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megid
Brazil142 Posts
Rly. People who are talking about balance are not top players, so why will i consider it? When someone makes a thread on TL talking anything about balance, people asks about his league or results. So, i don't have to give any credit for this guys, bring some GSL champion to talk about something this guys don't know, SC2. | ||
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[Silverflame]
Germany640 Posts
The only thing that really bothers me is that people always want stuff to happen which could potentially be a danger for the balanced atmosphere and when it is over they debate on wether or not someone is a bad person or a good person. I just dont know why this is fun, but it apparently is for many many human beings... as this behavior does not only apply to this issue, but can be found all around the globe in any case. Humanity I guess... just deal with it^^ | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:19 hifriend wrote: lol the chat, really? if jp did half the shit chat suggests he'd be in jail Imagine a world in which every person is just a puppet in the hand of the twitch.tv live chat puppet masters. Crazy. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:10 Roggay wrote: Yes it is Nu-ny, however the artosis way of saying it is really sticking to him, and I suppose that Tyler doesnt really care anymore, its a lost cause to try and undo what artosis did. Always thought it should be Nony though, think about how you pronounce Sony, and Soony or Noony. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On June 30 2012 00:40 SheaR619 wrote: You are exaggerating. Just listen to the show again, carefully.They cut him off at the end without even giving him a chance to say good bye. Of course the conversation was getting heated but atleast JP could of said sorry avilo your time is up or something. They invited him to the show and made him look like an idoit. He brought up some key stuff too and even QxC was arguing and symphasizing with him as a terran player. Idra just seems to not care much bout avilo opinion. Weither it right or wrong, someone who is invited to the show should be treated like a guest and not treated so poorly otherwise dont invite them to the show at all honestly. Yes, if one listens not very carefully, it seems like "blah-blah-blah... OMG Idra rage, Avilo dropped from show... what is this, pitchforks..."; but in the flow of the conversation it made sense. It was Avilo who was responsible for it. Essentially, their conversation with Idra at this point was over, it was going to go in a circular motion. Avilo started interrupting Idra; Idra said he's done and would not talk to Avilo anymore - so JP dropped him from the call, since Avilo was still trying to talk over Idra etc. It was okay. People make a big fuss of it, probably because they didn't pay attention. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:15 Bellygareth wrote: Am I the only one to think it's not a big deal? I fail to see why the community should care. It can even be summed up in 3 small phrases: - The chat set up a trap. JP took the bait. People feign to be offended cause there was not enough drama going on... Nope. You are not alone. I don't think "ITS A TRAP!". Conspiracy theories lol | ||
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
On 6-30-2012 MichaelDonovan Wrote: Just because you didn't understand the conversation, that doesn't mean IdrA rolled over any points. That conversation was fine. Qxc would agree, I think. Stop creating drama where it doesn't exist. Every time QXC made a point Idra countered it in a way that forced QXC to agree with him. Example: Qxc said that now hellions were not good because queens could stop them. Idra said: "just run your hellions around the queens" and QXC said "oh good point". Does Idra honestly think that no terran has tried this before? Then QXC said "then there are speedlings at the ramp" to which Idra responds "no there arent". Once again, QXC just says good point and they leave the issue alone. Qxc plays terran here, not Idra. QXC shouldnt have to just blindly agree with everything Idra says. | ||
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:16 submarine wrote: Yeah Idra really dropped some real knowledge bombs: -Suicide hellions -stay even with zerg macro -heavy cost efficient MMM trading into mass expand -build 4 starports -build ravens -build ghosts You can read these tips at any random site of the recently closed thread about the queen range. You don't need to be a pro gamer to come up with this. I think the real tragedy in all of this is that the childish disrespect for avilo has covered up the fact that IdrA actually admitted the matchup is broke. Aside from straight out saying it, he also acknowledges it with several other points such as saying don't bother trying to stop creep because you can't and just let zerg get its super army and deal with it. Have a few ravens hanging around early building up energy and build starports you won't actually use right away just so you'll be ready to get 20 vikings when the BroodLords show up and let's not talk about what happens when you're left with half of them and the next wave of Zerg lings, roaches, and/or ultras show up. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining. Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf? JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok. We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama. This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great. Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:35 Inquisitor1323 wrote: Every time QXC made a point Idra countered it in a way that forced QXC to agree with him. Example: Qxc said that now hellions were not good because queens could stop them. Idra said: "just run your hellions around the queens" and QXC said "oh good point". Does Idra honestly think that no terran has tried this before? Then QXC said "then there are speedlings at the ramp" to which Idra responds "no there arent". Once again, QXC just says good point and they leave the issue alone. Qxc plays terran here, not Idra. QXC shouldnt have to just blindly agree with everything Idra says. Right at the beginning of the discussion it sounded like QXC doesnt beleive the matchup is widely imbalanced, and that its just gunna take time to figure out timings. He made some statement when JP told him to defend the terrans. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
but you are right, everyone knew that it would end up this way, yet still it somehow caused a large ruckus | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:35 Inquisitor1323 wrote: Every time QXC made a point Idra countered it in a way that forced QXC to agree with him. Example: Qxc said that now hellions were not good because queens could stop them. Idra said: "just run your hellions around the queens" and QXC said "oh good point". Does Idra honestly think that no terran has tried this before? Then QXC said "then there are speedlings at the ramp" to which Idra responds "no there arent". Once again, QXC just says good point and they leave the issue alone. Qxc plays terran here, not Idra. QXC shouldnt have to just blindly agree with everything Idra says. What are you saying exactly? That Qxc didn't believe the things he said in that conversation and that he was blindly agreeing with Idra for some reason? You're making it sound like JP forced Qxc to say what he did. On June 30 2012 01:41 dvorakftw wrote: I think the real tragedy in all of this is that the childish disrespect for avilo has covered up the fact that IdrA actually admitted the matchup is broke. Aside from straight out saying it, he also acknowledges it with several other points such as saying don't bother trying to stop creep because you can't and just let zerg get its super army and deal with it. Have a few ravens hanging around early building up energy and build starports you won't actually use right away just so you'll be ready to get 20 vikings when the BroodLords show up and let's not talk about what happens when you're left with half of them and the next wave of Zerg lings, roaches, and/or ultras show up. That's not at all what Idra said. Stop trying to pull an avilo. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! ! I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining. Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf? JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok. We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama. This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great. Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people. Thank you for standing the fuck up to the idiots who want to make nothing but drama in the community. I've only been here since sc2 release and even I knew how that would turn out. You guys did great, do more discussions like this but perhaps fuck all the idiots on reddit and TL and every other chat/forum and just don't invite people when you know itll be a mia rose, or avilo all over again. Please for the sake of everyone's sanity. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! ! I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining. Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf? JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok. We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama. This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great. Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people. I agree with basically everything said here. You guys were basically in a lose-lose situation, everybody was asking for avilo to be on, so if you didn't let him on, he may have caused shit again, and the viewers would be clammering for him to be on, and complaining more. All these people complaining about idra are either new or have very low iq, In my opinion idra was quite tame for how avilo constantly inturrupted him. It just seems like no matter what you do people will complain. I for one love the show, love the jokes, and will continue watching. | ||
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SmokeMonster
Canada72 Posts
To me, IdrA vs. avilo was just a heated discussion with each of them cutting off the other at some point or another. avilo was not polite as some people said. In one instance, he wanted IdrA to give him a chance to talk, but a couple minutes later he went ahead and cut IdrA off. That was when IdrA started to get really pissed and went STFU and the other went HEY HEY HEY, etc etc. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
He blatantly twisted Greg's words in a very childish, immature manner. It was the verbal equivalent of holding their finger next to your face shouting, "I'm not touching you!" over and over again when you were 7. Greg's point, which is one I share about a great deal of Starcraft 2, is that things can be done to deal with shit like that, they just aren't done. The truth is if you don't interact with your opponent you won't win. Terrans can interact, they're choosing not to. | ||
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mjnbowlgod
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 30 2012 01:23 Bommes wrote: Imagine a world in which every person is just a puppet in the hand of the twitch.tv live chat puppet masters. This is the best post in the last 1000 pages. Hahaha | ||
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R3DT1D3
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