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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 15:47:19
September 14 2011 15:46 GMT
#30961
On September 14 2011 21:29 Hassybaby wrote:
I'm genuinely struggling to see how much criticism the cast gave to the all-star matches. It was clearly going be a dickabout thing, and the Koreans are regularity accused to basically being robots. Then they do something fun, and people are like "wtf is this? why are they doing something stupid?" In the same thinking, does that not make the TL Attack stupid? Both Tyler and Geoff did a TL attack back in BW for fun. Hell, that would make Funday Monday stupid as well. It just feels like such a double standard

This is 100% double standard.
The Korean scene is the only one the hosts can ditch without consequences, so they just do that. I can't believe what they said about the all star matches, which was one of the best sc2 show to date. In fact, last Saturday was one of the best sc2 day to date.
The hosts are more and more uninformed about what they aren't involved in, they should stick talking about the state of the game, it would be better for everyone. For us because 2 hours talks about MLG groups and judgments about things they don't watch is boring, and for them because having such uneducated views don't make them exactly shine.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
September 14 2011 15:49 GMT
#30962
On September 14 2011 23:44 JayJay_90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 23:06 Sgtmt wrote:
On September 14 2011 22:11 JayJay_90 wrote:
On September 14 2011 22:01 The KY wrote:
My mind is seriously being blown here. Did I miss the bit where Lucifron got called a 1 baser? Didn't Artosis say he was looking forward to seeing how he plays? Didn't Inc say he was tearing through EU zergs?

Did I miss something?

The worst part imo was when Tyler came on though. I didn't know if i should rage or lol about the way he talked about a player, who is way ahead of him skillwise. (if i recall it correctly he called him a "not fully developed sc2 player" and even asked, if he's even supposed to talk about the matchup Luci - DRG
.


Well by your logic Day9 and JP shouldn't ever criticize anyone's play. Almost all the pros are ahead of them skill wise.

As for everyone's OPINION on the Allstar games, its their OPINION. If they don't like it why the hell do you care.

Of course they can criticize all they want. If a silve league player understands the game well enough to see an obvious flaw in some pro's play, then he can criticize him for that. I think it's a bit different with one progamer criticizing another one, but obviously that's ok aswell. It depends on the tone. As long as you know what you're talking about and don't be a dick in the way you voice your criticism , go ahead and criticize.
That's it for me, i don't feel like feeding aynmore trolls.


Feeding the trolls? You are the troll. Everyone that uses the "Don't talk about players that are better" is a troll. If I just quote you and change lucifron to tyler and tyler to your name, it fits pretty well. You're point isn't "Players with less skill shouldn't hate on players with more skill" it's "Players I don't like shouldn't hate on players I like". First you're a hypocrite and then in the next one you back off on your initial statement.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
September 14 2011 15:51 GMT
#30963
I don't understand how people can be so dumb...

If you listened to artosis at all he said he only wants to watch competitive matches. Obv. playing offrace isn't going to show your maximum skill, which is what he (and most of them) want to see.

Sure I enjoyed some the game but I'm not to dull to see what they are trying to say. They don't have unlimited time and they would rather watch a super high level game or do something else.
Snitches get stiches
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 14 2011 15:54 GMT
#30964
On September 15 2011 00:38 vdale wrote:
It's only one month since Lucifron started to play impressive (especially in TvZ against European top zerg players) and 2 month since he even started to compete in tournaments. I think the first time I saw him play after several month was at the Torneo Campus Party in July where he lost to HasuObs (0-3).

It's not like he was dominating tournaments for months. If I remember correctly he won only one 100€ cup and showed great play in some other cups. You can't expect the SOTG hosts to know everything. Don't be so angry.

He is one of the best TvZ players in Europe, but even if he would be the best, he would be a big underdog against DRG.

If you look at Lucifron two or even one month ago, the things that Tyler said make a lot of sense.




ye, its not like 3 of them are paid for their day job to talk about players....
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
September 14 2011 15:54 GMT
#30965
On September 15 2011 00:46 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 21:29 Hassybaby wrote:
I'm genuinely struggling to see how much criticism the cast gave to the all-star matches. It was clearly going be a dickabout thing, and the Koreans are regularity accused to basically being robots. Then they do something fun, and people are like "wtf is this? why are they doing something stupid?" In the same thinking, does that not make the TL Attack stupid? Both Tyler and Geoff did a TL attack back in BW for fun. Hell, that would make Funday Monday stupid as well. It just feels like such a double standard

This is 100% double standard.
The Korean scene is the only one the hosts can ditch without consequences, so they just do that. I can't believe what they said about the all star matches, which was one of the best sc2 show to date. In fact, last Saturday was one of the best sc2 day to date.
The hosts are more and more uninformed about what they aren't involved in, they should stick talking about the state of the game, it would be better for everyone. For us because 2 hours talks about MLG groups and judgments about things they don't watch is boring, and for them because having such uneducated views don't make them exactly shine.


Whats even worse was the fact that Incontrol had the gall to go ahead and call people stupid for enjoying it. Newsflash: We're the ones that are paying to watch you play. We are paying for you to make a living off this videogame. How do they, or any of the panelists for that matter, have the right to insult viewers who liked that all-star game? They didn't even watch the finals, which had some of the best TvT of SC2 so far.

Whats more, they were completely uninformed about the event itself, and are so out of touch with the Korean scene it's disheartening. "The All star match was played for money" Incorrect. You're confusing it with the Arena of Legends tournament. Great coverage there.

As was said before in previous posts, both Tyler and Incontrol have hosted TL Attack before, and this seems to have slipped their minds. The all-star game was broadcasted free of charge, and was a fun event. But of course, we can't have fun in SC2.
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
September 14 2011 15:55 GMT
#30966
I really don't understand the need people have for an EU guest. Realistically, for there to be a proper discussion about the EU scene you'd have to swap out all the hosts for some EU hosts. Just having one guy telling everyone that lucifron is actually really good will not suddenly make the current hosts interested or knowledgeable about the EU scene.

Just like bringing in 1 terran or 1 zerg doesn't take the heavy protoss perspective out of the show, it just gets you one guy who occasionally will not agree with something that a protoss player would agree to.

I would even argue that it can make for worse discussion to mix things up too much. Just look at inside the game and how their multiracial discussions turn out.

So please stop demanding guests to fill some racial or regional slots. If you can't listen to a bunch of NA based protoss players this probably isn't the cast for you.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 14 2011 16:02 GMT
#30967
I'd compare the GSL Allstars to NBA Allstar weekend ... a boring, contrived, ego-stroking snoozefest.

I'd much rather watch Lebron and Kobe kill each other playing one-on-one for cash than Lebron and Kobe in a slam dunk competition, trying to make trick shots and high-fiving each other, etc.

The hosts are hardcore fans, and competitors. To them, high-level competition IS fun.

AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 14 2011 16:03 GMT
#30968
On September 15 2011 00:38 vdale wrote:
It's only one month since Lucifron started to play impressive (especially in TvZ against European top zerg players) and 2 month since he even started to compete in tournaments. I think the first time I saw him play after several month was at the Torneo Campus Party in July where he lost to HasuObs (0-3).

It's not like he was dominating tournaments for months. If I remember correctly he won only one 100€ cup and showed great play in some other cups. You can't expect the SOTG hosts to know everything. Don't be so angry.

He is one of the best TvZ players in Europe, but even if he would be the best, he would be a big underdog against DRG.

If you look at Lucifron two or even one month ago, the things that Tyler said make a lot of sense.



And he will go back to school very shortly, so will probably dissappear again then.


I don't blame the hosts for not knowing about him, since he's only started competing in tournaments again recently, unfortunate he has to play DRG, as he could've taken any of the other players out, but hopefully he puts up a fight and shows the doubters how he can play. (assuming they actually watch it )
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 14 2011 16:04 GMT
#30969
I don't understand the EU rage. The bias against the Korean scene is even worse. Korea has 99% of the top players and yet the spend more time bashing it than they do talking about the good players.
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
September 14 2011 16:05 GMT
#30970
On September 15 2011 01:02 Defacer wrote:
I'd compare the GSL Allstars to NBA Allstar weekend ... a boring, contrived, ego-stroking snoozefest.

I'd much rather watch Lebron and Kobe kill each other playing one-on-one for cash than Lebron and Kobe in a slam dunk competition, trying to make trick shots and high-fiving each other, etc.

The hosts are hardcore fans, and competitors. To them, high-level competition IS fun.



That's your opinion, and you know what? It's totally ok.

You have a perfectly valid opinion and its absolutely fine.

But that doesn't mean that we should completely stop all all-star matches because you and the pros don't like it.

They said themselves on SOTG that they hardly watched the finals anyways.

Most of the paying customers love seeing a bit of personality and a bit of fun.

And thats totally fine too.

Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 14 2011 16:06 GMT
#30971
Some of the best BW times are watching the all-star team battles with relay team melee, offrace battles (bisu vs flash secretly offracing?), and general lightheartedness.

Fuck the idea that esports has to be serious all the time.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 14 2011 16:07 GMT
#30972
On September 15 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:
I don't understand the EU rage. The bias against the Korean scene is even worse. Korea has 99% of the top players and yet the spend more time bashing it than they do talking about the good players.


Well you make up for that by making 99% of your posts bashing foreign players and telling the world how hard Koreans pwn all.


Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 14 2011 16:15 GMT
#30973
On September 15 2011 01:06 Dfgj wrote:
Some of the best BW times are watching the all-star team battles with relay team melee, offrace battles (bisu vs flash secretly offracing?), and general lightheartedness.

Fuck the idea that esports has to be serious all the time.


I think it's a bit different between Broodwar and SC2.

I think you see enough "non-serious" play in SC2 scene so maybe that's why these showmatches aren't as fun or anything like that compared to the Broodwar all-star games.

But you are totally right!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#30974
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 14 2011 16:37 GMT
#30975
On September 15 2011 01:07 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 01:04 Blasphemi wrote:
I don't understand the EU rage. The bias against the Korean scene is even worse. Korea has 99% of the top players and yet the spend more time bashing it than they do talking about the good players.


Well you make up for that by making 99% of your posts bashing foreign players and telling the world how hard Koreans pwn all.




You trying to pretend they don't?
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 14 2011 16:37 GMT
#30976
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints.


I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
eltese
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden369 Posts
September 14 2011 16:39 GMT
#30977
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints.



Would be weird and maybe even devastating to get rid of their best casting duo (not all agree with this I know, but most do).

If its not a fantastic code A game or a foreigner playing I just will not watch that series if it isn't Wolf casting it. Or rather.. I'll watch it if i feel like i have the time but i wont be upset if i miss it.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 14 2011 16:40 GMT
#30978
On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints.


I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them.


Code S would still be great without them. They would be a big loss, and I'd be perhaps less likely to watch Violet vs Kean without them. But it would still have all the worlds best players so people would still watch.
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
September 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#30979
To be honest, Tastosis' casting has gone downhill in the past few seasons.

Having 20/32 Terrans might do that to you, but even so. There's only so much more talking about other games I can handle. "oh god Artosis, have you played Chrono Trigger? That game is ACTUALLY legit."

Just talk about Starcraft 2 please.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#30980
On September 15 2011 01:40 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:
On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints.


I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them.


Code S would still be great without them. They would be a big loss, and I'd be perhaps less likely to watch Violet vs Kean without them. But it would still have all the worlds best players so people would still watch.


I'll rephrase: it would suck to have code S without them.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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