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On September 14 2011 22:41 EvOr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:39 Socke wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 mcc wrote:On September 14 2011 22:04 Frankon wrote:On September 14 2011 22:00 SinCitta wrote:
As Europeans, we should more ask ourselves why there isn't a European-centric counterpart. There was one. Sadly it died quicly. Martjin, Maven and Pholon had a weekly show (which started with a showmatch) I think the issue is the hosts. If Rotterdam + whoever from HasuObs/Socke/Naniwa/Thorzain/Mana/TLO/White-ra  /Tarson/Cloud/Morrow.. did the show and the chemistry would be there a lot of people would have watched I would guess. well, we have something kinda similar going (last episode here http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=918), but its only in german D: If you're a host there, I'm so sad I don't speak german right now :'( :'(
Listening to it now, a little old but nice .
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On September 15 2011 02:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
Oh wow, first time that one of your posts don't make me happy.  Worst of all, there is truth in what you say. I also frowned upon Tasteless last MLG.
It's pure speculation tho, don't take it as I have some inside info, which I don't have =)
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If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots."
Yet when people get on his case for doing Warhammer or working out or SOTG or ITG or coaching or casting or a 2v2 stream instead of proper practicing, he says its because people cannot "be serious and practice 100% of the time and need time to rest and enjoy life."
Why can't that apply to the rest of us.............
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On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted.
First of all, holy shit you post a lot.
1) Casting less doesn't mean it's bad or anything negative. I don't want Tastosis to be casting random code A qualifiers just so I can see them cast. I'd rather have them used sparingly for important stuff (Code S). Because good casters shouldn't have to cast 24/7 or you get tired of them and I don't want them to get worn out.
2) More casters means expansion as they probably anticipate Tastosis traveling a lot in future (MLG for one). Plus, they might want specific duos for Code A and GSTL.
3) When did criticising a tournament's format turn into "random bashes." If anything GSL is super aware of how sometimes the structure can be bad and hence GSL-MLG exchange program that allowed DRG to get into Code S and more attempts to inject foreigners into Code A.
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On September 15 2011 02:35 coolcor wrote:
Oh I just remembered the tastosis documentary they can't leave before that can they? So they will probably be staying at their current (low) number of GSL casts. Though I still don't know what exactly the documentary would be showing them doing anyways.
I don't see how this has anything to do with this we are talking about?
And thanks Condor Hero, excellent post and exactly my words.
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On September 15 2011 02:21 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:10 coolcor wrote:On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on I think he's talking about GOM hiring 4 casters at the same time for the code A side for some reason. Though with the weekend tournament and all the flights tastosis takes to foreign events they might find having 4 useful. I bet a foreign tournament has the resources and would love to outbid GOM for tastosis's pay though so I don't think it is a crazy idea. Artosis didn't move to Korea for the money
Well he's no longer 19 either..
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On September 15 2011 02:42 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:21 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 02:10 coolcor wrote:On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on I think he's talking about GOM hiring 4 casters at the same time for the code A side for some reason. Though with the weekend tournament and all the flights tastosis takes to foreign events they might find having 4 useful. I bet a foreign tournament has the resources and would love to outbid GOM for tastosis's pay though so I don't think it is a crazy idea. Artosis didn't move to Korea for the money Well he's no longer 19 either..
Artosis was like 26 when he left for kor.
edit: maybe more like 24.
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On September 15 2011 02:41 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted. First of all, holy shit you post a lot. 1) Casting less doesn't mean it's bad or anything negative. I don't want Tastosis to be casting random code A qualifiers just so I can see them cast. I'd rather have them used sparingly for important stuff (Code S). Because good casters shouldn't have to cast 24/7 or you get tired of them and I don't want them to get worn out. 2) More casters means expansion as they probably anticipate Tastosis traveling a lot in future (MLG for one). Plus, they might want specific duos for Code A and GSTL. 3) When did criticising a tournament's format turn into "random bashes." If anything GSL is super aware of how sometimes the structure can be bad and hence GSL-MLG exchange program that allowed DRG to get into Code S and more attempts to inject foreigners into Code A.
I know all of that. For 1/, tell me how you feel when your boss divide per 3 your amount of work hours. I know there are counter arguments to that, but that doesn't mean it's always false. It could mean other things, or it could mean it. I still can't believe they're not casting the GSTL, which is the big new thing this season.
In yesterday stog : "I didn't even watched the all stars, I knew it would be something idiotic again". Really ? I'm all for employees being critical to their employers, just the two only people who are critical to their employers in this industry are tasteless and artosis. And they're not critical in a good way, they're bashing like they're not even watching GSL.
Tasteless at last MLG : "I promise you this game will be good, it won't be some boring game like we have at GSL". Really ? Especially when it's 2 code S players playing...
I would be glad to be wrong, everyone here is reacting like I wish they leave GSL tt
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On September 15 2011 02:39 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots." Yet when people get on his case for doing Warhammer or working out or SOTG or ITG or coaching or casting or a 2v2 stream instead of proper practicing, he says its because people cannot "be serious and practice 100% of the time and need time to rest and enjoy life." Why can't that apply to the rest of us.............
incontrol is hella hypocritical there's really no surprise there
ask him about when people would criticize the NASL and he'd freak out and a day later on some show would turn around and criticize some other tournament and say "it's my right to criticize" when called out on it. which it is certainly his right to criticize whatever, it's just a funny double standard
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On September 15 2011 02:48 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:41 Condor Hero wrote:On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted. First of all, holy shit you post a lot. 1) Casting less doesn't mean it's bad or anything negative. I don't want Tastosis to be casting random code A qualifiers just so I can see them cast. I'd rather have them used sparingly for important stuff (Code S). Because good casters shouldn't have to cast 24/7 or you get tired of them and I don't want them to get worn out. 2) More casters means expansion as they probably anticipate Tastosis traveling a lot in future (MLG for one). Plus, they might want specific duos for Code A and GSTL. 3) When did criticising a tournament's format turn into "random bashes." If anything GSL is super aware of how sometimes the structure can be bad and hence GSL-MLG exchange program that allowed DRG to get into Code S and more attempts to inject foreigners into Code A. I know all of that. For 1/, tell me how you feel when your boss divide per 3 your amount of work hours. I know there are counter arguments to that, but that doesn't mean it's always false. It could mean other things, or it could mean it. In yesterday stog : "I didn't even watched the all stars, I knew it would be something idiotic again". Really ? I'm all for employees being critical to their employers, just the two only people who are critical to their employers in this industry are tasteless and artosis. And they're not critical in a good way, they're bashing like they're not even watching GSL. Tasteless at last MLG : "I promise you this game will be good, it won't be some boring game like we have at GSL". Really ? Especially when it's 2 code S players playing...
I just feel you are overreacting a bit. From what i know Tastosis ASKED for less airtime, not the other way round. Rest is speculation and cherrypicking the few times they say something negative.
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On September 15 2011 02:48 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:41 Condor Hero wrote:On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted. First of all, holy shit you post a lot. 1) Casting less doesn't mean it's bad or anything negative. I don't want Tastosis to be casting random code A qualifiers just so I can see them cast. I'd rather have them used sparingly for important stuff (Code S). Because good casters shouldn't have to cast 24/7 or you get tired of them and I don't want them to get worn out. 2) More casters means expansion as they probably anticipate Tastosis traveling a lot in future (MLG for one). Plus, they might want specific duos for Code A and GSTL. 3) When did criticising a tournament's format turn into "random bashes." If anything GSL is super aware of how sometimes the structure can be bad and hence GSL-MLG exchange program that allowed DRG to get into Code S and more attempts to inject foreigners into Code A. I know all of that. For 1/, tell me how you feel when your boss divide per 3 your amount of work hours. I know there are counter arguments to that, but that doesn't mean it's always false. It could mean other things, or it could mean it. I still can't believe they're not casting the GSTL, which is the big new thing this season. In yesterday stog : "I didn't even watched the all stars, I knew it would be something idiotic again". Really ? I'm all for employees being critical to their employers, just the two only people who are critical to their employers in this industry are tasteless and artosis. And they're not critical in a good way, they're bashing like they're not even watching GSL. Tasteless at last MLG : "I promise you this game will be good, it won't be some boring game like we have at GSL". Really ? Especially when it's 2 code S players playing... I would be glad to be wrong, everyone here is reacting like I wish they leave GSL tt
For the All-stars I believe Artosis was referring to the BW all-star games (which is all he has had experience with up to this point) and they were indeed mostly idiotic.
As for Tasteless I believe he was referring to the GSL Finals which mostly has been noob smashing and just terrible games from any perspective.
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On September 15 2011 02:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:03 hugman wrote:On September 15 2011 01:57 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2011 01:37 Whitewing wrote:On September 15 2011 01:30 MrCon wrote:
Btw, everything is pointing to the direction of Tastosis contract not being reconducted.
4 casters in addition of tastosis is too much, and tastosis trashing GOM's events on air are hints. I doubt it, people almost universally agree that Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo period, and that code S would suck without them. I know, but everything is still pointing in that direction. Don't forget that we'll have Khaldor soon there. Khaldor + Wolf should be good. And another hint is that Tastosis aren't casting anything anymore. Even code S which they cast when they have time (= when the more important MLG is not around). "Everything" is pointing towards it? Like what? The fact that Artosis said he didn't like the format? That's not much to go on - less and less cast time (now they're casting what ? 8 days per months, 6 days when there is an MLG ?) - 4 casters in addition - random bashes of GSL in public appearances I'm not saying it's a sure thing, just that it wouldn't surprise me if that their contract would not be re conducted.
As far as I know Doa isn't full time in Korea. He still has a wife in the USA. Not to mention could it be that Tastosis goes to MLG since they have a partnership with GOM.
Also don't they only have maybe Wolf and Moletrap there full time and Khalador coming. Not to mention they now have Code S, Code A, Team League and Arena of Legends.
As for Tasteless not knowing the scene. It just may be that he doesn't spend as much time with the teams. Artosis has been going around filming pro-sc players since BW. It's in his habit while Tasteless just casted for GOM when he went to Korea.
Lastly I think Tyler was talking as Lucifron as not a fully developed player since he hasn't seen him in many international tournaments (or he's new to RTS), thus he hasn't gotten into a usual rut yet. (but this is just purely speculation on my part.)
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On September 15 2011 02:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:19 mcc wrote:On September 15 2011 00:54 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 15 2011 00:46 MrCon wrote:On September 14 2011 21:29 Hassybaby wrote:
I'm genuinely struggling to see how much criticism the cast gave to the all-star matches. It was clearly going be a dickabout thing, and the Koreans are regularity accused to basically being robots. Then they do something fun, and people are like "wtf is this? why are they doing something stupid?" In the same thinking, does that not make the TL Attack stupid? Both Tyler and Geoff did a TL attack back in BW for fun. Hell, that would make Funday Monday stupid as well. It just feels like such a double standard This is 100% double standard. The Korean scene is the only one the hosts can ditch without consequences, so they just do that. I can't believe what they said about the all star matches, which was one of the best sc2 show to date. In fact, last Saturday was one of the best sc2 day to date. The hosts are more and more uninformed about what they aren't involved in, they should stick talking about the state of the game, it would be better for everyone. For us because 2 hours talks about MLG groups and judgments about things they don't watch is boring, and for them because having such uneducated views don't make them exactly shine. Whats even worse was the fact that Incontrol had the gall to go ahead and call people stupid for enjoying it. Newsflash: We're the ones that are paying to watch you play. We are paying for you to make a living off this videogame. How do they, or any of the panelists for that matter, have the right to insult viewers who liked that all-star game? They didn't even watch the finals, which had some of the best TvT of SC2 so far. Whats more, they were completely uninformed about the event itself, and are so out of touch with the Korean scene it's disheartening. "The All star match was played for money" Incorrect. You're confusing it with the Arena of Legends tournament. Great coverage there. As was said before in previous posts, both Tyler and Incontrol have hosted TL Attack before, and this seems to have slipped their minds. The all-star game was broadcasted free of charge, and was a fun event. But of course, we can't have fun in SC2. I don't really want to check but did InControl actually call anyone stupid for watching all-star matches ? As far as I remember he said that people watching it have too much time on their hands and there are better ways to spend it. Which is arguably true, but if not than it is purely subjective thing and his opinion is valid in the same way as yours. Also everyone has right to insult everyone else in this fashion, unless you live in some kind of dictatorship (I am still unsure you are actually not making his insults up). Artosis and I think JP watched the finals and Tyler and Day9 did not and I have no idea about InControl. And in many people's opinion TL Attack is fun, whereas all-star matches are just brain-dead boring nonsense (and yes it is subjective opinion, but so are all opinions on the matter). Your indignation because they are actually expressing opinions that hurt noone is just pretentious. And to add they(Artosis) said that 1st game was probably best TvT to date. I have to wonder if the people bitching here are actually watching the same show and if they are it seems they hear only what they want to hear. Incontrol said, and I quote: If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots." Buh bow. So that's one point shut down. I actually re-read your post, and I can't believe what I was seeing. Everyone has the right to insult someone else on the things they like to watch? Well sure that is true, but in the same vein, I can't be offended? I'm not allowed to be disgusted that i'm being ostracized for not being an elitist 1v1 fan. My indignation of their opinions? They're insulting the viewer base and me personally on my tastes. Ah, sorry. I'm supposed to be insulted and like it because one of the guys has gotten 4th place at a tournament once. Your eagerness to blindly defend the opinions of people you don't know speaks volumes about you however.
Ah, so he actually did not say stupid, seems I remembered correctly that fact.
Yes, you can be offended if you want, but your post that I was responding to was not about being offended, but in the vein "How dare they express their opinions that I find offensive, they should shut up as it is my precious self that earns them their money". You were making "they ought to, because I want to" statement. That is what I had problem with, not really your subjective indignation, which is also funny, but kind of irrelevant.
Also noone was ostracizing you, he just said that people wasting time watching that are idiots. I actually think it was far from serious statement. But even if it was, so what ?
Baseless assumptions, why I am not surprised. Check my posting history if you want you will see that I really have no problem criticizing InControl. I was not even defending him, I was attacking your badly constructed argument.
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On September 15 2011 02:49 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:39 nvs. wrote:If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots." Yet when people get on his case for doing Warhammer or working out or SOTG or ITG or coaching or casting or a 2v2 stream instead of proper practicing, he says its because people cannot "be serious and practice 100% of the time and need time to rest and enjoy life." Why can't that apply to the rest of us............. incontrol is hella hypocritical there's really no surprise there ask him about when people would criticize the NASL and he'd freak out and a day later on some show would turn around and criticize some other tournament and say "it's my right to criticize" when called out on it. which it is certainly his right to criticize whatever, it's just a funny double standard
Incontrol never said that people couldn't criticize the NASL, just that they were overly harsh on them. He isn't far off, since the TL community is harsh on everything. He was also involved with NASL, so he is going to stick up for them.
People are really harping on how he spends his free time, which is wrong. If he wants to play some 2v2s with Puma, good for him. If he is nice enough to stream those games and let us in on the fun, great. He is a free man and can tell stupid people they are dumb for telling him he can't have fun. Can't hate a man for telling the truth. If someone tells me how to spend my free time, I might spend some time telling them how dumb they are.
Do you ever wonder why Tyler doesn't tell us much about how he spends his free time? It's because he know's how the community will react. Here is a hint, it won't be positive or rational.
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Also noone was ostracizing you, he just said that people wasting time watching that are idiots. I actually think it was far from serious statement. But even if it was, so what ?
It's the same reason people watch him and Puma off-race 2v2................. T.T
People who watch his stream are idiots too then.
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On September 15 2011 03:01 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 15 2011 02:19 mcc wrote:On September 15 2011 00:54 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 15 2011 00:46 MrCon wrote:On September 14 2011 21:29 Hassybaby wrote:
I'm genuinely struggling to see how much criticism the cast gave to the all-star matches. It was clearly going be a dickabout thing, and the Koreans are regularity accused to basically being robots. Then they do something fun, and people are like "wtf is this? why are they doing something stupid?" In the same thinking, does that not make the TL Attack stupid? Both Tyler and Geoff did a TL attack back in BW for fun. Hell, that would make Funday Monday stupid as well. It just feels like such a double standard This is 100% double standard. The Korean scene is the only one the hosts can ditch without consequences, so they just do that. I can't believe what they said about the all star matches, which was one of the best sc2 show to date. In fact, last Saturday was one of the best sc2 day to date. The hosts are more and more uninformed about what they aren't involved in, they should stick talking about the state of the game, it would be better for everyone. For us because 2 hours talks about MLG groups and judgments about things they don't watch is boring, and for them because having such uneducated views don't make them exactly shine. Whats even worse was the fact that Incontrol had the gall to go ahead and call people stupid for enjoying it. Newsflash: We're the ones that are paying to watch you play. We are paying for you to make a living off this videogame. How do they, or any of the panelists for that matter, have the right to insult viewers who liked that all-star game? They didn't even watch the finals, which had some of the best TvT of SC2 so far. Whats more, they were completely uninformed about the event itself, and are so out of touch with the Korean scene it's disheartening. "The All star match was played for money" Incorrect. You're confusing it with the Arena of Legends tournament. Great coverage there. As was said before in previous posts, both Tyler and Incontrol have hosted TL Attack before, and this seems to have slipped their minds. The all-star game was broadcasted free of charge, and was a fun event. But of course, we can't have fun in SC2. I don't really want to check but did InControl actually call anyone stupid for watching all-star matches ? As far as I remember he said that people watching it have too much time on their hands and there are better ways to spend it. Which is arguably true, but if not than it is purely subjective thing and his opinion is valid in the same way as yours. Also everyone has right to insult everyone else in this fashion, unless you live in some kind of dictatorship (I am still unsure you are actually not making his insults up). Artosis and I think JP watched the finals and Tyler and Day9 did not and I have no idea about InControl. And in many people's opinion TL Attack is fun, whereas all-star matches are just brain-dead boring nonsense (and yes it is subjective opinion, but so are all opinions on the matter). Your indignation because they are actually expressing opinions that hurt noone is just pretentious. And to add they(Artosis) said that 1st game was probably best TvT to date. I have to wonder if the people bitching here are actually watching the same show and if they are it seems they hear only what they want to hear. Incontrol said, and I quote: If anyone says "ah it was just for fun, you're an idiot, I say no. YOU guys are idiots." Buh bow. So that's one point shut down. I actually re-read your post, and I can't believe what I was seeing. Everyone has the right to insult someone else on the things they like to watch? Well sure that is true, but in the same vein, I can't be offended? I'm not allowed to be disgusted that i'm being ostracized for not being an elitist 1v1 fan. My indignation of their opinions? They're insulting the viewer base and me personally on my tastes. Ah, sorry. I'm supposed to be insulted and like it because one of the guys has gotten 4th place at a tournament once. Your eagerness to blindly defend the opinions of people you don't know speaks volumes about you however. Ah, so he actually did not say stupid, seems I remembered correctly that fact. Yes, you can be offended if you want, but your post that I was responding to was not about being offended, but in the vein "How dare they express their opinions that I find offensive, they should shut up as it is my precious self that earns them their money". You were making "they ought to, because I want to" statement. That is what I had problem with, not really your subjective indignation, which is also funny, but kind of irrelevant. Also noone was ostracizing you, he just said that people wasting time watching that are idiots. I actually think it was far from serious statement. But even if it was, so what ? Baseless assumptions, why I am not surprised. Check my posting history if you want you will see that I really have no problem criticizing InControl. I was not even defending him, I was attacking your badly constructed argument.
I think you have to be a real super serious guy to take offence when Inc said anyone who knew what it was going to be and enjoyed it an idiot.
Then again looking at this thread there are a whole bunch of super serious people who get mad about the dumbest things, so what the hell.
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On September 15 2011 03:03 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +
Also noone was ostracizing you, he just said that people wasting time watching that are idiots. I actually think it was far from serious statement. But even if it was, so what ?
It's the same reason people watch him and Puma off-race 2v2................. T.T People who watch his stream are idiots too then.
That does not follow in the slightest. But even if I accepted your inference, what does it have to do with my point.
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My 2 pence on the all star matches; when I saw the list of players and the match ups I was like 'OMG this is such a good idea. All the finals have sucked so bad and this one probably will too, giving the event some higher value with these sick games is genius.'
Then I turn it on and they're all mucking about and off racing and giving trying-too-hard-to-be-funny interviews, and I'm like 'wtf is this boring bullshit. Excuse me while I watch Destiny youtube videos for an hour until the finals are on'. Basically if it was going to be joking around and off racing...fucking bill it as that. Don't cock tease me with your incredible player list then slap me in the face with it.
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On September 15 2011 02:42 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:35 coolcor wrote:
Oh I just remembered the tastosis documentary they can't leave before that can they? So they will probably be staying at their current (low) number of GSL casts. Though I still don't know what exactly the documentary would be showing them doing anyways. I don't see how this has anything to do with this we are talking about? And thanks Condor Hero, excellent post and exactly my words.
I thought the documentary was talking about how they were going to set up with tastosis in Korea and a bunch of the money would be going to that so I didn't think they'd be moving back to America to cast foreign tournaments full time. I just figured it would be weird to have a documentary about starcraft casters right after they stop casting GSL.
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