I still don't get how something this small is creating this much drama. People are blowing this wayy outta proportion. I find it funny and quite frankly, you knew this was going to happen. Even before avilo was brought on idra was fully against it, yet the community is shocked to see how it turned out when they started to get into it. I really don't get how the minds of some people work, you just crave that drama so much when it happens, im sure u grab your popcorn and f5 the hell outta team liquid.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! !
I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining.
Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf?
JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok.
We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama.
This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great.
Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people.
Wait wtf?
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
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And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
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It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
what, on the laddeR? I sincerely hope you are not trying to say you are on beasty's level, especially when it comes to legit tourny play. Realistically, hed prob 80-20 you if you are lucky.
I'm assuming he means team tournaments. Stop being obnoxious. He of all people will know his record vs Beasty better than anyone else.
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
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And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
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It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
Yes? how do you not see some people could easily get offended by this? Not everyone is proud of who they were when they are younger.
If I go to my work place tomorrow and see a bunch of my coworkers laughing holding a picture of me when I was 13, and asked if this was me, would I have been offended? quite possibly, depending on how well I know those peers. If they were my friends, I'd laugh with them. If they were jackasses who constantly make jokes at someone expenses, i'd be furious
Ok but that wasn't happening... JP kept telling him to turn on his webcam and they were snickering because JP opened up the screamer link.
On June 30 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote: Maybe JP and InControl should just start a production company called Nerdfights. They can throw in condescending interviews with pornstars in as bonus material.
LOL now I want to play magic the gathering . . . I wish I could get that emotional about cards
Its set up, the guy is a massive troll, at least i think he is.
Yea this is set up, though I'd be lying if I said I hadn't seen something similar multiple times in my time playing Magic
On June 30 2012 05:00 Durp wrote: I started watching this weeks episode at the beginning, but had to leave prior to the IdrA/QXC debate they were hyping.
Seems Avilo came on and it might've gotten interesting, is it worth a watch?
The IdrA/QxC debate was pretty decent. You can probably skip the Avilo stuff though
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
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And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
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It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
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It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
Yes? how do you not see some people could easily get offended by this? Not everyone is proud of who they were when they are younger.
If I go to my work place tomorrow and see a bunch of my coworkers laughing holding a picture of me when I was 13, and asked if this was me, would I have been offended? quite possibly, depending on how well I know those peers. If they were my friends, I'd laugh with them. If they were jackasses who constantly make jokes at someone expenses, i'd be furious
Ok but that wasn't happening... JP kept telling him to turn on his webcam and they were snickering because JP opened up the screamer link.
sure, this could be what was happening, but that is not what is being percieved. Nobody knows what they are laughing at, and since Avilo was talking, people could've easily misunderstood, including Avilo himself.
Why are they not paying attention when their guest is talking anyway
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! !
I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining.
Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf?
JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok.
We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama.
This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great.
Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people.
Wait wtf?
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
What the hell is your context for speaking to me in the way you guys did? Because I have made forum posts on balance just like you guys have yourself, and everyone else on this forum? What did I ever do to you personally that justifies how you guys spoke to me and handled yourselves?
How is the community tunnel visioned? I confronted you about how you trash talk me/slander me and put a negative image of me on your show repeatedly, and you completely avoid it, but I let it go and was up for adding my two cents into the discussion.
Really? I "shit on everyone I talk to?" Off of what basis? Have you ever spoken to me? I think not, where the hell is your basis for continually portraying this terrible image of me. Did I kill your dog or something? Seriously...what?
I'm not martying anything. I came on the call to add to the discussion. Bring out the worst in people? You guys have always been like this, you've trashed my name (as well as countless others) for over a good year now, because of what - me simply posting my opinion on a forum? Lol? I am asking you now - stop it. I have nothing against you except the fact you incessantly do this. Random people have msg'd me over the months saying, "hey they are trash talking you again on sotg" or whatever and im like "oh great again! how nice"
So please, seriously, stop. I haven't "earned" jack shit in terms of your disrespect and continued an incessant negativity towards me. If you're honestly saying because I have posted my opinion on TL that you don't agree with and that entitles you to continue to belittle me and be just plain disrespectful, and continue this hate bandwagon you started on me ages ago...I don't know what to say to that.
Guess what? HOTS beta is coming around, people are going to have opinions on that as well, I will make mine known to give the best feedback possible to developers. That won't give you the right to insult me or anyone else in this community just for having their opinion that is not the same as yours. You have a position as a "pillar" in this community, and you flat out abuse it. I don't want to be a part of your old gentlemen's club, and if I ever were in such a position I sure as hell wouldn't waste the opportunity belittling other players in the community, insulting them, having no respect and then try to justify it as "it's fine because he balance whined 2 yrs ago in some random post in some random thread - so it's ok to just slander/trash talk this guy!"
Once again, I don't even know you personally nor have I interacted with you yet you keep some personal ego grudge/vendetta going that I have no honest clue about. I'm a "shithead?" Really?
On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote: Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote
You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game.
No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now.
Really? Again? "Horrible at the game?" You don't know me either geoff, yet you spew quite a bit of bullshit out about me regularly with no regard to the effects/hate bandwagon it perpetuates against me for no reason. It's just "funny" right?
I agreed to be on the call, I expected some respectful and nice conversation instead of what happened. Obviously my expectations were way too high.
So yeh, I'm pretty sure 99% of the people bitching probably do have a clue. They probably have a lot of decency as well. Ironically, I have no desire to "shit on everyone i talk to," either - that's more your area of expertise.
In the end, myself and other Terrans got what we wanted from this though, which was for a knowledgeable Terran to give his perspective and discuss the TvZ issues/match-up/state of the game right now post queen-buff.
I'm confused by a lot of what you say, it's very contradicting and you keep trying to make yourself look like the victim.
Why did you make little snipes about you percieving that Idra thinks he's superior to the community? I found that immature when you should of just came on to discuss balance. Which you didn't, you selectivly took points from IdrA's counter argument and then said he's agreeing with you, you then interupted him, you also tried to call Incontrol out on something earlier on when you just came on to "discuss balance".
And no it's not just because you make balance posts every now and then, it's because you make incorrect balance posts literally for 2 years. What did you believe you could add to the Terran is underpowered argument that QXC already couldn't?
On June 30 2012 03:01 R3DT1D3 wrote: Watching the vod again this is pretty much how it breaks down from an objective perspective:
1) Avilo comes on and immediately tries to call Geoff out and Geoff tries to keep him on track with the TvZ debate. Avilo was trying to use this platform to try and get back at Geoff which is already starting off the wrong way. Whether you agree with Avilo or not, this is not the time to try and argue with Geoff.
2) Avilo and Idra start putting their arguments forth and it's going fairly smoothly.
3) During Idra's first response, Avilo interrupts him without letting him finish and then acts all snide about Luckyfool's blog and how they haven't read it.
4) More arguments are traded more or less with QXC stepping in to clarify a few points.
5) Idra makes the argument about Terran needing to be greedy enough that they have the economy to put down make the tech switch to keep up with zerg and again Avilo clearly interrupts. Avilo gets told to STFU and then he tries to jump back in. This is the 2nd time he's interrupted and he keeps pushing after Idra is clearly being irritated at his interruptions.
6) Avilo tries to twist Idra's words and say that Idra agrees with him when it's obvious that he does not. Idra gets tired of this, calls him out for being bad, and then finishes his point.
7) Avilo jumps back in pretending he's offended that Idra took "cheap shots" at him (while he was intentionally misconstruing Idra's arguments and has interrupted him multiple times) and tries to propose that his argument is what Idra said.
8) Idra tells him that isn't what he said and says he's done discussing this with Avilo.
9) JP cuts Avilo off as Avilo tries to reiterate what he thinks Idra said.
If Avilo wanted to be respected and heard out, he went about it in the wrong way. He knows how Idra is and he was riling him up on purpose. JP cut him off when he realized this wasn't going to go anywhere. That's all there is to this.
LOL please refer to the dictionary definition of objective, bud. That post was about as opinionated against avilo as it could possibly have been. Using the term "calling put" to describe idra's personal attack on avilo just takes the cake. You just interpreted a personal insult as an observation of truth LOL. I trust you're intelligent enough to know why that isn't objective.
You need to look some things up in the dictionary if you think "calling out" is a statement of fact. Calling out is just the same thing as drawing attention to something which is exactly what Idra did. Whether you think he is bad or not that's what happened. I merely chronicled what happened during the time the time Avilo was on skype. Those things objectively happened and I didn't leave any major events out. If you think I'm so biased against Avilo, you haven't rewatched the VOD. The only part I started to editorialize was his feigned offense at the "cheap shots." That part was mostly just common sense.
And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
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It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up.
On June 30 2012 04:21 Dandel Ion wrote: [quote] It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up.
how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that berates you all the time showing an embarassing photo of you?
context, the people involved, and content of said interactions and the photos make a huge differences. Where the photo came from is relevant yes, but not so much in this case.
what, on the laddeR? I sincerely hope you are not trying to say you are on beasty's level, especially when it comes to legit tourny play. Realistically, hed prob 80-20 you if you are lucky.
I'm assuming he means team tournaments. Stop being obnoxious. He of all people will know his record vs Beasty better than anyone else.
uhh the guy said he would 100-0 me.. I felt obligated to point out he can't / didn't. I then immediately felt foolish for speaking to a fucking idiot and giving him the time of day. Beasty is a great player.. you guys think I am trash. It's fine, thankfully what most of the haters think isn't actually true and is far from the truth. It only becomes 1/10th real when I give them a reply.. need to remember to ignore the children.
On June 30 2012 04:40 iky43210 wrote: [quote] If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up.
how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you?
You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other.
Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc.
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
What the hell is your context for speaking to me in the way you guys did? Because I have made forum posts on balance just like you guys have yourself, and everyone else on this forum? What did I ever do to you personally that justifies how you guys spoke to me and handled yourselves?
How is the community tunnel visioned? I confronted you about how you trash talk me/slander me and put a negative image of me on your show repeatedly, and you completely avoid it, but I let it go and was up for adding my two cents into the discussion.
Really? I "shit on everyone I talk to?" Off of what basis? Have you ever spoken to me? I think not, where the hell is your basis for continually portraying this terrible image of me. Did I kill your dog or something? Seriously...what?
I'm not martying anything. I came on the call to add to the discussion. Bring out the worst in people? You guys have always been like this, you've trashed my name (as well as countless others) for over a good year now, because of what - me simply posting my opinion on a forum? Lol? I am asking you now - stop it. I have nothing against you except the fact you incessantly do this. Random people have msg'd me over the months saying, "hey they are trash talking you again on sotg" or whatever and im like "oh great again! how nice"
So please, seriously, stop. I haven't "earned" jack shit in terms of your disrespect and continued an incessant negativity towards me. If you're honestly saying because I have posted my opinion on TL that you don't agree with and that entitles you to continue to belittle me and be just plain disrespectful, and continue this hate bandwagon you started on me ages ago...I don't know what to say to that.
Guess what? HOTS beta is coming around, people are going to have opinions on that as well, I will make mine known to give the best feedback possible to developers. That won't give you the right to insult me or anyone else in this community just for having their opinion that is not the same as yours. You have a position as a "pillar" in this community, and you flat out abuse it. I don't want to be a part of your old gentlemen's club, and if I ever were in such a position I sure as hell wouldn't waste the opportunity belittling other players in the community, insulting them, having no respect and then try to justify it as "it's fine because he balance whined 2 yrs ago in some random post in some random thread - so it's ok to just slander/trash talk this guy!"
Once again, I don't even know you personally nor have I interacted with you yet you keep some personal ego grudge/vendetta going that I have no honest clue about. I'm a "shithead?" Really?
On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote: Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote
You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game.
No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now.
Really? Again? "Horrible at the game?" You don't know me either geoff, yet you spew quite a bit of bullshit out about me regularly with no regard to the effects/hate bandwagon it perpetuates against me for no reason. It's just "funny" right?
I agreed to be on the call, I expected some respectful and nice conversation instead of what happened. Obviously my expectations were way too high.
So yeh, I'm pretty sure 99% of the people bitching probably do have a clue. They probably have a lot of decency as well. Ironically, I have no desire to "shit on everyone i talk to," either - that's more your area of expertise.
In the end, myself and other Terrans got what we wanted from this though, which was for a knowledgeable Terran to give his perspective and discuss the TvZ issues/match-up/state of the game right now post queen-buff.
This is an educated post; aticulate and accurate and one that confirms your integrity.
Frankly, I'm amazed at how well you restrained yourself under the circumstances. You can be proud that you conducted yourself maturely, both on SOTG and in your comments here, and rose above your haters. GG
On June 30 2012 04:40 iky43210 wrote: [quote] If I were JP, I wouldn't have posted someone the show belittles when he was 13 years old. That's quite disrespectful, especially to someone he doesn't know.
Better idea would be to not post any picture at all, or grab one from the LgN site or his fanclub
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up.
how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you?
So now a childhood photo is suddenly embarrassing? By the way, that picture is the first thing that pops up because IT'S FEATURED IN A FUCKING INTERVIEW WITH AVILO. If he found the damn picture embarrassing, it would not be on the internet because it wouldn't be featured in that interview. The uninformed indignant trolls on this forum seriously need to go away...
He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings.
It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24
No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious?
I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now.
So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it.
By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head?
"or if I don't know they are joking or not"
JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy.
Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook.
So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman.
because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep
How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up.
how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you?
You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other.
Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc.
He just likes argueing for the sake of it, espically when its agaisnt EG.
After that call last night, and the disrespect from you i continually put up with...you are going on and on to slander me more?? @_@
You guys were being immature to be completely blunt, try and justify it however you want. I was taken aback myself a bit when I got on the call and you're snickering in the background and JP is putting up an "interesting picture" of me to try to have a good ol laugh and make me look worse - and that was before I even really said anything.
What the hell is your context for speaking to me in the way you guys did? Because I have made forum posts on balance just like you guys have yourself, and everyone else on this forum? What did I ever do to you personally that justifies how you guys spoke to me and handled yourselves?
How is the community tunnel visioned? I confronted you about how you trash talk me/slander me and put a negative image of me on your show repeatedly, and you completely avoid it, but I let it go and was up for adding my two cents into the discussion.
Really? I "shit on everyone I talk to?" Off of what basis? Have you ever spoken to me? I think not, where the hell is your basis for continually portraying this terrible image of me. Did I kill your dog or something? Seriously...what?
I'm not martying anything. I came on the call to add to the discussion. Bring out the worst in people? You guys have always been like this, you've trashed my name (as well as countless others) for over a good year now, because of what - me simply posting my opinion on a forum? Lol? I am asking you now - stop it. I have nothing against you except the fact you incessantly do this. Random people have msg'd me over the months saying, "hey they are trash talking you again on sotg" or whatever and im like "oh great again! how nice"
So please, seriously, stop. I haven't "earned" jack shit in terms of your disrespect and continued an incessant negativity towards me. If you're honestly saying because I have posted my opinion on TL that you don't agree with and that entitles you to continue to belittle me and be just plain disrespectful, and continue this hate bandwagon you started on me ages ago...I don't know what to say to that.
Guess what? HOTS beta is coming around, people are going to have opinions on that as well, I will make mine known to give the best feedback possible to developers. That won't give you the right to insult me or anyone else in this community just for having their opinion that is not the same as yours. You have a position as a "pillar" in this community, and you flat out abuse it. I don't want to be a part of your old gentlemen's club, and if I ever were in such a position I sure as hell wouldn't waste the opportunity belittling other players in the community, insulting them, having no respect and then try to justify it as "it's fine because he balance whined 2 yrs ago in some random post in some random thread - so it's ok to just slander/trash talk this guy!"
Once again, I don't even know you personally nor have I interacted with you yet you keep some personal ego grudge/vendetta going that I have no honest clue about. I'm a "shithead?" Really?
On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:
On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote: Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote
You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game.
No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now.
Really? Again? "Horrible at the game?" You don't know me either geoff, yet you spew quite a bit of bullshit out about me regularly with no regard to the effects/hate bandwagon it perpetuates against me for no reason. It's just "funny" right?
I agreed to be on the call, I expected some respectful and nice conversation instead of what happened. Obviously my expectations were way too high.
So yeh, I'm pretty sure 99% of the people bitching probably do have a clue. They probably have a lot of decency as well. Ironically, I have no desire to "shit on everyone i talk to," either - that's more your area of expertise.
In the end, myself and other Terrans got what we wanted from this though, which was for a knowledgeable Terran to give his perspective and discuss the TvZ issues/match-up/state of the game right now post queen-buff.
This is an educated post; aticulate and accurate and one that confirms your integrity.
Frankly, I'm amazed at how well you restrained yourself under the circumstances. You can be proud that you conducted yourself maturely, both on SOTG and in your comments here, and rose above your haters. GG
On June 30 2012 03:01 R3DT1D3 wrote: Watching the vod again this is pretty much how it breaks down from an objective perspective:
1) Avilo comes on and immediately tries to call Geoff out and Geoff tries to keep him on track with the TvZ debate. Avilo was trying to use this platform to try and get back at Geoff which is already starting off the wrong way. Whether you agree with Avilo or not, this is not the time to try and argue with Geoff.
2) Avilo and Idra start putting their arguments forth and it's going fairly smoothly.
3) During Idra's first response, Avilo interrupts him without letting him finish and then acts all snide about Luckyfool's blog and how they haven't read it.
4) More arguments are traded more or less with QXC stepping in to clarify a few points.
5) Idra makes the argument about Terran needing to be greedy enough that they have the economy to put down make the tech switch to keep up with zerg and again Avilo clearly interrupts. Avilo gets told to STFU and then he tries to jump back in. This is the 2nd time he's interrupted and he keeps pushing after Idra is clearly being irritated at his interruptions.
6) Avilo tries to twist Idra's words and say that Idra agrees with him when it's obvious that he does not. Idra gets tired of this, calls him out for being bad, and then finishes his point.
7) Avilo jumps back in pretending he's offended that Idra took "cheap shots" at him (while he was intentionally misconstruing Idra's arguments and has interrupted him multiple times) and tries to propose that his argument is what Idra said.
8) Idra tells him that isn't what he said and says he's done discussing this with Avilo.
9) JP cuts Avilo off as Avilo tries to reiterate what he thinks Idra said.
If Avilo wanted to be respected and heard out, he went about it in the wrong way. He knows how Idra is and he was riling him up on purpose. JP cut him off when he realized this wasn't going to go anywhere. That's all there is to this.
LOL please refer to the dictionary definition of objective, bud. That post was about as opinionated against avilo as it could possibly have been. Using the term "calling put" to describe idra's personal attack on avilo just takes the cake. You just interpreted a personal insult as an observation of truth LOL. I trust you're intelligent enough to know why that isn't objective.
You need to look some things up in the dictionary if you think "calling out" is a statement of fact. Calling out is just the same thing as drawing attention to something which is exactly what Idra did. Whether you think he is bad or not that's what happened. I merely chronicled what happened during the time the time Avilo was on skype. Those things objectively happened and I didn't leave any major events out. If you think I'm so biased against Avilo, you haven't rewatched the VOD. The only part I started to editorialize was his feigned offense at the "cheap shots." That part was mostly just common sense.
its not hard to spot the bias parts in your posts dude, even if you think you're being objective
In the end, myself and other Terrans got what we wanted from this though, which was for a knowledgeable Terran to give his perspective and discuss the TvZ issues/match-up/state of the game right now post queen-buff.
More like a clueless terran giving a very bias depiction of the "problem", which was explained in such general terms that nothing of importance could be extracted from the discussion. ie. "queen range lets zerg get free 80 drones"
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