EPTIt has been mostly entertaining, not on the highest level of play, but the games and players had their flavour. Besides, that first game of Jinro vs. FruitDealer also had some excellent play by Jinro, they didn't mention that in SOTG, just the too long fading out of that game.
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
It has been mostly entertaining, not on the highest level of play, but the games and players had their flavour. Besides, that first game of Jinro vs. FruitDealer also had some excellent play by Jinro, they didn't mention that in SOTG, just the too long fading out of that game. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:46 Whitewing wrote: I'll rephrase: it would suck to have code S without them. Wolf does a great job given what he has to work with. Doa and Moletrap are kind of bland to be honest, and Wolf doesn't really have a great colour commentator to bounce his analysis off of. However, living with FXO gives so much more insight to the Korean scene than say Tasteless provides. It seems like Nick doesn't play Starcraft 2 hardly at all anymore. That doesn't dissapate from his casting though, and his rich bassy tones are still great listening. You just compare it to what Day9 and Husky can whip up and it makes you wonder. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:29 Hassybaby wrote: I'm genuinely struggling to see how much criticism the cast gave to the all-star matches. It was clearly going be a dickabout thing, and the Koreans are regularity accused to basically being robots. Then they do something fun, and people are like "wtf is this? why are they doing something stupid?" In the same thinking, does that not make the TL Attack stupid? Both Tyler and Geoff did a TL attack back in BW for fun. Hell, that would make Funday Monday stupid as well. It just feels like such a double standard That's a really great point you have there. Why would we ever watch another TL attack if it's just gonna be pro gamers screwing around doing B level play? ![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/nbcio2.jpg) The Broodwar one was really fun too. | ||
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote: Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted. 4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I think this is ridiculous, no offence. I also think that even GOM knows that their system is somewhat bad and they must hear about it from the teams, fans and other players. I haven't really heard any trashing about the events on air other than what Artosis said on SotG last night. Care to share some with me? But anyway, if this would be the case, i'd lose my interest to watch Code S, and i'm pretty sure that i'm not alone. Unless you could watch it with the Korean commentators.. Thats true that they are probably doing "worse" than previously, but they are still interesting as hell to listen and great casting duo overall, and i wouldn't change them to anyone else right now. Code A casters, aren't doing that well either imo. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
they are like this because they dont mean anything, sure there's some prizes for the winners but they are chump change compared to what these people get paid to do in the regular season. if these all star sc2 matches were for 50k, u bet ur ass all the players would treat it like the GSL finals. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote: I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:39 Socke wrote: well, we have something kinda similar going (last episode here http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=918), but its only in german D: Unfortunately I doubt you make it friendly German for people who can understand German language just so-so, will check it out still, but I am afraid my German won't be enough. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:55 Grettin wrote: I think this is ridiculous, no offence. I also think that even GOM knows that their system is somewhat bad and they must hear about it from the teams, fans and other players. I haven't really heard any trashing about the events on air other than what Artosis said. Care to share some with me? But anyway, if this would be the case, i'd lose my interest to watch Code S, and i'm pretty sure that i'm not alone. Unless you could watch it with the Korean commentators.. Thats true that they are probably doing "worse" than previously, but they are still interesting as hell to listen and great casting duo overall, and i wouldn't change them to anyone else right now. Code A casters, aren't doing that well either imo. I'm with you, it would be a loss. But Tasteless doesn't miss an opportunity to trash GSL when he's casting MLG, and the Artosis' rant yesterday was quite eloquent. I can't believe he didn't defended and argued with the idiocies that were said about GSL format and allstar matches. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Day9 or JP trash MLG/any other organization for which D9 works. The only one who are doing that are tastosis, and it's "recent" (from last MLG) | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote: I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on | ||
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:59 MrCon wrote: I'm with you, it would be a loss. But Tasteless doesn't miss an opportunity to trash GSL when he's casting MLG, and the Artosis' rant yesterday was quite eloquent. I can't believe he didn't defended and argued with the idiocies that were said about GSL format and allstar matches. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Day9 or JP trash MLG/any other organization for which D9 works. The only one who are doing that are tastosis, and it's "recent" (from last MLG) I still don't know what you are talking about. I really can't remember any GSL "trashing" by Tasteless or Artosis in MLG or then i just haven't been around to hear this 'trashing' you are talking about. But why defend GSL or any other tournament/org when it's pretty obvious that their system is somewhat bad or lacking? And Artosis did kinda defend it by saying that maybe GOM want's to keep/make Code S this way so the Code S players would have more money and consider this as job and all that shit, can't remember exactly how it went, but you know what i mean here. I mean, i think it's more than okay if people who work for MLG, GSL or any other organisation are openly talking about the mistakes and bad things and how they run the tournament or how they should run it. Especially in this case. But i don't know.. i'm pretty sure that Tastosis won't go anywhere and all these "hints" are pretty far-fetched. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote: "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on I think he's talking about GOM hiring 4 casters at the same time for the code A side for some reason. Though with the weekend tournament and all the flights tastosis takes to foreign events they might find having 4 useful. I bet a foreign tournament has the resources and would love to outbid GOM for tastosis's pay though so I don't think it is a crazy idea. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On September 15 2011 00:54 BigKahunaBurger wrote: Whats even worse was the fact that Incontrol had the gall to go ahead and call people stupid for enjoying it. Newsflash: We're the ones that are paying to watch you play. We are paying for you to make a living off this videogame. How do they, or any of the panelists for that matter, have the right to insult viewers who liked that all-star game? They didn't even watch the finals, which had some of the best TvT of SC2 so far. Whats more, they were completely uninformed about the event itself, and are so out of touch with the Korean scene it's disheartening. "The All star match was played for money" Incorrect. You're confusing it with the Arena of Legends tournament. Great coverage there. As was said before in previous posts, both Tyler and Incontrol have hosted TL Attack before, and this seems to have slipped their minds. The all-star game was broadcasted free of charge, and was a fun event. But of course, we can't have fun in SC2. I don't really want to check but did InControl actually call anyone stupid for watching all-star matches ? As far as I remember he said that people watching it have too much time on their hands and there are better ways to spend it. Which is arguably true, but if not than it is purely subjective thing and his opinion is valid in the same way as yours. Also everyone has right to insult everyone else in this fashion, unless you live in some kind of dictatorship (I am still unsure you are actually not making his insults up). Artosis and I think JP watched the finals and Tyler and Day9 did not and I have no idea about InControl. And in many people's opinion TL Attack is fun, whereas all-star matches are just brain-dead boring nonsense (and yes it is subjective opinion, but so are all opinions on the matter). Your indignation because they are actually expressing opinions that hurt noone is just pretentious. And to add they(Artosis) said that 1st game was probably best TvT to date. I have to wonder if the people bitching here are actually watching the same show and if they are it seems they hear only what they want to hear. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:10 coolcor wrote: I think he's talking about GOM hiring 4 casters at the same time for the code A side for some reason. Though with the weekend tournament and all the flights tastosis takes to foreign events they might find having 4 useful. I bet a foreign tournament has the resources and would love to outbid GOM for tastosis's pay though so I don't think it is a crazy idea. Artosis didn't move to Korea for the money | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 15 2011 00:49 OreoBoi wrote: Feeding the trolls? You are the troll. Everyone that uses the "Don't talk about players that are better" is a troll. If I just quote you and change lucifron to tyler and tyler to your name, it fits pretty well. You're point isn't "Players with less skill shouldn't hate on players with more skill" it's "Players I don't like shouldn't hate on players I like". First you're a hypocrite and then in the next one you back off on your initial statement. You have no idea of what a troll is. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote: "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote: - less and less cast time - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances Or maybe it's just that they need proper vacations and a break to keep the interest up. Why do everyone assume they are quitting/being fired based on such weak evidence? Going to weekend events must be pretty fun for them, getting back to the states and everything. But overall everyone needs a break, especially people who have work that really can't be done on autopilot or when tired and grumpy. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote: Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted. Oh wow, first time that one of your posts don't make me happy.  Worst of all, there is truth in what you say. I also frowned upon Tasteless last MLG. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:19 mcc wrote: I don't really want to check but did InControl actually call anyone stupid for watching all-star matches ? As far as I remember he said that people watching it have too much time on their hands and there are better ways to spend it. Which is arguably true, but if not than it is purely subjective thing and his opinion is valid in the same way as yours. Also everyone has right to insult everyone else in this fashion, unless you live in some kind of dictatorship (I am still unsure you are actually not making his insults up). Artosis and I think JP watched the finals and Tyler and Day9 did not and I have no idea about InControl. And in many people's opinion TL Attack is fun, whereas all-star matches are just brain-dead boring nonsense (and yes it is subjective opinion, but so are all opinions on the matter). Your indignation because they are actually expressing opinions that hurt noone is just pretentious. And to add they(Artosis) said that 1st game was probably best TvT to date. I have to wonder if the people bitching here are actually watching the same show and if they are it seems they hear only what they want to hear. Incontrol said, and I quote: If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots." Buh bow. So that's one point shut down. I actually re-read your post, and I can't believe what I was seeing. Everyone has the right to insult someone else on the things they like to watch? Well sure that is true, but in the same vein, I can't be offended? I'm not allowed to be disgusted that i'm being ostracized for not being an elitist 1v1 fan. My indignation of their opinions? They're insulting the viewer base and me personally on my tastes. Ah, sorry. I'm supposed to be insulted and like it because one of the guys has gotten 4th place at a tournament once. Your eagerness to blindly defend the opinions of people you don't know speaks volumes about you however. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote: - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances Less and less cast time, yes. But that is because they are also casting in MLG, as you said. And to be honest, they have earned that "free time" they are having now. "4 casters in addition", wasn't this the original plan all along? Invite bunch of casters to try out as a Code A casters? Maybe GOM needs more time to figure out which duo is the the one which will be best for all of us, GOM, customers&fans? "Random bases of GSL in public appereances".. As far as i know, Artosis and Tasteless aren't alone here. (no, i'm not only talking about GSL here) But really, i don't see whats so wrong about this, as long as you keep it civil. Concrete criticism from workers (in this case Artosis) is really good and more than welcome IMO. | ||
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/Tarson/Cloud/Morrow.. did the show and the chemistry would be there a lot of people would have watched I would guess.
