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On June 29 2012 14:22 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:09 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 29 2012 14:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community because idra, jp, and incontrol was so much more profressional in interrupting his talks and constantly berates him right? I respect Avilo for not retaliate for the shit he has to endure past couple episodes. The constant shit talking, laughing in the background, belitting, demeaning photos from when he was 13, and hanging up the call Have you considered that Avilo might have deserved this treatment? These guys wouldn't just treat anybody like that. There's obviously a reason for their contempt toward Avilo. Unless you think they just randomly decided to shit on somebody. nobody "deserves" this treatment. Not even combatex and incontrols is pretty much king on hating people for no apparent reasons. See pewdiepie.
Not even combatex? The treatment wasn't that bad. Jesus. Really no big deal in my opinion.
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On June 29 2012 14:29 AndreiDaGiant wrote:
avilo believe it or not is a key part to the community and these stuck up pricks think they are hot shit and were clearly assholes to him... idra was way more of a jerk then avilo and avilo was put into a position to be made a fool even though he was just expressing his opinion....
SOTG is like a P/Z/EG Frat house. They make their money off their personalities, not off their play. None of them have done anything of relevance in at least a year.
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On June 29 2012 14:25 FakeDeath wrote:
Making brutally concrete statements like "Queen got 2 more range, now zerg can get 80 unharassed" is what makes IdrA realize this guy(Avilo) don't know wtf he's talking about and arguing with him is a waste of time... If you actually know how silly that sounds.. you would understand why IdrA reacts the way he does.
But then Idra is just being Idra. Though Avilo was not smart and Idra acted like a jerk.
The real story is Incontrol wanting to bring Avilo up when they really should not done it.
I could tell that incontrol wanted to see the drama between Avilo and Idra with their bad history.
Incontrol was basically acting as the instigator of the clusterfuck that happened between Avilo and Idra.
Pretty disappointed overall on this episode of SotG.Hope they know their mistakes this time and corrected it(JP,Incontrol).
Maybe Incontrol got tired of all the shitty comments about how the hosts are pussying out on bringing on Avilo and gave the community exactly what they asked for.
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To be honest incontrol was the one who handled this the worst. Idra said that he didn't want to talk to him, but incontrol kept pushing the issue with the intention of creating drama. Incontrol also shit talks avilo every SOTG and obviously has a problem with him. Its kind of pathetic of JP to invite avilo on when he knew that it wasnt going to turn out well. Also, avilo trys to address why incontrol talks shit every episode about him and incontrol does such a fucking child move and is like "THATS NOT WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW SO APPRECIATE THIS CHANCE THAT WERE GIVING YOU." What a fucking bitch. Talks shit to the guy and won't even back it up when the guy confronts him. Fucking child.
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On June 29 2012 14:19 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:07 Za7oX wrote:
I was expecting so much worse when i watched this.
Not really sure what people are crying about.
Lol exactly this. I just watched it, JP should have said a few words before cutting avilo though. Like "Ok, thanks for coming Avilo, I'm gonna have to cut the call here, it didn't work out well in the end" and cut. Avilo wasn't irreproachable, he interrupted IdrA several times (as did IdrA), put words into IdrA's mouth (the "As you said" while IdrA obviously didn't say that). IdrA wasn't either, started swearing and insulting a bit out of nowhere... But...that's it guys...No need to contact sponsors or some shit...a pretty awkward exchange in the history of SotG, but nothing harmful at all... On the other hand, the discussion between IdrA and qxc was very interesting, and it was obvious anyway that from there Avilo didn't have anything to add.
Yeah, with this. Drama not so big.
Avilio made qxc's points with less eloquence and not as well thought out or considered, which considering he heard qxc make them earlier, it seemed pretty bad. He came on to start a fight and 'call out' state of the game, as was obvious at the start when he started talking to incontrol instead of dicussing the state of TvZ.
The complaint that 'Terran have to all in and I dont' want to' is a whinge. nothing more. If the correct response to 6 queen build is to just all in that shit and win, then that's what you do. watch how fast the meta-game shifts.
If there is a terran all in with a high win percentage vs the 6 queen build, stop being precious and go win games.
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On June 29 2012 14:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:22 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 14:09 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 29 2012 14:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community because idra, jp, and incontrol was so much more profressional in interrupting his talks and constantly berates him right? I respect Avilo for not retaliate for the shit he has to endure past couple episodes. The constant shit talking, laughing in the background, belitting, demeaning photos from when he was 13, and hanging up the call Have you considered that Avilo might have deserved this treatment? These guys wouldn't just treat anybody like that. There's obviously a reason for their contempt toward Avilo. Unless you think they just randomly decided to shit on somebody. nobody "deserves" this treatment. Not even combatex and incontrols is pretty much king on hating people for no apparent reasons. See pewdiepie. Not even combatex? The treatment wasn't that bad. Jesus. Really no big deal in my opinion.
you mean being made fun of live infront of 10k viewers is not that bad? I don't know, you have some pretty thick skins then. I can't even stand being make fun of in my face by just 1 guy
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Not sure why anyone even cares, Idra bm'd someone and jp facilitated, this is not new and I like being part of the sc2 community less and less with each retarded drama incident. Go play a god damn ladder match and try to remember why you come here.
edit: lolololol 69posts!
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On June 29 2012 14:01 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community Apparently the first quote doesn't watch TV, where bitching is literally a constant abyss... If anything, eSports has less arguments then live TV any day (Note reality TV/News channels [fox] etc)
Reality TV and Politics will never count.
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Idra did tell that he didn't want him on yet JP invited him. Obviously Idra will react as he did, but Avilo isn't innocent either, he didn't try to make it better, he only made it worse. But on the other hand, this community is overreacting, same thing as when someone says "fuck", 20+ pages of how someone said fuck when it was live
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That was seriously no big deal. No big deal at all.
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On June 29 2012 14:36 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 29 2012 14:22 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 14:09 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 29 2012 14:02 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community because idra, jp, and incontrol was so much more profressional in interrupting his talks and constantly berates him right? I respect Avilo for not retaliate for the shit he has to endure past couple episodes. The constant shit talking, laughing in the background, belitting, demeaning photos from when he was 13, and hanging up the call Have you considered that Avilo might have deserved this treatment? These guys wouldn't just treat anybody like that. There's obviously a reason for their contempt toward Avilo. Unless you think they just randomly decided to shit on somebody. nobody "deserves" this treatment. Not even combatex and incontrols is pretty much king on hating people for no apparent reasons. See pewdiepie. Not even combatex? The treatment wasn't that bad. Jesus. Really no big deal in my opinion. you mean being made fun of live infront of 10k viewers is not that bad? I don't know, you have some pretty thick skins then. I can't even stand being make fun of in my face by just 1 guy
I think "calm mind" or "strong resolve" would be more accurate than "thick skin."
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On June 29 2012 12:37 MiX wrote:
Because he was brought on the show for the whole purpose of debating balance with Idra. And why the hell would Idra leave his own show because some random whiner got brought on?
State of the Game is IdrA's show? I guess that would explain why he decides when to hang up on someone without even so much as a "Thank you".
Is it really too much to ask or expect of IdrA to not be an ass to other people? Did he miss that day in kindergarten?
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On June 29 2012 14:38 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:01 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community Apparently the first quote doesn't watch TV, where bitching is literally a constant abyss... If anything, eSports has less arguments then live TV any day (Note reality TV/News channels [fox] etc) Reality TV and Politics will never count.
ok, what about ESPN? They build shows around arguing. Skip Bayless gets paid a ton of money to piss people off.
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Did i get it right? they invite him, blame him and than hang up in the middle of his sentence .
I mean i know this kind of shows are easy talk and they never bring up something against on of their company / teams but this is ...
I dont think this was a big deal because of idra. He act like a child, we know and expect that.
But invite someone and hang up in the middle of the sentence just because he dont like what he say, total disqualifies you as a showhost .
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If anything, Idra should be mad at incontrol pushing the whole Avilo issue, and JP for letting it happen.
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On June 29 2012 14:42 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:37 MiX wrote:
Because he was brought on the show for the whole purpose of debating balance with Idra. And why the hell would Idra leave his own show because some random whiner got brought on? State of the Game is IdrA's show? I guess that would explain why he decides when to hang up on someone without even so much as a "Thank you". Is it really too much to ask or expect of IdrA to not be an ass to other people? Did he miss that day in kindergarten?
Idra was on there as a host. Avilo was a guest. Being the host, that makes it "your" show. Even though he's not always there, today, it was his show. He didn't tell JP when to hang up, JP did that himself (and thank the gods he did when he did).
Idra isn't a nice person. He IS himself. I'm the same way. Polite to a point but there's a fine line between polite and "I'm fucking done with you." It has nothing to do with school and everything to do with not being horribly horribly fake like a lot of people are. And there's NO reason why Avilo should be upset about any of this. I'm a fan of SC2 but honestly, aside from knowing that he existed, I had no clue about the kid and about anything he had done. If anything, this is publicity for him, and getting your name out there will only help him.
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On June 29 2012 14:42 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:37 MiX wrote:
Because he was brought on the show for the whole purpose of debating balance with Idra. And why the hell would Idra leave his own show because some random whiner got brought on? State of the Game is IdrA's show? I guess that would explain why he decides when to hang up on someone without even so much as a "Thank you". Is it really too much to ask or expect of IdrA to not be an ass to other people? Did he miss that day in kindergarten?
"Thank you" for what?
Idra is one of the most consistent member on the show.
Why are you even watching the show?, when everyone in the community know how idra act?
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On June 29 2012 14:46 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:38 Femari wrote:On June 29 2012 14:01 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On June 29 2012 13:58 xOny wrote:On June 29 2012 13:52 Femari wrote:
I really dont think Avilo should've been brought in. You really only need one TvZ argument. qxc v IdrA was good. The incident with Avilo is why I hope MLG isn't on TV any time soon because our community shouldn't even be on TV yet with how everyone acts.
Yes it's IdrA, yes he's notorious for this shit, but I hope to god Starcraft stays off TV outside of Korea because we'll just look so bad because of the nonstop drama.
You really all should've seen it coming, IdrA said he didn't want him on and you sorta forced him to do it. That doesn't excuse his actions but you should've known it would happen and you should've said no and not let him on because qxc did everything fine, you didn't need another one. What IdrA did, ie calmy say "i'm not going to talk to this person anymore" was completely understandable considering how Avilo was completely ignorant of any actual in-game scenario IdrA tried to bring up. IMO it was Avilo who should be blamed for starting a "controversy", anyone who argues in such an obnoxious manner ("I don't care what you say, I just want to say a 1-liner about how imbalanced TvZ is") does not deserve to share his opinion in front of the community Apparently the first quote doesn't watch TV, where bitching is literally a constant abyss... If anything, eSports has less arguments then live TV any day (Note reality TV/News channels [fox] etc) Reality TV and Politics will never count. ok, what about ESPN? They build shows around arguing. Skip Bayless gets paid a ton of money to piss people off.
There's a big difference between what happened on SotG and what happens on First Take each morning.
My point is our community has drama every single week, and I think we'll look bad. Our community thrives on drama. 40 pages were thrown on to this thread because they literally just dismissed TvZ without a Terran. That's all that caused it. It's ridiculous.
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Could someone please time stamp the whole avilo bashing thing for me? I want to catch up on it but I don't have enough free time in my life to watch an entire episode.
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I still can't believe that nobody is talking about the QxC/IdrA debate, after all this. That's where the more productive part of this show happened.
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