EPTOn June 29 2011 05:46 DharmaTurtle wrote:
Oh hell no. I like his standard response to controversies like these: giggling
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Oh hell no. I like his standard response to controversies like these: giggling
How offensive!
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NonY
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Sigz
Canada86 Posts
People are mad because the perception is they took Incontrol away for another show that is done by EG, basically using Sotg to build up his identity and the team and then ripped him away from the show when it wasn't as beneficial to them, then tried to cover it up saying it is a time issue. Perception is reality. I have to state, Incontrol is free to do as he pleases, as is his team, but the way it went down left a lot of people with a bitter taste in their mouth as it was the best sc2 community show and that is why there is this backlash. No hate on DjWheat, none of this is his fault. Bring back Sotg JP, too much shit in the scene has happened recently, my hope would be to add a terran or zerg with some personality, like TLO... with him trying to recover from his injury this would be a perfect spot to stay involved with the community. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i enjoy SOTG but let's get real here. it does not produce a revenue stream. placing highly in SC2 tournaments provides the high visibility EGs benefactor's require... SOTG provides zero value for the guys who pay the bills at EG. this whining and moaning about EG to me looks like a bunch of hard core game players with little real life experience not understanding how the working world works. its really simple... as a team EG produced a series of sub-standard results (according to EGs internal benchmarks) over an extended period of time. which has happened in the past with 50,000,000 pro teams of all stripes. and what happened? management cracked the whip and said "you guys can keep volunteering doing all this crap and if the bad results continue you'll be replaced". they were probably not directly ordered to give up any certain volunteer activity. they are probably just afraid of losing their jobs. because no direct order was handed out to Incontrol and/or Idra no official statement would be forthcoming. that is how i speculate this went down. either way... if no statement is ever released... they did more for my personal enjoyment than i ever deserved because i paid $0. so i ain't complainin' about nuttin'. great job guys! .... if the show comes back on i'll listen again. if its never on again you guys can be proud that you made a great show. No, people understand it is business that caused the decision to happen. The deception is what people are angry about. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
We should not forget that Incontrol just anounced leaving NASL, so we should not take his commitment to the game, and time constrains lightly. What amuses me is that some very important voice in the comunity can drop "light" insults and it is alright, no matter if there is a reason or not, because that screencap of course doent tell the whole story. By the way, I also wish that SoTG can return soon, the more the merrier, even if I wish it was at a time in thenight that Europe could watch it live. | ||
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Ganjamaster
Argentina475 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote: They can be offended that my reaction to their serious business decisions is amusement but I'm still not insulting them. One could say I had a choice when I made the post to reveal whether or not I'm more inclined to laugh than to take them seriously. And one could argue that choosing to express something that could cause offense is being deliberately insulting. But that'd be a distortion of my act. What's really happening is I have an honest reaction and I report it accurately. There's no disconnection between what actually happened and what I want people to think happened. The notion that there is such a disconnection, or that there ought to be, is one of the very notions EG supports and one that I find particularly amusing. And that's what started this whole thing. Destiny disapproves of the deception and so do I. No one is compelling them to accurately report everything; privacy can be respected. But the deception? What a joke. After laughing so heartily and so often, it got to the point where withholding my laughter would be deceptive. Ha ha ha. I'm bathing in my transparent amusement of EG's amusing opacity. An act can be insulting without being deliberate. Your honest reaction can and probably is insulting to SirScoots and EG. I agree that there is no disconnectiong between your act and your intentions but it is fact that these are perceived as insulting by EG. I also agree on the EG modus operandi you propose and find it amusing as well. | ||
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Geordie
United Kingdom653 Posts
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CrossTheRiver
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tgvPK.jpg) Anxious for your return JP! | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:48 Sigz wrote: Honestly I don't care that much that Incontrol is gone from the show, it is just an oppurtunity for a new face that doesn't necessarily have amazing results (results would be alright though :D) to get a lot more popular in the SC2 community. Incontrol and EG benefitted huge from SotG even though it had no direct link of their sponsors. It literally raised the profile of all EG's players not just Incontrol or Idra, as they got talked about more frequently with a lot of references to Machine, Strifecro etc. and overall EG as an organization and all their events. I just kind of find it stupid that they decided to pull Incontrol from the show as it was what made him have the popularity he has, there is absolutely no way Incontrol would be as popular as he is now without Sotg. People are mad because the perception is they took Incontrol away for another show that is done by EG, basically using Sotg to build up his identity and the team and then ripped him away from the show when it wasn't as beneficial to them, then tried to cover it up saying it is a time issue. Perception is reality. I have to state, Incontrol is free to do as he pleases, as is his team, but the way it went down left a lot of people with a bitter taste in their mouth as it was the best sc2 community show and that is why there is this backlash. No hate on DjWheat, none of this is his fault. Bring back Sotg JP, too much shit in the scene has happened recently, my hope would be to add a terran or zerg with some personality, like TLO... with him trying to recover from his injury this would be a perfect spot to stay involved with the community. This post perfectly sums up why people are upset at incontrol. SotG essentially made him who he was today. EG took advantage of that and stripped him away from the show to help promote their own. They did so in such a shady manner as well. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17183 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:52 MuseMike wrote: No, people understand it is business that caused the decision to happen. The deception is what people are angry about. i dont feel deceived ... any time something with no real financial backing continues to exist i consider it a miracle. where is the deception? | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:56 Ganjamaster wrote: An act can be insulting without being deliberate. Your honest reaction can and probably is insulting to SirScoots and EG. I agree that there is no disconnectiong between your act and your intentions but it is fact that these are perceived as insulting by EG. Yeah definitely, and then we have to go into the meticulous study of separating out and defining the different kinds of acts and what they mean. I don't think the average TL.net user is up for that... But if we did, I would categorize my act as the type of act where it's not accurate to say I actively and deliberately insulted anyone. In other words, it's possible to be insulted without anyone doing the insulting, and that's what happened here! =]! Whatever I did, it wasn't an insult! | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:00 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Yeah definitely, and then we have to go into the meticulous study of separating out and defining the different kinds of acts and what they mean. I don't think the average TL.net user is up for that... But if we did, I would categorize my act as the type of act where it's not accurate to say I actively and deliberately insulted anyone. In other words, it's possible to be insulted without anyone doing the insulting, and that's what happened here! =]! Whatever I did, it wasn't an insult! Just as how I find it funny that you're commenting on an issue that nearly parallels what you went through a few months ago: A streamed shot of a desktop showing a private Skype conversation that shouldn't have been public. I can find that funny without being insulting. <3 you Tyler! Hope you get your practice schedule back together! | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i dont feel deceived ... any time something with no real financial backing continues to exist i consider it a miracle. where is the deception? Wikipedia. Edit: Some people are just nice, and volunteer their time/money for the benefit of others. Wikipedia being a prime example. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Well it seems like that is it. And it saddens me. What reason was there for disallowing Inc from bringing his much appreciated, totally individual input to SOTG? If there was a valid reason, why fuck over fans of the show by hiding it? I feel like something I loved & enjoyed has been taken away from me, for no reason I can discern, and I've been lied to about it. I hope we're all completely fucking wrong and none of the above is true, but....pffff. From where I'm sitting; Dick. Fucking. Move. Guh, and DJ Wheat coming in here and telling us some things have to happen so ESPORTS can grow. Way to be patronising. Us kids, we don't understand the sacrifices that have to be made to the cruel ESPORTS gods. Reminds me strongly of a joke Inc once made; 'You've woken Corporate Wheat.' I saw Wheat recently slap down a noob recently on TL, and part of his argument was that, hey, I'm just a nerd like you guys. Maybe. But I don't get that vibe from his shows. I tried to like them. But too...well, too much like post match analysis in premier league football. Two or three guys trying too hard to be casual, no fluff, and coming off vaguely awkward and formal. All fluff. Sorry, but it's not for me. What I liked was a few friends shooting the shit, talking about something they love in a sincere and unforced way. SOTG. JP's the one who's just one of us nerds. He encouraged people to watch Wheat's shows because he's a fucking cool guy who loves Starcraft. He makes SC Centre because he's a fucking cool guy who wants to help people keep up with Starcraft. Has he gained other things? You bet. Has Wheat encouraged the growth of SOTG? Almost certainly; Wheat seems like a fucking cool guy too. But his shows have gained at SOTG's considerable loss (it seems). That's pretty much the sum of my slightly bitter feelings on the topic. + Show Spoiler + By the way, this growth of ESPORTS thing? Frankly I don't give a fuck. I like watching Starcraft. Those other games? Best of luck to them but I ain't watching. If ESPORTS catches on in a big way; hey, great. If it's a bubble, and all these awesome tournaments and games are as far as we're gonna go; hey, great. Do I want success for everyone passionate about the game? Yup. Do I want people & companies to start acting different in an attempt to ape mainstream sports? For players to become personality-less drones whose opinions are managed by their teams (a la football)? For community driven, casual projects like SOTG to die? FUCK. NO. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i dont feel deceived ... any time something with no real financial backing continues to exist i consider it a miracle. where is the deception? I'm assuming you did not read the last 10-20 pages? The story was that incontrol left SOTG to practice more, yet he stays on ITG. People thought EG was behind it. They denied it. Now it is shown that EG will not allow their members to become a staple in a show that is in somewhat the same realm as ITG. While Incontrol probably does need more time to practice, they blatantly lied about them not wanting their members on SOTG full time. It is pretty obvious where the deception was. Especially when people/players are assuring the community that EG is not affecting the decision in any way. In reality EG does have a say in what happened, they just don't want any bad pr. So the result is a partial lie to make them look good. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i enjoy SOTG but let's get real here. it does not produce a revenue stream. placing highly in SC2 tournaments provides the high visibility EGs benefactor's require... SOTG provides zero value for the guys who pay the bills at EG. EG guys made shoutouts every appearance in this much-loved show. How is this possibly not the kind of exposure a sponsor would want to see... do they need fancy graphics and an actual ad to run? | ||
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:57 DharmaTurtle wrote: Anyways, unsubscribed from EG's shows because of this bullcrap. Anxious for your return JP! Speaking on behalf of Live on Three - I write the show, it is not a EG show, and is insulting to think so. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:00 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Whatever I did, it wasn't an insult! Well, at least until you called them "opake" . I'm not sure if there's a way to interpret that as anything but insulting. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:07 mordek wrote: EG guys made shoutouts every appearance in this much-loved show. How is this possibly not the kind of exposure a sponsor would want to see... do they need fancy graphics and an actual ad to run? They don't have ads on the show 24/7 like the steelseries logo etc? The shoutout section is at the very end of the show and some people stop watching by then. That could be a factor, but who knows we only have info on the result of the decision, not specifics. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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