Invitationals, Invite Onlys and Reservations... - Page 13
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 13 2010 18:10 Baarn wrote: I believe the OP is asking why there aren't any qualifiers for the invitational tournaments like even an offline one so maybe an unknown can grab a spot and potentially get better known by doing well against named players. You can reach the target audience with a well put together qualifier that leads to a tournament and ends in a final. This has been done countless times. They have qualifiers in the ggsc2 tournament and the op made a less grateful post in that thread as well. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
As a viewer I could not follow all those tourneys. If you wanted to play, you could have just sign up for those tourneys. There is not too much invitationals because you can't play in tourneys, so it's because of some jealousy ? | ||
Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
On July 13 2010 20:45 HubertFelix wrote: I don't think there are too many invitationals (too much = other players cannot play in regulars tourneys). There were like 3 open tourneys each week with big brackets. And i'm not talking about little national tourneys.. As a viewer I could not follow all those tourneys. If you wanted to play, you could have just sign up for those tourneys. There is not too much invitationals because you can't play in tourneys, so it's because of some jealousy ? I think what you're saying is actually part of his point. There are many tournaments going and lots of them are only showing the 'known' players, so it's not very likely that someone who doesn't spend 10 hours a day watching SC2 will notice newer talent, thus tournaments without the big names go largely ignored, thus all the attention stays on the old favorites, ad infinitum. That can't be a good thing in any way, really. | ||
Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 13 2010 20:42 IdrA wrote: ya it really sucks when people like tlo and huk just ride their starcraft fame to get in to everything. LOL. But yea IdrA has a point here.... | ||
Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
- to skip right into later rounds - to be split from other seeds, to increase their chances of winning But the principle behind it is exactly the same - people want to see the familiar faces and the big names in the late stages, not beating each other up (or losing in random upsets) in the ro512 or whatever. As a spectator I don't see this as a bad thing, and while I can understand player frustration it really is nothing new. | ||
rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
LOL. but I wasn't talking about HuK and TLO when it came to this, in fact I support both those players and they should be invited, maybe follow the fucking thread... IdrA... LOL.... | ||
phamou
Canada193 Posts
i'll give a quick example, let's say MoMaN, he won many tourneys, but isnt in the top "12" of all invites in every tourney. Its always the same ones, which doesn't allow any top 12 to top 50 players to actually have a chance to show their names and get better. Dont get me wrong, I love watching TLO, idra white-ra etc | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it. of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something. | ||
antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On July 14 2010 00:10 IdrA wrote: no shit they should be invited, and they proved that they deserved invites in open tournaments. tlo had a good run in a zotac before getting invited to the tli, making his name, and then continuing to do well in everything, huk had to win all the newbie american stuff before he started getting invites. invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it. of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something. this is an example of someone not reading the thread... maybe if he bothered to read past the title, he would know that i never once talked about me wanting to be invited to anything... yeah.. it's already been said that TLO and HuK deserve their reputations... BY ME.. moron... its okay though, its only idra, once launch comes and there are hundreds of thousands of other players that exist, you will only be remembered as a bad taste in everyone's mouths since you are possibly the worst mannered "professional" that exists and have complete disregard for respect at all levels of play... maybe you are cool in real life, but you forget that people are still people if you can't see their face on the other side of your screen... you come into my thread, don't even read it, don't even know wtf its all about, then call me dumbass ^_^ very classy... gl hf in the GGI, don't forget to say gg after you lose and don't let the door hit you on your way out ![]() | ||
Makh
Canada143 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 14 2010 00:22 Paramore wrote: this is an example of someone not reading the thread... maybe if he bothered to read past the title, he would know that i never once talked about me wanting to be invited to anything... its okay though, its only idra, once launch comes and there are hundreds of thousands of other players that exist, you will only be remembered as a bad taste in everyone's mouths since you are possibly the worst mannered "professional" that exists and have complete disregard for respect at all levels of play... maybe you are cool in real life, but you forget that people are still people if you can't see their face on the other side of your screen... you come into my thread, don't even read it, don't even know wtf its all about, then call me dumbass ^_^ very classy... gl hf in the GGI, don't forget to say gg after you lose and don't let the door hit you on your way out ![]() You know, I like to go out of my way to disagree with much of what IdrA says (even though he's normally right) but he is 100% spot on in this case. It's apparent he DID reap the OP, you just are refusing to listen to anyone that does not agree with you. And please be honest here, this IS a thread about you not getting a seed in the GG Inv or Wolf Cup. There is no other reason in the world this OP would exist. Let's look at it from my view: I run a broadcasting stream that RELIES on having massive numbers to keep sponsors happy, and to attract new ones. These sponsors are the type of guys that care about one thing only, NUMBERS. Without big names you will not get big numbers. Period. End of Story. Point in case: ITL on Sunday (one of our smallest turnouts for an ITL in a LONG time): Unique Viewers: 8,447 Total Viewers: 16,995 Total Viewer Time: 316 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes Average # of Viewers: 1,560 ITC on Monday: (one of our best ITC turnouts) Unique Viewers: 6,742 Total Viewers: 10,155 Total Viewer Time: 103 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes Average # of Viewers: 675 Proof is in the pudding.... As a sponsor which of those two events would you rather put your $ into? | ||
Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On July 14 2010 00:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote: You know, I like to go out of my way to disagree with much of what IdrA says (even though he's normally right) but he is 100% spot on in this case. It's apparent he DID reap the OP, you just are refusing to listen to anyone that does not agree with you. And please be honest here, this IS a thread about you not getting a seed in the GG Inv or Wolf Cup. There is no other reason in the world this OP would exist. Let's look at it from my view: I run a broadcasting stream that RELIES on having massive numbers to keep sponsors happy, and to attract new ones. These sponsors are the type of guys that care about one thing only, NUMBERS. Without big names you will not get big numbers. Period. End of Story. Point in case: ITL on Sunday (one of our smallest turnouts for an ITL in a LONG time): Unique Viewers: 8,447 Total Viewers: 16,995 Total Viewer Time: 316 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes Average # of Viewers: 1,560 ITC on Monday: Unique Viewers: 6,742 Total Viewers: 10,155 Total Viewer Time: 103 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes Average # of Viewers: 675 Proof is in the pudding.... As a sponsor which of those two events would you rather put your $ into? Well, let's be fair here Diamond. You compared a Sunday tournament to a Monday tournament. I think the draw for a Sunday tournament will ALWAYS be higher than a Monday tournament just due to the fact that people have more time on the weekends. I know for a fact that I watch tournaments nonstop when I have time on Weekends, but can't be bothered to find time for them Monday-Thursday. | ||
Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 14 2010 00:41 Takkara wrote: Well, let's be fair here Diamond. You compared a Sunday tournament to a Monday tournament. I think the draw for a Sunday tournament will ALWAYS be higher than a Monday tournament just due to the fact that people have more time on the weekends. I know for a fact that I watch tournaments nonstop when I have time on Weekends, but can't be bothered to find time for them Monday-Thursday. Actually Monday is normally one of our better ratings days. The only death days per se are Thursday and Friday. And actually iirc Monday is the optimum viewer time, it's why hit shows like House are on Monday's. Monday is a great day for video content. Sunday is actually considered in the broadcasting industry as a weaker day outside of Football season. | ||
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