(Lurker Mod) I have sinned!!!! - Page 11

On August 11 2010 08:51 apriores wrote:
Until Zergling4life will put this mod on EU server, I have made a version not so "professionally" balanced, but for fun.
Map name: Blistering Sands - SC1 Units.
It contains:
Protoss: 1 more unit = Scout;
Zerg: 2 more units = Lurker & Scourge;
Terran: 1 more unit = Goliath
And some units replaced:
Hellion replaced with Vulture
Raven replaced with Science Vessel
EMP Round moved on Science Vessel
Lurker Den requires Lair.

For now, I checked and re-set all stats for Multiplayer only for Terran.
Zerg and Protoss could have some stats from Campaign dependencies. If you find something wrong, PM me, please.
I repeat: I made it for fun, to play with my friends. If you want something better/balanced, you should wait for Lurker mode or lets hope some teams will work for a SC1 Remake.

On August 14 2010 14:51 SFJake wrote:
Thats not the problem... Everyone answers me something as if I was stupid (and I can't blame them), but the problem is way beyond that. I already enabled everything, I have most campaign units... its just -the science vessel- that doesn't show up.

On August 10 2010 04:13 Archerofaiur wrote:

On the topic of lore, I checked in the Broodwar manual and it only mentions just once that the Lurkers are "bred from the hydralisk strain". It doesnt say specifically that it was an assimilated from a hydralisk-related breed (like how the gaurdian was the mutalisk nesting form.

As much as it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to change the lurker from a hydralisk to roach evolution its wouldnt even require a real retcon. They could just put the lines "Kerrigan's new breed of lurkers are morphed from roach DNA. "

On August 11 2010 10:09 Half wrote:


wtf does that have to do with anything.



Those are TWO NEW UNITS. The only thing they retconned is the muta not morphing into anything. I guess the only similarity is one of them playing similar to guardians.

This isn't a unit that "plays similar" to lurkers, its the lurker. We're not asking if the Zerg could theoretically use a "stationary defensive unit". We're asking if the lurker that was removed could be refit into the game.

If the only way the Lurker could be put into the game was if it evolved from the roach. Gameplay does come first, but Acetic is not ignored in favor of it.

it would require a name change, a redesign of the unit by the development team to change the "flavor", similar to the one given to the guardian->Brolord, and artistic modifications, especially for the high rez portrait. That's a noticeable amount of extra effort and work

This would justify pretty well it being scrapped before the final release, and maybe reimplemented in the expansion. The question posed here is "could a variation of the lurker that was removed be refit into the game", not "could zerg theoretically use semi-stationary defense with completely variable stats and skills"

P.S. Also, how would you explain that roaches now have Hydralisks old attack, and no longer spew acid but now shoot darts instead? My answer? I'd say it's similar to how guardians now shoot broodlings, which is why they are called brood lords.

Saying that the brood lord is a new unit is just completely lollerific. The only difference between the guardian is the name, and the fact that they have broodlings. They look almost identical and have the exact same role. It bugs me a lot that brood lords don't mutate from mutalisk, but they obviously don't for balancing reasons.

The line IS crossed. Deal with it.

Basically all they would have to do is change the name. The Lurker already has a different model from SC1. So basicallly they call it the "Spiker" or something.