Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1875

On December 12 2011 05:37 FoxyMayhem wrote:

Yeah I'm pretty sure that would do it. Is there a way we can fit IdrA in there somewhere?

On December 12 2011 05:42 NPF wrote:
Plus we would have tons of random Koreans looking at drunk white guys on the internet behind him.

On December 12 2011 06:58 Antisocialmunky wrote:
The mech stuff was pretty good. Thor mech was actually really good but feedback and nerfing the emp killed it.

However, I think the key to mech is unsieged tanks. The assumption for mech based around sieged tanks is kinda silly.

On December 12 2011 05:14 champy wrote:
Suggestion for getting number of viewers up to 30-40k: 2v2, tyler and day9 vs incontrol and jp, destiny + husky casting.

Edit: or 2 1v1's:

artosis vs day9
tyler vs incontrol

On December 12 2011 09:35 Telcontar wrote:

How about MVP & NesTea vs any combo of the 'pillars'?

On December 12 2011 12:23 NoS-Craig wrote:
Does anyone know when the drunk cast is? It doesn't say on page one at the moment. Seems glitched out or something.

On December 12 2011 09:30 Kharnage wrote:


unsieged tanks are more expensive, bigger maruders that can't be healed with a medivac and can't stim.
Sure they are better vs zealots than maruaders but crunch the numbers. 15 base damage vs 10, 160hp vs 125 and both have 1AR but at 150/125 vs 100/25 it's pretty obvious that maruaders are better, especially if you factor in stim and conc shells.

Look at it this way, for the price of 2 siege tanks you can get a 2 marauders and a raven (and everyone knows that ravens aremade of unobtanium and can't be made by terrans ever because they need to build a TECHLAB on a STARPORT and they cost ALL THE GAS. ALL OF IT!!)

On December 12 2011 13:32 Antisocialmunky wrote:


Think of it as more of problem and solution. Sieged tanks do more DPS vs single targets and tanks in the back and provide splash. 2 Tanks is roughly 1 Thor in damage and durability (somewhat inferior due to drop off due to crowding and the fact that you can't lose 1/2 a Thor).

If a 120 food Thor Ball was feasible using a fast 3/4 base build and harass then you can do the same with tanks (it was). Of course you can always try Ghost Thor with strike cannon against immortals. If you get enough Thors and good engages, they evaporate gateway units and outrange every Protoss Units tanks can do the same thing except tanks in the back don't become useless. So I think its feasible, practical? Probably not until you get truely great players.

The main counter to mech like in TvZ is the mass air translation. The advantage with mass Thor ball was that carriers could get volleyed down since you're going to likely fight a handful of 1/1 carriers with 100+ food of 3/3 Thors.

On December 11 2011 05:45 svefnleysi wrote:

That would be amazing.

Or a FFA with all the hosts on Skype and JP observing.

Too bad none of this will happen because Day9's ego is too fragile to let anyone see him play SC2.

On December 12 2011 14:01 Kharnage wrote:


no protoss counters anything terran does with carriers.

not even mech, no matter what jinro says.

imagine i have 8 carriers and all their interceptors die, most of my zealots die, half my VR die and the entire 20/200 mech army is shattered. I'm spending 200mins every 8 ingame secs on interceptors alone from the start of the engagement. i've been bleeding 25mins per second.
The carriers move so slowly and they are so amazingly bad against marines and vikings that even if I win the mech engagement, I'll spend most of my minerals rebuilding interceptors instead of zealots and gateway units while terran will just build vikings and marines. when my carriers die (when, not if) you won't have the gateways or the resources to warpin say, 20 chargelots, and even if i do 20 zealots can't kill a PF that is being repaired before the reinforcements arrive. if I was that invested in carriers I'll probably have at best 1/1/3 on my ground army so my units will suck badly.

The problem with protoss in this matchup is that with the exception of HT/DT vikings counter everything tier 3. If terran are going mech and have those vikigns in the air, you won't see any VR, carriers or colossus. a few vikings patrolling the approach angles will even stop warp prism, if not speed prism.

It'll be chargelot, archon, HT/DT with some stalker/sentry support and some immortals for bust damage. In a nutshell, what they are doing right now vs terran bio minus the colossus. I would say step 1 is take air control with 5 or vikings and build more if you see colossus / warp prism on the field (or if you want to do viking harass, though a few ravens would be better imho. dump auto-turrets and leave).

TvP 'mech' style should take look very 'sky terran' with thors only if they are massing pheonix in an attempt to regain air control or mass stalkers (thors with repair eat stalkers. nom nom nom)
small numbers of tanks where the map permits (cliffs, chokes) and hellions or marines (combat shield, stim, but probably not medivacs) and PFs.
lots of bunkers too. bunker the shit out of everywhere.

On December 12 2011 20:43 Antisocialmunky wrote:


Yeah, it is a lot like the broodlord timing except not as devastating since Thors max out almost faster than any other unit for Terran for a small amount of factories. A straight push with mass Thor against anything but a mass of immortals or HTs is quite good for Terran. Like I said, if you get caught without an absolute critical mass of carriers and you switched to carriers, you die anyway.

On December 11 2011 05:45 svefnleysi wrote:

That would be amazing.

Or a FFA with all the hosts on Skype and JP observing.

Too bad none of this will happen because Day9's ego is too fragile to let anyone see him play SC2.

On December 12 2011 09:35 Telcontar wrote:

How about MVP & NesTea vs any combo of the 'pillars'?