EPTReal names in forums canceled - Page 18
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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kalleralle
Sweden183 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 10 2010 05:57 Bibdy wrote: The arrogance astounds me. You realize that the majority of people who post on there are assholes only because of lack of accountability right? And you somehow think that sacrificing people's personal security to generate that accountability was a good thing, instead of say, a simple unique identifier, which would have the exact same effect without having to sacrifice that security? No, its just easier to think of it as an isolated problem with a forum full of whining babies and Blizzard have every right to start handing out people's personal info as a weapon to keep people being civil. Having unique identifiers will clean things up and bring intelligent posters back. Throwing out personal info will clean things up, but make many intelligent posters stay the hell away from it because they're not stupid enough to give out their real name over the internet to someone who might end up with a grudge against them. Arrogance has been the wrong word from the start. I can insult people without being arrogant. Accountability comes from a consistent identity, yeah. So why are you advocating people have two: one for an online forum and one for everything else in their life? You can't give me that argument without explaining why you don't want to take it the whole way. The whole "sacrificing personal security" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you're in more danger going out in the world rather than staying locked up in your room. I can't argue against that. But it's not a sensible reason to stay locked up. Car accidents aren't a good enough reason to not drive. Random mugging is not a good enough reason to not go bar hopping. On July 10 2010 06:21 wadadde wrote: "save yor energy" for what? 'Realists' are correct 99 percent of the time, but activists are the only ones who get worthwhile stuff done. Man, you're cynical... That's not the point. The point is that the Real ID on forums issue was on a whole different level than the other issues. Chat channels and cross-realm play complaints have already been taken as far as they can go. Blizzard has acknowledged that SC2 would be better with both of them and they'll do what they can to get them in. On July 10 2010 06:09 Duban wrote: Seriously now? I'm a CS major, computers is what I do and anyone who knows what they are doing knows how foolish it is to give out personal information, even names, to people freely online. The changes wouldn't have actually done anything as people would have just made another Battle.net accounts under a fake name, I was going to. Of course the people who actually do use a real name on the other hand are opening themselves up to all sorts of harass from the people who are idiots and trolls. People do stupid, petty, crap for little to no reason. Look at what happened to bishiok for example. The very small number of people who supported it are either ignorant of the internet or trolls. What is Ironic is just how immature your post is. So at what point did you prove that b.net forum isn't full of immature idiots? Or did you just go off on some tangential rant because your mind isn't able to follow any logic if it's not written in code? How's that for mature? On July 10 2010 06:17 EmeraldSparks wrote: The popular opinion on teamliquid.net was massively against the proposed changes. And you have no way of knowing what the distribution of opinion was between "ignorant and whining kids" and "mature adults;" you're assuming without evidence that all the mature adults were on your side and that only whiny little kids were against it... which is seriously, what the fuck? hey look at all the whiny little kids also 4038/4604 teamliquid users are whiny little kids Still missing the point here. Here are the things that I think are true: (1) A huge negative reaction on the b.net forum is a necessary condition for Blizzard to cancel their plans for real names on the b.net forum. (2) TL.net, and most every other good community, views the b.net forum as full of idiots So if a bunch of immature idiots hadn't opposed the change, it would have stayed in. I don't have to argue that there weren't a lot of intelligent people opposing the change in order to keep what I originally said. | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
They still THOUGHT it was a good idea. This is a great in sight into their thinking process. Whoever at Blizzard/Activision is deciding their Battle.net features is a fucking moron. That think tank needs to find their way to the unemployment line. | ||
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bostic
Australia41 Posts
'As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. ' Its kind of nice to see a big company making radical and possibly innovative proposals (maybe it was in part an attention ploy?), but... On July 10 2010 07:43 kalleralle wrote: Blizzard is awesome, they really are. Why are so many people (particularly in the bnet thread) praising blizzard as if they just saved all of us from a massive crisis? They are the ones that created the problem in the first place, in case anyone forgot. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On July 10 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote: Arrogance has been the wrong word from the start. I can insult people without being arrogant. Accountability comes from a consistent identity, yeah. So why are you advocating people have two: one for an online forum and one for everything else in their life? You can't give me that argument without explaining why you don't want to take it the whole way. The whole "sacrificing personal security" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you're in more danger going out in the world rather than staying locked up in your room. I can't argue against that. But it's not a sensible reason to stay locked up. Car accidents aren't a good enough reason to not drive. Random mugging is not a good enough reason to not go bar hopping. So, we should just throw caution to the wind because shit happens? You still look both ways before crossing the street. You still think twice before going down a darkened alley at 1am for a shortcut. It might just be the Blizzard forums, and it might be optional to post there, but why in god's name would you advocate the SLEDGEHAMMER approach of releasing personal info, over a simple unique identifier? For what reason would you rather have real names up there, and not just unique identifiers? | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
wont praise them for accepting such an obvious mistake this whole situation is just a big loss for blizzard cause its starting to be more and more apparent that how many bad ideas they come with and then they regret | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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shlomo
258 Posts
Many people opposing the realID required to post are actually adults with careers and children. I'm really happy for you that you are good at Starcraft, but many other people have a life outside of their gaming habits that they would like to have the option of keeping separate. I usually don't have to sign everywhere by name when I discuss video games or any other games, and that's just fine like that. Everyone raving about how awesome the end of privacy is needs to get out of their carebear/flowers/rabbits world and step into "RL" for a second (no, being out at a LAN event doesn't count). Anyway it's really funny watching you rant about "whiny babies" when you're probably some 25ish yr old guy if not less with no kids and no career still getting high/drunk as your main form of entertainment. At least you sure display the borderline-retarded arrogance of that type of profile. And if you're closer to 30 then jesus christ you need to grow the f. up (build a pylon near your brain). | ||
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whoopadeedoo
United States427 Posts
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
TL doesn't suffer from this problem on even a marginal scale in comparison to the Blizzard forums, because the mods are free to lock threads and issue warnings and bans at their discretion, and they take a comparatively liberal approach to that discretion. I find that -- at least some of the time -- its over the top, but overall the forums are better for it. If Blizzard wants to shut down problem members, they should take a lesson from non-profit community forums: turn up the moderation a few notches. | ||
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infectious
United States37 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 10 2010 08:37 Nagano wrote: Glad they reversed that decision. Even though Mike's letter didn't recognize their mistake insomuch as to just say "we listen". WTF do you want him to do? Plead and beg for mercy and forgiveness? Can't please everyone. *_* | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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SnakeChomp
Canada125 Posts
On July 10 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote: So if a bunch of immature idiots hadn't opposed the change, it would have stayed in. I don't have to argue that there weren't a lot of intelligent people opposing the change in order to keep what I originally said. What's to say that there wasn't internal resistance to this as well? I imagine that the blues who have to post on the Blizzard forums weren't happy with it either. They are by far the most visible presence on those forums and are always the object of scorn and lust and rage and every other emotion that the wow forum populace can produce. While the one rumor about the CM reaction to the change is just that, I still think it has merit and should not be ignored. It takes a lot more than a forum full of whiney fanboys to get the attention of a CEO. Clearly the initial decision to go ahead with this came from somewhere down in middle or senior management. Whether it was Blizzard management or Activision management makes little difference (unless you're a conspiracy theorist). For the CEO to step in to kill the change speaks to just how wide spread the media coverage was, and to how negative it was at that. The response on the forums likely contributed to the decision, but I am sure that if the media response was actually overwhelmingly positive (or non existant and thus not overwhelmingly negative) that this change would still be going forward. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 10 2010 09:19 SnakeChomp wrote: What's to say that there wasn't internal resistance to this as well? I imagine that the blues who have to post on the Blizzard forums weren't happy with it either. They are by far the most visible presence on those forums and are always the object of scorn and lust and rage and every other emotion that the wow forum populace can produce. While the one rumor about the CM reaction to the change is just that, I still think it has merit and should not be ignored. It takes a lot more than a forum full of whiney fanboys to get the attention of a CEO. Clearly the initial decision to go ahead with this came from somewhere down in middle or senior management. Whether it was Blizzard management or Activision management makes little difference (unless you're a conspiracy theorist). For the CEO to step in to kill the change speaks to just how wide spread the media coverage was, and to how negative it was at that. The response on the forums likely contributed to the decision, but I am sure that if the media response was actually overwhelmingly positive (or non existant and thus not overwhelmingly negative) that this change would still be going forward. Totally agree. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
This whole idiocy makes me question what the hell is wrong with the leadership. | ||
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