TvZ Balance Suggestions - Page 58

On August 11 2010 15:58 TheYango wrote:

There are going to be unreasonable players on both sides of the discussion. That doesn't mean the discussion isn't worth having.

On August 11 2010 16:09 Samus wrote:
This is similar to the Ret Paladin Argument trying to get them nerfed in WoW

RET PALA OP, OMG SO OP
But in the arenajunkies it shows that NO or very little ret paladins ever got into the top 100 or even won a tournament.

Same with Terran except some actually get in but i've not seen a Terran actually win a tournament by using reaper rush or so called "OP" strats described in here.




In the Previous post
What i'm trying to say is. Zerg isn't underpowered majorly as some people trying to bring it out to be.

On August 03 2010 04:16 Jimmeh wrote:

Medivacs: Medivacs are expensive. Burrow is cheap and affects every single zerg unit. Medivacs heal one at a time, and have an energy cost to heal. Whilst I understand that they have a really fast heal rate, they're so expensive that they're hard to mass produce without cutting into your army size. Too many medivacs and your main army is overwhelmed, too few and your army dies after repeated battles. They're also amazingly fragile and easily sniped by just a few hydra shots.

On August 11 2010 15:01 travis wrote:
that doesn't mean they don't agree with them... i know for a fact that at least many of them do. though im sure some terrans wouldn't admit it regardless.

On August 11 2010 15:01 travis wrote:
well, ive been playing and watching sc for 12 years now, and im really not too bad at sc2. beyond that, i've heard the opinions of many top players. now, while creative play can indeed make up for a lot, at some point it becomes blatantly obvious that maybe one race has it WAY EASIER than another race.

On August 11 2010 15:05 IdrA wrote:
no amount of creativity is gonna get a zergling past a wallin or an overlord past a marine
zergs midgame army seems very weak, its possible creativity can find a way around that, although when newbies hear the word creativity they picture nydus worms popping up in 2 places at once, which isnt going to be an answer to anything.
but the early game problems with zvt are not going to go away.

On August 11 2010 15:43 IdrA wrote:

if you dont have a problem with reaper rushes or playing off defensive 1 base openings perhaps you should come play on the korean server so you can be first place.
or perhaps you shouldnt give anecdotal evidence from silver league.

On August 11 2010 15:50 Zerksys wrote:
Artosis's (wow that's awkward to say and write) comment was about the average protoss player. Of course it's not all that protoss and terran have been doing but I warrant you that if I go on bnet and play 5 games against a terran 4 of them I'll encounter some form of early reapers. Then if I go onto bnet and play 5 toss players at least one of them will 2 gate rush me another one of them will try to cheese and another 2 might try a botched version of a 4 gate push which works really well regardless of how badly it's executed. He's saying that it's going to take a while for these people who have been abusing these strategies to come to terms with the fact that these strategies don't work any more and try new things. Just as you say that when the zerg nerfs first came and there were a lot of complainers who eventually got over it and tried new things. The reason why zerg players are complaining these days is because we've tried a seemingly endless array of approaches and nothing is working. Terran players can simply alter their build order slightly and we have to start from scratch.

On August 11 2010 15:37 TheYango wrote:

The thing is that reapers eliminate the option of Zerg getting his hatchery before his spawning pool. In SC1, the Zerg economic model was entirely balanced around the fact that in a large percentage of games, Zerg will expand before his spawning pool. Obviously the Zerg has the Queen now, but that functions more as the 3rd, in-base hatchery more than the expansion hatch.

On August 11 2010 08:31 Vokasak wrote:


Hmm? That was practically the first remotely critical post I've made. I find it more frustrating to constantly be reading people's brilliant suggestions on how to improve the game instead of just fucking playing and getting better and allowing the level of play to advance on it's own.

MULEs and Vikings seem too powerful? Live with it. Brood War had a 10-year run with 25 minerals per spider mine, and you even got a great harassment unit for free when you bought three.





One worm died? Big deal. It's a Nydus Network, not a Nydus one-shot-one-way-transport.

On August 11 2010 00:35 driftme wrote:
First of all... ridiculous comparison to organic carapace. Medivac can only heal one unit at once. If you're comparing 13.5hp/sec to the 10hp/sec for burrowed roaches, you have to keep in mind ALL your roaches are regenning 10/sec AT THE SAME TIME. To reach the same level of hp/sec (as a group), you'd need a ton of medivacs.

Also, about your drop complaint... Apparently you're forgetting about overlords and warp prisms.

On August 12 2010 04:06 Shiladie wrote:
Reaper rushes arn't what close a game off, which is why you don't see people 'losing to a reaper rush' Reaper rushes force the zerg player into a very specific confined set of possible strats, all of which extremely hurt the zerg's econ. You don't even need to do damage with reapers for them to win you the day.

It's all about how the terran can do so many different things that spell instant death for a zerg if they are unprepared, that they need to do so many different things to stay alive, simply because there's the threat of it there.