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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:01 nGBeast wrote: Could someone summarize what happen to SOTG? I've been gone from SC2 for 6 or so months tt One day it was there ... one day it was gone. Seriously though. SotG was supposed to become sponsored and consistant. Instead of this it became less and less consistant, and just stopped being produced all together. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:01 nGBeast wrote: Could someone summarize what happen to SOTG? I've been gone from SC2 for 6 or so months tt It's gone and inoperative for reasons unknown. While it might come back at an undefined time in the future, currently there are no new shows. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:18 Plansix wrote: No, that would be unprofessional and everyone involved with no gain. In the end, it would most likely lead to there begin no SotG and then no one would get what they want. Business deals and contracts are private matters and the community really needs to accept that and just enjoy all the good stuff JP puts out for us. Truthfully, and it pains me to say this, but if there is no SotG, then I have very little reason to follow JP and his endeavors. I mean, I've been paying attention to his stream on the hope that there would be a SotG show but its pretty much exclusively him playing other games with some eSports interviews sprinkled in. Now granted, thats just my own opinion and I may very well be in the minority but if its not SC2 centric then my level of interest just isn't there... | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I don't think that's accurate. I don't think specifics need to be gone into, but if the show can't come back because of some combination of the hosts and their needs, that should be said. The current situation is terrible for JP and the SotG brand. He's beholden to that, IMO, more than he is to the reputations of his cohosts. You're probably right about them money, but another factors is that if a sponsor is going to be paying that amount of money they would probably also want guarantees that the show was going to run almost every week, that the show would be tasteful, and that almost all of the cast would be there every time. That way both sides get what they want. Also, I think the money might be the biggest issue. It would be hard for a brand to justify paying (probably) ~500 a show per pillar compared to the audience size because they don't know the actual full audience size. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:13 NoobSkills wrote: You're probably right about them money, but another factors is that if a sponsor is going to be paying that amount of money they would probably also want guarantees that the show was going to run almost every week, that the show would be tasteful, and that almost all of the cast would be there every time. That way both sides get what they want. Also, I think the money might be the biggest issue. It would be hard for a brand to justify paying (probably) ~500 a show per pillar compared to the audience size because they don't know the actual full audience size. They do know the audience size. They can track every form of it, livestream, Youtube and iTunes. But there's no way in a million years you could pay even CLOSE to that per pillar per show and not make a loss on SOTG. I'd need some major sponsorship support, which you're not going to get on a show that has that kind of audience. If each show costs $2,000 just to pay 4 pillars then the amount of views you need to make that work is far more than SOTG could ever get unless there was some major shift in the community. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: They do know the audience size. They can track every form of it, livestream, Youtube and iTunes. But there's no way in a million years you could pay even CLOSE to that per pillar per show and not make a loss on SOTG. I'd need some major sponsorship support, which you're not going to get on a show that has that kind of audience. If each show costs $2,000 just to pay 4 pillars then the amount of views you need to make that work is far more than SOTG could ever get unless there was some major shift in the community. I know of 2 places where a VOD is located that isn't recorded by JP as well as one MP3 site. I'm sure there are more out there as well. And you are right at that rate which was just a guess by the way the show probably wouldn't be profitable to a sponsor. Also, choosing pillars that align with a single sponsor must be hard. It can't be X if Y is a pillar so on and so forth. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:40 NoobSkills wrote: I know of 2 places where a VOD is located that isn't recorded by JP as well as one MP3 site. I'm sure there are more out there as well. And you are right at that rate which was just a guess by the way the show probably wouldn't be profitable to a sponsor. Also, choosing pillars that align with a single sponsor must be hard. It can't be X if Y is a pillar so on and so forth. If JP uploads VOD and MP3 in a timely matter (right after it ends live) then I don't see why any there is any need for 3rd party uploads. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: They do know the audience size. They can track every form of it, livestream, Youtube and iTunes. But there's no way in a million years you could pay even CLOSE to that per pillar per show and not make a loss on SOTG. I'd need some major sponsorship support, which you're not going to get on a show that has that kind of audience. If each show costs $2,000 just to pay 4 pillars then the amount of views you need to make that work is far more than SOTG could ever get unless there was some major shift in the community. I'm sure that is completely true. But at the same time I'm kind of sad if money is the thing that makes us not have these five community figures and Starcraft fans make this awesome Starcraft show for the rest of us Starcraft fans. I know that might be naive thinking when money is involved but that's how I feel nevertheless. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:45 Condor Hero wrote: If JP uploads VOD and MP3 in a timely matter (right after it ends live) then I don't see why any there is any need for 3rd party uploads. The issue is that all the uploading and podcast hosting servicer cost money and you get what you pay for. The other issue is that there is almost no way to make money off of a podcast without a direct sponsor. No one will pay for a podcast on a weekly basis and there is no way to advertise though Itunes for them. By offering a podcast, you are directly cutting into your views on youtube and twitch, which you can make money on. And then you need to pay the four pillars as well, which are not going to be cheap. I am far less valuable than any of the hosts and I still bill out at $105 an hour and my clients pay it without a second thought. My attorneys bill out at more that double that. Artosis alone can likely pull down at much hourly as the highest paid attorney in my firm. It is really hard to make a show like SotG and make it worth everyone’s time. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
That's as close as you'll ever get to JP saying that the hosts want money. What I don't understand is why Tyler would have no interest, because his lack of results/other events means is SOTG was his one opportunity to promote his brand and value to TL. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
(Look at the top rated comment on the reddit thread asking for sotg to come back. Current fans of sc2 losing interest like that is bad unless we have something to attract lots of replacement fans. Esports = hurt) So lets brainstorm possible solutions to save esports! 1) JP tries to find replacement pillars. Need people who are not boring but not big superstars so they are willing to do podcasts that give lots of publicity for free. Does anybody like that exist? 2) Sotg kickstarter!! Set the goal to be able to pay the pillars for 1 episode and it should be doable. (if you raise 5x that you do 5 episodes and so on) Make sure to come up with cool backer rewards. (only backers get to watch live would be interesting) 3) Day9 is now doing a show with people where they talk about dating while playing a dating sim. I assume the show must give massive benefit for it to be worth a superstar like day9's time. So dating show > starcraft show and maybe making sotg a similar type of dating show will be able to give the remaining pillars enough benefit to join up. A general gaming entertainment show should be able to get much more viewers than just a sc2 specific one after all. Then after attracting the massive dating show viewer base they talk about starcraft at the end and BOOM! lots of people have been tricked into becoming sc2 fans and esports is saved. The plan can't fail I suggest Sprung for the first episode. (I'm just joking about 3 although if they did replace Bill Graner, & Sean Bouchard on day9's dating show with sotg people I'd watch it. ) | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:11 matiK23 wrote: So this show ended because the pillars wanted money? What happened to meeting with a few friends and shooting the shit on stream? All about money now. #esports I guess. and on October 12, 2012, an unsubstantiated rumor was born. | ||
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iDrone
United States176 Posts
but it probably ended because of conflict of sponsorship, as they have the final say cause they pay the bills! sad day tho ; ( | ||
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HolyExlxF
United States256 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:02 Solarsail wrote: "[Artosis/Incontrol/Tyler] have no interest being on a Skype call with me, for now." - JP That's as close as you'll ever get to JP saying that the hosts want money. What I don't understand is why Tyler would have no interest, because his lack of results/other events means is SOTG was his one opportunity to promote his brand and value to TL. Can you post a source? Like a tweet or a time in a YouTube/Twitch stream VOD? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:11 matiK23 wrote: So this show ended because the pillars wanted money? What happened to meeting with a few friends and shooting the shit on stream? All about money now. #esports I guess. They all got to busy, traveling across the world every 2 or 3 weeks, one of them had a baby, others are getting married, moved so their wife can further her career. Life and a growing and more demanding professional career got in the way of "a few friends and shooting the shit on stream". That is what happens to free thing that people are not getting paid for, they end when people run out of time or become to busy. That is why most community events are sponsored, internet or otherwise. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:25 HolyExlxF wrote: Can you post a source? Like a tweet or a time in a YouTube/Twitch stream VOD? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11aupr/its_not_sotg_but_it_is_a_podcast/c6ku1br | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
What happened to the best gamers being one of us.. And doing these things because they loved the game and the community... | ||
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