Chris 'HuK' Loranger is Canada's great hope in the modern era of E-Sports, specifically Starcraft 2. Being ranked one in the US server on Starcraft 2, Chris shows just how strong his play is compared to other pro-gamers in the world. Cameron caught up with Chris after he got knocked out of the ESL's Go4SC2 cup last week for an interview. The two talk about Starcraft 2, Chris's E-Sports heroes, Protoss and more.
Hello Chris, how are you doing, could you give us a brief introduction of yourself –background of how you got into SC2, etc.-
Well I use to play SC1 then when I heard the beta was out (considerably into the beta already) I decided to run through some old contacts and play. I originally was sharing an ID with silver/gold level players and having to get off whenever the 3 other people wanted to play. But even still with these 3 downers bringing me down everytime I got back on the account I would bring it back to #1 of my platinum divison. Soon after being noticed I was offered my own. Did you have the intention of becoming a professional gamer when you started to play Starcraft 2?
When I first started playing I didn't but after I noticed how well I was doing and how much I enjoyed conquering peoples souls the idea became more and more of a goal.
What are your long term goals with E-Sports, is this something you will stay in for many years to come, or simply a phase?
I hope so, really depends if I can keep at it, the hardest part for me is staying focuses. Its really hard for me to play 10+ hours a day but as long as I can keep the drive I think I can compete with anyone (even korean progamers). Basically I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2.
Gogo HuK I really want non-asian players to start competing in the pro-scene of starcraft, that will make way for the rest of us to get in there and get a taste of the goodness xD
On July 20 2010 04:44 Darkalbino wrote: isnt that the guy that 4gates every MU?
Yes..
No. That's the guy that USED to 4 gate every game. He had good reason to do so, his comp could nto handle above 150 food and would start lagging.
Last night I watched HuK FE twice vs Sheth (iirc). He's a much more versatile player than before and until I see some more Tester action I am convinced he is the top Protoss in SC2 right now.
GL HuK your my second favorite player! (Sorry Sheth has my #1 slot!)
Just joking HuK, I love you :-). Honestly, keep it up, you're doing great and next to TLO you are my favorite player. It's so cool to see foreigners in general do so good instead of watching Koreans all the time. Keep dominating man, gl gl.
On July 20 2010 04:49 ckw wrote: Ratio wise Canada has a lot more better players then the US I feel but there isn't as much support which is really sad for me. -HuK
Just joking HuK, I love you :-). Honestly, keep it up, you're doing great and next to TLO you are my favorite player. It's so cool to see foreigners in general do so good instead of watching Koreans all the time. Keep dominating man, gl gl.
As much as I dislike HuK's play, etc. He is right and wrong Canada isn't exactly a booming eSports country, We Canadians don't get much support as far as games go. US has alot more people = alot more players = alot more *better* players.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Darkalbino wrote: isnt that the guy that 4gates every MU?
lol jk
nice interview....
Did you watch his recent game in the Day[9] tournament v.s TLO? He did damn well and these were 30 minute + games. He isn't just a cheese toss, his macro game is pretty impressive as well as his late game skills in general.
And everyone who hates on his style, and then turns around and hails to WhiteRa is just sad. Again, he is definitely evolving.
I wonder if he is from the good Vancouver side or from the evil eastern side!
Anyway, good interview... interesting stuff. GL Huk!
I really do hope e-sports gets a boost in NA... SC2 is very fun to watch, but just difficult to get into mainstream people's minds. However, once they start watching, they won't stop!
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
On July 20 2010 04:54 One.two wrote: I wonder if he is from the good Vancouver side or from the evil eastern side!
Anyway, good interview... interesting stuff. GL Huk!
I really do hope e-sports gets a boost in NA... SC2 is very fun to watch, but just difficult to get into mainstream people's minds. However, once they start watching, they won't stop!
On July 20 2010 04:54 One.two wrote: I wonder if he is from the good Vancouver side or from the evil eastern side!
Anyway, good interview... interesting stuff. GL Huk!
I really do hope e-sports gets a boost in NA... SC2 is very fun to watch, but just difficult to get into mainstream people's minds. However, once they start watching, they won't stop!
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
I'm sorry both players played like idiots that match. I was expecting much better out of both of them. It was a definite yawn fest.
On July 20 2010 04:49 nam nam wrote: First you are saying the skill cap is too low and then that no one will be able to compete with Asians. It doesn't compute.
Why does it "not compute", the lower skill cap means that the difference between a great player and a very good one will be more subtle, and about the other part... Asians have sick training regimes and determination, and I said that time will tell, not that there is something carved in stone (spelling?).
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
You think it's impressive to cut probes and 5 WG all in on blistering sands? It is the easiest build to execute in the entire game by far. If you surprise your opponent you win. Otherwise you will be at even footing and only have to worry about not getting EMP on your entire army.
As far as Huk go yeah I agree with the statement that he plays an overly aggressive style with pretty clunky transitions. In all the games vs TLO his relied on doing alot of damage or contain his oponent for ages. When that didn't work out he simply lost in the long run.
His skill in terms of macro or micro isn't bad but the builds he's choosing to use are not taking advantage of them and so that's why I think people dismiss him as a gimicky player. Once we see some more streamlined PvT builds (and hopefully new maps) I'm guessing every protoss including Huk will add some variation to their play.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Corvi wrote: i doubt there will be a boxer of sc2. the skill cap is just too low.
Really? Theres a defined skill cap already?!?! Are you sure you dont mean theres a lower learning curve? Theres a vast difference... A skill cap insinuates that there is only so good that a player can get. A lower learning curve (as opposed to bw) just means that its easier to pick up, it has nothing to do with the skill cap.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Corvi wrote: i doubt there will be a boxer of sc2. the skill cap is just too low.
This skill cap is more like a mental cap, cause it's all in your head (not in a rude way, such as to call you a retard). The game is brand new. Do you remember how much skill it took to be "great" at SC1 when it first hit shelves? Probably not, but it certainly didn't require much skill. Sounds like a boring game, right?
Then, mystically, out of the fog of several years' time came the development of great tips and tricks and new things to control or counter! As people expanded their minds, they expanded their own pretended skill cap!
Same thing happens in all games, it'll happen here. A "Boxer", if it must be called that, could be born several years just as was wont to happen for Brood War.
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
An all-in 5 gate was INSANE? I call that stupid.
I was calling the second game INSANE which didn't have an all-in 5 gate. Let me break it down for you.
"Rocked TLO in the first game": 5 Gate was the first game. "INSANE": Battlecruiser game....HuK lost but that game was batshit insane.
On July 20 2010 05:20 urashimakt wrote: I think this thread got mixed up with the "push a player down and try to kick him before he gets back up" thread, if the comments are any clue...
Well I got to admit his style of play is reaaallly annoying.
Quite a large ego he has going there. I am willing to lay down my 2 cents that he MAYgo to Korea (seems unlikely enough) but he will not be an icon for e-sports. He will simply be another great player. Most likely among the foreign scene.
On July 20 2010 05:24 0neder wrote: I think the next Boxer will have to develop strategies based on entertainment value like some of the BW pros do, in addition to viability.
Even if he manages to get a Korea-like pro-scene rolling in Canada, dominate said pro-scene for a while AND become a national celebrity doing that, he still can't touch Lim Yo-Hwan, because LYH did it first TT ^^
On July 20 2010 04:49 ckw wrote: Ratio wise Canada has a lot more better players then the US I feel but there isn't as much support which is really sad for me. -HuK
Just joking HuK, I love you :-). Honestly, keep it up, you're doing great and next to TLO you are my favorite player. It's so cool to see foreigners in general do so good instead of watching Koreans all the time. Keep dominating man, gl gl.
As much as I dislike HuK's play, etc. He is right and wrong Canada isn't exactly a booming eSports country, We Canadians don't get much support as far as games go. US has alot more people = alot more players = alot more *better* players.
who cares what country has who or what hard for me to understand the nationalism in esports
it makes for interesting/fun events like WCG but beyond that, theres no meaning behind nationalism IMO
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
An all-in 5 gate was INSANE? I call that stupid.
A win is a win is a win is a win when your playing for money bro. In the end when you lose in a 1v1 to a stupid/cheesy strat, it is YOUR fault.
TLO was also building his command center when HuK decided to go 5 gate making him vulnerable to a strong mid game push. Regardless if HuK scouted it, HuK knows just from watching any of TLOs games that he likes to fast expand early as terran.
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
An all-in 5 gate was INSANE? I call that stupid.
A win is a win is a win is a win when your playing for money bro. In the end when you lose in a 1v1 to a stupid/cheesy strat, it is YOUR fault.
TLO was also building his command center when HuK decided to go 5 gate making him vulnerable to a strong mid game push. Regardless if HuK scouted it, HuK knows just from watching any of TLOs games that he likes to fast expand early as terran.
There will simply never be another player like Boxer. Boxer's accomplishments and innovation extend well beyond just SC but into esports as a whole. Boxer is not only a player, but a public figure. He helped shape esports in a way that no single person can replicate.
Some of the anti-HuK "He sucks because he 5-gated TLO" comments are really facepalm worthy.
5 gate or not, you can't suck at SC2 and be at the very top of the ladder. White-Ra cheeses far more often, so why does HuK deserve a double standard? Triple standard, really, considering all the criticism IdrA gets as well basically for not cheesing enough. "IdrA's boring. He always just expands and goes for mass hydra late games. What a dull play style." Sheesh.
Best of luck to HuK. He played some amazing games in the King of the Beta. First time I've seen mass archons before, too.
oh he's a very good player alright but i dont really see him taking the esport scene by storm. perhaps if he moves to korean and does this full time with high level competition, he'll have more of a chance.
On July 20 2010 05:23 Shiragaku wrote: Quite a large ego he has going there.
and to other comments of the sort (like the one about the blasphemous nature of the wanting to be like boxer statement):
He said it was his dream, something to aspire too. He's putting the proverbial dangling carrot in front of the MULE. It's not arrogance, it's DRIVE. We could all use some of that.
I'm actualy supprised by all the hatered around HuK (or should I say jalousy). He's a verry good player. He went from a nobody to a super star in about 2-3 months. He's actualy one of my favorite protoss player and to be honest most of my toss build (when not playing zergs) are comming from him. I love his agressive play and he's probably on par with Tester.
I mean... cut the bull crap and give the kid what he deserves. I wish him good luck and god damn 10 hours a day is alot ! HAHAAH
On July 20 2010 05:39 The_Pacifist wrote: Some of the anti-HuK "He sucks because he 5-gated TLO" comments are really facepalm worthy.
5 gate or not, you can't suck at SC2 and be at the very top of the ladder. White-Ra cheeses far more often, so why does HuK deserve a double standard? Triple standard, really, considering all the criticism IdrA gets as well basically for not cheesing enough. "IdrA's boring. He always just expands and goes for mass hydra late games. What a dull play style." Sheesh.
Best of luck to HuK. He played some amazing games in the King of the Beta. First time I've seen mass archons before, too.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Darkalbino wrote: isnt that the guy that 4gates every MU?
lol jk
nice interview....
Did you watch his recent game in the Day[9] tournament v.s TLO? He did damn well and these were 30 minute + games. He isn't just a cheese toss, his macro game is pretty impressive as well as his late game skills in general.
And everyone who hates on his style, and then turns around and hails to WhiteRa is just sad. Again, he is definitely evolving.
On July 20 2010 04:50 Torture wrote: HuK really impressed me in the first games of the Day9 tourney. Rocked TLO in the first game, second game was INSANE and he played really well.
well 1st game was just an all in and that works very good on blistering sands, 2nd game I feel TLO could have won that a lot faster then when he did, I am pretty sure he could have A moved at certian points in the game but decided to go bc's which made the game look closer then it should have been.
But i don't think Huk's going to be the boxer of sc2 for protoss no offense but he doesn't' really have any creative play from what I have seen but maybe he'll surprise us who knows. He's got a tough group though to try and advance
On July 20 2010 04:49 nam nam wrote: First you are saying the skill cap is too low and then that no one will be able to compete with Asians. It doesn't compute.
Why does it "not compute", the lower skill cap means that the difference between a great player and a very good one will be more subtle, and about the other part... Asians have sick training regimes and determination, and I said that time will tell, not that there is something carved in stone (spelling?).
Anyway, best of luck to HuK
Your post is still contradictory. You can't say the skill cap it too low for another boxer and then say that you doubt no one will be able to compete with Asians. If the skill level cap is so low that you can't have a dominating player then there is no reason why Asians should have total reign over the SC2 scene. And I didn't imply it was carved in stone so I don't know why you had to clarify that for.
On July 20 2010 04:49 nam nam wrote: First you are saying the skill cap is too low and then that no one will be able to compete with Asians. It doesn't compute.
Why does it "not compute", the lower skill cap means that the difference between a great player and a very good one will be more subtle, and about the other part... Asians have sick training regimes and determination, and I said that time will tell, not that there is something carved in stone (spelling?).
Anyway, best of luck to HuK
Your post is still contradictory. You can't say the skill cap it too low for another boxer and then say that you doubt no one will be able to compete with Asians. If the skill level cap is so low that you can't have a dominating player then there is no reason why Asians should have total reign over the SC2 scene. And I didn't imply it was carved in stone so I don't know why you had to clarify that for.
I think his posts are pretty silly, but there is a hole in your logic there. The skill cap could be just low enough to make the koreans equal and just high enough that foreigners don't reach it.
before and until I see some more Tester action I am convinced he is the top Protoss in SC2 right now.
This made my day. So lol, Huk is good, but that's it, nothing special, during this phase 2 he just lost to morrow in wolf cup, to TLO yesterday in King of Beta, got kicked out of go4SC2, ok he know how to no life on the ladder, great, but being number 1 in the ladder ranking doesnt mean shit.
You say that he is above tester when he can't even approach white-ra's level ...
On July 20 2010 04:49 nam nam wrote: First you are saying the skill cap is too low and then that no one will be able to compete with Asians. It doesn't compute.
Why does it "not compute", the lower skill cap means that the difference between a great player and a very good one will be more subtle, and about the other part... Asians have sick training regimes and determination, and I said that time will tell, not that there is something carved in stone (spelling?).
Anyway, best of luck to HuK
Your post is still contradictory. You can't say the skill cap it too low for another boxer and then say that you doubt no one will be able to compete with Asians. If the skill level cap is so low that you can't have a dominating player then there is no reason why Asians should have total reign over the SC2 scene. And I didn't imply it was carved in stone so I don't know why you had to clarify that for.
i believe he's implying that:
the skill cap is low, so there will not be another dominant player,
however, as a whole (overall), asians (koreans) will still have an edge/boost over foreigners.
hence, the koreans (in general) are so much more advanced (mechanic-wise) than foreigners that even though there's a low ceiling, they can't catch up.
while this "notion" may or may not be true, i don't see what's so contradicting with that. in theory it's very possible.
p.s.
the artosis thread with upmagic, playing the game for 5 days, and already on par, if not better than many "known, but not that known", is a testament to how easily progamers in korea can pick this up, and play at a very high level. unless foreigners can train 12+ hours a day, it's hard to be on even footing with them.
HuK is one of the uninteresting players who does the standard build every single game. He's like the opposite of TLO.
Not hating though. He's really good at it and If it works successfully then I don't blame him. But, eventually, his style will be countered easily by other pros and then what?
On July 20 2010 05:23 Shiragaku wrote: Quite a large ego he has going there. I am willing to lay down my 2 cents that he MAYgo to Korea (seems unlikely enough) but he will not be an icon for e-sports. He will simply be another great player. Most likely among the foreign scene.
HuK certainly has quite a lot of talent and skill, but I hope his ego doesn't get in the way. There's something unsavory in referring to people kind enough to share an account with you as downers.
Huk needs to learn some self marketing skills. Calling himself the next emperor after establishing an image as a constant 4 gate all in "lamer" is not really going to result in a very positive overall opinion of the person no matter how good the player is behind the curtains. Hell even TLO, the person who the public imagines as the strategic genius, would get a lot of negative voices if he were to compare himself to such giants as Lim Yohwan.
Best of luck to him anyways and lets hope the interview doesn't result in people considering him the next player to hate on. It's absolutely required for a professional to have dreams and goals and it shouldn't be taken the wrong way.
Its very nice to see a Canadian on top of ladders and competing at a pro level in starcraft. Hope HuK starts playing Zerg though or I cant really support him.
On July 20 2010 04:49 ckw wrote: Ratio wise Canada has a lot more better players then the US I feel but there isn't as much support which is really sad for me. -HuK
Its easy when your entire nation has fewer people than the state of New York....
ratios don't mean much. US has so many more players total that there are also more "better players" total.
On July 20 2010 06:57 Puosu wrote: Huk needs to learn some self marketing skills. Calling himself the next emperor after establishing an image as a constant 4 gate all in "lamer" is not really going to result in a very positive overall opinion of the person no matter how good the player is behind the curtains. Hell even TLO, the person who the public imagines as the strategic genius, would get a lot of negative voices if he were to compare himself to such giants as Lim Yohwan.
Best of luck to him anyways and lets hope the interview doesn't result in people considering him the next player to hate on. It's absolutely required for a professional to have dreams and goals and it shouldn't be taken the wrong way.
What are your long term goals with E-Sports, is this something you will stay in for many years to come, or simply a phase?
I hope so, really depends if I can keep at it, the hardest part for me is staying focuses. Its really hard for me to play 10+ hours a day but as long as I can keep the drive I think I can compete with anyone (even korean progamers). Basically I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2.
That is the quotation which has caused this unnecessary torrent of negativity towards Chris. I have to say, I did not take it out of context, but it seems many of you have.
He says he WANTS to be the next Lim Yo Hwan. WANTS being the key word in this sentence, he does not compare himself to Lim Yo Hwan, he does not say he is going to be the next Lim Yo Hwan, he simply says he WANTS to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for Starcraft 2.
So please, stop being bad mannered towards Chris, he didn't say anything wrong. In fact, I am glad he wants to be the next Lim Yo Hwan, it shows desire for something great.
On July 20 2010 05:39 The_Pacifist wrote:5 gate or not, you can't suck at SC2 and be at the very top of the ladder.
Yeah but that doesn't make you the next Boxer either. :/
And yes he is a good player, but by no means the best foreigner... Or even close.
Oh yeah, and BTW for all you saying his dream is to be as good as Boxer, this doesn't sound like dreaming it sounds like a statment... Basically I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2.
On July 20 2010 07:40 ckw wrote:Oh yeah, and BTW for all you saying his dream is to be as good as Boxer, this doesn't sound like dreaming it sounds like a statment... Basically I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2.
Yea, but where's the fun when there's no hyperbole? Extreme or GTFO! HuK has to live up to BoxeR or kill himself now.
With how easy it is to micro now (infinite units in control group, 1a2a3a, autosurround, smartcasting) I really don't think any1 in sc2 can call themselves "the next boxer". No matter who u are in sc2, it'll never be as impressive as what boxer did with sc1
On July 20 2010 06:57 Puosu wrote: Huk needs to learn some self marketing skills. Calling himself the next emperor after establishing an image as a constant 4 gate all in "lamer" is not really going to result in a very positive overall opinion of the person no matter how good the player is behind the curtains. Hell even TLO, the person who the public imagines as the strategic genius, would get a lot of negative voices if he were to compare himself to such giants as Lim Yohwan.
Best of luck to him anyways and lets hope the interview doesn't result in people considering him the next player to hate on. It's absolutely required for a professional to have dreams and goals and it shouldn't be taken the wrong way.
What are your long term goals with E-Sports, is this something you will stay in for many years to come, or simply a phase?
I hope so, really depends if I can keep at it, the hardest part for me is staying focuses. Its really hard for me to play 10+ hours a day but as long as I can keep the drive I think I can compete with anyone (even korean progamers). Basically I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2.
That is the quotation which has caused this unnecessary torrent of negativity towards Chris. I have to say, I did not take it out of context, but it seems many of you have.
He says he WANTS to be the next Lim Yo Hwan. WANTS being the key word in this sentence, he does not compare himself to Lim Yo Hwan, he does not say he is going to be the next Lim Yo Hwan, he simply says he WANTS to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for Starcraft 2.
So please, stop being bad mannered towards Chris, he didn't say anything wrong. In fact, I am glad he wants to be the next Lim Yo Hwan, it shows desire for something great.
Agreed, in fact, just the fact that he uses the Emperor as his ultimate goal is what I'd consider a compliment to the aforementioned.
On July 20 2010 05:23 Shiragaku wrote: Quite a large ego he has going there. I am willing to lay down my 2 cents that he MAYgo to Korea (seems unlikely enough) but he will not be an icon for e-sports. He will simply be another great player. Most likely among the foreign scene.
HuK certainly has quite a lot of talent and skill, but I hope his ego doesn't get in the way. There's something unsavory in referring to people kind enough to share an account with you as downers.
Lol. You don't know the half of it. HuK is a former WC3 player, he and his 2v2 partner LIGHTKNIGHT69 were the most bad manner 2v2 group in all of battle.net for WC3. If you don't know them and you played them you'd think they were just some random lamers, but they (especially LIGHTKNIGHT) been trolling Blizzard games for years.
Holy shit... are you sure this HuK is that same one? That whole scene was really fucked up (and funny). I remember that legendary 2v2 game between HuK & LK vs Angry Korea Man and Wagon on Wheels..
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
HuK did 4 Gate... actually it ended up being like a 6 Gate in the first game against TLO in Day9's series. That doesn't bother me though.
I don't understand why people are hating on HuK so much. He blew up quickly because there aren't alot of progamers in SC2 yet. I'm interested to watch HuK over the next 3 months, I think by then we will see some great new players/strategies... but really I'm with everyone else.
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
Because IdrA is good? Sure, i'll play him, PM me when the game is back up.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Corvi wrote: i doubt there will be a boxer of sc2. the skill cap is just too low.
Really? Theres a defined skill cap already?!?! Are you sure you dont mean theres a lower learning curve? Theres a vast difference... A skill cap insinuates that there is only so good that a player can get. A lower learning curve (as opposed to bw) just means that its easier to pick up, it has nothing to do with the skill cap.
This this this a thousand times this. Anyone who thinks they have a clue what the skill cap is on this UNFINISHED game is tremendously ignorant and should be ridiculed for their stupidity.
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
HuK did 4 Gate... actually it ended up being like a 6 Gate in the first game against TLO in Day9's series. That doesn't bother me though.
I don't understand why people are hating on HuK so much. He blew up quickly because there aren't alot of progamers in SC2 yet. I'm interested to watch HuK over the next 3 months, I think by then we will see some great new players/strategies... but really I'm with everyone else.
When is NonY going to start playing?
I didn't say that he didn't go 4 gate, I said that he did it because it was a good way to end games before he got past a certain PSI because he would start lagging.
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
Because IdrA is good? Sure, i'll play him, PM me when the game is back up.
On July 20 2010 08:44 GreEny K wrote: Good shit HuK, Im still down for those lessons!!! Ill contact you when I can!
How to 4gate, how to cheese, or how to be arrogant ? I can teach you all 3, although he is probably more suited.
How bout you watch his games, he did 4gate when he has a shitty computer... He can do any build he wants and it would be 10 times better than whatever you do. Go play him and tell me how it turns out. As for him being arrogant, so what? Tell me IdrA isn't arrogant when he says other people are garbage and that he is great.
He 4/5 gated in game 1 whatever you wanna call it and then he tried to do something else and just rolled over and died in games 2 and 3.
wooooooow whats all this huk norris hate ? the guy says he WANTS to be the next Hwan and you say he is comparing him self to him please people dont be so rude sheesh .
If anyone didn't check out the LS Gamers Weekly Open which featured HuK check it out here, including a very special interview the appears after the final game is concluded.
On July 20 2010 09:34 gaiyeam wrote: wooooooow whats all this huk norris hate ? the guy says he WANTS to be the next Hwan and you say he is comparing him self to him please people dont be so rude sheesh .
On July 20 2010 09:34 gaiyeam wrote: wooooooow whats all this huk norris hate ? the guy says he WANTS to be the next Hwan and you say he is comparing him self to him please people dont be so rude sheesh .
He sorta kinda brings it upon himself?
yes but saying you want to be like a person and imitation is the best form of flattery. so he wants to emulate his hero whats so wrong about that ?
just need to reiterate this so people know more about the guy, he was a former war3 'badmannered trash east kid' who played 2v2 with a maphacker and shittalked
On July 20 2010 15:04 nath wrote: just need to reiterate this so people know more about the guy, he was a former war3 'badmannered trash east kid' who played 2v2 with a maphacker and shittalked
Omg... I played 2 games vs that LK kid, his SC2 name is Lightknight. That kid is the worst piece of trash I've ever seen. All he did all game long from beginning to end was BM with racial slurs and other garbage. At least I won both games, but still what a worthless POS. Are you sure this Huk is the same one?
lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
lol so? so what if they use racial slangs and profanity?
Does that make him a loser? Have you heard of the internet? Does that make a lesser sc player? What part of that is dirty?
"When I first started playing I didn't but after I noticed how well I was doing and how much I enjoyed conquering peoples souls the idea became more and more of a goal."
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
One of the reasons that BoxeR was so great was because he managed to take a race that was generally considered weaker at the time, and invent so many interesting tactics for it to bring it up to par. Given the current state of SC2, I'd like to see a sort of BoxeR figure who plays Zerg.
That's not to say that Huk couldn't become a BoxeR figure even though he plays Protoss, though.
On July 20 2010 15:04 nath wrote: just need to reiterate this so people know more about the guy, he was a former war3 'badmannered trash east kid' who played 2v2 with a maphacker and shittalked
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
lol so? so what if they use racial slangs and profanity?
Does that make him a loser? Have you heard of the internet? Does that make a lesser sc player? What part of that is dirty?
Just because it's the internet doesn't mean it's okay to use a racial slur every 10 seconds of the game (literally). Even using it once on TL is enough to get you banned. So yes, it's dirty.
On July 20 2010 15:37 SiegeFlank wrote: One of the reasons that BoxeR was so great was because he managed to take a race that was generally considered weaker at the time, and invent so many interesting tactics for it to bring it up to par. Given the current state of SC2, I'd like to see a sort of BoxeR figure who plays Zerg.
That's not to say that Huk couldn't become a BoxeR figure even though he plays Protoss, though.
Agreed on boxer. not so much with huk becoming boxer for sc2...........
I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
On July 20 2010 15:43 Mohdoo wrote: I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
not like idra to bw what the FUCK mohdoo...stop making people think he was actually a semipro or a pro
idra actually has skill. huk had none he was just bad at the game, 2s'd with a maphacker, and shittalked so much the screen was full of caps every second of the game (see the cecil audio posted lol) he never played solo very well, was not even at lower level/amateur league level.
On July 20 2010 15:48 Rekrul wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
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Boxer is remembered so much because he had extremely creative play and used terran during a time where terran was considered the weakest race. The only really "creative" player I can think of at the moment is TLO. The guy plays great with lots of different plays unique to his style. HuK just sounds arrogant by saying that.
On July 20 2010 16:02 Backpack wrote: So what if he was a trash talker? It can't be any worse than some of the "wonderful" members of the TL community turning this into a hate thread.
Trash talk is okay, sometimes humorous.
Racial profanities and sexual profanities are another issue.
I don't think Boxer ran around calling his opponents those things.
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
On July 20 2010 15:48 Rekrul wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
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Boxer is remembered so much because he had extremely creative play and used terran during a time where terran was considered the weakest race. The only really "creative" player I can think of at the moment is TLO. The guy plays great with lots of different plays unique to his style. HuK just sounds arrogant by saying that.
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
He might be able to become a professional SC2 player in the future, but I think it's considered blasphemy to even think of being as good as Lim Yo Hwan. Not sure, but that's what some have said.
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On July 20 2010 16:40 sjh130 wrote: He might be able to become a professional SC2 player in the future, but I think it's considered blasphemy to even think of being as good as Lim Yo Hwan. Not sure, but that's what some have said.
I wish I was Batman, that doesn't mean I think I will become him. I fail to see how aspiring to be great is blasphemy. He didn't say he is as good or think he will be that good, just that he wants to (who wouldn't?) People are reading things like arrogance into his quote even when it may or may not be there. I don't know everything about Huks background though, so maybe people have their reasons.
I'm sort of surprised by how much of dicks everyone is being here.
The guy wants to be the best, so what? Do you want him to come out and say "my goal in life is to be as good as GoRush, or even Baxter"
Shit no, he wants to be the best of the best. Just like every single other person that enters any professional sport. You aim to be the best, and nothing less.
The dude is already in the top 3 Protoss players out there, seems like he's got a better than average chance......
I can't count how man y times I have heard every MMA fighter say, "I want to be the best fighter of all time". Do people tell him not to try and he's insane, no. They say "well that will be tough but more power to him."
On July 20 2010 15:43 Mohdoo wrote: I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
not like idra to bw what the FUCK mohdoo...stop making people think he was actually a semipro or a pro
idra actually has skill. huk had none he was just bad at the game, 2s'd with a maphacker, and shittalked so much the screen was full of caps every second of the game (see the cecil audio posted lol) he never played solo very well, was not even at lower level/amateur league level.
Will you just drop this? We're not talking about warcraft fucking 3 ok? He is good at SC2 and would destroy most people in this thread that are flaming him, end of flame ok?
On July 20 2010 15:43 Mohdoo wrote: I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
not like idra to bw what the FUCK mohdoo...stop making people think he was actually a semipro or a pro
idra actually has skill. huk had none he was just bad at the game, 2s'd with a maphacker, and shittalked so much the screen was full of caps every second of the game (see the cecil audio posted lol) he never played solo very well, was not even at lower level/amateur league level.
Will you just drop this? We're not talking about warcraft fucking 3 ok? He is good at SC2 and would destroy most people in this thread that are flaming him, end of flame ok?
I think his point is, Idra was known for being a progamer with rage of the avg struggling D+ terran. I would say AT LEAST 10% of gamers are just as BM as idra if you go by the avg amount of games you receive rage at on b.net...
HuK was so horribly mannered that, even tho he was just a lowly D+ terran (equivalent), he actually made a name of himself by being just that disgustingly bad mannered... Nath's point isn't whether or not he's a good sc2 player, it's whether or not you should re-think the way you judge him as a person... I'll stop there
On July 20 2010 15:43 Mohdoo wrote: I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
not like idra to bw what the FUCK mohdoo...stop making people think he was actually a semipro or a pro
idra actually has skill. huk had none he was just bad at the game, 2s'd with a maphacker, and shittalked so much the screen was full of caps every second of the game (see the cecil audio posted lol) he never played solo very well, was not even at lower level/amateur league level.
Will you just drop this? We're not talking about warcraft fucking 3 ok? He is good at SC2 and would destroy most people in this thread that are flaming him, end of flame ok?
I think his point is, Idra was known for being a progamer with rage of the avg struggling D+ terran. I would say AT LEAST 10% of gamers are just as BM as idra if you go by the avg amount of games you receive rage at on b.net...
HuK was so horribly mannered that, even tho he was just a lowly D+ terran (equivalent), he actually made a name of himself by being just that disgustingly bad mannered... Nath's point isn't whether or not he's a good sc2 player, it's whether or not you should re-think the way you judge him as a person... I'll stop there
But people accepted IdrA because he was good at a game... This is the same situation with HuK, he is good now and people relate him to a game he doesn't play anymore and an attitude he doesn't have anymore.Yeah. he's cocky but so what? I hate the players that never give credit to themselves. If you win because you played well then say so damn it, don't sit there in an interview and say you got lucky because your opponent had an off game or that they mismicroed.
he got great spirit and attitude, but i wonder if he has the core strength to stay on the top with the koreans. awesome guy and i hope he will represent the US for sc2 rather than a bm Idra who whines at whatever u do. sure idra is good for but from esport perspective i think its better to give ppl the impression that u can be a progamer at same time be a normal and manner person
its impossible to say whos really gonna become good because sc2 is very shallow and easy game right now so in 1 week pretty much anyone can go to the top it feels like, its all gonna become better within the first months tho. im just saying the ppl we have on the top is not set in stone at all, there will be so much more competition in a while that its doubtful many of the current players will stand a chance
creativity in a newbs eye is most of times just poor uncalculating risky allin shitstyle play. creativity is to create something new thats brilliant and solid, something most us cant see difference from atm
but i seriously think ppl throw around the "progamer" word too much, we got 1 non-asian thats a progamer, guess who. yep, idra. he makes a living on this game and thats what a progamer is, not that u make some silly side money on a game. the word will lose all its meaning if we call ppl who win 100 bucks on the internet a progamer. this was not at all directed towards huk but im talking about general, dont feel deserved to be a called a progamer because the ppl in korea, flash jaedong, man those r progamers, REAL progamers...
no wonder ppl dont have respect for progamers if anyone can become a progamer just like that, seriously, stop throwing that word around like it has no meaning
You hates him because he is (was? don't know much this player) bad manner et he wants to be a pro. But while, everybody is so happy that UpMagiC could be playing sc2 .. wtf ?
On July 20 2010 22:49 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: I still don't understand how you guys say hes good...
Explain how he is not good? He's beaten some of the best of the best on a reliable basis. He's got very good mechanics, and can go one base better than any other Protoss I've seen. What makes him not good?
With Boxer you never knew what build was coming, you never knew what he had developed nad was planning to unleash in the next big tournament
With Huk, you expect 4 gate off one base, with the occasional 5 gate when he's even more all in. Doesn't matter the matchup, doesn't matter the map, doesn't matter what playstyle he's up against.
Huk is a good player. Creativity is not his strength, nor is playing for the late game and using small advantages now to compound and make it so he has a huge advantage later. He likes to all in, all the time. Doesn't mean he wont win, because obviously it goes to show he wins a lot with this strategy, but 4-5 gate on 1 base does not a Lim Yo Hwan make.
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
man, grow up guys, i thought TL would be more mature than this..you can hate on someone but at least with good reasons. HuK does an interview and clearly has ambitions. He never said he was as good as boxer. Let him prove himself before judging. His "4 gate", well tell me, don't all protoss actually do it? What is he supposed to do 100% of his games, 2 gate and go archons? You guys clearly hate just to hate, give him respect for what hes done so far (won tourneys and is ranked in the top in the beta), he earns credit for that no matter what you say about his 4-5 gate strat. All who hate do the same strategy basically. Do we hate Idra because he fast expands? nope.
I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
"HuK is extremely arrogant/cocky/bm or whatever" "HuK is this wc3 guy in this video"
As far as I know outside of people I talk to on a regular basis on ventrillo I'm pretty mannered, always say gg, don't talk shit, give props where they are due, even to people I generally don't like.
I never played wc3 melee, only dota. It has been said and will be said here again, I was a SC1 player.
My "semi-known" ID's: Keeper-HuK ZioN)Rogue JF-HuK CrimsonTide CoralTide CyanTide etc.
Now to pre-clarify any accusations of hacking because the majority of Keeper- was caught hacking while making it WGT-CL DIV 1 and we (as a team) were disqualified when the oblivion sting happened. I did not hack and had all my replays reviewed. I'm sure Xeris or some other admin at the time can verify this in some way.
"Blasphemy Boxer was a god you are a twat"
Lol this maybe true but I never meant any disrespect in the article, the title can be mis-deceiving so some people are jumping to conclusions and assumptions; but mainly only IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. I mention many times Boxer was my favorite player, is a legend, and I looked up/idolized all pro gamers. I want to be the next Boxer for SC2, this is my goal as well as being the best player in general. Don't like it? To bad! Haters going to hate anyways. It's my goal and I will try my best to make it a reality, To say such negative things about a fan talking about his hero and wanting be like him is beyond me, get a grip.
In General to all nay-sayers / haters / trolls / anti-fans / newbs / wannabe's / etc.:
Thank you! I appreciate you maybe more then my fans, because it is you who truly motivates me to be better. There is nothing more I like to do then hear negative comments about anything I do then prove them wrong. Please keep on hating, it only adds wood to the fire of how much I want to make everything I said in this article true.
In General to all my fans:
Thank you! You will never know how much I appreciate you, I do my best every chance I get. I try to do as many interviews, show matches, tournaments, clan wars; anything all for you guys (and also for me ). I commonly stay up 24+ hours just to play in as many events as I can or only sleep 3-5 hours over a 48 hour span, just so that I can do this. I know becoming a competitive progamer will be the toughest thing in my life thus far, and by far; but I will try my best. I love you all and thank you so much.
On July 20 2010 15:43 Mohdoo wrote: I can confirm the bad manner rumors about WC3. I was active in the community, friend played their team before. Fairly known fact, kind of an icon like Idra to BW lol.
not like idra to bw what the FUCK mohdoo...stop making people think he was actually a semipro or a pro
idra actually has skill. huk had none he was just bad at the game, 2s'd with a maphacker, and shittalked so much the screen was full of caps every second of the game (see the cecil audio posted lol) he never played solo very well, was not even at lower level/amateur league level.
Will you just drop this? We're not talking about warcraft fucking 3 ok? He is good at SC2 and would destroy most people in this thread that are flaming him, end of flame ok?
I think his point is, Idra was known for being a progamer with rage of the avg struggling D+ terran. I would say AT LEAST 10% of gamers are just as BM as idra if you go by the avg amount of games you receive rage at on b.net...
HuK was so horribly mannered that, even tho he was just a lowly D+ terran (equivalent), he actually made a name of himself by being just that disgustingly bad mannered... Nath's point isn't whether or not he's a good sc2 player, it's whether or not you should re-think the way you judge him as a person... I'll stop there
But people accepted IdrA because he was good at a game... This is the same situation with HuK, he is good now and people relate him to a game he doesn't play anymore and an attitude he doesn't have anymore.Yeah. he's cocky but so what? I hate the players that never give credit to themselves. If you win because you played well then say so damn it, don't sit there in an interview and say you got lucky because your opponent had an off game or that they mismicroed.
I've really never seen Huk be bad mannered, at least in SC2. Idra however, is as big a baby when he loses to what he believes is "inferior" competition as he was in BW, and in his eyes, he is never outplayed (unless the opponent is Asian, of course)/
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
"HuK is extremely arrogant/cocky/bm or whatever" "HuK is this wc3 guy in this video"
As far as I know outside of people I talk to on a regular basis on ventrillo I'm pretty mannered, always say gg, don't talk shit, give props where they are due, even to people I generally don't like.
I never played wc3 melee, only dota. It has been said and will be said here again, I was a SC1 player.
My "semi-known" ID's: Keeper-HuK ZioN)Rogue JF-HuK CrimsonTide CoralTide CyanTide etc.
Now to pre-clarify any accusations of hacking because the majority of Keeper- was caught hacking while making it WGT-CL DIV 1 and we (as a team) were disqualified when the oblivion sting happened. I did not hack and had all my replays reviewed. I'm sure Xeris or some other admin at the time can verify this in some way.
"Blasphemy Boxer was a god you are a twat"
Lol this maybe true but I never meant any disrespect in the article, the title can be mis-deceiving so some people are jumping to conclusions and assumptions; but mainly only IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. I mention many times Boxer was my favorite player, is a legend, and I looked up/idolized all pro gamers. I want to be the next Boxer for SC2, this is my goal as well as being the best player in general. Don't like it? To bad! Haters going to hate anyways. It's my goal and I will try my best to make it a reality, To say such negative things about a fan talking about his hero and wanting be like him is beyond me, get a grip.
In General to all nay-sayers / haters / trolls / anti-fans / newbs / wannabe's / etc.:
Thank you! I appreciate you maybe more then my fans, because it is you who truly motivates me to be better. There is nothing more I like to do then hear negative comments about anything I do then prove them wrong. Please keep on hating, it only adds wood to the fire of how much I want to make everything I said in this article true.
In General to all my fans:
Thank you! You will never know how much I appreciate you, I do my best every chance I get. I try to do as many interviews, show matches, tournaments, clan wars; anything all for you guys (and also for me ). I commonly stay up 24+ hours just to play in as many events as I can or only sleep 3-5 hours over a 48 hour span, just so that I can do this. I know becoming a competitive progamer will be the toughest thing in my life thus far, and by far; but I will try my best. I love you all and thank you so much.
CHRIS LORANGER I LOVE YOU PLEASE HAVE MY BABIES!!!
ps. thanks for replying to the thread, I think you've clearly stated all of your intentions and goals and I can't wait to see what you can do in the Pro-scene for sc2.
HuK was okay in my books until he bashed a lan tourney for not having enough prize money to bring in anyone good(Could have been joking). Either way, I can't wait for this game to come out and have some awesome events and see how the automated Blizzard tournaments work out!
That's a really good response from HuK. He really took the high road there and clarified his position while staying respectful. Major props to HuK. Good luck man. I first saw you on Attero's stream and it's nice to see you really exploding onto the scene. Good luck in the future, especially in the King of the Beta (even though this has already happened).
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: In General to all my fans:
Thank you! You will never know how much I appreciate you, I do my best every chance I get. I try to do as many interviews, show matches, tournaments, clan wars; anything all for you guys (and also for me ). I commonly stay up 24+ hours just to play in as many events as I can or only sleep 3-5 hours over a 48 hour span, just so that I can do this. I know becoming a competitive progamer will be the toughest thing in my life thus far, and by far; but I will try my best. I love you all and thank you so much.
I just want to confirm this. The LS Gamer Weekend Open this weekend was such a success because of HuKs endurance and determination. He was pushing through with such little sleep, and even found time at the end for a interview.
I will step in and say that as a tournament organizer HuK is one of the best players to have playing. He never cares whom he is playing, or if he played earlier that day, the only thing that will stop him is having another tournament at the same time.
Although me and him fight about using BW maps in SCII, he's one of the best to work with.
I can't stress that first part enough. Normally when I hit someone up for the ITL its "Oh I don't want to play them", or "Oh, I want a TvZ and nothing else." HuK never once has had these issues.
HuK is a game opponent and still imo the best Protoss in the world (he has never built 2 cyber cores and chrono'd the wrong one). I think it's GREAT he wants to be like his idol. I wanted to be like Boxer when I first picked up SC2 but I realized I sucked. Luckily HuK does not have this problem.
watched a bunch of his replays and his style is a lot less predictable than the real top players like white ra and idra. he's not exactly as experimental as TLO, but some of his on-the-fly plays are really awesome to watch.
several replays have epic defense against ling rush... ahh
1. Not reading the article and then commenting nonsense. 2. Falsely accusing someone of being a 12yo WC3 bmer. 3. Whining that somebody plays the game in a way that wins him games.
Classy, TL.
Maybe you'd just rather him say that he aspires to be a hobo, and that from now on he is going to lose in the most creative way possible.
... honestly... why did everyone IMMEDIATELY assume that HUK_YOU is the same person as HuK? it's not like Huck is a rare name. Ever hear of Huckleberry Finn, Huckleberry Hound, etc?
and the BoxeR line..... you're taking it WAY too seriously. I'm pretty sure all HuK ment by that was "I want to be the best player and have a ton of fans"
On July 21 2010 02:11 ToxNub wrote: 1. Not reading the article and then commenting nonsense. 2. Falsely accusing someone of being a 12yo WC3 bmer. 3. Whining that somebody plays the game in a way that wins him games.
Classy, TL.
Maybe you'd just rather him say that he aspires to be a hobo, and that from now on he is going to lose in the most creative way possible.
Well said.
HuK, you're one of my favorite players to watch. Coming from a background of never having played any form of RTS before SC2, I find that I tunnel vision on improving mechanics a lot, but players like yourself (and Tester's games last night wtfffff so good) always inspire me to try out funkier builds and sometimes even come up with some really solid strategies.
I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
"HuK is extremely arrogant/cocky/bm or whatever" "HuK is this wc3 guy in this video"
As far as I know outside of people I talk to on a regular basis on ventrillo I'm pretty mannered, always say gg, don't talk shit, give props where they are due, even to people I generally don't like.
I never played wc3 melee, only dota. It has been said and will be said here again, I was a SC1 player.
My "semi-known" ID's: Keeper-HuK ZioN)Rogue JF-HuK CrimsonTide CoralTide CyanTide etc.
Now to pre-clarify any accusations of hacking because the majority of Keeper- was caught hacking while making it WGT-CL DIV 1 and we (as a team) were disqualified when the oblivion sting happened. I did not hack and had all my replays reviewed. I'm sure Xeris or some other admin at the time can verify this in some way.
"Blasphemy Boxer was a god you are a twat"
Lol this maybe true but I never meant any disrespect in the article, the title can be mis-deceiving so some people are jumping to conclusions and assumptions; but mainly only IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. I mention many times Boxer was my favorite player, is a legend, and I looked up/idolized all pro gamers. I want to be the next Boxer for SC2, this is my goal as well as being the best player in general. Don't like it? To bad! Haters going to hate anyways. It's my goal and I will try my best to make it a reality, To say such negative things about a fan talking about his hero and wanting be like him is beyond me, get a grip.
In General to all nay-sayers / haters / trolls / anti-fans / newbs / wannabe's / etc.:
Thank you! I appreciate you maybe more then my fans, because it is you who truly motivates me to be better. There is nothing more I like to do then hear negative comments about anything I do then prove them wrong. Please keep on hating, it only adds wood to the fire of how much I want to make everything I said in this article true.
In General to all my fans:
Thank you! You will never know how much I appreciate you, I do my best every chance I get. I try to do as many interviews, show matches, tournaments, clan wars; anything all for you guys (and also for me ). I commonly stay up 24+ hours just to play in as many events as I can or only sleep 3-5 hours over a 48 hour span, just so that I can do this. I know becoming a competitive progamer will be the toughest thing in my life thus far, and by far; but I will try my best. I love you all and thank you so much.
I think SC2 will bring more than a few new players into competitive gaming in Canada. Once the ladder is stabilized, we'll be able to have a good response to national tourney's where your position can become known and respected, and the country will only further support you in the top levels of competition in whichever other countries you compete.
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
You sound just like Nani there.
You're right though, I've never seen you do a all-in cheese before.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be the best, and say you wanna be the next boxer, but people will always take it the wrong way. I know what you meant when you said it, but it's like putting yourself on a ungodly high tier level of play.
Anyways GL with whatever you do, cause apparently I don't avidly keep up on the scene.
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
You sound just like Nani there.
You're right though, I've never seen you do a all-in cheese before.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be the best, and say you wanna be the next boxer, but people will always take it the wrong way. I know what you meant when you said it, but it's like putting yourself on a ungodly high tier level of play.
Anyways GL with whatever you do, cause apparently I don't avidly keep up on the scene.
TBH even the silver league guy should be able to "want" to be like Boxer. When I play Zerg I want to be like IdrA or Artosis or any of the good heavy macro zergs. Why should anyone settle for only striving to be okay?
The people bashing HuK over wanting to be like his idol are fucking morons.
From following this post, I'm assuming people here dont know how BM SlayerBoxer used to be LOL.
I remember (I was gr 6 or 5) the time of SSamJang, the actual first progamer was still the shit. He had a internet commercial too. He was standing on a desert, looking like a tool, then battle cruisers and wraith would fly by him while he does the saviOr pose. I'm sure the real old schools cant forget this one. The Emperor SlayerBoxer was still learning SC from his girlfriend and he was damn talented alright. I personally was unfit to play a ladder but some of my cousins had the honor to play him before he was known. God, when he knows he won, he will cover ur screen with this: "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK YOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUFFFFFFFFFFFUUU..."
Of course he stopped when he started to attend tournaments but he really humiliated his opponents when he saw the chance. 3 bunker rushes, anyone? LOL.
Huk clarified that the wc3 Huk is not him. I read that. But I still want to say that we shouldnt be judging somebody with his past.
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
You sound just like Nani there.
You're right though, I've never seen you do a all-in cheese before.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be the best, and say you wanna be the next boxer, but people will always take it the wrong way. I know what you meant when you said it, but it's like putting yourself on a ungodly high tier level of play.
Anyways GL with whatever you do, cause apparently I don't avidly keep up on the scene.
People are asses then. There is nothing wrong with aspiring to be great and why should Huk bite his tongue just to appease some people on the internet? He would have put himself on a ungodly high tier level if he had said he will become the next boxer, or that he has the same skill of whatever. He didn't.
His command of protoss is impressive, but his name choice means I can never say 'huk' again as an expression.
Me: huk that sucks Them: What about him? Me: huh? missing that drop sucked Them: What the fuck does Huk have to do with you missing the drop? Me: It's a Korean expression... Them: huh? Me: the word huk... its an expression of frustration Them: ... o
On July 21 2010 01:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I will step in and say that as a tournament organizer HuK is one of the best players to have playing. He never cares whom he is playing, or if he played earlier that day, the only thing that will stop him is having another tournament at the same time.
Although me and him fight about using BW maps in SCII, he's one of the best to work with.
I can't stress that first part enough. Normally when I hit someone up for the ITL its "Oh I don't want to play them", or "Oh, I want a TvZ and nothing else." HuK never once has had these issues.
HuK is a game opponent and still imo the best Protoss in the world (he has never built 2 cyber cores and chrono'd the wrong one). I think it's GREAT he wants to be like his idol. I wanted to be like Boxer when I first picked up SC2 but I realized I sucked. Luckily HuK does not have this problem.
so Tester is not the best player because he built 2 cyber cores and chrono'ed the wrong one?
against TLO, huk couldn't close his ramp access with force field, which is way more critical than making 2 cyb. cores, but that means nothing. everyone commit mistakes.
if you want to point out the best protoss in the world, start summing up acomplishments. what have huk got so far? do you really know about the best asian protoss players? do you know about white-ra or any other protoss that is not from korea?
it is not great that he wants to be the boxer of SC2. if he had like 5 years old, it would be cute, but as a grow up man, having such dreams is just pathetic. you need to be a complete alieneted person to have such uthopic dreams, not a single sense of reality... it also shows that he just don't know nothing about the SC/E-Sports/Boxer history, why Boxer is mentioned like a god the way he is... there is a reason behind that, its not only because he was a good or entertaining player. oh god... i'll stop here.
HuK is a bad mamma jamma that's for sure. It will be impossible to live up to Boxer's legacy though. He put SC E-Sports on the map, so therefore that will never be able to happen again. Maybe striving to be the Grubby of SC2 would be a more easily attainable goal. (By that I mean, a white dude pwning it up @ rts games. Or whatever you want to call war3)
it is not great that he wants to be the boxer of SC2. if he had like 5 years old, it would be cute, but as a grow up man, having such dreams is just pathetic. you need to be a complete alieneted person to have such uthopic dreams, not a single sense of reality
That is slander and an unecessary personal attack. You don't have to like the man, but men need dreams and goals to achieve certain aspirations.
If you're gonna attack the man, do it on his play style or games he plays. Personal attacks are unnecessary considering he probably hasn't done anything to you personally. If Huk wants to be a pro gamer, great. He'll have to act like a professional which at times he doesn't (e.g. "Get the F*** out" during a stream isn't the most professional attitude), and you can critique him there as well.
Such a dreamer, and btw SC2 has a poor micro compared to BW, so obviously will never exist a "BoxeR" of SC2, just people macro based like the new stars, even if he meant about the domination of boxer during the first years of SC BW, it wont happen thought, the difference in level between the tops will be minimal, since MANY players already have the experience of RTS games, being ex SC BW progamers or tops for example.
On July 21 2010 01:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I will step in and say that as a tournament organizer HuK is one of the best players to have playing. He never cares whom he is playing, or if he played earlier that day, the only thing that will stop him is having another tournament at the same time.
Although me and him fight about using BW maps in SCII, he's one of the best to work with.
I can't stress that first part enough. Normally when I hit someone up for the ITL its "Oh I don't want to play them", or "Oh, I want a TvZ and nothing else." HuK never once has had these issues.
HuK is a game opponent and still imo the best Protoss in the world (he has never built 2 cyber cores and chrono'd the wrong one). I think it's GREAT he wants to be like his idol. I wanted to be like Boxer when I first picked up SC2 but I realized I sucked. Luckily HuK does not have this problem.
so Tester is not the best player because he built 2 cyber cores and chrono'ed the wrong one?
against TLO, huk couldn't close his ramp access with force field, which is way more critical than making 2 cyb. cores, but that means nothing. everyone commit mistakes.
if you want to point out the best protoss in the world, start summing up acomplishments. what have huk got so far? do you really know about the best asian protoss players? do you know about white-ra or any other protoss that is not from korea?
it is not great that he wants to be the boxer of SC2. if he had like 5 years old, it would be cute, but as a grow up man, having such dreams is just pathetic. you need to be a complete alieneted person to have such uthopic dreams, not a single sense of reality... it also shows that he just don't know nothing about the SC/E-Sports/Boxer history, why Boxer is mentioned like a god the way he is... there is a reason behind that, its not only because he was a good or entertaining player. oh god... i'll stop here.
If you want people to take you seriously you really should start using capital letters (moreover spelling Boxer). And since when is ambition something that is exclusive for 5 year olds?
On July 21 2010 01:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I will step in and say that as a tournament organizer HuK is one of the best players to have playing. He never cares whom he is playing, or if he played earlier that day, the only thing that will stop him is having another tournament at the same time.
Although me and him fight about using BW maps in SCII, he's one of the best to work with.
I can't stress that first part enough. Normally when I hit someone up for the ITL its "Oh I don't want to play them", or "Oh, I want a TvZ and nothing else." HuK never once has had these issues.
HuK is a game opponent and still imo the best Protoss in the world (he has never built 2 cyber cores and chrono'd the wrong one). I think it's GREAT he wants to be like his idol. I wanted to be like Boxer when I first picked up SC2 but I realized I sucked. Luckily HuK does not have this problem.
so Tester is not the best player because he built 2 cyber cores and chrono'ed the wrong one?
against TLO, huk couldn't close his ramp access with force field, which is way more critical than making 2 cyb. cores, but that means nothing. everyone commit mistakes.
if you want to point out the best protoss in the world, start summing up acomplishments. what have huk got so far? do you really know about the best asian protoss players? do you know about white-ra or any other protoss that is not from korea?
it is not great that he wants to be the boxer of SC2. if he had like 5 years old, it would be cute, but as a grow up man, having such dreams is just pathetic. you need to be a complete alieneted person to have such uthopic dreams, not a single sense of reality... it also shows that he just don't know nothing about the SC/E-Sports/Boxer history, why Boxer is mentioned like a god the way he is... there is a reason behind that, its not only because he was a good or entertaining player. oh god... i'll stop here.
If you want people to take you seriously you really should start using capital letters (moreover spelling Boxer). And since when is ambition something that is exclusive for 5 year olds?
Sort of what I was thinking. Look at most pro sports where someone is on the rise. They almost always say "I want to be like so and so because he is the best".
There once were a bunch of frogs trying to climb to the top of a ladder to get a big yummy fly. It was a hard task for it was very high and filled with broken parts and sharp edges. All the elder frogs were screaming, they would fall, it was too dangerous, too hard, impossible. One by one they would fall to the ground, or cut themselves and have to give up. One though persisted, he went to the top and ate it. Now, you might ask, why did that one managed to reach the top? Well, for one, he was deaf.
Anyway, the likelyhood of Huk becoming the next Lim Yo Hwam is slim, i'm not saying he can't, but he should be ready to accept that the likelihood of that happening is not great because the skill he has to reach is very high, which most likely was accompanied with talent. But still he has every right to try.
When i read the "I want to be the next Lim Yo Hwan for SC2" i get the same attitude like IdrA. Boxer was SPECIAL and GIFT player. HuK is just good. Probably 10% / 20% of players in beta could achieve what he achieve if got the time of HuK to play SC2 imho. But who cares what i think...
Give HuK some credit though, I guess he's a top enough player in SC2 to have a shot at the goals he wants for himself. Being from a country where gaming isn't as big, its a pretty big goal for him to make.
On July 21 2010 08:52 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I want to be the guy who an up-and-coming player in the SC3 beta says he wants to be.
Is he a cheese ball? :D
On July 21 2010 08:51 MorningMusume11 wrote: Give HuK some credit though, I guess he's a top enough player in SC2 to have a shot at the goals he wants for himself. Being from a country where gaming isn't as big, its a pretty big goal for him to make.
Mmm... Yeah, Canada isn't very big as for as gaming( there are some LANs in the west / central ) but for me I myswell be in Alaska.(NewBrunswick Canada isn't exactly a booming eSports area..)
And I agree that people should make goals, but this threads title kinda made it a doomed thread from the start.
On July 20 2010 22:49 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: I still don't understand how you guys say hes good...
Explain how he is not good? He's beaten some of the best of the best on a reliable basis. He's got very good mechanics, and can go one base better than any other Protoss I've seen. What makes him not good?
Vs TLO he goes 5 gate first game and wins w/e. game on LT he bascially died to 4 hellions and game on steppes he was outmatched pretty much everywhere.
Go-o-o-o-o-o-o-d, how dare he have ambitions and dreams. This kind of conceited behaviour is what ruins civilizations. He can never be the top, why even bother?! This game isn't even competitive, so why compete?! Fucking ridiculous, I tell you.
as an american of asian descent i secretly wish that somebody from the us or canada is able to dominate in a RTS game. unfortunately i just can't see it happening. even the most enthusiastic of american players always lose the motivation to play after a while. for some reason asians are just able to find playing the same game competitively for years on end fun. (hopefully somebody proves me wrong!)
The problem with some of the North American competitive players that I've seen (Artosis, Idra et al.) is they have massive chips on their shoulders. If someone flames them, they seem like they have to respond. The professional part of pro-gamer would to ignore what people say that is detrimental to your image, and praise, support, and love the fans who enjoy your content/gameplay.
If these NA Pro-gamers can do this, this would go a long way in establishing an e-sports scene in North America.
not saying huk is bad just found that pretty funny
game 2
make 6 gate ways on 1 base
edit: just making it clear that i think huk is probably the 3rd best toss in the world behind whitera and tester, just poking a little fun at his style. i'm a zerg and 4 gate always frustrates me
its great to have such a dream and follow it. he's got guts to say it publicly, because when you admit to having such a dream, haters pop up everywhere telling you that you cant do it.
this sounds nice, the interview itself sounds a little impromptu, or that huk himself believes a great deal in himself he's doing well to show his confidence! :D
On July 21 2010 10:39 Cedstick wrote: Go-o-o-o-o-o-o-d, how dare he have ambitions and dreams. This kind of conceited behaviour is what ruins civilizations. He can never be the top, why even bother?! This game isn't even competitive, so why compete?! Fucking ridiculous, I tell you.
I think the trash talk about him in this thread doesn't really seem justified (although lol@his attitude. calling the people who shared accounts with him 'downers', I can see he's keeping it classy!)... but this is an attack on a strawman. Nobody thinks that.
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
I love how you write this after going 9gate 2base on BS and 6gate on Steppes of War during Day9's tournament. You are not really fooling many people when you say things like this and then proceed to do all the things people accuse you of. You are a talented player and can be one of the top NA SC2 players but I don't see why you constrain yourself to this style of play instead of improving upon other areas.
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
I love how you write this after going 9gate 2base on BS and 6gate on Steppes of War during Day9's tournament. You are not really fooling many people when you say things like this and then proceed to do all the things people accuse you of. You are a talented player and can be one of the top NA SC2 players but I don't see why you constrain yourself to this style of play instead of improving upon other areas.
Huk expanded before he threw down the 9 warpgates on BS, just like he explained in the previous post. I do agree the 6 warpgates on 1 base is not the best strategy. Please dont be quick to judge warpgate pushes they can work in all 3 matchups.
Also Huk keep at it, alot of these other people have had a major headstart on you and that fact that you are now competing with them goes to show the progress you have made thus far. Keep up the good work.
I think its great HuK is really determined, but the matches tonight showed he will have a lot to work on going into retail. ZvP is extremely hard without successfully 2gating.. and idRa is a one of a kind zerg.
I think if HuK really goes back to his aggressiveness that we use to see a little bit more I think he will get good results. Even though the "all in" players such as dimaga play with very high risk. You see that their win rate is always around 75%... much better than more conservative players.
well i guess losing to idra and TLO isnt a great shame and you did make a fight out of it so props to you there. looking forward to your match vs tester.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
As far as Huk goes as a player, he himself said he struggles staying focused. He played a great game against IdrA, however, IdrA is all focus and hes living in a society of focus. He's commented a couple times on whether or not the korean training style is more effective than others, but he has never downgraded their rigorous training schedules, aka lots of hard work. t the very least, hard work over came.[/spoiler]
On July 21 2010 01:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I will step in and say that as a tournament organizer HuK is one of the best players to have playing. He never cares whom he is playing, or if he played earlier that day, the only thing that will stop him is having another tournament at the same time.
Although me and him fight about using BW maps in SCII, he's one of the best to work with.
I can't stress that first part enough. Normally when I hit someone up for the ITL its "Oh I don't want to play them", or "Oh, I want a TvZ and nothing else." HuK never once has had these issues.
HuK is a game opponent and still imo the best Protoss in the world (he has never built 2 cyber cores and chrono'd the wrong one). I think it's GREAT he wants to be like his idol. I wanted to be like Boxer when I first picked up SC2 but I realized I sucked. Luckily HuK does not have this problem.
so Tester is not the best player because he built 2 cyber cores and chrono'ed the wrong one?
against TLO, huk couldn't close his ramp access with force field, which is way more critical than making 2 cyb. cores, but that means nothing. everyone commit mistakes.
if you want to point out the best protoss in the world, start summing up acomplishments. what have huk got so far? do you really know about the best asian protoss players? do you know about white-ra or any other protoss that is not from korea?
it is not great that he wants to be the boxer of SC2. if he had like 5 years old, it would be cute, but as a grow up man, having such dreams is just pathetic. you need to be a complete alieneted person to have such uthopic dreams, not a single sense of reality... it also shows that he just don't know nothing about the SC/E-Sports/Boxer history, why Boxer is mentioned like a god the way he is... there is a reason behind that, its not only because he was a good or entertaining player. oh god... i'll stop here.
If you want people to take you seriously you really should start using capital letters (moreover spelling Boxer). And since when is ambition something that is exclusive for 5 year olds?
everyone should have dreams, but boxer is not only a good player or creative player. he is the symbol of a new era in E-Sports, when a simply PC game became what is in korea. its just impossible for someone else to accomplish that, no matter how talented or skilled he is.
if you can't understand the meaning Boxer had to E-Sports you won't understand my point of view.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
As far as Huk goes as a player, he himself said he struggles staying focused. He played a great game against IdrA, however, IdrA is all focus and hes living in a society of focus. He's commented a couple times on whether or not the korean training style is more effective than others, but he has never downgraded their rigorous training schedules, aka lots of hard work. t the very least, hard work over came.
[/spoiler]
While I'd agree with your statement in BW, I don't think this is absotely true for SC2. SC2 is just so much easier, it's so ridicolously easy to become good at it on the mechanics department, where in BW it required tons and tons of never ending practise to get your mechanics solid, especially on pro levels.
While in SC2, the interface makes the mechanics department easier. Now, hard work still of course helps a lot, but I think people will reach the top levels much faster in this game, not only because of the interface, but also because we have BW as a foothold.
I think people will agree that having solid mechanics in SC2 is probably a 1000 times easier then in BW. And what is the strenght of hard work? You get solid mechanics. In BW solid mechanics was probably one of the most important things to have, which is why Koreans practised so much, the same builds over and over. While in SC2 reaching that same level of mechanics wont take nearly as long I'm quite sure. Actually, a few months after release I'm sure the most active players will reach mechanics so high that it can barely go up anymore, and if it can it will be a minimal different so it won't matter, when performing certain builds. SC2 requires like 100 APM to play at high levels, compare that to BW where Terrans and Zergs especially usually went up 250-300 APM and still had stuff they couldn't find a chance to do.
So talented people imo will have an edge, now, if a talented person plays a shit ton, then you have a winning combination. Now what does ''talent'' contain and how does it help can be discussed. Some might say that having good mechanics is being talented, some might say the fact you can read your opponent really well is also talent.
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Sorry, in general we can say that give or take a few hours a week, they all work "about equally hard." What makes Bisu Bisu, Flash Flash, and Jaedong Jaedong, is superior talent.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Hard work can only take you so far. Mass gaming can give you experience with different types of situations, and give you good mechanics... but at the end of the day, there are certain things that don't get better with practice. These are the things that define players. You don't learn style.
It just reminds me back to warcraft 3. There used to be some guy with a profile that had like 5000 wins, and people were shocked that this guy still sucked so bad. They thought, surely after playing 5000 games you'd be good at the game, right? Nope. If you don't have the talent, no amount of practicing is going to make you a pro.
One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
the point is, the definition of hardwork is relative to the norm of how hard people are trying
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Hard work can only take you so far. Mass gaming can give you experience with different types of situations, and give you good mechanics... but at the end of the day, there are certain things that don't get better with practice. These are the things that define players. You don't learn style.
It just reminds me back to warcraft 3. There used to be some guy with a profile that had like 5000 wins, and people were shocked that this guy still sucked so bad. They thought, surely after playing 5000 games you'd be good at the game, right? Nope. If you don't have the talent, no amount of practicing is going to make you a pro.
Yeah but all that wc3 analogy concerning the 5000 games shows is that if your absolutely terrible no amount of work will make you good, but what if you take someone who is just decent and they work really hard?
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Hard work can only take you so far. Mass gaming can give you experience with different types of situations, and give you good mechanics... but at the end of the day, there are certain things that don't get better with practice. These are the things that define players. You don't learn style.
It just reminds me back to warcraft 3. There used to be some guy with a profile that had like 5000 wins, and people were shocked that this guy still sucked so bad. They thought, surely after playing 5000 games you'd be good at the game, right? Nope. If you don't have the talent, no amount of practicing is going to make you a pro.
I dont agree with this statement at all. There is a difference between playing to improve and playing. I dont think your example was good. I played alot and was considered quite the talentless prick back in the when i first started. Over the years (was young, 12-16) i had played alot of wc3. barely improving i wasnt talented at all if there ever was so a definition of the word talent.. i played so much but could not improve.
Then i got older... at which point my mind started to become much clearer and i could think on a much more conscious level and i began to question everything. This opened up alot for me. I began to play and improve leaps and bounds over the course of months all sums up to the point where i am now... Where i am able now to take games from the top players, You may or may not know me but i am the player Pride in wc3.
I came to the point where the inevitable skill ceiling was shown as it is apparent in all rts. I've been playing RTS for over 9 years. I even dabbed into BW using my new found knowledge i had gained too test my limits. I had just heard the announcement of sc2 and i was excited to make my mark. So i said, you know i wonder... how far can i go on iccup? it took me 3 weeks to make it to c+... I had stopped after burning my self out ( I played casual BGH when i was around 10) so i knew the units. (Chose terran)
inevitably beta in sc2, i had very little passion to play for some odd reason and what i hate my self over now.... I could only sometimes if i was lucky to play 7 games a day... i was doing on average 1-2 games for fun.. Somehow i still managed to beat every top player on the America server. Excluding idra because well i never faced him. Now im going to tell you.. It would be crazy to think something like talent doesnt exist... but if anyone can come from what i have.. some would have said just a retard mass gamer who would never mount to any high skill.... I don't know what to believe.....
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Hard work can only take you so far. Mass gaming can give you experience with different types of situations, and give you good mechanics... but at the end of the day, there are certain things that don't get better with practice. These are the things that define players. You don't learn style.
It just reminds me back to warcraft 3. There used to be some guy with a profile that had like 5000 wins, and people were shocked that this guy still sucked so bad. They thought, surely after playing 5000 games you'd be good at the game, right? Nope. If you don't have the talent, no amount of practicing is going to make you a pro.
Yeah but all that wc3 analogy concerning the 5000 games shows is that if your absolutely terrible no amount of work will make you good, but what if you take someone who is just decent and they work really hard?
There's hard work and there's hard work. Playing 5,000 games doesn't always equate to practicing hard. It's like playing a musical instrument, if you just sit there playing Smoke on the Water a thousand times on the guitar you might be having fun but you're not going to be a great musician from doing it.
Obviously you do need a certain amount of natural ability to get anywhere but I think it's pretty obvious from watching Huk play that he does have that ability.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
imo
Hard work can only take you so far. Mass gaming can give you experience with different types of situations, and give you good mechanics... but at the end of the day, there are certain things that don't get better with practice. These are the things that define players. You don't learn style.
It just reminds me back to warcraft 3. There used to be some guy with a profile that had like 5000 wins, and people were shocked that this guy still sucked so bad. They thought, surely after playing 5000 games you'd be good at the game, right? Nope. If you don't have the talent, no amount of practicing is going to make you a pro.
You're confusing practice with something some people play for FUN.
actually no, and sc2 will show you that very quickly
but you can keep hating if you'd like
I dont know which part you are disagreeing with, however, hard work is indeed "greater than" talent especially at high levels where all players are highly talented.
the point is, the definition of hardwork is relative to the norm of how hard people are trying
and, well, everyone will be trying hard
talent will decide everything
Perhaps the capacity to try harder than someone else is also a talent, few pros would say they aren't trying their hardest I assume. Talent is going to be everything I agree.
I'm sure Huk is a great player, but imo he didn't play too well vs. Idra yesterday. We'll see though. I predict he's going down pretty bad vs. Tester, but maybe he'll prove me wrong...
On July 20 2010 05:38 Mykill wrote: Huk is like Grrrr
doubt doubt it..
+ the situation with SC/BW in the beginning -/- SC 2 now
i agree, Grrr is like a savant kid, and HuK is still an unexperienced protoss player. he could and will become a top protoss player if he keeps on going, even nony forgot to research storm vs draco.
Wow, the guy gets a news article in an e-sport that I follow. Ive pretty much never seen a "gamer interview "in the newspapers before (I have, but not that many) and they pick a guy Ive never even heard of lol..
Well good luck kid. But dont start aiming for the fame of Yo Hwan before youve atleast played on a professional level for a year!
One of the first times I tuned in to watch HuK was in some vT tournament where he made a complete ass of himself, barring the main streamer from the games due to him alt-tabbing once for 15 seconds to fix an issue with the stream. I can only see myself cheering for HuK if the opponent is Naniwa...
On July 21 2010 23:00 Robinsa wrote: Wow, the guy gets a news article in an e-sport that I follow. Ive pretty much never seen a "gamer interview "in the newspapers before (I have, but not that many) and they pick a guy Ive never even heard of lol..
Well good luck kid. But dont start aiming for the fame of Yo Hwan before youve atleast played on a professional level for a year!
On July 21 2010 23:00 Robinsa wrote: Wow, the guy gets a news article in an e-sport that I follow. Ive pretty much never seen a "gamer interview "in the newspapers before (I have, but not that many) and they pick a guy Ive never even heard of lol..
Well good luck kid. But dont start aiming for the fame of Yo Hwan before youve atleast played on a professional level for a year!
On July 21 2010 00:19 HuK wrote: I almost always keep up to date with most threads on TL.net, and have the whole time since this first came out until now; I debated posting or not but since there has been so many issues I will.
"HuK all-ins 5gate every game"
Not really true, I use to when my computer couldn't handle 100+ supply but now that it doesn't I expand PvZ 90+%, PvT I do whats necessary (can't really FE) but almost always start off 1gate - robo, and PvP I rarely ever do this 4-5 warpgate cheese strategy most people do. I find it funny how many people consider me a "cheesy all-in" player when the truth is I rarely do either. Then again most of you don't even keep up avidly with most happenings in the scene.
I love how you write this after going 9gate 2base on BS and 6gate on Steppes of War during Day9's tournament. You are not really fooling many people when you say things like this and then proceed to do all the things people accuse you of. You are a talented player and can be one of the top NA SC2 players but I don't see why you constrain yourself to this style of play instead of improving upon other areas.
Setzer, as one of the most accomplished and talented esports figures in the world, what would you do against idra?
On July 21 2010 23:27 Precipice wrote: Setzer, as one of the most accomplished and talented esports figures in the world, what would you do against idra?
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
I always see people saying things like this and I'm baffled every time. You can get 30 Probes mining on 8 mineral patches and 2 gas geysers and then make nothing but Pylons and units from your Warp Gates and you won't be able to constantly use 4 Warp Gates.
5 Warp Gates is giving you a huuuge amount of leeway on your macro timing. It's not something a serious player should ever do. 6 Warp Gates is just absurd.
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
I always see people saying things like this and I'm baffled every time. You can get 30 Probes mining on 8 mineral patches and 2 gas geysers and then make nothing but Pylons and units from your Warp Gates and you won't be able to constantly use 4 Warp Gates.
5 Warp Gates is giving you a huuuge amount of leeway on your macro timing. It's not something a serious player should ever do. 6 Warp Gates is just absurd.
Nony/Tyler (youll always be nony to me) is right again. Go into a build order tester get to max saturation build 4 warpgates, and macro you will see.
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
I always see people saying things like this and I'm baffled every time. You can get 30 Probes mining on 8 mineral patches and 2 gas geysers and then make nothing but Pylons and units from your Warp Gates and you won't be able to constantly use 4 Warp Gates.
5 Warp Gates is giving you a huuuge amount of leeway on your macro timing. It's not something a serious player should ever do. 6 Warp Gates is just absurd.
Ah yes, the power of 6 gating on one base on steppes.
On July 21 2010 22:22 jamesr12 wrote: Lim Yo Hwan would upgrade thermal lance
Don't listen to EVERYTHING day9 says. The thermal lance would have made a slight difference in that the colossi would get 1 extra shot off, but still would be immobile while shooting when there are 12 corruptors in its face. The game was lost when he went 6 gate while IdrA took his 3rd, and then a 4th, and then a 5th while Huk was on 2. Thermal lance would have made a slight difference but he wouldn't have won the game.
Huk is a player who has the ability to win games, showmatches, tournaments even (albeit the type of tournaments where your opponent faces you once and doesn't have a BO3 or BO5 to adjust). but his playstyle is super all-in, or an expand so you can go even more all-in type.
I'm sure HuK knows that you can't support constant production on that many gateways. I always thought he built more gateways to reinforce his army constantly mid-battle and never being stuck waiting for warpgate cooldown, the only limiting factor being your ressources.
For example, with 3 gates you can warp in 3 units every cooldown. However, there is a time after the warp ins where you have the minerals to warp in 1 or 2 more units, but you can't because your warpgates are on cooldown. With 5 gateways, you can always get units as soon as the ressources are available.
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
I always see people saying things like this and I'm baffled every time. You can get 30 Probes mining on 8 mineral patches and 2 gas geysers and then make nothing but Pylons and units from your Warp Gates and you won't be able to constantly use 4 Warp Gates.
5 Warp Gates is giving you a huuuge amount of leeway on your macro timing. It's not something a serious player should ever do. 6 Warp Gates is just absurd.
Ah yes, the power of 6 gating on one base on steppes.
On July 21 2010 22:22 jamesr12 wrote: Lim Yo Hwan would upgrade thermal lance
Don't listen to EVERYTHING day9 says. The thermal lance would have made a slight difference in that the colossi would get 1 extra shot off, but still would be immobile while shooting when there are 12 corruptors in its face. The game was lost when he went 6 gate while IdrA took his 3rd, and then a 4th, and then a 5th while Huk was on 2. Thermal lance would have made a slight difference but he wouldn't have won the game.
Huk is a player who has the ability to win games, showmatches, tournaments even (albeit the type of tournaments where your opponent faces you once and doesn't have a BO3 or BO5 to adjust). but his playstyle is super all-in, or an expand so you can go even more all-in type.
He had a window early where if he had chronoed out the thermal lance, he may of had a chance. Before there were to many corruptors. I am not saying he would have won, but he would have had a chance.
Well, I think it's great that he set himself such a difficult goal, after all he didn't say he's going to be the next Lim, but he wants to be. Too few people out there have enough ambition for stuff like that and even if he is not that great of a player at the moment, it will be interesting to see how much he can improve in the next months / years.
On July 21 2010 23:27 Precipice wrote: Setzer, as one of the most accomplished and talented esports figures in the world, what would you do against idra?
6 Warpgates AND a forge? Really? He probably would have done much better with just a normal fast 4 warpgate. Idra really was powering and spending 550/100 extra on infrastructure is really not a good idea when z is massing drones. I'd personally make a bunch of stalkers sentries and colossus btw. ;p Worked for tester time and time again. Just need to hit the timing before ultras, and preferably NOT make almost nothing but slow zealots and colossus without range and immortals vs corruptors :p. Also 16 nexus I think is kinda ehhhhhhhhh against Z now because 2x queen and 2x hatch makes way more workers than you do.
I've been a fan of Huk since I first saw him play early in beta and he whomped me on the ladder! He definitely doesn't always do the same thing. I've observed probably 50+ games of his during the time I idled with vT gaming and he switches it up on the regular. 3-4 warp gates is just our early game viable transition to defend/attack without doing some wierd robo build too early or stargate tech that won't really be very viable. It's just safe is all.
On July 21 2010 23:00 Robinsa wrote: Wow, the guy gets a news article in an e-sport that I follow. Ive pretty much never seen a "gamer interview "in the newspapers before (I have, but not that many) and they pick a guy Ive never even heard of lol..
Well good luck kid. But dont start aiming for the fame of Yo Hwan before youve atleast played on a professional level for a year!
Just because you've never heard of him doesn't mean no one else has.
On July 21 2010 13:47 virgozero wrote: One thing I do want to say that I am not sure if HuK had in mind but :
A 4 Warp Gate is the ideal amount because it is 100% efficient. The flaw here is that it ASSUMES the player is also 100% efficient at making units. Meaning right when the cool down goes off the player makes units. That does not happen in real life. In a pratical game people have to micro, forcefields, split units, etc etc. During this time the player cannot make units and thus minerals gets stored.
When the player does go back and macro, he would have excess minerals. This is where the 5th and 6th warpgate may come into play. To compensate for the lack of 100% efficient macro.
I know guys will be like, HAHA NOOB U CAN'T MACRO WHILE YOU MICRO.
Guess what, none of us can. There are times where you just need those careful micro and not everyone is Flash or Jaedong with 500apm.
Just my 2 cents. AGAIN THIS IS MY PROPOSAL AS TO WHY THIS MAY BE USEFUL not necessarily what HuK had in his mind please understand that !
Nah, 4 gates is good to continuously pump units along with probes, huk was cutting probes. His play was pretty all-inish.
I always see people saying things like this and I'm baffled every time. You can get 30 Probes mining on 8 mineral patches and 2 gas geysers and then make nothing but Pylons and units from your Warp Gates and you won't be able to constantly use 4 Warp Gates.
5 Warp Gates is giving you a huuuge amount of leeway on your macro timing. It's not something a serious player should ever do. 6 Warp Gates is just absurd.
Ah yes, the power of 6 gating on one base on steppes.
On July 21 2010 22:22 jamesr12 wrote: Lim Yo Hwan would upgrade thermal lance
Don't listen to EVERYTHING day9 says. The thermal lance would have made a slight difference in that the colossi would get 1 extra shot off, but still would be immobile while shooting when there are 12 corruptors in its face. The game was lost when he went 6 gate while IdrA took his 3rd, and then a 4th, and then a 5th while Huk was on 2. Thermal lance would have made a slight difference but he wouldn't have won the game.
Huk is a player who has the ability to win games, showmatches, tournaments even (albeit the type of tournaments where your opponent faces you once and doesn't have a BO3 or BO5 to adjust). but his playstyle is super all-in, or an expand so you can go even more all-in type.
I wasn't listening to the commentary last night but I agree Thermal Lance wouldn't have made much of a difference. It makes a difference when there's a ton of Force Fields and good positioning, like in Tester vs IdrA on Scrap Station.
I'm new to the SC community, but was he never really big in SC1? And now he's the number one ranked diamond player on the US servers? That's pretty nuts.
On July 22 2010 02:38 sjschmidt93 wrote: I'm new to the SC community, but was he never really big in SC1? And now he's the number one ranked diamond player on the US servers? That's pretty nuts.
yeah its impressive but remember #1 ladder doesnt mean he is the best player, or even the best player on US server. He is very good though
after Huk got those 5-6 colossus he danced around the middle of the map for at least a couple of minutes. pop'd by his gold killed a zergling, let a couple stalkers get picked off etc...
if he had gotten the thermal lance and pushed asap away he would have done a ton more damage before the corruptors got out. probably could have have taken out idras natural imo
most of the ppl hating on huk would just lose 0-5 to him :D-)
but I duno if he is king of the beta material really, but I supposed they needed a protoss player that plays on the north american server, same with QXC for that matter..
ppl idolizing players in beta is just sad also :O) Like morrow said, who is good now is not necessarily going to be top player a few months into the beta.. game is really simple yet still evolving.. and when the game gets more standardized, then we can talk top players imo...
ofcourse there are some players that are just really good at adapting to changing gamestate and they will most likely be the better...
then there is badmannerkids like idra who are terrible esports ambassadors and I hope he continues to suck so we can get mannered ppl in the spotlight like seriously.. being a certified progamer and still trolling TL forums is sad
Not scouting that third expansion at 6 against Idra was killer. Granted, it's not an obvious move, but still, this is a tournament setting. If HuK found that expansion much earlier, his chances of winning would have been much better.
On July 22 2010 03:32 0mar wrote: Not scouting that third expansion at 6 against Idra was killer. Granted, it's not an obvious move, but still, this is a tournament setting. If HuK found that expansion much earlier, his chances of winning would have been much better.
1: It's pretty safe to assume Z will be taking a third expo vs a FE toss, especially if he's not early pressuring 2: How would it have increased his winning chances? He still would have had to face Idras army which was always going to engage if he wanted to attack
On July 22 2010 03:04 arnold(soTa) wrote: most of the ppl hating on huk would just lose 0-5 to him :D-)
but I duno if he is king of the beta material really, but I supposed they needed a protoss player that plays on the north american server, same with QXC for that matter..
ppl idolizing players in beta is just sad also :O) Like morrow said, who is good now is not necessarily going to be top player a few months into the beta.. game is really simple yet still evolving.. and when the game gets more standardized, then we can talk top players imo...
ofcourse there are some players that are just really good at adapting to changing gamestate and they will most likely be the better...
then there is badmannerkids like idra who are terrible esports ambassadors and I hope he continues to suck so we can get mannered ppl in the spotlight like seriously.. being a certified progamer and still trolling TL forums is sad
IdrA's bm is entertaining though. He's very passionate and competitive about starcraft and that's why I'd like to see him being one of the best foreign players in the future.
On July 22 2010 03:04 arnold(soTa) wrote: most of the ppl hating on huk would just lose 0-5 to him :D-)
but I duno if he is king of the beta material really, but I supposed they needed a protoss player that plays on the north american server, same with QXC for that matter..
ppl idolizing players in beta is just sad also :O) Like morrow said, who is good now is not necessarily going to be top player a few months into the beta.. game is really simple yet still evolving.. and when the game gets more standardized, then we can talk top players imo...
ofcourse there are some players that are just really good at adapting to changing gamestate and they will most likely be the better...
then there is badmannerkids like idra who are terrible esports ambassadors and I hope he continues to suck so we can get mannered ppl in the spotlight like seriously.. being a certified progamer and still trolling TL forums is sad
IdrA's bm is entertaining though. He's very passionate and competitive about starcraft and that's why I'd like to see him being one of the best foreign players in the future.
you are right it is entertaining, kind of in the same way is fun to see people facepalm on failblog. I dont doubt there are loads of ppl who are equally passionate without the ugly shit.
On July 22 2010 05:47 kajeus wrote: I think we should stop referring to ourselves as "foreign". How does "non-Korean" feel to everybody?
It's bizarre and troubling how willingly communities like this internalize Asian xenophobia.
imo foreign rolls off the tongue a lot more than "non-Korean" and considering that the Koreans are the ones who have the gigantic empire that is eSPORTS (dictated by kespa >.<) and we dont....its fair to say that we are indeed the unlucky foreigners...oh and the term has been in use for years so people probably wont want to get out of the habit ^___^
On July 22 2010 05:47 kajeus wrote: I think we should stop referring to ourselves as "foreign". How does "non-Korean" feel to everybody?
It's bizarre and troubling how willingly communities like this internalize Asian xenophobia.
imo foreign rolls off the tongue a lot more than "non-Korean" and considering that the Koreans are the ones who have the gigantic empire that is eSPORTS (dictated by kespa >.<) and we dont....its fair to say that we are indeed the unlucky foreigners...oh and the term has been in use for years so people probably wont want to get out of the habit ^___^
Yeah... it's sad. It just seems so weird to fetishize Korea as this nerd mecca and Koreans as mystical demigods. I mean, you say "foreign" on TL and people know what you mean -- i.e., foreign to what. It's a little creepy.
Oh well... I'll just keep being annoying and call Koreans out on it when I get the chance. It's their culture's fault, after all.
I wish Huk didn't try to cheese/end in one base every single game that he plays. Not exactly fun to watch and his strategies becomes rather predictable.
On July 22 2010 06:10 HardcoreBilly wrote: I wish Huk didn't try to cheese/end in one base every single game that he plays. Not exactly fun to watch and his strategies becomes rather predictable.
Same thing in boxing, I HATE when the guy tries to knock the other one out in the first couple rounds. It's much more fun when they just circle each other until round 10 at least.
On July 22 2010 06:10 HardcoreBilly wrote: I wish Huk didn't try to cheese/end in one base every single game that he plays. Not exactly fun to watch and his strategies becomes rather predictable.
Same thing in boxing, I HATE when the guy tries to knock the other one out in the first couple rounds. It's much more fun when they just circle each other until round 10 at least.
Really?
You do realize there are other ways for protoss to win quickly other than 4gate. Billy's right, HuK's play is extremely predictable. Well I wasn't expecting a 1base 6gate, but comparing that to boxing is just silly.
On July 22 2010 06:10 HardcoreBilly wrote: I wish Huk didn't try to cheese/end in one base every single game that he plays. Not exactly fun to watch and his strategies becomes rather predictable.
Same thing in boxing, I HATE when the guy tries to knock the other one out in the first couple rounds. It's much more fun when they just circle each other until round 10 at least.
Um, are you serious? I think your love for Huk is clouding your logic, as that it is a terrible comparison.
If there is one thing I noticed about Huk is that he is top on the Worldwide Beta rankings, but he didn't do so well in any matches that I've seen in the King of Beta tournament. Why is that? Just like a guy who always play, 4 gate, mass marine, and even 6pool, they're invariable going to well online because those cheese tactics are strong. Huk played in the King of the Beta tournament where, he did his 4+ gate strategy in pretty much every single game. Idra and TLO noticed his trend and so they were able to crush it.
I am by no means calling him a bad player. In fact, I'll admit that he's great. But the fact is that he always goes with a standard opening of mass gateway and try to shut his opponent down early, making for a bad performance. And he has to be less predictable with his early game if he wants to be a pro.
id be more interested in what his thought process was on not upgadring thermal lance. I am not tryng to be a dick huk is way better then me (clearly) I am just wondering if there was a reason/plan behind thar or just made a mistake
haha exactly. most of the tl acc's made in 2010 are from sc2 noobs that have no idea about bw, progaming scene, or anything related.
This may be true but I'd be careful with that. For instance, I'm 33 and the first Blizzard game I played was Battlechess, but I was playing Warcraft 1 in college with my roommates, over the network, in the mid-1990s. I lurked at this site for years before recently making an account and I'm well familiar with SC1, BW, and the progaming scene. If you judge people or their opinions by the date they signed up, you're doing a disservice to them and the community.
On July 22 2010 11:55 Mr Winky wrote: he is good....but still got stomped in the King of the Beta series
?? why is everyone on this band wagon now. First games where 1-2 1-2. AND todays game 2 was pretty close as much as no one wants to admit it. His immortal push worked out well. WP. Keep playing Huk. It will be cool to see your playstyle evolve
HuK did have the Xel'Naga tower, but Tester blinked inside the area with the high grass. Watchtowers can see through high grass (ala Steppes high yield expos), but on Lost Temple they don't have enough of a radius to see where Tester blinked.
Unless you're talking about the Xel Naga closer to HuKs base, in which case it would have been too late anyway probably.
The first game was a thrashing if I ever saw one. The second one was kind of one sided, too, if you considered that Tester repelled an all in while having an expansion.
On July 22 2010 11:55 Mr Winky wrote: he is good....but still got stomped in the King of the Beta series
?? why is everyone on this band wagon now. First games where 1-2 1-2. AND todays game 2 was pretty close as much as no one wants to admit it. His immortal push worked out well. WP. Keep playing Huk. It will be cool to see your playstyle evolve
Game 1: HuK lost to proxy pylon due to lack of scouting for cheese. Tester killed almost all of his workers successfully. Game over. Not close. Game 2: Of course it's going to be "close" if Tester expands early while HuK masses for a push. HuK had the advantage but even then lost because Tester outsmarted and outmicro'd him.
However, HuK played reasonably well in game 2. Tester is on another level but as HuK actually had a chance, HuK could still be a great player.
I'm not sure why so many people are trying to bring HuK down... cuz he says he wants to become a pro? I see nothing wrong with ambition, and so far his results have been pretty decent
On July 22 2010 11:55 Mr Winky wrote: he is good....but still got stomped in the King of the Beta series
?? why is everyone on this band wagon now. First games where 1-2 1-2. AND todays game 2 was pretty close as much as no one wants to admit it. His immortal push worked out well. WP. Keep playing Huk. It will be cool to see your playstyle evolve
Game 1: HuK lost to proxy pylon due to lack of scouting for cheese. Tester killed almost all of his workers successfully. Game over. Not close. Game 2: Of course it's going to be "close" if Tester expands early while HuK masses for a push. HuK had the advantage but even then lost because Tester outsmarted and outmicro'd him.
However, HuK played reasonably well in game 2. Tester is on another level but as HuK actually had a chance, HuK could still be a great player.
On July 22 2010 11:55 Mr Winky wrote: he is good....but still got stomped in the King of the Beta series
?? why is everyone on this band wagon now. First games where 1-2 1-2. AND todays game 2 was pretty close as much as no one wants to admit it. His immortal push worked out well. WP. Keep playing Huk. It will be cool to see your playstyle evolve
Game 1: HuK lost to proxy pylon due to lack of scouting for cheese. Tester killed almost all of his workers successfully. Game over. Not close. Game 2: Of course it's going to be "close" if Tester expands early while HuK masses for a push. HuK had the advantage but even then lost because Tester outsmarted and outmicro'd him.
However, HuK played reasonably well in game 2. Tester is on another level but as HuK actually had a chance, HuK could still be a great player.
Tester used resources to expand. HuK didn't. Therefore, HuK has tech and unit quantity advantage as Tester's expansion economy advantage hadn't kicked in. HuK should have won the game when he denied Tester's expansion but Tester outplayed him. Tester was on the back foot for most of the game but managed to come out on top.
On July 22 2010 13:26 dybydx wrote: +1 support for my fellow Canadian gamer.
remember, boxer wasnt always #1 in the ranking but hes got the style and respect.
HuK has neither though.
HuK does the same thing every game. No style. Not creativity. And he doesn't have my respect at least. I've seen him BM on enough streams to not like him personally.
I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
This.
T_T I was thinking this but.. I didn't want to post it.. kinda too deep..lol but yeah, the game he DID win, he all in 5gate..lol
hope he gets less BM and does other strategies..or goes back to Wc3 2vs2 lol.
Hi,TLer, Comet from wfbrood.com(China). Few days ago I have translated this article into Chinese and posted on wfbrood.com, and now I bring the feedbacks from China back to here. Some think that 90% win rate of Huk is so impressive. But over time, there will be more gosu appear. Others think may be this time the western people will have some advantages compared to east (I think he means that even it is still in beta, there appears a lot of famous sc2 progamers in the western world and in this case will benifite the western e-sports). But, on the other hand, there do exists a huge distance between Korea and other countries. What's more, a netizen pointed out it is stange that Huk haven't mentioned Grrr..., who is a famous Canadian SC1 progamer.
nobody even knows if the people who are good in beta will be good after the game is out for a while. Im not talking about this guy, but more at some of the posters in the thread. Already implying that he could possibly go to korea? Get real. Tillerman won the war3 beta tournament and afaik wasnt one of the top players for very long if AT ALL once ROC came out.
this guy will go away with in a couple of months just like a lot of other people will because when you practice 8-10 hours a day and win nothing then after a little while you realize you're wasting your god damn time lol.
these guys don't play this game because its fun to them(it might be fun)they play cuz its a job. theres no point in putting in hours and hours of practice if you don't benefit from it. i've watched huks games and hes not very good at all.
i mean when your main strat revolves around the easiest rush strat a monkey can execute ,this is coming from a protoss player who was 50th US when phase 2 went down, you got no shot.
On July 23 2010 00:58 Arm4n wrote: this guy will go away with in a couple of months just like a lot of other people will because when you practice 8-10 hours a day and win nothing then after a little while you realize you're wasting your god damn time lol.
these guys don't play this game because its fun to them(it might be fun)they play cuz its a job. theres no point in putting in hours and hours of practice if you don't benefit from it. i've watched huks games and hes not very good at all.
i mean when your main strat revolves around the easiest rush strat a monkey can execute ,this is coming from a protoss player who was 50th US when phase 2 went down, you got no shot.
On July 23 2010 00:58 Arm4n wrote: this guy will go away with in a couple of months just like a lot of other people will because when you practice 8-10 hours a day and win nothing then after a little while you realize you're wasting your god damn time lol.
these guys don't play this game because its fun to them(it might be fun)they play cuz its a job. theres no point in putting in hours and hours of practice if you don't benefit from it. i've watched huks games and hes not very good at all.
i mean when your main strat revolves around the easiest rush strat a monkey can execute ,this is coming from a protoss player who was 50th US when phase 2 went down, you got no shot.
On July 23 2010 00:58 Arm4n wrote: this guy will go away with in a couple of months just like a lot of other people will because when you practice 8-10 hours a day and win nothing then after a little while you realize you're wasting your god damn time lol.
these guys don't play this game because its fun to them(it might be fun)they play cuz its a job. theres no point in putting in hours and hours of practice if you don't benefit from it. i've watched huks games and hes not very good at all.
i mean when your main strat revolves around the easiest rush strat a monkey can execute ,this is coming from a protoss player who was 50th US when phase 2 went down, you got no shot.
On July 23 2010 01:01 iCCup.Diamond wrote: HuK is a damn good player that is hitting a slump right now. All this HuK hate is insane....
He's "hitting a slump" because other top players have figured out his rather one-dimensional style, which can be easily exploited. He's a technically good player, but people who are technically good and also creative will always get ahead in the long run.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
I don't think huk performed any bad in the tournament. he didn't do any bad overall. he was facing top notch players and did pretty good, tbh.
of course he is not at same level of all those progammers, but if you expected someone who has never had a progammer schedule and BW background to be competting at the same level of idra, tester, white-ra, etc., you must be crazy. lol
he played seriously for only a month... don't be so harsh... the only thing we could get pissed with him is his aspiration of being a boxer, but he obviously had no idea of what boxer meant to the community and to E-Sports.
remember that white-ra, tester, idra and all those people have been playing as professional for years...
On July 23 2010 01:01 iCCup.Diamond wrote: HuK is a damn good player that is hitting a slump right now. All this HuK hate is insane....
He's "hitting a slump" because other top players have figured out his rather one-dimensional style, which can be easily exploited. He's a technically good player, but people who are technically good and also creative will always get ahead in the long run.
On July 22 2010 13:26 dybydx wrote: +1 support for my fellow Canadian gamer.
remember, boxer wasnt always #1 in the ranking but hes got the style and respect.
HuK has neither though.
HuK does the same thing every game. No style. Not creativity. And he doesn't have my respect at least. I've seen him BM on enough streams to not like him personally.
Everything I've ever heard about HuK has been negative. Between whatever went down with him getting banned for soliciting donations by threatening to quit streaming or w.e. to his very public hissyfit over not being invited to the HDH, he just always comes across as kind of a loser as an individual, which keeps me from being able to respect or support him as player.
HuK's a great player, representing the server in which most of you are going to play sc2 in. he's won plenty of tournaments both in NA and EU including many of the top names in Day9 or any other tournament.
In no way am I affiliated with HuK, but you guys should ease up and cheer for the players that represent NA instead of bashing on them. I assure you HuK and many others are capable of competing and beating anyone in the EU or Asia server at this point in time.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
Let’s be realistic. HuK is basically an amateur playing in the pro league. Did he dominate? No, he didn't. Did he win any series? No he didn’t. Did he win games? Yes he did. This is probably the first time HuK has really been tested. It's cliché but what he does next is important. If he learns from his losses and comes back and beats some of these guys, then yes he can make it. If not, well then all these player hate will be true.
Love him or hate him, HuK has an 18 page thread about him on TL.net. He HAS made a name for himself which is what a Progamer wants. Day9 and other important casters feel he is worth doing shows on so for the time being HuK should feel proud.
Like a lot of people have said though... the next few months are going to be difficult for foreigners as South Korea starts to focus more on SC2 rather than BW.
On July 23 2010 01:31 CatZ.root wrote: HuK's a great player, representing the server in which most of you are going to play sc2 in. he's won plenty of tournaments both in NA and EU including many of the top names in Day9 or any other tournament.
In no way am I affiliated with HuK, but you guys should ease up and cheer for the players that represent NA instead of bashing on them. I assure you HuK and many others are capable of competing and beating anyone in the EU or Asia server at this point in time.
hey, i would love nothing more than to cheer for NA players. i personally i'm sick of all these korean dick riders but when tester is as good as he is and huk goes 2-6. if you were on the stream with day9 yesterday right b4 the match started i was there saying "i hope huk crushes tester" and i really really did hope that happened but alas...
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
few people i couldn't stand on b.net (considering it was b.net after all!!) but the amount of racial shit that LK69 used was way too far and now that i just pieced Huk with him after all this time. WOW, huk your pathetic. And that comment has nothing to say for his playing ability but his character.
Huk said it wasn't him. So until someone can come up with something proving it was other than the names being similiar you may want to do the mature thing and stop spreading rumors.
On July 20 2010 04:44 Corvi wrote: i doubt there will be a boxer of sc2. the skill cap is just too low.
I agree there probably won't be a boxer of sc2, but for a different reason. When SC first went competetive, the scene was much smaller allowing for one really good player to really shine. With the launch of SC2, the scene is already huge, so while there may be a couple people on top, there won't be one person dominating everyone else.
On July 20 2010 15:30 Zidane wrote: lol I was reading the comments for the wc3 rep. How bad was the trashtalk in that game? Apparently HuK and Lightknight use a bunch of profanity, racia/religious insults lol. What a dirty past if its true.
few people i couldn't stand on b.net (considering it was b.net after all!!) but the amount of racial shit that LK69 used was way too far and now that i just pieced Huk with him after all this time. WOW, huk your pathetic. And that comment has nothing to say for his playing ability but his character.
Huk said it wasn't him. So until someone can come up with something proving it was other than the names being similiar you may want to do the mature thing and stop spreading rumors.
Also, as someone who has easy beaten HUK_YOU and LK69 countless times... I would be pretty damn surprised if HuK was HUK_YOU. Anyone who was halfway decent from the US servers of war3 should be able to see this...
I'm not the closest guy to HuK, but I've met the guy on vent a few times and have played HoN with him. He's pretty cool guy if you get to know him. Its a shame for those that don't know him that well, but I can see where SOME of the hate is coming from. Tuning in some of his streams, there are times when I shake my head at some of the things he says. I think its a simple attitude correction and sometimes his "respect to others" that needs to be changed. Other than that, he's not out there to harm anyone, he's out there to WIN. That is his main driving force, and while he cannot please everyone, you have to remember that pleasing people isn't his goal. He's out there to "get his own" and win. Respectable goals and overall good individual with perhaps some temper.
Its not a bad thing, just not everyone can stand it. Strong personality, solid player with a goal. Take it or leave it, he's not going anywhere. I'm one to take it with a grain of salt, hes a good guy, nobody should expect him to win a ghandi-peace award though, and that's not what he's out there to do.
gl hf, chill out on the HuK flaming (respectful construtive criticism is always good though) .. yeah.. he's performed under-par lately, but there's a long way to go and he's still the top 1% whether you love him or hate him.
Every basketball player wants to be Michael Jordan, but they only come as close as Kobe or Lebron. And since starcraft is the basketball of korea, Huk would probably only come as close as Hedo Turkeglu or Pau Gasol.
I agree that Huk wanting to be like Boxer is a commendable goal. It was not offensive at all. Boxer is his hero. =) Also, I think it is clear that Huk was not on the same level as some of the other players at the tournament, but neither was QXC. I find it odd that QXC isn't getting anywhere near the same level of hate. They are both good players, in any case, and I'm sure they have the potential to keep up with these guys someday.
On a side note: Not to be antagonistic but LK69 was my all time favorite war3 player. In RoC he was one of the top ladder players early on, and in TFT he was one of the most original players out there. He was not a top player in TFT because he played the game like it was starcraft. Every game he attempted to beat his opponents through harassment and economy, rather than the standard army vs army. He refused to play standard, and his ranking suffered for it. His micro was amazing, and I wasn't surprised when I saw him as rank 1 diamond when he finally got into beta (phase 2).
Yes, he's incredibly bad mannered and racist, but that's because he exists as an entertainer rather than a top player. He's not actually racist, it's really more of a statement against being politically correct and such. To me, when I watched his replays I always found them amusing. I think some people take them far too seriously. He's meant to be funny, not to be taken at face value.
I play RTS games because of LK69's unique style. I am typically polite in my games, but I will always strive to have a unique playing style and great micro like him.
I've found that if you go 2 gas before cyber core you can sustain 5 gate zealot sentry with it being heavy on the sentries. I'm not sure how viable that actually is but just food for thought lol.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
This.
T_T I was thinking this but.. I didn't want to post it.. kinda too deep..lol but yeah, the game he DID win, he all in 5gate..lol
hope he gets less BM and does other strategies..or goes back to Wc3 2vs2 lol.
I'm pretty sure Day9's tourney showed he can compete with world class eSport gamers - he took games off Tester, idrA and TLO.
On August 03 2010 10:27 Shiragaku wrote: Well Huk is a good player but he is not as creative as Boxer. If anything, TLO will be the next Boxer if the foreigners can beat the Koreans for once.
On July 22 2010 23:16 DC Elite wrote: I think reality hit home thanks to the Day9 tourny. Just because you can 4 gate your way to the top of diamond, doesnt mean you are even close to competing with world class eSport gamers.
Let’s be realistic. HuK is basically an amateur playing in the pro league. Did he dominate? No, he didn't. Did he win any series? No he didn’t. Did he win games? Yes he did. This is probably the first time HuK has really been tested. It's cliché but what he does next is important. If he learns from his losses and comes back and beats some of these guys, then yes he can make it. If not, well then all these player hate will be true.
Love him or hate him, HuK has an 18 page thread about him on TL.net. He HAS made a name for himself which is what a Progamer wants. Day9 and other important casters feel he is worth doing shows on so for the time being HuK should feel proud.
Like a lot of people have said though... the next few months are going to be difficult for foreigners as South Korea starts to focus more on SC2 rather than BW.
Who said South Korea was going to focus more on SC2? A lot of the pros haven't begun considering it...and only a few people have said that they were going to switch over.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Broodwar is still the main weapon of choice for South Koreans.
Jeez this thread is still up? I said it once and I'll say it again, as of right now, the only reason why HuK is on top of the world, bnet rank-wise, is because he all-ins every game on randomized matches. The player who faces HuK over a ranked match will only have one game to play against him. More than likely, the person won't know who HuK is, and will play regularly (build a modest army, while trying to tech/expand), and boom, HuK comes in with an unstoppable army and wins. HuK got a win off of everyone in the KotB tournament mainly due to the element of surprise, but lose the set because his strategy becomes predictable.
Look, I'm not saying he'll never be "pro", but as of right now, his notoriety is undeserved.
oh wow, that truly is pretty pathetic display of character.
Somehow i knew that HuK is something like this.
He already said it wasn't him. However, I've never met anyone playing DotA who is halfway decent who isn't a raging douchebag. Like seriously, even people who barely manage to not go negative every game in semi-pub leagues thinks they're the best thing ever.
He's seemed pretty damn well-mannered so far. A little sarcastic at times, but it's just a sense of humour. Hell, not like it matters. Even if that WC3 video was of him, that was hilarious shit-talking. It was so comically bad.
As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Puma? + I am sure huk will\would be able to find other practice partners if he were to want/need that.
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Puma? + I am sure huk will\would be able to find other practice partners if he were to want/need that.
They said even puma plays with all his old partners. If you look at the interviews you don't have to be on the same team to practice. Im sure he is friendly enough with a lot of ogs players that they will help him prep for non ogs opponents
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Pity that when HuK starts practicing with EG his skill is gonna drop so fast. T_T
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Guy's still a code S player in Korea. If he's out of GSTL with the move to EG then he'll have no trouble finding people from other teams to train with. Top 3 control ez =3
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Pity that when HuK starts practicing with EG his skill is gonna drop so fast. T_T
I doubt it. Don't see why his oGs friends would stop practicing with him. Sure he won't live beside them, but he still has access to a ton of people in Korea, especially considering his Code S status.
On August 17 2011 01:08 backtoback wrote: As a big fan of HuK, I have seen HuK have grown throughout the years in terms of gameplay. He wasn't a very successful player like idrA and white-ra back in the early beta and opening but he has improved tremendously to be like them. Now that every time is trying to grab him and now leaving OGS-TL, I hope he can still improve with no korean pratice partners.
Good luck in EG HuK. Hope you can improve idrA's ZVP now
Ya right.
Either way, good luck.
Pity that when HuK starts practicing with EG his skill is gonna drop so fast. T_T
You think Huk doesn't know that? He knows the plans of EG that we don't. Or he wouldn't have agreed to it
huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On one hand it's understandably that he goes for the money. But on the other, Liquid made what he is.
They picked him up after being a 4-Gating BM kiddo. Offered him a stay in Korea, in a Korean Pro-Gaming house. He grew publicly more mature / mannered, and even though he didn't perform the first 8 months or so, despite being in Korea, Liquid kept sending him out.
Man, on a personal level it just feels sad and disgusting that money rules the world.
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
Puma is pretty good but how is he going to learn PvP with Incontrol and Axslav ;; and Idra is not even a top foreigner, not even close to code S probably. this is so sad. EG better pick up Dimaga or Ret now
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
HuK will still do great things.. the people at oGs are his FRIENDS.. and I'm sure they will still practice with him. And besides.. he has PuMa and idrA now too, plus everyone else that he knows. He's a Code S level player, and will stay that way.
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
Puma is pretty good but how is he going to learn PvP with Incontrol and Axslav ;; and Idra is not even a top foreigner, not even close to code S probably. this is so sad. EG better pick up Dimaga or Ret now
What are you on? IdrA is most definitely a top foreigner(far and away the top foreign zerg) and was Code S back when he was in Korea last, and has improved substantially since then. I have no worries about HuK's PvZ or PvT. Not sure how he's going to improve his worst matchup though.
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
I don't think you understand how good the S class level of players were compared to people like Puma.
On August 17 2011 01:28 Choboo wrote: HUK ;_; You were going to be the next bonjwa T.T
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
Puma is pretty good but how is he going to learn PvP with Incontrol and Axslav ;; and Idra is not even a top foreigner, not even close to code S probably. this is so sad. EG better pick up Dimaga or Ret now
What are you on? IdrA is most definitely a top foreigner(far and away the top foreign zerg) and was Code S back when he was in Korea last, and has improved substantially since then. I have no worries about HuK's PvZ or PvT. Not sure how he's going to improve his worst matchup though.
He hasn't beaten a single Korean since he left ;; how is he best foreign Zerg when players like Ret, Dimaga, Sheth and Morrow plays. Even Stephano and Nerchio probably is better than him
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
EDIT: You know who else was a Korean practice partner? Allaboutyou. GosI[Terran]. Being a Korean practice partner means absolutely nothing, even if it's Flash. Flash practiced with many many players, PuMa being only one of them.
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
What are you on? IdrA is most definitely a top foreigner(far and away the top foreign zerg) and was Code S back when he was in Korea last, and has improved substantially since then. I have no worries about HuK's PvZ or PvT. Not sure how he's going to improve his worst matchup though.
Where have you been for the last 3 months? Not only is PvP no longer HuK's worst matchup (arguably his best, actually, most of his Code S success has been based on PvP victories.), but Idra has hardly "improved substantially" since leaving korea. He's had some ups and downs, and specifically lately his play has stagnated quite a bit. Idra is still a "top" foreigner, but not the clear cut favorite as he was months ago.
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
On August 17 2011 01:27 Grampz wrote: huk is practicing with the practice partner of arguably the best brood war player of all time now, I think he should get better. But, i dont think it should have been this way...
if im a TL mod i would ban you just for saying that.... sixjaxmajor was Korean pros practice partner but is is not a korean pro.
?... i'll just exit this thread now with all of the idiocy in here
Well before you exit, maybe you could clarify exactly who you meant. If Nada, then it makes more sense (most consistent BW player at least). If Idra or Puma, it makes no sense at all.
What are you on? IdrA is most definitely a top foreigner(far and away the top foreign zerg) and was Code S back when he was in Korea last, and has improved substantially since then. I have no worries about HuK's PvZ or PvT. Not sure how he's going to improve his worst matchup though.
Where have you been for the last 3 months? Not only is PvP no longer HuK's worst matchup (arguably his best, actually, most of his Code S success has been based on PvP victories.), but Idra has hardly "improved substantially" since leaving korea. He's had some ups and downs, and specifically lately his play has stagnated quite a bit. Idra is still a "top" foreigner, but not the clear cut favorite as he was months ago.
He's still adamant that PvP is his worst matchup. Maybe not "far and away" the best zerg, but it's still far closer to the truth than claiming he's not a top foreigner. His play has improved massively. He's changed it up hugely. Those were the days when he played super passively every game. Since then he's incorporated a massive amount of aggression and innovation into his play.
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