Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 855

On April 28 2011 02:13 Jibba wrote:

His primary job is to win games. Somewhere down the list, maybe between 100-200, is to educate people on SotG.

On April 28 2011 02:28 Slusher wrote:
I liked this weeks episode, but I was really disappointed that they bashed the fake Street Fighter guy for IPL. I don't begrudge them their opinion, but I hope I'm not the only one who loves him lol.

On April 28 2011 02:41 RedusK wrote:


You miss my point. It would be in Tyler's best interest if people in the lower leagues understood how to stop 4 gate since then Blizzard may be less inclined to patch it and then he wouldn't have to redo all his builds. Obviously it's not as if in reality Tyler explaining this on sotg would make Blizzard not patch Warp Tech, but I'm just saying it was a bit of a missed opportunity.

I also don't think Tyler's "job" on sotg is to win games. He's not playing on sotg, he's talking. And I was personally wishing he'd elaborated further on those strats.

On April 28 2011 02:26 BlueLantern wrote:
I don't know why people were so close-minded about the whole concept of MVP thinking T is underpowered, especially on SOTG. The reinforcement aspect of Protoss and Zerg vs. Terran is worlds apart as Zerg is usually the quickest race in terms of being able to get an army to a spot quickly with speedlings, creep spread etc. and Protoss can generally warp in just about anywhere with a small investment in a pylon.

Does anyone think a change like increasing medivac speed to where it was before would make a difference? I don't remember if they had done something crazy like outrun mutalisks, but I would surmise that increasing the speed of the best tool T has for mobility with his army might cut down on the trouble players are having with map size.

On April 28 2011 02:44 Defacer wrote:


I think that both MVP and Gretorp have a point, in regards to the difficulty of reinforcing and relocating a Terran army, and the problem of having "over-specialized" units that require significant tech investments.

At the same time, Terran have the most risk-free, robust scouting capability and harass units, and the most cost-effective static defense in the game. It's hard for me to think of a real reason why Terrans would be unprepared, at least defensively.

In terms of scouting, they have a myriad of options, such as scans, cliff-jumping repears, cloaked banshees, cloaked ghosts, not to mention the occasional sacked marine. For detection, they have scans, missile turrets and ravens. And we haven't even gotten to sensor towers, which is like being able to build your own xel naga tower with better range.

There really is no reason why Terrans shouldn't know exactly what is happening on the map at all times. Even Zergs have to put their supply at risk by floating around overloads.

On April 28 2011 02:26 BlueLantern wrote:
I don't know why people were so close-minded about the whole concept of MVP thinking T is underpowered, especially on SOTG. The reinforcement aspect of Protoss and Zerg vs. Terran is worlds apart as Zerg is usually the quickest race in terms of being able to get an army to a spot quickly with speedlings, creep spread etc. and Protoss can generally warp in just about anywhere with a small investment in a pylon.

Does anyone think a change like increasing medivac speed to where it was before would make a difference? I don't remember if they had done something crazy like outrun mutalisks, but I would surmise that increasing the speed of the best tool T has for mobility with his army might cut down on the trouble players are having with map size.

On April 28 2011 02:44 Joementum wrote:


You realize those strategies you wish to elaborate are the strategies he'll be using in PvP to beat his opponent, right? You're basically saying, "I wish he would tell us and all his opponents the awesome new strats!" Just wait. You'll see them eventually.

On April 28 2011 02:50 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
All the hate directed at iNcontrol is just silly. He's obviously pouring his heart and soul into what he does, and people are hell-bent on finding something, anything, to trash him for.

I would like to request that posts in the SotG thread get a "hug Geoff" button in the style of Facebook's "like" buttons. I want these posts to all look like this:

On April 28 2011 02:11 RedusK wrote:
I was a little disappointed that Tyler didn't elaborate on what these builds that crush 4 gate are. He's saying that it's too bad that the patch is catering to the lower leagues unable to deal with 4 gate but then doesn't proceed to explain to these lower leagues what those anti-4 gate builds are.

Seems like a missed opportunity to me, he had a clear chance to improve the situation by explaining in detail to the thousands of lower leagues who listen to the show how to deal with it but then didn't.

I'm in high diamond and the only thing I personally see on ladder beating a well-executed 4 gate is another 4 gate that just takes advantage of being on the ramp and getting better arcs. I'm not saying an answer to that doesn't exist, just that I'd love to know what it is.

On April 28 2011 01:18 aderum wrote:
Listen to the MVP interview and then it makes sense why he think that terran is the weakest race. It's b/c the maps are so big (in GSL), so its ALOT harder to harass these days, which you have to do as Terran.

Note that this is not me whining, but i really think they missed to mentioned the real reason why he felt that it was UP.

On April 28 2011 02:44 ffdestiny wrote:



What.

Just now, HaterJackass362 wrote:
OMG, did you hear how inControl did one thing suboptimally during one of the fifty games he cast this week? NASL is such a fucking joke.

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On April 28 2011 02:55 Jayrod wrote:

He didn't elaborate on it because its a bunch of shit. Normally Tyler argues his points very cogently, but I have to say on this one he is being very narrow and simple-minded. The matchup is far too complicated for even some master's players to really understand and THAT is a problem for a company/balance team that has an interest in making their game fun and entertaining.

While I personally enjoy PvP and don't 4-gate, I'm not naive enough to ignore the fact that blizzard wants to promote some variety in a bland matchup. I also recognize that these so called "builds that crush 4-gate" are easy to scout and put you at disadvantage immediately in other, easy to recognize, areas. The few that can hold 4-gate that aren't extremely easy to scout, are not reliable enough to be standard.

I just think its expecting alot out of the community figure PvP out when people like Tyler who dedicate their lives to this game haven't even figured out how to beat one build the matchup in over a year.

Having said all that, I'm in agreement that it is stupid to fundamentally change the race to solve one problem that may be solvable through simpler means. Blizzard's complete reasoning is not exactly transparent on this one yet. The only reason I could think of for them changing 4-gate at a fundamental level would be so the strength of the build wouldn't be solely determined by maps (e.g. 4-gate or die on scrap station, but impossible to 4 gate on metalopolis... something like that).