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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:25 Signum wrote: he begged and cried about wanting to be on the show all during and after the last sotg. what universe are you from? Yeah, you're not going to get too many naive people hook onto this lie | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
Could care less about the avilo situation. My limited opinion of him based on the limited information I have on him remains unchanged after that segment. | ||
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:22 McFeser wrote: Avilo certainly tried and while his arguments might have been off base, I don't think IdrA telling him to "Shut the fuck up" is an appropriate response. That's not how you talk to people, and no, "Idra being Idra" is not a legitimate excuse for acting like an asshole. Wow, people are still trying to make this point. Did you watch the episode? Idra gave Avilo plentry of time to have a decent, calm conversation but as IdrA said- Avilo kept cutting him off until IdrA had enough. 1) there is no "situation" here. there just seems to be a ton of misinformed people who skimmed over the thread a few pages back and overreact in their own posts 2) if there is any "fault", it's as much Avilo's as anyones. He got himself on the show, then proceeded to interupt IdrA with 1-liner balance complaints while IdrA talked about actual common in the pro-metagame scenarios. ofc IdrA is going to say, in essence, "I've had enough". JP only cut him off to avoid further tention caused by Avilo. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2844 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:21 confusedcrib wrote: I wanted to say how much I enjoyed this episode. The small Avilo segment is getting far too much attention in an episode that was otherwise chocked full of the in-depth, rational analysis of high level strategy that I originally came to State of the Game for in the first place. It's felt like a long time since there was more game analysis then (what I find) pointless community talk, and I really appreciated that. Thanks for the great episode, content, and analysis. I had to go in the middle of the qxc/idra discussion but I was enjoying it. Goes to show that the community will go to great lengths to ignore what's worthwhile while embracing the overly dramatic. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:29 xOny wrote: Wow, people are still trying to make this point. Did you watch the episode? Idra gave Avilo plentry of time to have a decent, calm conversation but as IdrA said- Avilo kept cutting him off until IdrA had enough. 1) there is no "situation" here. there just seems to be a ton of misinformed people who skimmed over the thread a few pages back and overreact in their own posts 2) if there is any "fault", it's as much Avilo's as anyones. He got himself on the show, then proceeded to interupt IdrA with 1-liner balance complaints while IdrA talked about actual common in the pro-metagame scenario, ofc IdrA is going to say, in essence, "I've had enough". JP only cut him off to avoid further tention caused by Avilo. the vod is right there, I like how you think its avilo who constantly interrupts idra. and yes its avilo's fault for joining a show so he can be made fun of. I guess people who got scammed deserves it too for believing in stupid ads | ||
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LavendrGooms
United States134 Posts
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oldie8
8 Posts
? it can be an adjective as well | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
...And I didn't see it. Pretty much one of the best episodes I've seen for as long as I've followed it. Why are all the pitchforks raised right now? Idra is known for his rage, but honestly he was collected until the very end after being interrupted about five times from Avilo. I know how it's like to be cut off while having a 1-on-1 discussion and it's really annoying. It's even more annoying when the opposing side either completely misses the point or is muddled all over the place (which is what Avilo was doing. His points were very unclear). QXC and Idra's discussion was much more productive, and Idra's point of the heavy midgame bio into heavy starport tech seems to run well with the developing metagame of going MMM with little to no tanks and being very aggressive. I will say though that InControl needs to tone down on his trolling, as it set a bad mood from the very start, which is why I'm sure Avilo tried to call him out on it. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
That would be imbecilic.... much like the last 40 pages of this thread. Glad there was some TvZ talk with IdrA and QXC. Even though no ground was made, it would shut people up and maybe open people's eyes to possible shifts and ideas. Nothing to say about the Avilo segment, but I can only pray that this will all be dropped within a day or two. Show needs more NewNee, too quiet this week. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
IdrA then says that Terrans should simply be ready with 4 starports for a BroodLord switch. The thing that IdrA doesn't acknowledge is that even if you do get the ports to make the vikings, as a Terran you then have this army supply tied up in units that are not good to terrible against every other unit made in Zerg's subsequent remax. Or you can do "random" stuff like learn to do MKP level splitting to have a chance at winning. And remember, it's not a matter of doing it just once or twice in the game to come out ahead. Mess up a battle more than once and you're done. Check out MKP's recent losses to zerg to see examples. Anyway for those who haven't seen it, avilo vs. IdrA | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:42 DoNotDisturb wrote: Not sure if I should watch the vod considering the latest posts in this thread, is there any discussion about other things, like yesterday's GSL, or is it just the pre-show + purely TvZ discussion? There's a ton of talk in the show besides the 5 minute avilo fiasco, a large part of it is TvZ in the beginning but it's a wide variety of things like normal. | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:42 DoNotDisturb wrote: Not sure if I should watch the vod considering the latest posts in this thread, is there any discussion about other things, like yesterday's GSL, or is it just the pre-show + purely TvZ discussion? MLG, Group of Death GSL, TvZ discussion, and Liquid Rising were discussed. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:41 freakhill wrote: Whatever you might think of Avilo, the hosts of this program failed to show basic courtesy and politeness. I find it quite vulgar and am quite disappointed in the way they conduct their affair. I am not interested in low quality entertainment. This is why NASA won't talk to the "moon landing was faked" nutjobs. It just gives them attention. It's sort of a lose-lose situation... unless you're Jerry Springer. | ||
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Msrobinson
United States138 Posts
The QXC vs Idra bit in the beginning was incredible. Great theorycrafting and insight into the TvZ matchup. Once Avilo comes on, he keeps bringing on moot points left and right. Queens are so ridiculously powerful in the early game because we can't do shit, and then complains about how that directly translates to late game, while citing builds that have attack timings in the mid game. Nothing is constant, his arguments shift from putting zerg in impossibly good positions while using unconnected early game, mid game, and late game situations. All the while, he uses these unconnected situations to further make it seem like Terran is worse and worse off. Idra was trying to hear Avilo out, be polite in the start, but after about 10 minutes of Avilo citing styles and theorycraftings from non-pros, and using ridiculous situations to back up his baseless claims, and after being interrupted when Idra was talking, he let loose. It was a bad idea to invite him on the show, but since he did, it was better than expected. In my opinion. Idra has great ideas about what Terran can do vs Zerg in the matchup. Avilo isn't winning tournaments, nor has the potential to, in my opinion. QXC, on the other hand, does. QXC was nodding when Idra was making suggestions, and I'm sure that he will try them out. A professional player, or one that deserves to be one, such as QXC, takes these suggestions that he hasn't tried out, and tries them. Another player, like Avilo, takes what Idra has to say, tries to refute it by some bullshit, and then grabs his train conductor hat, takes his seat, and "choo choo, all about the Terran QQ train!." Not saying that TvZ isn't hard, but even at that level, players like Avilo are still being outplayed by players like QXC, and if QXC is willing to try different things, figure out different timings, then Avilo has no base for saying that he, and other Terrans, can't win TvZ by design. Also, to everyone saying this is unprofessional and will never get on television and shit, kindly shut the fuck up. State of the Game was never intended to be viewed on public television. It is an internet podcast that is put on by gamers and lovers of Starcraft II, for the gamers and lovers of Starcraft II. It is light hearted, and in essence, un professional. Just peoples opinions about other people, the game, and events. They aren't looking to get on television, to the best of my knowledge, so it is insulting to speak for the show, and for the people who were invited on it. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:22 iky43210 wrote: nowhere did avilo demands to be on the show. Way to twist untruthful statement why should avilo apologize for saying for his opinion about the patch and current state of the game (despite truth or not)? He did not insult anybody or make fun of anyone It is quite a lie you are telling me. Please don't speak of ill-informed comments if you don't know enough regarding the subject matter to express your thoughts. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:46 HeroMystic wrote: MLG, Group of Death GSL, TvZ discussion, and Liquid Rising were discussed. Guess I'll just listen to the GSL part, do you know the timestamp? | ||
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