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acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:04:53
August 31 2011 14:04 GMT
#30301
Would be nice if fungal did slow + damage instead of stun + damage. 80-90% movement speed reduced?

Oh, and btw, awesome show...was dieing of laughter.
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
August 31 2011 14:08 GMT
#30302
On August 31 2011 17:48 Ampster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 16:02 iCanada wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:58 Ampster wrote:
About Jeff's point of fungal being undodgeable when casted, maybe they might have to bring back the idea of fungal being a missile projectile again.


Well, forcefield is also undodgeable as well...

That was a good episode, keep up the good work guys. I laughed soo hard, poor Artosis.

ALSO, WTF? Why no Terran/Zerg player? sooo biased SotG! You're ruining esports!



Yes, forcefield is undodgeable. Comparing forcefield to fungal is like comparing an apple to an orange.

Spell - Response
Forcefield: instant cast, block movement. - go under or over forcefield, use massive unit to crush it.
Fungal: instant cast, deals damage, stun effect - literally nothing you can do.


When a Protoss splits your army in half, or even just prevents reinforcements, there is literally nothing you can do, unless you are, for some strange reason, using Thors or Ultralisks against Protoss.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:28:43
August 31 2011 14:26 GMT
#30303
I agree with the nada beating puma moment.

I felt like the crowds at MLG really fueled Nada's fire and gave him renewed enthusiasm and confidence. Same for boxer at anaheim, you could see him really soaking it in after each set.

I'm guessing bw crowds were a bit more like this, and feeling it again really got to them.

Also can we get some zerg and terran on the show? I don't care about bias, but I feel that protoss issues get explained and discussed in great detail (because that is their expertise) and terran and zerg changes kinda get glossed over and not given a lot of discussion.

For example, talking about the vision change, and how it effects warp in, forcefields, and blink, and how the blinkstalker change effects PvP was great and very insightful. but there was none of that concerning terran or zerg. I would love to know the intracacies of how 5 seconds on the barracks changes terran timing. Does it only change the 11/11, or does it also nerf the hell out of some other terran 1-base play (here's hoping). The drone attack fix is huuuuge and I don't think it even got mentioned.
There was also a well-hidden change to flying unit clumping mechanics in combat, that I think could really mess with TvT air battles, and maybe even PvZ void ray/phoenix.

and also, please try to get a zerg besides Idra. Although he's easy to reach, and he's often considered a top foreigner zerg, he is pretty useless in any kind of discussion, and I'd love to hear some more forward thinking zergs speaking out.
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
August 31 2011 14:28 GMT
#30304
On August 31 2011 22:46 captainwaffles wrote:
Listening to it right now before I have to leave for class, just a thought JP-

I think it would be good to have a Terran player on when talking about the balance changes, hell even Zerg plays for that matter. Just nice to have other perspectives, lets not kid ourselves we all have biases for the race we play, having the other perspectives would be really awesome :D

You have Inside the Game for that. That show is great. Protoss is still completely OP over there. Immortals will apparently break PvT... because, y'know, terrans really struggle in that matchup.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
August 31 2011 14:29 GMT
#30305
You guys really need a terran on the show lol
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
August 31 2011 14:36 GMT
#30306
I love the general discussions on State of the Game, but when it comes to the race-specific things, it's mostly Protoss stuff, so I just skip over them usually. I listen to Inside the Game for balanced race discussion (the latest episode was good at going over all changes fairly indepth where there was indepth discussion to be had).
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
August 31 2011 14:41 GMT
#30307
Dear JP,

when will you manage to make the VOD links clickable?
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Sixotanaka
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia191 Posts
August 31 2011 14:43 GMT
#30308
On August 31 2011 23:08 Omegalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 17:48 Ampster wrote:
On August 31 2011 16:02 iCanada wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:58 Ampster wrote:
About Jeff's point of fungal being undodgeable when casted, maybe they might have to bring back the idea of fungal being a missile projectile again.


Well, forcefield is also undodgeable as well...

That was a good episode, keep up the good work guys. I laughed soo hard, poor Artosis.

ALSO, WTF? Why no Terran/Zerg player? sooo biased SotG! You're ruining esports!



Yes, forcefield is undodgeable. Comparing forcefield to fungal is like comparing an apple to an orange.

Spell - Response
Forcefield: instant cast, block movement. - go under or over forcefield, use massive unit to crush it.
Fungal: instant cast, deals damage, stun effect - literally nothing you can do.


When a Protoss splits your army in half, or even just prevents reinforcements, there is literally nothing you can do, unless you are, for some strange reason, using Thors or Ultralisks against Protoss.


Isn't that enough reason to mix one or two in to begin with?
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
August 31 2011 14:45 GMT
#30309
On August 31 2011 23:04 nvs. wrote:
I like how Fungal is undodgable because it FORCES Protoss players to split their army up a bit either manually or through hotkeys instead of having 80 units on 1 big ball hotkey.

If players play like that they deserve to lose to mass fungal.

You can't split a 200 supply army because it would take way to much space...

And once Broodlords are out you are forced to Blink forward = instant clumping
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2595 Posts
August 31 2011 14:51 GMT
#30310
On August 31 2011 23:45 Binabik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:04 nvs. wrote:
I like how Fungal is undodgable because it FORCES Protoss players to split their army up a bit either manually or through hotkeys instead of having 80 units on 1 big ball hotkey.

If players play like that they deserve to lose to mass fungal.

You can't split a 200 supply army because it would take way to much space...

And once Broodlords are out you are forced to Blink forward = instant clumping

Watch Huk's lategame PvT on Tal'Darim. I've seen him arc his army across half the map so that it collapses onto the incoming T army. I know you're talking PvZ, but the blanket statement that you can't spread a high-supply army is not right.

Also, if Zerg is engaging you in a location where it's impossible to spread your forces at all, then you're in a good spot, because a location where you can't spread is a narrow choke, exactly where you want the Zerg army charging at you.
The frumious Bandersnatch
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
August 31 2011 14:58 GMT
#30311
On August 31 2011 23:45 Binabik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:04 nvs. wrote:
I like how Fungal is undodgable because it FORCES Protoss players to split their army up a bit either manually or through hotkeys instead of having 80 units on 1 big ball hotkey.

If players play like that they deserve to lose to mass fungal.

You can't split a 200 supply army because it would take way to much space...

And once Broodlords are out you are forced to Blink forward = instant clumping


You never see a broodwar pro, 5 control groups for your army and battling over 4-5 screen lengths was pretty common. Its not impossible in the least, also, you can grab blocks of stalkers and blink them,sort of like vultures had to be grabbed in chunks of 2 or 3 to plant mines. People will find solutions, but those excuses can be handled through pretty good micro that isn't inhuman to do.
Flash Fan!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 31 2011 14:59 GMT
#30312
On August 31 2011 16:46 Bayyne wrote:
So the real question that should be boggling everyone's mind:

Is Alaska Distillery vodka > Grey Goose?

Would like to hear from people that have actually tried both, and who actually drink vodka. =)

If you go to this site and search for vodka, you'll find Permafrost ranked #3 out of 370 vodkas. It's pretty damn good. I prefer it over Grey Goose.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 31 2011 15:04 GMT
#30313
On August 31 2011 23:36 Stiluz wrote:
I love the general discussions on State of the Game, but when it comes to the race-specific things, it's mostly Protoss stuff, so I just skip over them usually. I listen to Inside the Game for balanced race discussion (the latest episode was good at going over all changes fairly indepth where there was indepth discussion to be had).

Is Inside the Game still using PainUser and Idra as Terran and Zerg representative ? If so I think balanced discussion is kind of out the window
horsepire
Profile Joined April 2011
147 Posts
August 31 2011 15:06 GMT
#30314
On August 31 2011 23:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 16:46 Bayyne wrote:
So the real question that should be boggling everyone's mind:

Is Alaska Distillery vodka > Grey Goose?

Would like to hear from people that have actually tried both, and who actually drink vodka. =)

If you go to this site and search for vodka, you'll find Permafrost ranked #3 out of 370 vodkas. It's pretty damn good. I prefer it over Grey Goose.


We bought some Permafrost for our MLG watch party last weekend, and - not like you need MY endorsement when you already have LiquidTyler's - it was excellent.

morpheus2480
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines76 Posts
August 31 2011 15:09 GMT
#30315
On September 01 2011 00:04 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:36 Stiluz wrote:
I love the general discussions on State of the Game, but when it comes to the race-specific things, it's mostly Protoss stuff, so I just skip over them usually. I listen to Inside the Game for balanced race discussion (the latest episode was good at going over all changes fairly indepth where there was indepth discussion to be had).

Is Inside the Game still using PainUser and Idra as Terran and Zerg representative ? If so I think balanced discussion is kind of out the window


Yes they are. And when they discussed the patch notes, it was a better conversation due to all races being represented.

I still love SOTG though.
go go go
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 31 2011 15:17 GMT
#30316
On August 31 2011 23:43 Sixotanaka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:08 Omegalisk wrote:
On August 31 2011 17:48 Ampster wrote:
On August 31 2011 16:02 iCanada wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:58 Ampster wrote:
About Jeff's point of fungal being undodgeable when casted, maybe they might have to bring back the idea of fungal being a missile projectile again.


Well, forcefield is also undodgeable as well...

That was a good episode, keep up the good work guys. I laughed soo hard, poor Artosis.

ALSO, WTF? Why no Terran/Zerg player? sooo biased SotG! You're ruining esports!



Yes, forcefield is undodgeable. Comparing forcefield to fungal is like comparing an apple to an orange.

Spell - Response
Forcefield: instant cast, block movement. - go under or over forcefield, use massive unit to crush it.
Fungal: instant cast, deals damage, stun effect - literally nothing you can do.


When a Protoss splits your army in half, or even just prevents reinforcements, there is literally nothing you can do, unless you are, for some strange reason, using Thors or Ultralisks against Protoss.


Isn't that enough reason to mix one or two in to begin with?

I dunno about terran and thors but i really doubt its possible to just get an ultra or 2 when the protoss starts pushing with sentries
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 31 2011 15:18 GMT
#30317
On August 31 2011 23:08 Omegalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 17:48 Ampster wrote:
On August 31 2011 16:02 iCanada wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:58 Ampster wrote:
About Jeff's point of fungal being undodgeable when casted, maybe they might have to bring back the idea of fungal being a missile projectile again.


Well, forcefield is also undodgeable as well...

That was a good episode, keep up the good work guys. I laughed soo hard, poor Artosis.

ALSO, WTF? Why no Terran/Zerg player? sooo biased SotG! You're ruining esports!



Yes, forcefield is undodgeable. Comparing forcefield to fungal is like comparing an apple to an orange.

Spell - Response
Forcefield: instant cast, block movement. - go under or over forcefield, use massive unit to crush it.
Fungal: instant cast, deals damage, stun effect - literally nothing you can do.


When a Protoss splits your army in half, or even just prevents reinforcements, there is literally nothing you can do, unless you are, for some strange reason, using Thors or Ultralisks against Protoss.

Both can be mitigated with proper positioning
Dodge arrows
ginto
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
August 31 2011 15:21 GMT
#30318
This has probably already been answered, but is there a vod of the MLG show anywhere, I would like to see it as I was MIA when it was live.Thx in advance.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
August 31 2011 15:25 GMT
#30319
On September 01 2011 00:21 ginto wrote:
This has probably already been answered, but is there a vod of the MLG show anywhere, I would like to see it as I was MIA when it was live.Thx in advance.


I have no idea how do you get to see VoDs. But when the streams were on, there was a tab for VoDs and on the left under "Special" menu, there was SoTG listed. It was just 17minutes long with Artosis, Tasteless, Day9 and Incontrol.

Maybe this will help you at least a bit.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 31 2011 15:54 GMT
#30320
On September 01 2011 00:21 ginto wrote:
This has probably already been answered, but is there a vod of the MLG show anywhere, I would like to see it as I was MIA when it was live.Thx in advance.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/watch-all-vod-from-mlg-raleigh/
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