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Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
July 13 2010 11:28 GMT
#241
imo invitational should be VERY special not a regular thing, with open tourneys in between invitational, but there are too many people hosting tournys which make this near impossible
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 13 2010 11:34 GMT
#242
On July 13 2010 18:10 Baarn wrote:
I believe the OP is asking why there aren't any qualifiers for the invitational tournaments like even an offline one so maybe an unknown can grab a spot and potentially get better known by doing well against named players. You can reach the target audience with a well put together qualifier that leads to a tournament and ends in a final. This has been done countless times.


They have qualifiers in the ggsc2 tournament and the op made a less grateful post in that thread as well.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
July 13 2010 11:39 GMT
#243
Not sure if this was said earlier in the thread but, The reason the tl community has done so many invitationals is to put the best players together to make it attract the most viewers. More viewers= high potential to pick up sponsors. More sponsors=Growth for the community. This is how we grow esports from the ground up. Has to start somewheres
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 13 2010 11:42 GMT
#244
ya it really sucks when people like tlo and huk just ride their starcraft fame to get in to everything.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 13 2010 11:42 GMT
#245
dumbass.
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HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
July 13 2010 11:45 GMT
#246
I don't think there are too many invitationals (too much = other players cannot play in regulars tourneys). There were like 3 open tourneys each week with big brackets. And i'm not talking about little national tourneys..

As a viewer I could not follow all those tourneys.
If you wanted to play, you could have just sign up for those tourneys.

There is not too much invitationals because you can't play in tourneys, so it's because of some jealousy ?
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 13 2010 12:04 GMT
#247
On July 13 2010 20:45 HubertFelix wrote:
I don't think there are too many invitationals (too much = other players cannot play in regulars tourneys). There were like 3 open tourneys each week with big brackets. And i'm not talking about little national tourneys..

As a viewer I could not follow all those tourneys.
If you wanted to play, you could have just sign up for those tourneys.

There is not too much invitationals because you can't play in tourneys, so it's because of some jealousy ?


I think what you're saying is actually part of his point. There are many tournaments going and lots of them are only showing the 'known' players, so it's not very likely that someone who doesn't spend 10 hours a day watching SC2 will notice newer talent, thus tournaments without the big names go largely ignored, thus all the attention stays on the old favorites, ad infinitum. That can't be a good thing in any way, really.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 13 2010 12:10 GMT
#248
On July 13 2010 20:42 IdrA wrote:
ya it really sucks when people like tlo and huk just ride their starcraft fame to get in to everything.


LOL. But yea IdrA has a point here....
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Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
July 13 2010 12:13 GMT
#249
you rise your way up to the top dude, yeah, EVERY tournament doesnt give you the shot to do that, but jesus, they shouldnt. If every big tournament had 1024 players all striving to be the next TLO breakthrough, do you know how tedious it would be? Imo GGi has the perfect set-up right now.
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dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
July 13 2010 13:11 GMT
#250
Fundamentally this is no different to seeding - it's not "fair" that tournament seeds get
- to skip right into later rounds
- to be split from other seeds, to increase their chances of winning

But the principle behind it is exactly the same - people want to see the familiar faces and the big names in the late stages, not beating each other up (or losing in random upsets) in the ro512 or whatever. As a spectator I don't see this as a bad thing, and while I can understand player frustration it really is nothing new.
rS.Sinatra
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada785 Posts
July 13 2010 14:58 GMT
#251
On July 13 2010 21:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 20:42 IdrA wrote:
ya it really sucks when people like tlo and huk just ride their starcraft fame to get in to everything.


LOL. But yea IdrA has a point here....


LOL. but I wasn't talking about HuK and TLO when it came to this, in fact I support both those players and they should be invited, maybe follow the fucking thread... IdrA... LOL....
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phamou
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada193 Posts
July 13 2010 15:10 GMT
#252
I think what OP wants is maybe give at least a chance for less known players to show themselves..probably not any bronze player, but many top diamond players who can actually compete..

i'll give a quick example, let's say MoMaN, he won many tourneys, but isnt in the top "12" of all invites in every tourney. Its always the same ones, which doesn't allow any top 12 to top 50 players to actually have a chance to show their names and get better.

Dont get me wrong, I love watching TLO, idra white-ra etc
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 13 2010 15:10 GMT
#253
no shit they should be invited, and they proved that they deserved invites in open tournaments. tlo had a good run in a zotac before getting invited to the tli, making his name, and then continuing to do well in everything, huk had to win all the newbie american stuff before he started getting invites.

invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it.

of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something.
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antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
July 13 2010 15:15 GMT
#254
I think the gosugamers tournament has quite a good format. It ensures there will be known players participating while also giving a chance to the unknown. You say that players like Idra, etc. are just as good as some unknown player however I think results so far have shown that the players who are "known" deserve it. Take a look at the ZotacCup which everyone is allowed to participate in. They've had like 15 tourneys so far and pretty much every one of them has been won by a player who is well known in the community. Is that a coincidence? If you are truly good enough then making a name for yourself is always possible.
rS.Sinatra
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada785 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 15:31:23
July 13 2010 15:22 GMT
#255
On July 14 2010 00:10 IdrA wrote:
no shit they should be invited, and they proved that they deserved invites in open tournaments. tlo had a good run in a zotac before getting invited to the tli, making his name, and then continuing to do well in everything, huk had to win all the newbie american stuff before he started getting invites.

invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it.

of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something.


this is an example of someone not reading the thread... maybe if he bothered to read past the title, he would know that i never once talked about me wanting to be invited to anything... yeah.. it's already been said that TLO and HuK deserve their reputations... BY ME.. moron...

its okay though, its only idra, once launch comes and there are hundreds of thousands of other players that exist, you will only be remembered as a bad taste in everyone's mouths since you are possibly the worst mannered "professional" that exists and have complete disregard for respect at all levels of play... maybe you are cool in real life, but you forget that people are still people if you can't see their face on the other side of your screen...

you come into my thread, don't even read it, don't even know wtf its all about, then call me dumbass ^_^ very classy...

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Makh
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada143 Posts
July 13 2010 15:23 GMT
#256
To be clear, the GGinvitational is the "Global Gamers" invitational. A lot of people are making that mistake.
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 13 2010 15:32 GMT
#257
there is a TON of weekly tourneys, craftcup on usa/euro, zotac, esl, gosucoaching, probably more that im forgetting and anyone can join them. If the tourney hosts put up open registration then 5000 people would sign up.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 15:41:15
July 13 2010 15:38 GMT
#258
On July 14 2010 00:22 Paramore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 00:10 IdrA wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
no shit they should be invited, and they proved that they deserved invites in open tournaments. tlo had a good run in a zotac before getting invited to the tli, making his name, and then continuing to do well in everything, huk had to win all the newbie american stuff before he started getting invites.

invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it.

of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something.


this is an example of someone not reading the thread... maybe if he bothered to read past the title, he would know that i never once talked about me wanting to be invited to anything...

its okay though, its only idra, once launch comes and there are hundreds of thousands of other players that exist, you will only be remembered as a bad taste in everyone's mouths since you are possibly the worst mannered "professional" that exists and have complete disregard for respect at all levels of play... maybe you are cool in real life, but you forget that people are still people if you can't see their face on the other side of your screen...

you come into my thread, don't even read it, don't even know wtf its all about, then call me dumbass ^_^ very classy...

gl hf in the GGI, don't forget to say gg after you lose and don't let the door hit you on your way out



You know, I like to go out of my way to disagree with much of what IdrA says (even though he's normally right) but he is 100% spot on in this case. It's apparent he DID reap the OP, you just are refusing to listen to anyone that does not agree with you. And please be honest here, this IS a thread about you not getting a seed in the GG Inv or Wolf Cup. There is no other reason in the world this OP would exist.

Let's look at it from my view:

I run a broadcasting stream that RELIES on having massive numbers to keep sponsors happy, and to attract new ones. These sponsors are the type of guys that care about one thing only, NUMBERS. Without big names you will not get big numbers. Period. End of Story.

Point in case:

ITL on Sunday (one of our smallest turnouts for an ITL in a LONG time):
Unique Viewers: 8,447
Total Viewers: 16,995
Total Viewer Time: 316 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes
Average # of Viewers: 1,560

ITC on Monday: (one of our best ITC turnouts)
Unique Viewers: 6,742
Total Viewers: 10,155
Total Viewer Time: 103 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes
Average # of Viewers: 675


Proof is in the pudding.... As a sponsor which of those two events would you rather put your $ into?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
July 13 2010 15:41 GMT
#259
On July 14 2010 00:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 00:22 Paramore wrote:
On July 14 2010 00:10 IdrA wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
no shit they should be invited, and they proved that they deserved invites in open tournaments. tlo had a good run in a zotac before getting invited to the tli, making his name, and then continuing to do well in everything, huk had to win all the newbie american stuff before he started getting invites.

invitationals are good for competitive gaming because they have the biggest draw, people dont watch for fairness and competitive integrity, they watch for entertainment. big name players provide better entertainment because their reputations make it more exciting and people are too stupid to see any real difference in the gameplay anyway. that allows invitationals to get better sponsors, get more money into the scene, which is obviously good. huk and tlo and various others already proved that its possible to go from a complete unknown to getting invited to everything, as long as you're capable of demonstrating that you deserve it.

of course thats all already been said and you'll just continue to ignore it cuz the sole reason you made this thread is because you think you deserve to be treated the same as people who have actually accomplished something.


this is an example of someone not reading the thread... maybe if he bothered to read past the title, he would know that i never once talked about me wanting to be invited to anything...

its okay though, its only idra, once launch comes and there are hundreds of thousands of other players that exist, you will only be remembered as a bad taste in everyone's mouths since you are possibly the worst mannered "professional" that exists and have complete disregard for respect at all levels of play... maybe you are cool in real life, but you forget that people are still people if you can't see their face on the other side of your screen...

you come into my thread, don't even read it, don't even know wtf its all about, then call me dumbass ^_^ very classy...

gl hf in the GGI, don't forget to say gg after you lose and don't let the door hit you on your way out



You know, I like to go out of my way to disagree with much of what IdrA says (even though he's normally right) but he is 100% spot on in this case. It's apparent he DID reap the OP, you just are refusing to listen to anyone that does not agree with you. And please be honest here, this IS a thread about you not getting a seed in the GG Inv or Wolf Cup. There is no other reason in the world this OP would exist.

Let's look at it from my view:

I run a broadcasting stream that RELIES on having massive numbers to keep sponsors happy, and to attract new ones. These sponsors are the type of guys that care about one thing only, NUMBERS. Without big names you will not get big numbers. Period. End of Story.

Point in case:

ITL on Sunday (one of our smallest turnouts for an ITL in a LONG time):
Unique Viewers: 8,447
Total Viewers: 16,995
Total Viewer Time: 316 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes
Average # of Viewers: 1,560

ITC on Monday:
Unique Viewers: 6,742
Total Viewers: 10,155
Total Viewer Time: 103 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes
Average # of Viewers: 675


Proof is in the pudding.... As a sponsor which of those two events would you rather put your $ into?


Well, let's be fair here Diamond. You compared a Sunday tournament to a Monday tournament. I think the draw for a Sunday tournament will ALWAYS be higher than a Monday tournament just due to the fact that people have more time on the weekends. I know for a fact that I watch tournaments nonstop when I have time on Weekends, but can't be bothered to find time for them Monday-Thursday.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 15:45:54
July 13 2010 15:42 GMT
#260
On July 14 2010 00:41 Takkara wrote:
Well, let's be fair here Diamond. You compared a Sunday tournament to a Monday tournament. I think the draw for a Sunday tournament will ALWAYS be higher than a Monday tournament just due to the fact that people have more time on the weekends. I know for a fact that I watch tournaments nonstop when I have time on Weekends, but can't be bothered to find time for them Monday-Thursday.


Actually Monday is normally one of our better ratings days. The only death days per se are Thursday and Friday.

And actually iirc Monday is the optimum viewer time, it's why hit shows like House are on Monday's. Monday is a great day for video content. Sunday is actually considered in the broadcasting industry as a weaker day outside of Football season.
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