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On June 29 2012 22:29 Mr.Faces wrote:
Then again, what do you expect from having non top-tier players discuss the state of the game...
Pretty much all there is to it, idra and incontrol are both as unqualified as avilo to talk about balance.
On June 29 2012 22:41 Glurkenspurk wrote:
You guys are idiots. It's a few people arguing over a video game. Not some kid being bullied to death in school, or any form of life and death situation. Get over it.
Idra is allowed to criticize any person he wants.
JP is allowed to invite anyone on his show that he wants.
Stop arguing and crying.
Then we are allowed to discuss and criticize the shit that went on in that show too.
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On June 29 2012 23:19 ohampatu wrote:
Why are we still calling these people the pillars of our community?
JP- He is not a pillar of our community. He is a Drama Queen who is thriving off our shitty community. He isn't even a good host. He royally fucked up handlling this situation. If it was his first time being this bad, itd be ok, but he has been like this for 2 years now. He is only in this scene for the money/drama (lol remember drewbie and his gf LOLOL, please leave this scene JP).
Incontrol- I used to be a huge fan. But the last 2 episodes have shown Incontrol for who he is. He is a bully. He likes to be mean, and has a very condescending humor. Yea he can cast, and does good comentary. But his actions last 2 episodes have made me stop being a fan. Most of this episodes fault is his, if he wasn't on the show I doubt JP would have brought Avilo on. Go back to gamestop please.
QXC- Guy has class. i hate terran, but he is becoming my fav foreigner terran. He is just soo awesome. Not a single complaint, and he is the only person who acted professionally on the show.
NoNy- TY for remaining neutral.
Idra- This guy is still in the scene? This is twice now that JP has allowed Idra a podium to cast his shit over everyone. First Real Talk, now SoTG. He doesn't deserve any of this. Like, I do think that top 5 pro players who want to talk shit on Idra should be allowed to come on SoTG and unleash everything they can on Idra. He deserves the hate, you keep giving him podiums to express his views on. First against Naniwa, now against Avilo. Guy is a terrible tool. He shouldn't be allowed back on the show for his unprofessionalism.
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Why do we make them the pillars? Especially JP/Incontrol/Idra. Like, i litterally can't stand these 3 people. Out of our whole community, they are the worst. Drama Queens, Flamers, Bullies, Only in it for the money. Etc.
Why dont we chose some pillars that are good? We are gonna kill our own scene when 'Idra' is referred to as a Pillar. LOL
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On topic of the show. JP you need to get the show to not be about 'making fun of players'. Two shows in a row filled with 75 percent 'avilo bashing' is funny as fuck. Your turning both your shows into 'lets make fun of somebody'. Not cool bro
They're pillars because they've been here way before you, I think it's fucking disgusting that someone who came in to the community 2 years ago is demanding a reason why people who have been here since Brood War, who have done way more for the scene than you ever have, or ever will shouldn't be removed as pillars.
They're pillars because funnily enough, esports and the scene existed before you decided to even glance at it, and while back then it was pretty bad these Drama Queens Flamers and Bullies who were "only in it for the money" had to drive to tournaments, to win just to cover the cost of travelling to it. They built up what you see today, and here you are decidedly because you, dislike them and that because you have seen a situation and flipped it through your glasses have reached conclusions that continue to show the bias you have against them.
I'll add some more because I just noticed you referred to Idra as a pillar, funnily enough he's not do you even check the front page of this thread? No I doubt you do because you seem to be wrapped up your own little world of bashing JP Incontrol and Idra regardless of what happens.
Do you plan on coming down from that high horse anytime soon?
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I really think the best pillars would be Day9, Artosis, Incontrol and Nony, those shows were good
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QXC Idra discussion was great. Avilo Idra was really awful..
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This episode really highlights the things that used to be good about SotG and what the show has become. The first part was awesome, talking reasonably about issues relevant to the game; while the second one (starting with Avilo) was just a TMZ episode. Having access to people such as Nony, Artosis and Qxc it is really sad that what we get a bunch of episodes focused of the scene’s drama and very few ones with discussions about the actual state of the game.
Also dropping Avilo like that from the call is very disrespectful and it is easy to perceive it as proof that these guys are not willing to listen to what the non famous part of the community has to say. Maybe that is not how they actually feel but that is the impression that they gave me.
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Just rewatched the whole last episode for the second time. I thought it was pretty okay, if you pay attention. I don't think Avilo was mistreated. In fact, he should be thankful for getting as much exposure as he did. Overall, the TvZ discussions were quite productive and interesting, big thanks to all people involved.
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On June 30 2012 00:14 Mesha wrote:
Idra has double standards for everything. He will bluntly say to someone"I am not talking to you because you are trash at starcraft!" - and then be friend and kindly discuss something starcraft wise with iNcontrol even though by all of his standards Incontrol is nobody when it comes to actually play the game of starcraft and thus don't know what he is talking about. Although he constantly avoid to show emotion everybody can see how insecure and full of shit he is behind the serious act he tries to present. Idra, just chill the fuck out. You will be a better person and a better player. Right now you are horrible on both departments. Avilo whines all the time, but that's part of his weird character i don't actually take seriously when he says how protoss is broken, he is also very funny guy with really special style of play - but to threat him like they did - it's just wrong and childish.
Only reason why this is strange to people is because he is doing this connected to esports. When you go to your high school class or university class and start talking stupid in front of the a professor you will not complain like crazy when that person tells you to stfu because you don't know what you are talking about.
I see no reason why Idra cannot be like that to lesser players. He can listen to them and then he has the right to act that way if he feels they are talking stupid. end of story.
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Respect for qxc. I found him quite boring the last few times he came up, but he was more outspoken this time during the TvZ debate. But even more admirable is that he wasn't ganging up on avilo. He sometimes rephrased what avilo said/trying to say because he knew that Idra wouldn't accept even valid points from avilo just because of their background.
I hope the rest (besides Tyler, who did nothing) are self-critical enough to reevaluate their behavior.
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wake up, check TL (1051) new posts in SOTG thread.. oh man episode must have been juicy! Downloading now.
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On June 30 2012 00:36 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:14 Mesha wrote:
Idra has double standards for everything. He will bluntly say to someone"I am not talking to you because you are trash at starcraft!" - and then be friend and kindly discuss something starcraft wise with iNcontrol even though by all of his standards Incontrol is nobody when it comes to actually play the game of starcraft and thus don't know what he is talking about. Although he constantly avoid to show emotion everybody can see how insecure and full of shit he is behind the serious act he tries to present. Idra, just chill the fuck out. You will be a better person and a better player. Right now you are horrible on both departments. Avilo whines all the time, but that's part of his weird character i don't actually take seriously when he says how protoss is broken, he is also very funny guy with really special style of play - but to threat him like they did - it's just wrong and childish.
Only reason why this is strange to people is because he is doing this connected to esports. When you go to your high school class or university class and start talking stupid in front of the a professor you will not complain like crazy when that person tells you to stfu because you don't know what you are talking about. I see no reason why Idra cannot be like that to lesser players. He can listen to them and then he has the right to act that way if he feels they are talking stupid. end of story.
So, would it be ok if, say, Stephano joined the show and told Idra to stfu if he disagreed with him?
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On June 30 2012 00:29 figq wrote:
Just rewatched the whole last episode for the second time. I thought it was pretty okay, if you pay attention. I don't think Avilo was mistreated. In fact, he should be thankful for getting as much exposure as he did. Overall, the TvZ discussions were quite productive and interesting, big thanks to all people involved.
They cut him off at the end without even giving him a chance to say good bye. Of course the conversation was getting heated but atleast JP could of said sorry avilo your time is up or something. They invited him to the show and made him look like an idoit. He brought up some key stuff too and even QxC was arguing and symphasizing with him as a terran player. Idra just seems to not care much bout avilo opinion. Weither it right or wrong, someone who is invited to the show should be treated like a guest and not treated so poorly otherwise dont invite them to the show at all honestly.
Props to QxC for being civil
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The current group of people that seem to be regular on SOTG (idra, incontrol, nony) are good enough at the game. They all have more insight than your average grandmaster player and it is very unsettling when people start shitting all over them and saying they aren't "qualified". The fuck does that even mean? By who's standards, yours? There isn't an objective list out there that states what "qualifications" are needed to be on SOTG. There are too many dynamics that go on with being a good host/commenter that you can only go with what you feel when selecting one.
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On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently.
Are you for real man? Avilo fanboys? Yeah I am sure there is usually a hole mob of Avilo fanboys outside of MLG whenever he is attending, the swarm they call themselves.
People dont like people who put other people in fucked up situations and then starting bulling them. If you have some level of moral/empathy in your body you might be able to see that to.
Go to reddit please, I think you find more of your kin there.
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On June 30 2012 00:40 Dgtl wrote:
The current group of people that seem to be regular on SOTG (idra, incontrol, nony) are good enough at the game. They all have more insight than your average grandmaster player and it is very unsettling when people start shitting all over them and saying they aren't "qualified". The fuck does that even mean? By who's standards, yours? There isn't an objective list out there that states what "qualifications" are needed to be on SOTG. There are too many dynamics that go on with being a good host/commenter that you can only go with what you feel when selecting one.
People are pretty fucking spoiled if they think that someone has to be "qualified" to make a talk show.
Don't like the show? then vote with your 1 viewership.
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On June 30 2012 00:39 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:36 -Archangel- wrote:On June 30 2012 00:14 Mesha wrote:
Idra has double standards for everything. He will bluntly say to someone"I am not talking to you because you are trash at starcraft!" - and then be friend and kindly discuss something starcraft wise with iNcontrol even though by all of his standards Incontrol is nobody when it comes to actually play the game of starcraft and thus don't know what he is talking about. Although he constantly avoid to show emotion everybody can see how insecure and full of shit he is behind the serious act he tries to present. Idra, just chill the fuck out. You will be a better person and a better player. Right now you are horrible on both departments. Avilo whines all the time, but that's part of his weird character i don't actually take seriously when he says how protoss is broken, he is also very funny guy with really special style of play - but to threat him like they did - it's just wrong and childish.
Only reason why this is strange to people is because he is doing this connected to esports. When you go to your high school class or university class and start talking stupid in front of the a professor you will not complain like crazy when that person tells you to stfu because you don't know what you are talking about. I see no reason why Idra cannot be like that to lesser players. He can listen to them and then he has the right to act that way if he feels they are talking stupid. end of story. So, would it be ok if, say, Stephano joined the show and told Idra to stfu if he disagreed with him?
Yes and Idra would understand that him of all people is less qualified to talk about balance than Stephano.
I remember in an interview about the MLG before the previous when Inori beat Stephano and then Stephano watched Idra beat Inori he said Stephano walked away in disgust that someone who's so much worse than him just managed to beat him (something along those lines)
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Really cool discussion between QXC and Idra. Would be nice if something of that quality could be a regular segment. Nice strategy talk like that is the only thing I think sotg can lack occasionally.
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I found QXC idra Debate very informative, I would just move away from the avilo incident. There was no point to it, nobody got anything out of it.... just a waste of time really.
QXC did great, much respect.
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On June 30 2012 00:40 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:29 figq wrote:
Just rewatched the whole last episode for the second time. I thought it was pretty okay, if you pay attention. I don't think Avilo was mistreated. In fact, he should be thankful for getting as much exposure as he did. Overall, the TvZ discussions were quite productive and interesting, big thanks to all people involved. They cut him off at the end without even giving him a chance to say good bye. Of course the conversation was getting heated but atleast JP could of said sorry avilo your time is up or something. They invited him to the show and made him look like an idoit. He brought up some key stuff too and even QxC was arguing and symphasizing with him as a terran player. Idra just seems to not care much bout avilo opinion. Weither it right or wrong, someone who is invited to the show should be treated like a guest and not treated so poorly otherwise dont invite them to the show at all honestly. Props to QxC for being civil
Oh man I feel so bad for JP. Had he not brought avilo on there would of been backlash from the community about how they didn't even consider his opinions. But because he brought avilo on, and what we all knew would happen happened, he's getting this backlash instead. This is basically a lose/lose situation for JP, since half of the community always bitches and moans about drama, while the other half sparks it and craves it.
On June 30 2012 00:44 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:39 Toadvine wrote:On June 30 2012 00:36 -Archangel- wrote:On June 30 2012 00:14 Mesha wrote:
Idra has double standards for everything. He will bluntly say to someone"I am not talking to you because you are trash at starcraft!" - and then be friend and kindly discuss something starcraft wise with iNcontrol even though by all of his standards Incontrol is nobody when it comes to actually play the game of starcraft and thus don't know what he is talking about. Although he constantly avoid to show emotion everybody can see how insecure and full of shit he is behind the serious act he tries to present. Idra, just chill the fuck out. You will be a better person and a better player. Right now you are horrible on both departments. Avilo whines all the time, but that's part of his weird character i don't actually take seriously when he says how protoss is broken, he is also very funny guy with really special style of play - but to threat him like they did - it's just wrong and childish.
Only reason why this is strange to people is because he is doing this connected to esports. When you go to your high school class or university class and start talking stupid in front of the a professor you will not complain like crazy when that person tells you to stfu because you don't know what you are talking about. I see no reason why Idra cannot be like that to lesser players. He can listen to them and then he has the right to act that way if he feels they are talking stupid. end of story. So, would it be ok if, say, Stephano joined the show and told Idra to stfu if he disagreed with him? Yes and Idra would understand that him of all people is less qualified to talk about balance than Stephano. I remember in an interview about the MLG before the previous when Inori beat Stephano and then Stephano watched Idra beat Inori he said Stephano walked away in disgust that someone who's so much worse than him just managed to beat him (something along those lines)
I think here Stephano was talking about Inori, not IdrA. Especially since I think it was IdrA that told that story.
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Yeah QXC is a very cool guy all around. Flawless participation to this SotG.
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IdrA is patently dishonest to claim that Terran greed can keep up with Zerg greed. He knows that isn't true. He's possibly the most biased person you could possibly talk to about balance. It's the perennial problem with taking pro players' opinions on balance at face value. In that sense i think SOTG would do well to avoid such heavy balance discussion. It wasn't terribly entertaining or productive.
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