First Starcraft 2 'dischack' ?

On August 01 2010 23:13 pRo9aMeR wrote:
what a waste of a good name...atleast maybe pwnage is still out there/available

On August 01 2010 23:16 The_Pacifist wrote:
I don't understand why people would do this. What's the point of playing Starcraft 2 if you're not actually going to play Starcraft 2? Sure, people hack for lulz on other games just to piss other people off but going into a 1v1 game to freeze the game every time? Ugh...

EDIT: Actually, maybe to unlock all the unit portraits?

On August 01 2010 23:21 AmstAff wrote:
would be funny if they would just lock/ban/remove sc2 on his battle.net account

On August 01 2010 23:21 muse5187 wrote:
Please send the replays to hacks@blizzard.com

On August 01 2010 23:29 Meldrath wrote:
yeah well hackers and forum trolls come from the same parents... both are equally unable to learn from mistakes.. we will hopefully be seeing a robust response from blizzard in the sense of anti hacks and liberal banning of hackers/spammers/etc

[B]He will be banned, and 60 bucks(if not 100) will have gone to waste. Be happy :D

On August 01 2010 23:30 pzea469 wrote:
whats the big deal? hes gonna be out 60 bucks for nothing, problem solved. We don't have to be sad about how disappointing this is. We can be sad that we can't make different accounts to play different races in ladder, or that we cant sell the game after we have bought it or something like that(idk i'm not that sad about that stuff), but the one thing that having 1 account per person is really good for is to prevent these type of things. He will be banned, and 60 bucks(if not 100) will have gone to waste. Be happy :D

On August 01 2010 23:35 carde wrote:

If he is not banned, however, which I find to be depressingly likely (they will probably do a 'no, bad boy, you will not be allowed to play for a whole _day_' temp-ban) the drop and maphacks will spread.

On August 01 2010 23:28 carde wrote:


Personally I think the account should simply be closed.

On August 01 2010 23:58 AmstAff wrote:


yeah but blizzard cant close a battle.net account, because the user has other games on that account too.
it wouldnt be okay anyway, i mea you hack in sc2 and you get your sc1 and wc3 and wow accounts removed/locked? that cant be right.
blizzard should just remove his sc2 license on his b.net iD and GG NO RE!

On August 01 2010 23:19 cr4ckshot wrote:
there goes $60.

On August 02 2010 00:00 jeebuzzx wrote:
blizz wont ban the account but they usally ban that person from playing ladder

On August 02 2010 00:30 kxr1der wrote:
Just wondering, how do you view the stats of someone you arent friends with? I havent been able to find any sort of search function.

On August 02 2010 00:30 kxr1der wrote:
Just wondering, how do you view the stats of someone you arent friends with? I havent been able to find any sort of search function.

On August 01 2010 22:59 JTP wrote:
i got dischacked for the first time in my life today aswell, he was a zerg too, hes name was Ownage. i knew it was something wierd about him when i saw that name and hes drones idleing in hes base.

On August 02 2010 01:10 Befree wrote:
I guess it is a good thing that it is done so overtly. They certainly will have to fix it now.

On August 01 2010 23:05 Go0g3n wrote:
Dischack was partially available during the final days of the first stage of beta, the developer (on corresponding website) announced that he was going to hold final release until the game release to not let Blizzard cut it in advance.

On August 02 2010 00:56 Teddyman wrote:
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I don't really know the ToS for Google Ads, but I assume the staff can't really do much about this?

On August 02 2010 01:19 Legho wrote:
People on irc and this topic are only giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

See a hacker? Report to blizz, case closed. Dont put them in the spotlight.

On August 02 2010 01:20 ]Grey[ wrote:
Can anyone perhaps shine some light on the mentality of people who hack? I just can't get why someone would do this kind of thing.

On August 02 2010 01:19 Legho wrote:
People on irc and this topic are only giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

See a hacker? Report to blizz, case closed. Dont put them in the spotlight.

On August 02 2010 01:20 ]Grey[ wrote:
Can anyone perhaps shine some light on the mentality of people who hack? I just can't get why someone would do this kind of thing.

On August 02 2010 01:34 andeh wrote:
google only shows the ads that are related to what you've recently searched

On August 02 2010 01:56 Zombee wrote:
he is at 42-0 now, the shocking thing is, he still is in plat xD

On August 02 2010 01:58 Moutas wrote:
Moron "Ownage" has struck again. I hope this guy gets banned real soon.

On August 02 2010 01:23 Go0g3n wrote:


It's fun. Drophacking is as much fun to do as is to read about and watch people go crazy about it, also throwing extra work to admins and in a way helping them in pointing out weak spots, - iCC thrives on that (and become popular because of that).

Maphacking is a lot of fun, not only you actually train your timings and minimap awareness (big time), but also because you have that map security, - that you're in control at any point in time.

On August 01 2010 23:29 Meldrath wrote:
yeah well hackers and forum trolls come from the same parents... both are equally unable to learn from mistakes.. we will hopefully be seeing a robust response from blizzard in the sense of anti hacks and liberal banning of hackers/spammers/etc

On August 02 2010 02:02 Mutaahh wrote:
If he uses a guest key, it would be funny if blizzard can track back the guest pass to the original CD key where it came from.

On August 02 2010 01:56 argie wrote:
There is something strange and ontopic on this screenshot. Find it! (And TeamLiquid, fix if you can...).

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5492/strangee.jpg

On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.

On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.

On August 02 2010 02:46 Inori wrote:

No, it's much simplier. You just need to lose some games to get up. Proven by the fact that a lot of top players are in plat atm with 1-3 loses (Morrow, Dimaga, etc)

On August 02 2010 02:53 esaul17 wrote:
Does anyone know why they only promote you if you lose some matches?

On August 02 2010 03:06 lololol wrote:


Because after you start losing the system is "sure" you've reached your true skill level. If you don't lose at all it will put you against better and better opponents until it's sure of your skill level.
Of course, it may have some bugs/quirks that could lead to strange behavior.

On August 02 2010 03:06 lololol wrote:


Because after you start losing the system is "sure" you've reached your true skill level. If you don't lose at all it will put you against better and better opponents until it's sure of your skill level.
Of course, it may have some bugs/quirks that could lead to strange behavior.

On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.

On August 02 2010 03:17 Windmonk wrote:
If you get disc hacked by him, let us know how good your stats are.

On August 02 2010 01:21 Liquid`TLO wrote:
happened to me 3 times now... this guy is QQ

On August 02 2010 03:23 Necrosjef wrote:
Sad to see this kinda thing happening so early into release.

Only Blizzard to blame though, if they spent more time making battlenet 2.0 better and less time integrating it with facebook we wouldn't be in this situation.

On August 02 2010 03:31 jcxwins wrote:
ive personally played against ownage and beat him? lol
edit he played protoss against me and he lost.

On August 02 2010 03:31 jcxwins wrote:
ive personally played against ownage and beat him? lol
edit he played protoss against me and he lost.

On August 02 2010 03:34 holy_war wrote:
Anyways, its War3 all over again with the disc hacking. At least the 'farm hack' from wc3 that turned all units/structures/gold mines into farms has not showed up yet.

On August 02 2010 03:49 muse5187 wrote:
To the guys getting maphack ads on TL.net, I only get adds that are related to what i type into google search. So... =]

On August 02 2010 03:51 dybydx wrote:
the game just got released, i m pretty sure banning hackers isnt high on the priority list. but fixing bugs could be.

On August 02 2010 03 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              02 2010 03      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:56 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:


fighting against hacks/exploits is always top priority. no matter what. if stuff like that becomes public blizz will not only drown in complaints and lose customers but also take a huge reputation hit .

On August 02 2010 04:05 LittleeD wrote:


Fighting against hacks/exploits is always top priority? Tell that to the Wc3 community and you'd be out-laughed. Maphack has existed since the beginning of time and yet it hasnt been fixed. My trust for blizzard when it comes to fighting hackers has always been awfully low

On August 02 2010 04:14 FindingPride wrote:
its funny people will pay $60 just to piss people off for a day.
sad fucking trash.

On August 02 2010 03:54 Jenslyn87 wrote:
I remember there was some talk about Starcraft 2 being built in a specific way that would ensure that hacking would just not be possible under any circumstances. A shame that isn't actually the case

On August 02 2010 03:15 shalamadoooo wrote:
that sucks, sounds like blizzard will have to actually prevent and solve the exploit. The irc chat was pretty lame even by troll standards, the guy is enjoying the thought that other people *might* get mad but has no way to even confirm it (the game ends so suddenly). Fail troll.

On August 02 2010 03:54 Jenslyn87 wrote:
I remember there was some talk about Starcraft 2 being built in a specific way that would ensure that hacking would just not be possible under any circumstances. A shame that isn't actually the case

On August 02 2010 04:15 moopie wrote:

That would be true if it wasn't for section 8 of the EULA allowing Blizzard to monitor your RAM during play, which allows them to see what programs you have running in the background.

On August 02 2010 02:45 ZidaneTribal wrote:
thats one way to get solo zen master

On August 02 2010 03:46 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
what kind of retard does something like that?

i mean seriously.

he sits in front of his pc for 4 hours doing nothing but wait for the matchmaking to give him a opponent,load screen , press some buttons for 5-20 secs -> repeat

the only thing he achieves is that it gets fixed asap, people flame/laugh at him and he wasted 50$


is this some kind of weird attention whoring of a no life kid or do i miss something?

On August 02 2010 04:42 lethal111 wrote:
Blizzard should just start banning people on the spot, like COD4 did, if u hackd and u got caught, they would hardware ID ban you, and ban your acc/key cd and you would have to reformat your whole pc and buy a new game.
But I think blizzard should like IP Ban you and Hardware ID ban you if you get caught, then they can't play anymore unless they change IP and hwid, and buy a new cd-key

On August 02 2010 04:47 Zocat wrote:


How should this help?
I often run a program which analyzes my incoming network traffic packets individually (for university). And I play games while capturing traffic.
Blizzard cannot ban me for this. (Even some firewalls function this way).

Blizzard can scan for program signatures (assuming the hacks arent sophisticated enough to use some kind of polymorphism) in RAM and they could ban some people using well known hacks.
But they cannot prevent maphacking as a whole as long as the needed data is being transmitted to each player (dont know if this is true, someone stated it in this thread). Just use a hack which isnt well known (no signature in Warden or whatever RAM scanning program they use).


On the other hand: If this IRC guy was the real hacker (which I honestly doubt^^) Blizz can do something against it.
He says he used some kind of flooding - but because all the traffic for SC2 is routed over the blizz servers (preventing LAN latency even while being in a LAN) they can prevent this kind of flooding.

On August 01 2010 23:07 Kiva128 wrote:
Maybe Blizz should have spent less time on Facebook friends feature and more time on fighting B.net hacks. I'm sure it's not easy and requires a lot of time and work but...The game wasn't even out of beta and people had hacks. :/

On August 02 2010 02:18 Wilko wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/791268/1/Ownage/
he dishacked 50 games in a row

On August 02 2010 05:14 kxr1der wrote:
Wow I know this is a big problem but do 50 people in this thread need to say "maybe if they spent less time on facebook..." Seriously do you think the same people worked on he facebook integration and the anti hack software. And even if they did, how long could that have taken. I have personally used the facebook integration and found it to work quite well so I say good job blizzard on that one.

On August 02 2010 04:46 Whole wrote:
Blizzard should hire assassins to kill anyone who hacks. It would be a fool proof way to get rid of them. If you hack, you die, and you can never hack again.

On August 02 2010 05:24 Moita wrote:


I totally fuc**ng agree with this

On August 02 2010 02:25 LittleeD wrote:
Now the SC2 community gets a touch of what the WC3 community has been forced to live with (And even actually developted their OWN protection against because blizzard refuses to act) for several years already.

As long as there is people there will be hacks and unfair methods, its precisely the same no matter what sport your executing. Get over it already

On August 02 2010 05:41 TLOBrian wrote:
I don't agree at all.

I do agree that facebook integration wasn't needed.

I do agree that blizzard could have spent funds for FB in balancing, server issues, and real community issues.

And yes, 50 people DO need to say this.

Maybe if they spent less time on facebook this would have been stopped, the races would be balanced, and zerg wouldn't be so boring to play.

51.

On August 02 2010 00:56 Teddyman wrote:
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I don't really know the ToS for Google Ads, but I assume the staff can't really do much about this?

On August 02 2010 05:49 PokePill wrote:
The entire Warcraft 3 ladder has been like this since 2006. There are more hackers than legit players. D2 is like this, where it is normal to maphack, and normal to bot. This is not an exaggeration, get used to it because ALL blizzard games are like this and people really shouldn't have expected anything different.

Now all hackers have unlimited guest passes to use as well. This is only the first exploit of probably a couple dozen, I think Warcraft has had maybe 10 different tie/disc hacks, and each took months to patch. And the funny thing is Blizzard can't even catch the hackers with warden, they always patch the client 1.24e or something for example and then all the hackers know its an anti-hack patch and they just stop until the exploit is given new offsets or something, and keep their account. Wait until this is public (It took me 5 minutes to find out there was one released in the beta), and THOUSANDS of nerds will be doing this.

On August 02 2010 05:49 PokePill wrote:
The entire Warcraft 3 ladder has been like this since 2006. There are more hackers than legit players. D2 is like this, where it is normal to maphack, and normal to bot. This is not an exaggeration, get used to it because ALL blizzard games are like this and people really shouldn't have expected anything different.

Now all hackers have unlimited guest passes to use as well. This is only the first exploit of probably a couple dozen, I think Warcraft has had maybe 10 different tie/disc hacks, and each took months to patch. And the funny thing is Blizzard can't even catch the hackers with warden, they always patch the client 1.24e or something for example and then all the hackers know its an anti-hack patch and they just stop until the exploit is given new offsets or something, and keep their account. Wait until this is public (It took me 5 minutes to find out there was one released in the beta), and THOUSANDS of nerds will be doing this.

On August 02 2010 05:36 argie wrote:
People this is not so bad. Well it is but if Blizzard does the right thing this will die quickly. Let me explain how this specific drophack works and why this can die if Blizzard takes real action. Not just a simple "patch and delay".

This is just a nutshell. There is no actual hack or any kind of instructions so please don't ban me.

Drophacks are VERY SPECIFIC hacks. They can only be executed in right conditions with extremely correct data. They are not like MapHack where all data cannot be encrypted totally and most of it can be intercepted in memory and altered because it is already in your memory and it is coming YOUR way. This works in different direction. This drophack uses UnitAction type to force packet overflow by creating something that game dosen't support. And it creates it during the game and of course game will die. Something like this in the definition of Class which is called by hack.exe:

typedef CUnit* (SC2UnitFunctionSomething* SC2_GetActiveUnit_t) ( void );
static const SC2_GetActiveUnit_t SC2_GetActiveUnit = (SC2_GetActiveUnit_t) <OFFSET HERE>

<sc2 unittype function code here> I won't type the proto code.

On August 02 2010 00:10 Lucid90 wrote:
Thing is, it's profitable to have hackers in games for blizzard. Look at d2 and sc1. Both are plagued with hackers, ranging from bots to map hack to control hacks, and bliz doesn't ban them. Why don't they ban them? Because they can make more money off the game if they ban everybody in one big wave and force them to re-buy the game because probably all the people they knew who played the game also got banned. I don't know if this will happed with SC2 immediately, but over time it's likely to happen because it's a bigger profit margin for bliz.

I regret sending you my code so much.

On August 02 2010 06:04 KillerPlague wrote:
^i think we found rolle3k...

On August 02 2010 06:08 ckw wrote:


What?

On August 02 2010 05:42 KhaosKreator wrote:
Isn't there an easy in-game way to report hackers?

On August 02 2010 06:02 ckw wrote:


Do you play Diablo 2? You get BANNED if you have dupped items. If you are map hacking you get warned one time and then BANNED. Blizzard is tired of this shit and takes is seriously. That guy can say goodbye to his SC2 and go buy a new one.

On August 02 2010 01:34 andeh wrote:
google only shows the ads that are related to what you've recently searched

On August 02 2010 06:11 PokePill wrote:


You are oblivious to the reality of how bad hacks control Blizzard games. Every single rune in Diablo 2 is pretty much duped. Every soj is duped, every perfect item is duped. Hacking, cheating, botting, and duping ARE Diablo 2, the entire economy of the game and gameplay STEMS from private dupes. There are dozens of websites where people make a 6+ figure living off of selling items to people. The annihilus charm requires you to sell SOJs, which was just hilarious, the game developers acknowledging the fact all of its unique items are coming from bots and dupes. It's like having an achievement for maphacking.

On August 02 2010 06:27 JunZ wrote:
Is this still happening? I haven't touched multi-player yet and I'm scared ;(.

On August 02 2010 06:11 PokePill wrote:


You are oblivious to the reality of how bad hacks control Blizzard games. Every single rune in Diablo 2 is pretty much duped. Every soj is duped, every perfect item is duped. Hacking, cheating, botting, and duping ARE Diablo 2, the entire economy of the game and gameplay STEMS from private dupes. There are dozens of websites where people make a 6+ figure living off of selling items to people. The annihilus charm requires you to sell SOJs, which was just hilarious, the game developers acknowledging the fact all of its unique items are coming from bots and dupes. It's like having an achievement for maphacking.

On August 02 2010 02:18 Wilko wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/791268/1/Ownage/
he dishacked 50 games in a row

On August 02 2010 06:02 ckw wrote:
Do you play Diablo 2? You get BANNED if you have dupped items. If you are map hacking you get warned one time and then BANNED. Blizzard is tired of this shit and takes is seriously. That guy can say goodbye to his SC2 and go buy a new one.

On August 02 2010 06:08 Qzy wrote:


If you hold back information about hackers, they aren't there to the common people.

Little timmy doesn't need to know he can report hackers, cos then he knows it's possible to hack... and blizz gets a bad reputation for being lame developers.

Therefore... No ... there'll never be an easy way to report hackers.

On August 02 2010 07:23 muse5187 wrote:



Completely incorrect, send the replays to hacks@blizzard.com or use the webform.

On August 02 2010 07:29 Qzy wrote:


You find that easier than a fat button above every match report saying: "Do you want to report this fucktard"? :D

On August 02 2010 07:31 muse5187 wrote:


Where did I argue that? It takes 5 seconds to send a blank email with a replay.

On August 02 2010 07:35 Qzy wrote:


You said I was completely incorrect? You might know the email, but 99.9% doesn't know it. The best policy for a game dev, imo, is to be open about hacking/cheating and just let the community know: "Press this button, if the opponent cheats".

On August 02 2010 07:39 muse5187 wrote:


what's google do? seriously 99,9%? Be real. The fact that you think blizzard doesn't make that email wide known because they will be a "lame company" is warrant enough to ignore your rant. Don't know why I even posted.

On August 02 2010 07:49 Qzy wrote:


Then we agree... Having an anonymous email is a bad thing, if they want to allow players to report cheaters easily.

On August 02 2010 07:35 Qzy wrote:


You said I was completely incorrect? You might know the email, but 99.9% doesn't know it. The best policy for a game dev, imo, is to be open about hacking/cheating and just let the community know: "Press this button, if the opponent cheats".

On August 02 2010 07:51 muse5187 wrote:


it's plastered all over the blizzard forums and help sections.

On August 02 2010 07:53 Qzy wrote:


C'mon, you know 95% of their playerbase never goes there... Hell I'm a sc2 nerd and I never set my foot in there.

On August 02 2010 07:55 muse5187 wrote:


Like I said anyone who wants to figure it out can use 5seconds of their time on google. And no I don't know 95% of their fan base goes anywhere, I'm not making up #'s like you.

On August 02 2010 08:18 nihlon wrote:
How does a guest pass work? Can he reactivate his account with a second pass for instance?

On August 02 2010 08:07 Qzy wrote:


TL.net is not a flame fest, man...

A lot (perhaps more than 95%?) is more dumb than wood.. that's the fact about humanity. That's where my numbers come from. I doubt more than 5% of the community (blizzards community not TL.net) can figure out how to google (AND FIND!) the email you are talking about. Let alone they have to KNOW the email is out there. PLUS they need to CARE about reporting + they need to know how to spot a hack and not a faulting PC.

On August 02 2010 07:29 Qzy wrote:


You find that easier than a fat button above every match report saying: "Do you want to report this fucktard"? :D

On August 02 2010 08:07 Qzy wrote:


TL.net is not a flame fest, man...

A lot (perhaps more than 95%?) is more dumb than wood.. that's the fact about humanity. That's where my numbers come from. I doubt more than 5% of the community (blizzards community not TL.net) can figure out how to google (AND FIND!) the email you are talking about. Let alone they have to KNOW the email is out there. PLUS they need to CARE about reporting + they need to know how to spot a hack and not a faulting PC.

On August 02 2010 08:42 In_Ri wrote:


Like people buy all their games anyways. Personally, my SC2 key comes from a "lost" shipment that cost me 10e because the box was damaged.

There are also a myriad other ways to obtain SC2 keys. IRC channels of sc2 gamers are by far the most "lucrative" place if you know what you're doing.

Gamers, as a whole, are amongst the worse and least protected people you can find on the net, due to the atrocious number of casuals roaming around thinking they're "the hot shit" for figuring out how to get onto an IRC channel.

HL2 keys by the thousands, SC2 keys by the dozen (atm).

On August 02 2010 08:45 muse5187 wrote:


I hope you're not talking about scamming keys, if so you're at the wrong forum,

On August 02 2010 09:09 In_Ri wrote:


Not scamming. Phishing would be good but is too much of a hit & miss.

Get into an IRC chan, get an IP, scan 4 ranges down and above then probe a variety of admin rights exploits with the appropriate tool.

On average, 254 IPs will give you at least 4 "positive" results. Chances are at least one of them will be using SC2 and crawling your way into their registry/filesystem won't be too difficult to acquire the necessary information.

On August 02 2010 09:14 In_Ri wrote:


But you can smurf accounts and the password is just a lousy MD5. Any cracking tool able to use GPU memory will bust pretty much any code in less than an hour.

On August 02 2010 09:27 Qzy wrote:


The scary thing is... you sound like you know what you are talking about.