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On June 30 2012 05:10 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:08 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 05:06 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 05:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:58 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 04:53 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:52 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:47 iky43210 wrote:
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It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24 No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT. Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious? I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now. So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it. By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head? "or if I don't know they are joking or not" JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy. Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook. So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman. because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up. how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you? You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other. Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc. He just likes argueing for the sake of it, espically when its agaisnt EG.
The irony of you circlejerking and throwing out baseless accusation is just too much
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On June 30 2012 05:09 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:06 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 05:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:58 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 04:53 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:52 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:47 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:44 PanN wrote:
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He didn't even know it was him, and you're not really that bright if you think JP did it intentionally to hurt someones feelings. It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24 No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT. Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious? I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now. So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it. By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head? "or if I don't know they are joking or not" JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy. Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook. So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman. because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up. how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you? So now a childhood photo is suddenly embarrassing? By the way, that picture is the first thing that pops up because IT'S FEATURED IN A FUCKING INTERVIEW WITH AVILO. If he found the damn picture embarrassing, it would not be on the internet because it wouldn't be featured in that interview. The uninformed indignant trolls on this forum seriously need to go away...
again, context. childhood photo could easily be the embarassing factor if someone choses to use it to harm you
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On June 30 2012 05:13 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:10 Reaps wrote:On June 30 2012 05:08 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 05:06 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 05:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:58 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 04:53 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:52 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 PanN wrote:
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No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT.
Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious? I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now. So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it. By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head? "or if I don't know they are joking or not" JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy. Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook. So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman. because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up. how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you? You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other. Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc. He just likes argueing for the sake of it, espically when its agaisnt EG. The irony of you circlejerking and throwing out baseless accusation is just too much
Baseless? only need to read some of your posts to know its a fact and not baseless. Stop getting angry just because you are wrong.
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On June 30 2012 04:14 Chicane wrote:
And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition.
You know I gave JP a pass on that last night, but then I thought to try it myself and yes the pic used is the first you find but here is the second:
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/6/64/Avilopic.png)
And don't try the "they tease everyone like that" argument because that doesn't work for people you've been trashing. You get to do something like that AFTER you've shown some respect to the individual.
If you think that is terrible treatment (especially as the center of attention on the internet) then you have to grow much thicker skin. It is the unfortunate reality.
Thicker skin, huh? good advice, unless you're IdrA in which case you rage since you're IdrA and it's okay because STFU.
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On June 30 2012 05:15 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:13 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:10 Reaps wrote:On June 30 2012 05:08 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 05:06 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 05:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:58 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 04:53 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:52 iky43210 wrote:
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I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now. So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it. By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head? "or if I don't know they are joking or not" JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy. Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook. So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman. because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up. how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you? You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other. Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc. He just likes argueing for the sake of it, espically when its agaisnt EG. The irony of you circlejerking and throwing out baseless accusation is just too much Baseless? only need to read some of your posts to know its a fact and not baseless. Stop getting angry just because you are wrong.
calling your ad-hominem facts and then proceed to tell me how wrong I am without any rebuttal of your own just make you look so convincing and articulate
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Incontrol is the heart of the problem.
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On June 30 2012 04:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's actually the ONLY picture of him within the first few pages of google. Not much JP could've done there...
Yeah, I just proved that wrong. But since I like variety, search avilo using that box in the top right corner of this page and see how many clicks it takes you to get to
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1644.jpg)
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Just wow. Grow Up. Some kid clearly came on an started attacking InControl and IdrA(if you see it otherwise you are silly) (I'm also going to continue to call Avilo kid because you have to actually do something meaningful to warrant respect professionals) and IdrA told him to shut the fuck up... are we really that sensitive and pink as a society nowadays that we cant even tell someone to Shut the fuck up anymore? Just wow
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Avilo must have really gotten incontrol and IdrA worked up at some point in the past because it's kind of odd how often they mention him on ITG and SOTG. Is it just because they think his balance complaints are annoying?
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On June 30 2012 05:15 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:14 Chicane wrote:
And it has already been said many times that the picture JP put up is the first one that comes up in google. You are just doing your best to look for ammunition. You know I gave JP a pass on that last night, but then I thought to try it myself and yes the pic used is the first you find but here is the second: And don't try the "they tease everyone like that" argument because that doesn't work for people you've been trashing. You get to do something like that AFTER you've shown some respect to the individual. Show nested quote +If you think that is terrible treatment (especially as the center of attention on the internet) then you have to grow much thicker skin. It is the unfortunate reality. Thicker skin, huh? good advice, unless you're IdrA in which case you rage since you're IdrA and it's okay because STFU.
That's actually the 6th picture and easily overlooked. Especially if you're just trying to find a quick picture because someone refuses to turn on his webcam.
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Why the hell are we arguing about which picture they used... when for the longest time they had a freaking bouncing fat cat for incontrol?
Just drop it already.
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On June 30 2012 05:19 Doodsmack wrote:
Avilo must have really gotten incontrol and IdrA worked up at some point in the past because it's kind of odd how often they mention him on ITG and SOTG. Is it just because they think his balance complaints are annoying?
That would be funny coming from IdrA.
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On June 30 2012 05:18 Mellowman wrote:
Incontrol is the heart of the problem.
people like you with 20 posts making drama for no reason are the heart of the problem
User was warned for this post
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On June 30 2012 05:11 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:04 R3DT1D3 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:On June 30 2012 03:01 R3DT1D3 wrote:
Watching the vod again this is pretty much how it breaks down from an objective perspective:
1) Avilo comes on and immediately tries to call Geoff out and Geoff tries to keep him on track with the TvZ debate. Avilo was trying to use this platform to try and get back at Geoff which is already starting off the wrong way. Whether you agree with Avilo or not, this is not the time to try and argue with Geoff.
2) Avilo and Idra start putting their arguments forth and it's going fairly smoothly.
3) During Idra's first response, Avilo interrupts him without letting him finish and then acts all snide about Luckyfool's blog and how they haven't read it.
4) More arguments are traded more or less with QXC stepping in to clarify a few points.
5) Idra makes the argument about Terran needing to be greedy enough that they have the economy to put down make the tech switch to keep up with zerg and again Avilo clearly interrupts. Avilo gets told to STFU and then he tries to jump back in. This is the 2nd time he's interrupted and he keeps pushing after Idra is clearly being irritated at his interruptions.
6) Avilo tries to twist Idra's words and say that Idra agrees with him when it's obvious that he does not. Idra gets tired of this, calls him out for being bad, and then finishes his point.
7) Avilo jumps back in pretending he's offended that Idra took "cheap shots" at him (while he was intentionally misconstruing Idra's arguments and has interrupted him multiple times) and tries to propose that his argument is what Idra said.
8) Idra tells him that isn't what he said and says he's done discussing this with Avilo.
9) JP cuts Avilo off as Avilo tries to reiterate what he thinks Idra said.
If Avilo wanted to be respected and heard out, he went about it in the wrong way. He knows how Idra is and he was riling him up on purpose. JP cut him off when he realized this wasn't going to go anywhere. That's all there is to this. LOL please refer to the dictionary definition of objective, bud. That post was about as opinionated against avilo as it could possibly have been. Using the term "calling put" to describe idra's personal attack on avilo just takes the cake. You just interpreted a personal insult as an observation of truth LOL. I trust you're intelligent enough to know why that isn't objective. You need to look some things up in the dictionary if you think "calling out" is a statement of fact. Calling out is just the same thing as drawing attention to something which is exactly what Idra did. Whether you think he is bad or not that's what happened. I merely chronicled what happened during the time the time Avilo was on skype. Those things objectively happened and I didn't leave any major events out. If you think I'm so biased against Avilo, you haven't rewatched the VOD. The only part I started to editorialize was his feigned offense at the "cheap shots." That part was mostly just common sense. its not hard to spot the bias parts in your posts dude, even if you think you're being objective
If it's not hard then point them out. Anyone can just SAY someone else is biased but actually telling me where you disagree that it's objective (other than the part I already pointed out) means something.
I AM BEING SUBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW------> You're too busy defending someone who interrupted his opponent multiple times, purposefully misconstrued the argument, and was generally hostile while Idra remained calm up until the last minute or so to actually do this.
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On June 30 2012 05:10 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:08 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 05:06 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 05:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:58 Dosey wrote:On June 30 2012 04:53 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:52 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 PanN wrote:On June 30 2012 04:47 iky43210 wrote:
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It doesn't matter whether JP did it intentionally or not, it is what's being percieved. Most people don't know the context behind the photo, but its doesn't take much to see that photo is not correctly portraying someone who's 24 No, its what YOU are perceiving. If I was avilo, got brought on, and they used an older picture of me and even asked "Hey is this you?" I certainly wouldn't be offended because I'm an ADULT. Are you honestly saying that if you got brought on, they said "hey we couldnt find a photo of you and just googled it and got this one, is it even you?" as they show a younger picture of you, are you honestly going to be offended? Are you fucking serious? I don't see how being an adult has anything to do with your scenario or not being offended. I am quite sure most of us would've been offended in that situation. I wouldn't appreciate anyone that I don't know (or if I don't know they are joking or not) to use a younger photo of me to represent who I am now. So you'd be offended of people using a photo of you because the photo is old? Grow the hell up, theres nothing else I can tell you. If you want to be one of those people that are offended by everything in life and angry all the time, then so be it. By the way how the hell are you not getting this fact through your head? "or if I don't know they are joking or not" JP asked if its him! JP asked him to use his webcam! There was no malicious intent here buddy. Yeah, I tend to punch my mother in the face every time she tags me in a childhood photo on facebook. So belittling and disrespectful of her to do that. Stupid woman. because those are the same scenarios right? it would be more akin to your ex-girlfriend posting an embarassing picture of you when you were asleep How so? Because you want to believe it to be like that? The picture is public. It's the first thing on google when you search his name for crying out loud. It's not like JP hacked the boys cell phone to find the most demeaning picture and put it up. how so what? you don't think there is a difference between your mother showing an embarassing photo of you vs some kid that bullies you showing an embarassing photo of you? You see what being offended over needless things does for you? You start arguing on the Internet about which hypothetical scenario is more offensive than the other. Why? Why do you care? Jp was never trying to be malicious with that photo. Why are you trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill? etcetc. He just likes argueing for the sake of it, espically when its agaisnt EG.
I was reading this thread like 2 hours ago watching this guy post over and over and over in response to everything everyone else posted. Now I come back to find out that he's still doing it. He must be bored.
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On June 30 2012 04:49 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:48 dvorakftw wrote:
IdrA admits Terrans cannot effectively punish greedy Zergs. He admits that in Korea his offered solution of matching greed has already resulted in Terran loses to two base (not actual) all-ins.
For the love of god, that is not what Idra said or admitted to. Just because you want to twist his words just like Avilo did does not make either of you correct.
Do you need a transcript or should I draw you a picture? Are you going to deny IdrA said the Terran safe build is 3CC and they should (in most cases) wait for the Zerg super army? Are you denying that IdrA said in Korea the metagame has already passed 3CC Terrans because Zergs just bust that and win?
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On June 30 2012 05:20 Falling wrote:
Why the hell are we arguing about which picture they used... when for the longest time they had a freaking bouncing fat cat for incontrol?
Just drop it already.
I actually found that highly disrespectful to EG. The implication that they are a company of fat cats is just. . .well, I find it disgusting.
Hopefully JP gets the sack from MLG for his devious cruelty.
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On June 30 2012 04:43 NrG.ZaM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:35 Gobe wrote:On June 28 2012 14:48 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 12:43 Gobe wrote:
Where can I find the MP3s for the 2010 shows? http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.comAnd go waaay back. That's the thing though, I go back all the way, and it says I can only play them with the blip player, then I go on Blip and it says it can't run audio only. Just right click and save it.
Didn't work. I'm completely computer illiterate though so I am probably doing something wrong.
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On June 30 2012 05:21 R3DT1D3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:11 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 05:04 R3DT1D3 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:On June 30 2012 03:01 R3DT1D3 wrote:
Watching the vod again this is pretty much how it breaks down from an objective perspective:
1) Avilo comes on and immediately tries to call Geoff out and Geoff tries to keep him on track with the TvZ debate. Avilo was trying to use this platform to try and get back at Geoff which is already starting off the wrong way. Whether you agree with Avilo or not, this is not the time to try and argue with Geoff.
2) Avilo and Idra start putting their arguments forth and it's going fairly smoothly.
3) During Idra's first response, Avilo interrupts him without letting him finish and then acts all snide about Luckyfool's blog and how they haven't read it.
4) More arguments are traded more or less with QXC stepping in to clarify a few points.
5) Idra makes the argument about Terran needing to be greedy enough that they have the economy to put down make the tech switch to keep up with zerg and again Avilo clearly interrupts. Avilo gets told to STFU and then he tries to jump back in. This is the 2nd time he's interrupted and he keeps pushing after Idra is clearly being irritated at his interruptions.
6) Avilo tries to twist Idra's words and say that Idra agrees with him when it's obvious that he does not. Idra gets tired of this, calls him out for being bad, and then finishes his point.
7) Avilo jumps back in pretending he's offended that Idra took "cheap shots" at him (while he was intentionally misconstruing Idra's arguments and has interrupted him multiple times) and tries to propose that his argument is what Idra said.
8) Idra tells him that isn't what he said and says he's done discussing this with Avilo.
9) JP cuts Avilo off as Avilo tries to reiterate what he thinks Idra said.
If Avilo wanted to be respected and heard out, he went about it in the wrong way. He knows how Idra is and he was riling him up on purpose. JP cut him off when he realized this wasn't going to go anywhere. That's all there is to this. LOL please refer to the dictionary definition of objective, bud. That post was about as opinionated against avilo as it could possibly have been. Using the term "calling put" to describe idra's personal attack on avilo just takes the cake. You just interpreted a personal insult as an observation of truth LOL. I trust you're intelligent enough to know why that isn't objective. You need to look some things up in the dictionary if you think "calling out" is a statement of fact. Calling out is just the same thing as drawing attention to something which is exactly what Idra did. Whether you think he is bad or not that's what happened. I merely chronicled what happened during the time the time Avilo was on skype. Those things objectively happened and I didn't leave any major events out. If you think I'm so biased against Avilo, you haven't rewatched the VOD. The only part I started to editorialize was his feigned offense at the "cheap shots." That part was mostly just common sense. its not hard to spot the bias parts in your posts dude, even if you think you're being objective If it's not hard then point them out. Anyone can just SAY someone else is biased but actually telling me where you disagree that it's objective (other than the part I already pointed out) means something. I AM BEING SUBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW------> You're too busy defending someone who interrupted his opponent multiple times, purposefully misconstrued the argument, and was generally hostile while Idra remained calm up until the last minute or so to actual do this.
I bolded a couple. Note that you completely missed alot of details where idra and incontrol also interrupted him. In fact, both sides interrupt each other quite a couple times
if you want to be objective on giving out contexts, better to leave out most personal interpretation.
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On June 30 2012 05:21 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:18 Mellowman wrote:
Incontrol is the heart of the problem. people like you with 20 posts making drama for no reason are the heart of the problem
Just saying what I honestly feel, feels bad to have my post number used as a factor to judge me with
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