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TvZ Balance Suggestions - Page 14
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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tsutter
United States52 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:23 theSAiNT wrote: While this is true, it was partially a function of the BW map pool. As pointed out many times by various posters, the TvZ mech problems are really exacerbated by the official maps which ALL feature extremely narrow chokes and cliffs for high ground abuse. These heavily favour Terran. I think the slow but powerful mech vs fast but fragile zerg dynamic is nice. The current map pool just doesn't let that play out. This is also true, thats why I think the unfair match-up goes beyond what people are saying. I agree that the maps are the reason it is hard to make a Terran sorry for going such an immobile route. On August 03 2010 10:28 tsutter wrote: this thread is embarrassingly dumb Nice first post, but if this thread is dumb then with that comment it went waaaaaaaaay higher on the dumb scale. Anyway, back to the logical discussions. | ||
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kidcrash
United States620 Posts
The way I way I see it is, although missile turrets and thor make great anti air, you give up a lot of mobility by using them. Vikings on the other hand offer great anti air capabilities while also giving you mobility as well. Adding this upgrade would make controlling the skies more of a commitment on the terrans part. | ||
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sacrificetheory
United States98 Posts
Also make tanks thors and collusus fire slower again and you can up the dmg whatever... but its ridiculous how fast they all fire now after that one patch... You cant time your attack against their shots or anything like that anymore... Boring. remember how you could do that in bw against reavers and tanks? because they fired slow like they should for having such amazing damage. Oh also hydras move like slugs.. whoever said something about zerg being more mobile is off their rocker. Lings are nice tho. Everything else: garbage speed. You guys need to realize that most of sc2 players complaining are zerg. because Zerg SUCKS!. not because we suck at playing it! SO you guys can stop saying we suck at zerg. And we (zerg players) can all just stop playing zerg instead of complaining. | ||
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tsutter
United States52 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:28 ckw wrote: This is also true, thats why I think the unfair match-up goes beyond what people are saying. I agree that the maps are the reason it is hard to make a Terran sorry for going such an immobile route. Nice first post, but if this thread is dumb then with that comment it went waaaaaaaaay higher on the dumb scale. Anyway, back to the logical discussions. i literally recovered my password to point out how awful and retarded this thread (the OP) is lifting and lowering supply depots as an orbital command ability is this guy braindead User was warned for this post | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
This OP must be zerg+clueless. If these changes were to take affect Terran vs. Protoss would be harder then it already is... I don't understand why people make threads about this if they have no idea of how big the changes are. All of the changes the OP suggested are huge in TvP aswell. You can't nerf 1 match up without nerfing another. Also. Zerg are completely fine. The problem is this.. "Oh I lost to vikings, brb thread on TL -> Nerf vikings please" is how 99% of balance changes get started. Blizzard is doing an amazing job with balance. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:10 Apolo wrote: How is it that most players are terran? Count=5000 Top=5000 Terran=1452 Zerg=1253 Protoss=1885 Random=410 1st Protoss -433 2nd Terran -199 3rd Zerg Protoss 38% Terran 29% Zerg 25% Random 8% Then suddenly on the top 100 Terran 42% Protoss 31% Zerg 25% Random 2% Top 5000 is an incredibly small sample size in the scheme of things. The assumption that "most players are Terran" comes from the fact that the Terran-centric nature of this installment of SC2 should favor more Terran players. On August 03 2010 10:10 Apolo wrote: I don't understand why some people have trouble with the words "imbalance" and "overpowered" and start throwing bits as if everyone that says the game is imbalanced are kids who lost games and came to complain to the forums because they don't have the skills to beat "x" combo of units / strategy. Use your brains for once. See that it's several times more likely that the matchups are imbalanced than not, and the people saying the game is already balanced are the ones that should be laughed at and not the other way around. The statistics speak for themselves--Outside of the top 100, any "imbalance" Terran has is overshadowed by some other feature of Protoss. The fact that Terran's percentages outside of the top 100 drop off would seem to indicate that imbalance issues are only hugely relevant within the small window of top players. Most players crying "imbalance" aren't playing at a level where the same issues that cause high-level imbalance would be predominantly relevant. | ||
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tsutter
United States52 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:32 sacrificetheory wrote: Oh also hydras move like slugs.. whoever said something about zerg being more mobile is off their rocker. Lings are nice tho. Everything else: garbage speed. braindead saying zerg has less mobility in TvZ just makes me want to throw up assassinate yourself On August 03 2010 10:32 sacrificetheory wrote:You guys need to realize that most of sc2 players complaining are zerg. because Zerg SUCKS!. not because we suck at playing it! SO you guys can stop saying we suck at zerg. And we (zerg players) can all just stop playing zerg instead of complaining. yeah zerg is horrible is that why idra just won the biggest sc2 tournament 3-0 against a terran zerg is great as long as you have the great fundamentals to go along with them you people crying about TvZ are the ones who 6 pool, run into a wall, alt f4, then run crying to these forums suicide edit: i think the only reasonable balance change i've seen so far is lowering thor air range cuz they just simply put muta down way harder than they should User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:07 Apolo wrote: @Batch I could also nulify your last statement by saying that "Matchups are probably further from 50/50 than most people think." Statements like these are worthless without any kind of justification. I would like to point out that an imbalance that is less significant than 66%/33% should probably be corrected with better maps, and not with nerfs. We can pretty much all agree that the current map pool is terrible--and maps less terrible than these have been 66%/33% in BW competitive play. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:32 sacrificetheory wrote: Oh also hydras move like slugs.. whoever said something about zerg being more mobile is off their rocker. Lings are nice tho. Everything else: garbage speed.. I am the one who stated that Zerg has the best mobility. Yes Hydra's are super slow off creep but if you have any game sense you would know that ON creep they are fast as heck. I fail to see how you think Zerg units are super slow, this is a perfect example of how players don't use Zerg properly and then say that the race is the problem. I think if you build more creep you will be a better player. :p | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
people would just lift off a building quickly. i like the supply depots being able to drop up and down, and Im a zerg player ^_^ i suppose it would mean he's really vulnerable to lings pouring in if he wants to move out, so maybe not a bad change. think proposed mule change is pretty good, as well as viking and thor. | ||
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sLiniss
United States849 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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agleed.agleed
Germany110 Posts
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On August 03 2010 12:01 FlamingTurd wrote: Excellent OP, Terran seriously needs to be nerfed, u brought up a lot of good points. TvZ is just too ridiculous atm. Not really. But I wont go posting EVERYTHING I already stated, if you want you can read above and the last page. IMBA is definitely not the case, it's bad maps and stubborn 1a Zergs. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
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