Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1552

On September 15 2011 03:13 mcc wrote:

That does not follow in the slightest. But even if I accepted your inference, what does it have to do with my point.

On September 15 2011 03:18 karpo wrote:


I guess his point is that it's kinda stupid to call people who spend time watching "silly" content idiots as he himself want stream hits when doing stuff like 2vs2 with Puma.

On September 15 2011 03:02 Plansix wrote:


Incontrol never said that people couldn't criticize the NASL, just that they were overly harsh on them. He isn't far off, since the TL community is harsh on everything. He was also involved with NASL, so he is going to stick up for them.

People are really harping on how he spends his free time, which is wrong. If he wants to play some 2v2s with Puma, good for him. If he is nice enough to stream those games and let us in on the fun, great. He is a free man and can tell stupid people they are dumb for telling him he can't have fun. Can't hate a man for telling the truth. If someone tells me how to spend my free time, I might spend some time telling them how dumb they are.

Do you ever wonder why Tyler doesn't tell us much about how he spends his free time? It's because he know's how the community will react. Here is a hint, it won't be positive or rational.

On September 15 2011 03:21 LovE-z33k wrote:


They were specifically talking about tournaments like that, not streaming at home. There is a big difference.

But regardless, someone, somewhere, will always get offended by the opinions of others.

On September 15 2011 03:18 The KY wrote:
My 2 pence on the all star matches; when I saw the list of players and the match ups I was like 'OMG this is such a good idea. All the finals have sucked so bad and this one probably will too, giving the event some higher value with these sick games is genius.'

Then I turn it on and they're all mucking about and off racing and giving trying-too-hard-to-be-funny interviews, and I'm like 'wtf is this boring bullshit. Excuse me while I watch Destiny youtube videos for an hour until the finals are on'. Basically if it was going to be joking around and off racing...fucking bill it as that. Don't cock tease me with your incredible player list then slap me in the face with it.

On September 15 2011 03:26 MrCon wrote:

Well, nothing will have unanimity.
But this day has one of the better crowd for a GSL event, the allstar matches made 180 pages of thread in 3 hours, and 180 very positive pages, which is a blessing nowadays compared to usual LR threads. The mood was very high and stayed like that to the finals. So it's strange that of all 4 hosts, no one had the slightest positive thing to say on one of the most positive GSL day (I'd even say sc2 days) ever...

On September 15 2011 03:18 karpo wrote:


I guess his point is that it's kinda stupid to call people who spend time watching "silly" content idiots as he himself want stream hits when doing stuff like 2vs2 with Puma.

On September 15 2011 03:22 thatsundowner wrote:


I'm not talking about how he spends his free time, I really don't care about that. All I'm saying is that he has free reign to criticize whatever he wants but when somebody does it to him then all of a sudden the community is too negative. A guy that gives it like he does should be able to take it back.

That does not follow in the slightest. But even if I accepted your inference, what does it have to do with my point.

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it was an allstar game, there is literally zero pretense of it being serious competition. so it is the exact same thing as 2 pros deciding to stream 2v2s one night

On September 15 2011 03:40 Joseph123 wrote:
About the Destiny ban: Apparently Blizzard needs ages to figure out that they should finally add the feature to not be abused by strangers. Their attitude towards that is disturbing.
About DH: In the current state of the game I'm pretty sure the winner of DRG vs Thorzain will take it.
About GSL: I agree that the format is just not interesting not watch anymore.
About Allstars matches: Seemed like a waste of time to me, agree with Incontrol's suggestion.

Thing is, they called it All Star games.

I think Incontrol is constructive when he criticizes a tournament or player.

On September 15 2011 03:55 nvs. wrote:


My problem wasn't with Incontrol criticizing a tournament or a player, it was with him calling us all idiots for enjoying the show.

Ya. Pretty constructive.

On September 15 2011 03:34 Plansix wrote:


Also, stream 2v2s on your own stream is far different from having all star matches right before the finals of the GSL. Its sort of like having two golf pros play right before the PGA tour, but neither of them qualified for the tour itself. And they drank a lot before the match. And one of them is using a hockey stick(MarineKing as Protoss).

All star matches are fun and have their place. But not right before the finals of the GSL.

On September 15 2011 03:52 flowSthead wrote:
*sigh* It is so annoying when people hear something on the cast, then decide to post immediately what their feelings are without listening to what the rest of the cast. We get a lot of really stupid posts this way. The one person who seems to actually listen to SOTG is TheKY and I am going to spoiler his awesome posts, cause he's a boss:

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Here is the real issue with the whole EU scene problem that everyone is talking about. I consider that I watch a fair amount of SC2. Not enough as some people here clearly, since I rarely watch streams or any of the smaller tournaments. But I do make it a point to watch most of these games: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments And then I also try to watch some of these as well: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments I don't watch nearly as many, but I occasionally watch some of the more interesting ones, like the HomeStory Cup.

If I'm looking at just the Premier Tournaments, can anyone tell me where in that Lucifron has done amazingly? He hasn't. From Mr. Bitter's list, I have seen every player on that list play many times in many big tournamens (except Nightend, I haven't seen him play that often in bigger tournaments), but I have not seen Lucifron. I don't blame the hosts for not having seen much of his play either. I would argue that there are a lot of players missing on that list as well. Morrow isn't there, neither is Brat_OK, Adelscott and Naama haven't been posting great results lately but I at least know who they are because they have done well in big tournaments before. Lucifron hasn't.

I find this entire attitude super strange, seeing as I see every day on these forums people wondering why Sase gets so much respect when has actually posted consistently good results for a while now. Sase 5-0 his group at DreamHack Summer, won the Grubby Invitational, and recently got 2nd place at the CPL Invitational. How does Sase get so much crap posting good results, while Lucifron gets so much love for posting one or two good results in smaller tournaments? Note, I am not calling Lucifron a bad player, but he is frankly relatively unknown and unproven. I am impressed he defeated Nerchio, but he did so in a Zotac Cup, not at an IEM, a DreamHack, or an MLG. It is not quite impressive enough for him to register.


On a separate note, I also just want to point out how ridiculous the community is in regards to ignoring what doesn't hold to their view. People complain about how SOTG only talks about MLG, and then SOTG proceeds to talk about the Blizzard Invitationals in previous episodes, and DreamHack Valencia in this one. But no, SOTG only talks about MLG. Then before this SOTG people were complaining about the fact that Day9 never does any useful analysis, and then he proceeds to pretty much be the only one to analyze why he thinks Hero will face DRG in the finals of the DreamHack. Yet no one has commented on Day9's analysis and how wrong they were. He talked about a Protoss change to armor upgrades against zergling attacks instead of attack, he talked about Zealot harass that Hero does, he talked about Zerg building too many infestors. And then after Tyler, Day9 analyzes DRG's style about getting an early 3rd hatch for early counter-attacking and how that allows him to have more than the usual amount of units on 2 bases, which means he is better able to hold any possible cheese and gives him the ability to counter-attack more easily.

It's not the most in depth analysis with specific timings and what not, and it is always possible that Day9 made a mistake. But people will watch this SOTG and then before next SOTG they will be complaining again that Day9 isn't a pro and he does no high level analysis. I mean seriously, how fast did people forget that Day9 and Tyler worked together to make an anti-four gate PvP build a few months ago. Now obviously we don't know how much Day9 contributed and how much Tyler contributed. But if they were at the very least practicing together, that means Day9 is at least good enough to practice with a pro currently playing. This was before MLG Anaheim, which while maybe not Tyler at his best, he still made it out of the Open Bracket for that one.

I just don't understand what Day9 has to do for his opinion to be respected.

On September 15 2011 04:46 WhiteDog wrote:

No it's actually a really BAD post. There is a reason why Lucifron's current form is unknown and why he has disappeared from the scene : back when he was one of the top EU terran, he decided to stop large scale tournament and concentrate only on spanish event. He left fnatic (I think it's fnatic, not sure, correct me if wrong) and integrated a spanish team with his brother.

When someone don't know who is Lucifron, or what his current level is, that someone should just not say anything - and that's what tyler did, saying he did not know who was his current level.

Back in WC3 I didn't like lucifron, orc was OP and I always thought he was just abusing, but in SC2 he was, for the little time he played in the EU scene, one of the top contender.