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On July 29 2010 06:24 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Damn that site. I glanced at the first page and thought it said tourney date on the first page. So I am now locked out for being to young. Sort of surprising the system didn't pick up I may have made a mistake when I put I was born in the future 
LOL me too, clear cookies from an hour ago (if using FF)
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On July 29 2010 07:59 MyLife wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 07:16 EppE wrote:On July 29 2010 07:13 Saracen wrote:
What does registering the tournament through Blizzard do? What's stopping people from just organizing their own private tournaments? I would assume fear of lawsuits? Little tournaments wont have to worry but think about the HDH that brought in 30k ustream viewers last time. The HDH didnt bring in 30k ustream viewers... lol Most i ever saw it hit was like 14k =/ dont exxagerate.
It did get up to 30k. It was pretty amazing. There was a blissful moment where all advertising sources (like reddit, SA, digg, 4chan, etc.) all converged and the stream got a ton of short-term traffic.
-- And that's 30k simultaneous viewers. Tons of these streams are hitting tons more unique viewers.
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This is awful. The venue can't take a cut of the tournament? You can't have a pay to enter tournament, that is flat out stupid. I am very disappointed.
Doesn't Blizzard want these events to be run and generate hype?
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On July 29 2010 08:29 SpicyCrab wrote:
This is awful. The venue can't take a cut of the tournament? You can't have a pay to enter tournament, that is flat out stupid. I am very disappointed.
Doesn't Blizzard want these events to be run and generate hype?
isnt this only for these automated tournaments.
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Doubtless you can't host a tourney in Korea because that goes through GOM/Gretech.
No paid entry? What about Jinro's sit-n-go idea.
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Hopefully they work out other ways to do automated tournaments. This seems more suitable to small community competitions rather than serious high level tournaments.
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On July 29 2010 08:32 oBlade wrote:Doubtless you can't host a tourney in Korea because that goes through GOM/Gretech. No paid entry? What about Jinro's sit-n-go idea.
This.
I think they should make it legal to organize a tournament with a 5$ pay in or something as prize.
Also.. 500 limit..lol
* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
So.. what does the bold mean?
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My interpretation is that you CAN break the rules. It's just that in that case it will be reviewed by a human instead of their automated system.
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when you fill out the form there is a question about whether the total value of sponsorship is > $5,000 - this standard approval licence limits you to no more than $5,000 in value (cash or in-kind) of sponsorship/prizes for the tournament. I would hope that if you are puttig your own money in it as the tournament organiser it doesn't count as part of the sponsorship but they may argue it is the total prize pool irrespective of where it comes from
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On July 29 2010 08:51 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
My interpretation is that you CAN break the rules. It's just that in that case it will be reviewed by a human instead of their automated system.
As part of the application you have to accept those terms although some of the options you fill out may indicate you breach them it's not clear what happens then - they would have to grant you a special license rather than that proforma one
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I don't know, all these terms are completly stupid imo. Why should Blizz preventing the organizers form making money? They are helping promote thier product, why should they have to do all that work for free. It's not like organizing a tournament is easy or takes little time...
Now being TL is like the smartest collective community in the world, is this even enforcable? We have seen before that EULA's are not enforcable, and this seems to fall in the same category.
I mean I get the Korea part being GOM has exclusive rights but for the US this makes no sense.
Blizz has said they want to make this a global e-sport but seem to be using every chance they get to stifile the foriegn scene....
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On July 29 2010 06:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors; What? Am I reading this right? You can't make sponsorship $ off hosting a tourney?
There are legal reasons for that. There are a shit ton of laws regarding contests and tournaments in the US (and I'm sure other places.)
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Blizzard is trash, rate Starcraft 2 a '1' on Amazon 
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 30 2010 01:47 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I don't know, all these terms are completly stupid imo. Why should Blizz preventing the organizers form making money? They are helping promote thier product, why should they have to do all that work for free. It's not like organizing a tournament is easy or takes little time...
Now being TL is like the smartest collective community in the world, is this even enforcable? We have seen before that EULA's are not enforcable, and this seems to fall in the same category.
I mean I get the Korea part being GOM has exclusive rights but for the US this makes no sense.
Blizz has said they want to make this a global e-sport but seem to be using every chance they get to stifile the foriegn scene....
If I were you I would just email Blizzard at this point. My take on it though is that they don't want people profiting off their game without their approval and perhaps paying them royalities.
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* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
I'm a finance guy, this is so easy to bypass...
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On July 30 2010 01:52 Xyik wrote:Blizzard is trash, rate Starcraft 2 a '1' on Amazon
Heh, Blizzard is probably wishing they never made BW right about now.
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All these terms seem perfectly fine to me. Free to enter, Free to watch, No ads. Limited sponsorship money I'm not sure about, but seems alright to keep it from being too commercialized.
Most of the rest of it is fairly standard legal jargon that I've read 100 times before. They're are just reasonable things, like if someone sues because of something at your tournament, Blizzard is not responsible. I'm sure the 500 person limit is also just a Automated Online Tournament issue to keep from overloading anything.
There will likely be some revision to this in the future, and I'm sure Blizzard will have a special policy for larger case-by-case tournaments, and there is the supposed Pro package of SC2 for LAN style tournaments. Hopefully the tournament system gets fleshed out soon, but this agreement seems totally fine to me for now.
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* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
I have a couple of questions about that. First of all, what's the difference between advertising and sponsors? Couldn't you just say that your advertising your sponsors? 
Also, it says that you can't accept funds from sponsors in EXCESS of $5,000. So does that mean all the online tournaments like the HDH and KOTB are IN THE CLEAR??
Also did the HDH and KOTB have to get this license to host these tournaments, or did they just kind of break the rules by not getting one first?
Lastly, is EVERY tournament considered "online" since there are no LAN capabilities?
EDIT: One more question. Can you work around the "free to enter" clause? For example, I am hosting a "LAN" tournament where we are charging everyone $10 to enter to go towards a prize pool and food/drinks. Could we just say we are charging $10 for like rent of the space instead of actually entering the tournament? Similarly, if you were hosting a tournament online, could you charge $10 for "using the website" as opposed to for the tournament?
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Tbh the only thing that seems silly is the money cap on the tournament. But I think someone posted you are asked if the tournament will have more than that in prizes, not sure what they do if you happen to put that much money in it.
I'm sure there's 1000 holes in that like giving away hardware etc regardless.
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I'm kinda dissapointed in the rules- why would sponsors pay if you can't advertise? Free to play... i guess thats ok... but not really. Free to watch- well until there start being PPV sc2 games...
I feel... sad.
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