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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816839821&sid=1
Hello everyone,
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters (http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/mission.html), and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
On July 10 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gnjSZFqxncU/Si8vu7PmMZI/AAAAAAAAAa0/TXPs5VqqjvE/s400/Colbert-WeDidIt.jpg)
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This thread is about to get real full real fast.
Can't say I'm surprised however.
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YUSSS! GJ GG 
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Already a thread on this.
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Is this real? If so.. such a shame. I know everyone was bashing on it.. but I was excited for a company to be bold and to require people to treat eachother with respect.... even though someone would probably be murdered at some point because of it.
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HOLY SHIT IT WORKED!!!! Whooo hoooo!!!
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Wow, that was damn fast for a complete U-turn.
We should do that with everything we want.
The Customer is king, after all.
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Thank goodness. I read some blog (probably posted here somewhere already) that had found info of many Blizzard employees simply by their name, it's seriously insane what you can find about one person. I personally have a pretty unique name (The only one on Facebook at least -_-) so I don't really think I'd be that happy having it all over Battle.Net forums. Good thing they listened to the community.
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Haha......now give us Cross Realm play!
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Only surprising thig that it came from Mike himself :D
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Whelp, now we know that if we want to get anything changed when it comes to bnet, all we have to do is convince the WoW players to get pissed off as well. God knows we tried hard enough for lan and cross region play and see where that got us...
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Nice to hear they actually listen.
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On July 10 2010 02:07 ta2 wrote:
WE WON
YES <(°.°<)
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The entire thing was a ploy for media attention, you guys didn't "win."
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Amazing I actually wasn't sure they could be convinced to change this one, but I'm glad I was wrong.
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This is encouraging. I wonder what the primary factor was in their decision to change their minds... I wonder if they would have done this without all the news reports.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention.
This guy is probably right
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It is brave and admirable to go back in a decision of this level like this. I am happy about it.
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Good to hear Blizzard still listens to the community, even if I didn't really care either way. Restores a little of my faith in Blizzard.
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I guess 2500 pages of protests was just a bit too much for them to ignore 
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Wow, i'm suprised and very happy
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I am glad that Blizzard changed their mind, really shows the power of the community.
It's disturbing knowing how many people can dig deep into your life, only knowing your name, and I am glad this will be kept at minimum within Blizzard Forums =)
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So chatting cross-realm will still only be possible using real names?
I'm still happy the shitstorm worked in the end though.
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Honestly did anyone doubt this?
I mean there is no way blizzard was going to go through with this after the negative reaction.
No big surprise here. But its good to know, none the less.
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They just need to have a single ID which shows all characters tied to an account, tbqh.
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I'm glad Blizzard listened on this one. I thought they'd force it down our throats to save face. I'm glad they swallowed hard and took it on this one. It'll make the community better for it. The other forum improvements will make the forums significantly better. Not enough to be our main place to post, but enough to make them less of a cesspool than today.
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On July 10 2010 02:07 ta2 wrote:
WE WON
...for now.
Maybe I'm just the suspicious type but the whole fiasco sure hasn't left me trusting them much.
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I approve of the backbone here to recognize that community ties > bullshit. ^(-.-)> YAY BLIZZARD!
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Wow. GJ Blizz.
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get a ton of "bad" publicity and then back down like a "hero" :D
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Now we just need every media outlet in the world to take up all our other causes. When is the BBC going to write an article about cross realm play?
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LOL.. I'm not surprised, It would be total madness if they did have real ID, either people would get stalked or the battle.net forums would be vacant.
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On July 10 2010 02:06 gunsakimbo wrote:
Is this real? If so.. such a shame. I know everyone was bashing on it.. but I was excited for a company to be bold and to require people to treat eachother with respect.... even though someone would probably be murdered at some point because of it.
respect? so wrong.
every single player would have used a fake name, the only ones with real names would have been the blizzard guys, thus getting spammed in real life anytime they announce something
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I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here.
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Sometimes I wonder why they don't just make a poll in the first place, to see how the community feels ahead of time. But good to see this changed.
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Great result, even better based on who announced it.
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Blizzard is so normally pretty good with these kinds of complaints.
Battle.net 2.0 still needs work though -_-
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Good thing.
I think that using our real ID for the forum is alright, as soon as it isn't our real names that are displaying. Admins can still see trolls' names quite easily, and people get to keep their anonymity for posting.
I won't post more or less that I already post, but at least people will be able to keep some minimum anonymity on the net...
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It takes a while but usually they get there.
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On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here.
Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 Piski wrote:
Only surprising thig that it came from Mike himself :D
Indeed I was surprised.
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i wonder how they thought this would work out.
i mean, they themselves still have the real id behind the accounts available, the only change would have been that users could flame each other irl
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Activision was just poking around testing the boundaries. I will bet you anything that in a few years you will need to have a credit card registered with RealID so that they are able to nickel-and-dime you to death with micro-transactions.
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Dammit. I rolled Evando Dueñas in the TL thread.
I mean, talk about a cool ass name. Evando Dueñas!!!! I feel like changing my real name to that right now.
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Now maybe they will add some of the other features...
LAN?
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On July 10 2010 02:13 pheer wrote:
Sometimes I wonder why they don't just make a poll in the first place, to see how the community feels ahead of time. But good to see this changed.
They probably knew what the result of such a poll would be. My bet is that they didn't expect all the negative media attention rather than the forum backlash.
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They succeeded in diverting our attention from chat channels, cross realm play, online replays etc.
Nice job.
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Nice to see some sane people at Blizzard.
Now GoGo RealID chatsystem!
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On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change.
Because backpedaling is as close to heresy as you can get in WoW, for reasons peculiar to wow's mechanics.
Its an in-joke, of sorts. But it is terrible, and was irresistable.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Amazing I actually wasn't sure they could be convinced to change this one, but I'm glad I was wrong.
I'm incredibly surprised as well because I would have thought all of the coding behind putting into play was mostly complete. They were just waiting until there was no turnback before it went live. Glad to see the voice of the 10's of thousands of players really showed. I'm glad it made front pages of cnn, abc, multiple gaming sites and even they wall street journal. The voice of the community and fans of blizzard really stood up together.
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On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change.
They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined.
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The power of angry nerds once again prevails. GG Blizzard.
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Overall the kind of announcement that anyone who enjoys Blizzard titles wants to see from their favourite game maker. Definitely good to see that Blizz takes the community seriously when developing their games. 
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Awesome. Now let's re-start ultra-rage about cross-realm play and chat channels!
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*clap clap* nicely done. +1 on the blizzard sympathy-o-meter which had recently some downs.
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Do the battle.net team even use their brain and actually think about ideas before deciding to implement them? five seconds of thought would have told them that this would never have worked - just running the idea by one female staff member would probably have saved them to be honest.
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On July 10 2010 02:11 Kashmir wrote:...for now. Maybe I'm just the suspicious type but the whole fiasco sure hasn't left me trusting them much.
I'm thinking the same. Yea they revoked a stupid idea... but now we are embracing them with loving arms? I simply don't trust that the people making the user settings decissions for Blizzard know what the hell they are doing anymore.
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The first thing I thought when I read about real ID was that this will never actually happen. I'm glad to see they got their heads right, and maybe we can stop screaming that the sky is falling? Unlikely but I can dream.
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On July 10 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
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While this is good, great even, it looks like there's something looming on the horizon. I'm on shaky ground for the moment with Blizzard.
Still not sure what prompted the proposed change, other than a lack of foresight and the promise of money.
Still, I applaud that it was reversed.
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So Blizzard didn't lose their "commitment to the community" after all. Very glad this happened, since in their FAQ they specifically state that Real-ID is an "optional" and "voluntary" service.
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Wow, I didn't think they'd step back, and certainly not this quickly. Mass whining ftw I guess.
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The real problem is the WoW forums.
All they need to do is force you to post on your highest level character or-- if you have multiple max levels-- you can pick one.
All the trolling they must have to moderate due to level one alts must be insane.
Edit: Someone with access to WoW/Blizzard forums should post this as a suggestion. :D
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Well, the 50.000 replies alone in this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=2495 showed how upset people were. I am glad they are - at least temporarily - backing off from the forced real id issue.
Still, this won't be the last time the community will be faced with similar issues. It seems to me as you really need blunt force to hammer feedback into Blizzard's exec heads. To me it seems extremely unlikely that they DID NOT expect a backlash like this. Maybe they calculated that it would not have been such a big deal. Seriously, every big company does at least a little bit of market/marketing research in order to prevent PR disasters like this.
But let's just wait and see with which good or bad ideas they will come up with next...
we believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games.
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Good thing they realized the value of their community. The staying power of people playing their games is their real strength.
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On July 10 2010 02:16 Tone_ wrote:
Awesome. Now let's re-start ultra-rage about cross-realm play and chat channels!
Yeah, if you can get a bunch of major news organizations to report on the monumental disappointment of SC2 lacking chat channels and cross-realm play during beta, you might be onto something. Otherwise save your energy
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Oh yeah!
Where were we? Ah... CHAT CHANNELS!
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Mike Morhaime's always been such a boss. Pun intended.
Too bad he has to report to Activision staff..
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Not surprised in the slightest. Too much negativity surrounding the idea to ever have it implemented.
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too bad, was really looking forward to seeing blizzard hang itself with this
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On July 10 2010 02:09 Omar91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention. This guy is probably right
No, most likely he is wrong.
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It is good to see that they acknowledged the feedback and reversed this decision.
At least Bashiok got his 15 minutes of fame, the poor guy.
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publicity stunt? lol questionable.. but i guess they do listen to us from some of the patch changes (towards the end of phase 1)
or maybe they were embarassed by how much it made the news and all the angry comments from the articles lol
dont really care since ive only posted there once or twice for bug reports
JUST MAKE SC2 THE BEST GAME IN THE WORLD KTHX
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Fantastic. But what is Blizzard going to throw at us next?
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wow great news, how far a little bad press goes
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On July 10 2010 02:19 phrixus wrote:
too bad, was really looking forward to seeing blizzard hang itself with this
i'm going to revoke your SC2 as punishment for your blasphemy
:D
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Customer{BASE} spams "Shitstorm" all over the internet, Acti_BlizzION tries to save their RealID expansion but quickly GGs.
Lesson here: We can control Kotick with our wallets!
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The WoW us forums reached roughly 2450 pages and the EU wow forums reached 750 pages.
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well that is certainly a relief
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On July 10 2010 02:10 Mulloy wrote:
They just need to have a single ID which shows all characters tied to an account, tbqh.
This would work. Couldn't make a smurf wow toon or bnet 1.0 account and start trolling if it lists all your main aliases as well. But to be honest Blizzard provides a direct feedback option via e-mail, I'd say anyone with serious/quality feedback should use that option, this way you make SURE that someone at Blizzard sees it and isn't buried in the forums.
You can't blame Blizzard for trying to make their forums more productive and a better place to communicate about their games, but, clearly forced Real ID is the wrong way to go about it. My qualms about having my real name displayed are not about identity theft, or people finding out what I look like/my Facebook page (no I haven't integrated but who knows).
Quite simply my problem with the Real ID being forced was very basic, 1. You are forced to do something without any options otherwise and 2. Friends from other friend groups (i.e. casual gamer friends not hard-core gamer friends) would end up finding out you play SC2, or whatever game, be noob, and try to get you to teach them how to play. And if anyone I know is reading no offense to any of you, but I really do not get any benefit out of teaching a lesser player (other than some gratification I taught someone something and it stuck).
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It was just a bad idea to begin with
like sandwiches in a can...
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They tried.
Kotick personally wants Bnet to be a social network.
They will not leave it at that.
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Great news.
Now we know that we can make things change if we put enough effort!
Let's cancel the Facebook friends feature now :D
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We have to thank the wow players :D
Phew !
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At least blizzard listens when their ENTIRE customer base is against them. Thank you.
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Their intentions are good, forums with less trolls and better mannered posters I'm all for it. This realid debacle was just not the way to do it. Being able to rate posts instead is a much better way to do it cos more or less everyone is eachothers moderator. Hopefully they still tie in the actual account with the forums so people will still try and not be such assholes since getting banned will result in you also losing the right to play the game etc. One can hope anyways.
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While it's awesome that they did eventually concede, I don't think that this is necessarily a sign of better things in the future. It's not like media will give a shit about any of the other complaints
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B.net will not be empty thanks to that decision.... yay
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We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat,
Eh? Is this new or have I just had my head in the sand? Cross-Realm chat would only make sense if they were to include Cross-Realm play at some point.
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On July 10 2010 02:20 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:09 Omar91 wrote:On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention. This guy is probably right No, most likely he is wrong.
Headline news tomorrow: World of Warcraft dev supports community! Statements about how much they care about their fans. etc.
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Well, surprise surprise... I just hope this wasn't a ruse to implement a smaller change for the worse and go like "well this isn't as bad, come on".
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Beautiful!!! Good Job, Blizzard. Anybody think that video with Hitler made an impact? 
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in before explosion? at least they listened... Although how could they not have with all of the commotion.
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On July 10 2010 02:23 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, Eh? Is this new or have I just had my head in the sand? Cross-Realm chat would only make sense if they were to include Cross-Realm play at some point.
He means that mostly with regards to WoW.
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On July 10 2010 02:21 Xanrae wrote:
They tried.
Kotick personally wants Bnet to be a social network.
They will not leave it at that.
Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In the end they will succeed cause thats where the big money is . Imo its ridiculous that you have to fight that much for simple privacy in a video game.
Well its a small victory but the battle is far from being over.
Well the only thing they succeeded in is me not trusting them anymore at all ^^
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Whether or not it was Activision/Kotick pulling the strings on this one really remains to be seen. However in general I think Blizzard needs to make it clear, early in the relationship with Activision they will not be pushed around, and degrade their games intentionally to make money, every feature they give in on and let Activision dictate what happens with, is one step closer to another IW. Note: Blizzard is FAR and away from being this dire, but its a slippery slope with Activision, if anyone from Blizz is reading this forum - Beware the Greedy Kotick.
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I've just watched the Husky video and now this
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They didnt back off cause of thousands of angry nerds or else we would have xrealm and chatrooms they backed of cause news organziations covered it, saying it would get people killed blah blah blah. This is bad for them attracting the casual gamer which is what they are after. Which is funny because the casual gamer wouldnt use the forums anyways. Face it guys blizzard is trying to make money (rightfully so) this was a good choice for them because if they didnt do it they would lose sales (not just 1 or 2). They are not going to lose sales to hardcore players like most of us if we dont get everything we want. That is why there is no rush on cross realm/chat rooms (I do believe we get them eventually though)
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On July 10 2010 02:24 TheBearPaw wrote:Beautiful!!! Good Job, Blizzard. Anybody think that video with Hitler made an impact?
What video? I'm curious.
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wow, this is huge. blizzard has evolved into an ultralisk O.O, if that makes sense ...
im very happy about this decision even though i was for real ID policy. anyways thanks blizz.
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On July 10 2010 02:13 pheer wrote:
Sometimes I wonder why they don't just make a poll in the first place, to see how the community feels ahead of time. But good to see this changed.
Or, you know, just think things through. Or just think, in general.
Most people have been flabbergasted at this move. Journalists have been writing essay of how stupid is was. One must think there was, at some point, someone at Blizzard thinking: "Hold on just a second, what the hell are we doing? This is ludicrous!"
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If only they would be so upfront with all the demanded sc2 bnet changes. but otherwise yay!
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On July 10 2010 02:26 Orange Goblin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:13 pheer wrote:
Sometimes I wonder why they don't just make a poll in the first place, to see how the community feels ahead of time. But good to see this changed. Or, you know, just think things through. Or just think, in general. Most people have been flabbergasted at this move. Journalists have been writing essay of how stupid is was. One must think there was, at some point, someone at Blizzard thinking: "Hold on just a second, what the hell are we doing? This is ludicrous!"
I know some of the people who are roughly around that level of decision making, although on the WoW side.
I will confess to not being very surprised.
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Hahaha...this is funny. Power to the People!!!
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Saw it coming :p I mean seriously, there was just no way Blizzard would go through with this after the shitstorm it caused.
Edit: I still maintain that everyone were overreacting though.
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On July 10 2010 02:17 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:11 Kashmir wrote:On July 10 2010 02:07 ta2 wrote:
WE WON ...for now. Maybe I'm just the suspicious type but the whole fiasco sure hasn't left me trusting them much. I'm thinking the same. Yea they revoked a stupid idea... but now we are embracing them with loving arms? I simply don't trust that the people making the user settings decissions for Blizzard know what the hell they are doing anymore.
This is exactly how I feel. I'm also very dubious still about the whole realid thing, though it is certainly good it won't go on the forums, if they are trying to push it into the games, it's still bad :/
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On July 10 2010 02:26 Orange Goblin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:13 pheer wrote:
Sometimes I wonder why they don't just make a poll in the first place, to see how the community feels ahead of time. But good to see this changed. Or, you know, just think things through. Or just think, in general. Most people have been flabbergasted at this move. Journalists have been writing essay of how stupid is was. One must think there was, at some point, someone at Blizzard thinking: "Hold on just a second, what the hell are we doing? This is ludicrous!"
Of course there was, they just got outvoted. I'm sure there are plenty inside Blizzard who are happy they are reverting back. This whole real name crap always struck me as a marketing move, not a game dev one.
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On July 10 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
COLBERT WINS THE THREAD GGYO
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"We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games."
Wait. But do you really want chat rooms?
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So guess it's about time to say sorry to Bashiok. He was an innocent sacrifice.
However, this RealID enables cross realm chat thing is ridiculous. From a programming/database/communication perspective there is no difference between real IDs and aliases. If it is possible for real IDs then it is possible for anonymous aliases. I guess they want to slowly drive people towards a real ID system anyways. Just like the rest of the internet (especially platforms like facebook), they are slowly moving away from anonymity and privacy.
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On July 10 2010 02:28 cromat wrote:
"We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games."
Wait. But do you really want chat rooms?
BNET 2.0 - We provide awesome features for communications between players if you use Real ID. However we provide no way of meeting people other than when you are playing and not socializing. Enjoy.
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Thank God! It's too bad a few people had to be martyred for this to happen though. Anybody know if Bashiok ever started to post again?
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Just let it be known, that I love the idea of Real ID. And I love what it means for gaming in general. Its just I feel they are ahead of the times, gaming really isnt considered cool, or good yet. Employers and just people in general dont respect gamers in western culture as of yet, especially the hardcore genre that RTS is. And its hard to move something forward when in reality the industry just isnt ready for it.
I would love for this to be implemented in the future, just when the culture has changed, and there are more laws, and monitoring and protecting the online user. But as of now, the world just isnt ready for it. Thank you blizzard.
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We did IT! Yay victory! I knew they'd do the right things! Faith Restored woosh!
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On July 10 2010 02:30 Helios.Star wrote:
Thank God! It's too bad a few people had to be martyred for this to happen though. Anybody know if Bashiok ever started to post again?
I believe he was posting yesterday.
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gg no re
Common sense wins for a change.
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Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
Respect! word from the big guy are soothing my irritation very fast. I am very glad that it actually came from Mike himself.
Good work Blizzard
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I'm glad this is no longer mandatory. It was ridicules.
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I'm glad they cancelled the plan for now. Bnet forums were about to become a shitfest.
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On July 10 2010 02:09 Omar91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention. This guy is probably right
LOL...it's such a grim outlook that it's probably true. 
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That must be some kind of record time for Blizzard to act from community backlash
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I wonder what it would take to trigger an Infinity Ward style event where Blizzard ups and walks away from Activision.
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On July 10 2010 02:29 spinesheath wrote:
So guess it's about time to say sorry to Bashiok. He was an innocent sacrifice.
I'll support that, good guy got hit with sledge hammer for wrong reasons....
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great succes
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I'm a bit disappointed with all of this...everyone is happy now that RealID won't be forced on the forums, and no one seems to remember that this is still in Blizzards plans:
'Blizzard has reserved the right to “enhance or merge the personal information collected at a Blizzard site with data from third parties. Blizzard may also provide your personal information to other companies or organizations that offer products or services that may be of interest to you.”'
It's as if they tryied pushing through with something they knew would have fans in uproar, and when they admit they were wrong, no one will notice that other small thing they really wanted to push through in the first place
But I guess we should still see this as a good sign, Blizzard listening to their community
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This is good news. But i still don't understand the original desicion to implement real id on forums.
I mean I cant really see how a company like Blizzard doesn't think a major change like this through?
Did they not expect the major shitstorm this would cause? The positive aspects hardly outweighted the negative ones but they sill announced it. Then just moments later does a U-turn about NOT doing without any real reason behind it.
Is this another blizzard/activition clash? Perhaps a clash between the battle.net director who came over from Xbox live and the core founding persons of Blizzard?
Such a weird situation imo.
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On July 10 2010 02:33 jtgizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:29 spinesheath wrote:
So guess it's about time to say sorry to Bashiok. He was an innocent sacrifice.
I'll support that, good guy got hit with sledge hammer for wrong reasons....
Why ? he shouldnt have put all his personal data online in the first place.
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On July 10 2010 02:32 StayFrosty wrote:
I'm glad they cancelled the plan for now. Bnet forums were about to become a shitfest.
The forums were about to become a barren wasteland.
One of the most obvious reasons for them to revert this change is the simple conclusion that if people don't like it, they wont use the forums. And what good are your new and improved forums if nobody ever posts on them. Kinda defeats the community mission doesn't it.
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Why would you ever use bnet forums anyway? That place if full of retards. The only reason to use that would be for solving technical issues.
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On July 10 2010 02:34 Odoakar wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed with all of this...everyone is happy now that RealID won't be forced on the forums, and no one seems to remember that this is still in Blizzards plans:
EVERYBODY remembers that, don't be cynical!
For now this is a small victory for the blizzard customers, and thus it's also a win for Blizzard.
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impressive. we won...
people shall sing about this battles for aeons to come!
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TL: Striking fear into the hearts of Activision since 2008.
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I'm impressed that all that effort actually made something happend.
Good job guys.
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Good work guys. I'm sure the 50 000 posts on the WoW forums probably helped too .
...no really, the initial thread has almost 2500 pages, that's like 50 000 posts. Crazyness!
I'm just really trying to figure out how these weird suggestions keep getting announced at all...I mean, it seems to me there are a lot of bad ideas coming out of Blizzard lately. At least they listen to their playerbase here and there.
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On July 10 2010 02:34 Odoakar wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed with all of this...everyone is happy now that RealID won't be forced on the forums, and no one seems to remember that this is still in Blizzards plans:
'Blizzard has reserved the right to “enhance or merge the personal information collected at a Blizzard site with data from third parties. Blizzard may also provide your personal information to other companies or organizations that offer products or services that may be of interest to you.”'
That's standard fare now. They probably are sharing something with Facebook. I would think that's the end of it. I mean... what particularly senstitive data is unique to your bnet account?I guess playtime/ hardcore gamer level, but I can't see that being particularly harmful to you if it's released to a 3rd party.
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oh blizzard, i can't stay mad at you.
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On July 10 2010 02:34 Odoakar wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed with all of this...everyone is happy now that RealID won't be forced on the forums, and no one seems to remember that this is still in Blizzards plans:
'Blizzard has reserved the right to “enhance or merge the personal information collected at a Blizzard site with data from third parties. Blizzard may also provide your personal information to other companies or organizations that offer products or services that may be of interest to you.”'
It's as if they tryied pushing through with something they knew would have fans in uproar, and when they admit they were wrong, no one will notice that other small thing they really wanted to push through in the first place
But I guess we should still see this as a good sign, Blizzard listening to their community
As I mentioned already, I think they just plan to establish the RealID system gradually. I don't think they expected that uproar, though, considering that they already work with facebook and facebook basically ignores privacy anyways, so they probably thought that people are fine with this.
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I'm glad they cancelled it, to bad it came at the cost of giving out a CM's personal information and people finding everything about this guys life on the blizz forums.
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It's a step in the right direction, but still no channels and no LAN. It's a good step for safety reasons, but not for gaming reasons.
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Usually you break the bad news before the good news...hopefully EU servers will be up before the week-end!
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Germany767 Posts
I am kinda thinking that Bashiok might have sacrificed himself to proof the point.
At least its a nice thought and nothing we can exclude.
If I am really right, I salute to him.
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Wow this was the last thing i was expecting from blizzard. Maybe its because the news got involved and didn't wanna hurt the reputation of the company as a whole? Idc though woot
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The people have spoken. But I have a feeling this may be the last victory over the evil Activision overlords of Blizzard.
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I played devil's advocate for the idea a little bit but always thought that they would U-turn.
Glad they did.
On July 10 2010 02:40 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I am kinda thinking that Bashiok might have sacrificed himself to proof the point.
At least its a nice thought and nothing we can exclude.
If I am really right, I salute to him.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He seems like a level-headed guy and thus I find it hard to believe he didn't really know what would happen when he threw is name into the shitfest. It seemed like an obvious bait to me.
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That's definetly a good move
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This is fantastic news indeed.
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So now, the community's happy about this meaningless change(come on, 99% of us never even posted there fuck that, besides it's not that big a deal, names...) And we'll all be pleased with Blizzard instead of looking at the currently still very very sad state of battle.net 2.0
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A way to concede defeat without conceding defeat.
Seems like only one guy had to expose his real name to spook the Blizzard guys.
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Wait and see, Blizzard have many bad things still in their pockets, since this company is own by technocrats who didn't play their games, just collect our money.
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Well done blizzard! I wasn't overly concerned but _nobody_ wanted this Real ID to go through.
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Eh, I'm a little disappointed that Blizzard caved. I think it could have been a positive step forward in making the Internet a more sane place. I suppose I was one of the three or four people in the world who didn't really care if my real name was attached to my words.
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Maybe but only maybe it was a publicity stunt - I mean they got a lot of response in various magazines (online) for free.
And now in the end they even end with beeing the best company ever in your minds by doing what the comunity wants.
just my 2 cents..
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I won't say congratulations because this was just stupid.
Cross-region play, LAN, great interface... Some other things they might want to work on asap.
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Booyah! GG WP everyone :D
Now we have to do the same regarding chatrooms and the rest of battle.net 0.2!
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Gaming is seriouz biz, full of assassins, stalkers and evil people of doom, we need to protect our names, imagine the voodoo those 15-year olds could do with them.
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hmn... maybe they should think possible consequences through before trying to implement such changes.
But on the other hand it shows that they still care (and thats for sure what they wanted).
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On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined.
Not enough thought. lol.
Nice job, whining kids!
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AWESOME!:D Blizzard has really changed their plans for sc2 alot really at the start they didn't even consider making cross-realm play or tourmanent lan possible, It were going down but its starting to move forwards instead of backwards, Cheer for blizzard!
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just when i was getting used to the idea
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Well this is good news indeed.
Happy to see this today :D
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On July 10 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
ahaahahah woohoo!
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On July 10 2010 02:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Amazing I actually wasn't sure they could be convinced to change this one, but I'm glad I was wrong.
Yeah, I also wasn't sure if we would be able to make the change but thanks to everyone... All the Blizzard Fans, thanks to the WoW community also, we always make jokes about them but they are also part of the Blizzard Fanbase.
Amazing U-turn.
clap clap clap
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On July 10 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
This picture pretty much perfectly sums up my feelings right now.
I'm really glad Blizzard listened to us and changed their minds. Blizzard retains awesomeness.
On July 10 2010 02:40 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I am kinda thinking that Bashiok might have sacrificed himself to proof the point.
At least its a nice thought and nothing we can exclude.
If I am really right, I salute to him.
It could be true and if true, he deserves the salute. Bashiok would be badass enough to do it. I'll salute him for taking one for the team, whether intentional or not.
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![[image loading]](http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mission-accomplished.png)
yay now we could all stop stalking blizzard employees
Edit: i was really worried at first that The head of activision was just going to ignore the wishes of those who posted against us and go through it anyway...really reassuring that didnt happen
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Blizzard actually listened to us!
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And once again , blizzard is a god now..
Gamers have worse mood swings then a girl on her period
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The best community in the world :D. Put our foot down!!!
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On July 10 2010 02:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Amazing I actually wasn't sure they could be convinced to change this one, but I'm glad I was wrong.
I thought the same thing. Looking through the BlizzardPR's twitter, they seemed hell bent on keeping this first and last name business for good.
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Glad to see Blizzard listened to everyone's concerns. Yeah, I was defending it, but not because I thought it was the only good idea they could use; the intention was to help, after all, although as many people brought up, there are other ways. It was a bit disheartening to see that people really didn't trust their fellow gamers. But in retrospect, I guess there isn't much of a reason to.
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Good decision.
Now remove the possibility to see irl friends of irl friends ingame.
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Someone needs to post in that official battle net topic that this smells like PR bullshit.
1. In no way does it clearly state ReaLID names canceled in the Thread title itself. They can leave it open for the future like this.
2. I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
At this time? jeez, that's the 2nd time which leaves everything open to be introduced again in the near future.
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Indeed GJ Blizz
This was one of the stupidest things they have done in a while.
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Good job! They messed up, but then they fixed it. ^^
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The real question remains: a calculated publicity stunt or poor judgment?
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United States889 Posts
This is good, but we need to inspire a full retreat on all of the things that matter. Maybe we'll get our LAN in some form, but there's still chat rooms and cross realm play to nail down.
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well finally seems like part of the Ol' Blizz is here watching and caring a bit for their community and kind of parody of what Mao said once "if all hundreds of thousands of blizz users decide to stomp on the ground the world is gonna get it"
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On July 10 2010 02:59 TossFloss wrote:
The real question remains: a calculated publicity stunt or poor judgment?
Honestly, they've dropped the ball on so many things I doubt this is a stunt of any kind. I'm pretty sure they didn't have a high opinion of their customers until we started backlashing, maybe they thought they could get away with this agenda. THEY WERE WRONG!
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On July 10 2010 02:54 PietjeP wrote:And once again , blizzard is a god now.. Gamers have worse mood swings then a girl on her period
Well, beta on hiatus = a nerd's period. Angry mood swings and can end in uncontrolled bloodshed.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention, you guys didn't "win."
Sadly, you're probably right. It's like when a celebrity "accidentally" leaks naked pictures on the internet.
Still, good PR move by blizzard.
"Do something terrible" ---> "let the community rage" ---> "media whore attention" ---> "cancel said terrible thing" ---> "everyone loves blizzard".
Oldest trick in the book.
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This thread deserves the Colbert Bump.
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awww 4chan didn't even get a chance to screw with the info yet
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too bad we cant get this type of response with chat channels/lan/region lock
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On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention, you guys didn't "win."
yep, definitely agree with that analysis. Bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity. Blizzard made news on every major tech place and even in newspapers/reputable online sources.
so yah, they succeeded.
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On July 10 2010 03:02 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention, you guys didn't "win." Sadly, you're probably right. It's like when a celebrity "accidentally" leaks naked pictures on the internet. Still, good PR move by blizzard. "Do something terrible" ---> "let the community rage" ---> "media whore attention" ---> "cancel said terrible thing" ---> "everyone loves blizzard". Oldest trick in the book.
I think it's both. Maybe they did have plans to do it, for the intent of trying to make the forums better, but figured the reaction would be poor, but would easily be able to remedy themselves in the aftermath by just saying that the community hates it, so they won't do it.
Personally I don't think that even matters really. Now (some of) the concerns people had are gone, and that's a good thing.
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On July 10 2010 02:59 TossFloss wrote:
The real question remains: a calculated publicity stunt or poor judgment?
The cynic in me picks option 3. Makes a godawful change, then revert it. You gain approval from all the disgruntled fans, which simultaneously detracts from the negative attention the other mistakes were causing.
Basically, this [b.net real ID] pushes the whole issue with lack of b.net functionality and cross-realm support to the back of people's minds and then removing it makes people think positively of Blizzard again.
I refuse to believe anything altruistic comes from Morhaime.
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Well the whole thing worked out to be a very nice piece of marketing the amount of news coverage they got and now they get to look good to the community too as they follow our advice....
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On July 10 2010 03:02 HeIios wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:59 TossFloss wrote:
The real question remains: a calculated publicity stunt or poor judgment? Honestly, they've dropped the ball on so many things I doubt this is a stunt of any kind. I'm pretty sure they didn't have a high opinion of their customers until we started backlashing, maybe they thought they could get away with this agenda. THEY WERE WRONG!
Does not seem like a publicity stunt at all. Real ID is not something they are playing around with and could throw away at any time. They want to implement this system badly, for various reasons, and they will keep Real ID anyway. They just put it away temporarily. Be sure that this topic will come back sooner or later.
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F*CK, society failed. A big step-down seriously..
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I hate it when people say blizzard doesn't have a high opionion of their customers. They are their own customer; they love their games. There and well over 50 blue posts every day communicating balance changes for wow and starcraft. There obviously was a well thought out plan for real ID, and blizzard underestimated how much people value their privacy. The customers are everything to blizzard.
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Like anyone didn't see this coming.
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lol I'm always surprised at the prevalence of conspiracy theorist-type thinking here at TL.
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I'm not sure I would subscribe to the idea that this was a calculated ploy; if it was, poor Mitch got thrown under the bus pretty badly and I have to assume he would be a bit disgruntled about it.
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nice one
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On July 10 2010 03:06 WolfStar wrote:Well the whole thing worked out to be a very nice piece of marketing the amount of news coverage they got and now they get to look good to the community too as they follow our advice....
Yeah Blizz looks really good for coming up with a shitty idea, sitting back while everyone protested, and then giving in with a very unapologetic announcement. Fantastic PR for them.
I suppose if Blizzard released SC2 as an atrociously unbalanced game and then fixed it with a patch that'd be a publicity stunt too? Or what if they wrote a letter degrading all of their fans as worthless lowlifes, and then retracted it? What about something nastier, like secretly including a trojan with SC2 that they later disabled? Or why not just have Mike Morhaime go on a killing spree, like some really CSI:Miami, twisted shit? The jail sentence would definitely be worth it, for all the "free" publicity that would generate for Blizzard!
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Not to mention it would have been illegal in many countries.
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Awesome. Conspiracy or not.
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On July 10 2010 03:06 WolfStar wrote:Well the whole thing worked out to be a very nice piece of marketing the amount of news coverage they got and now they get to look good to the community too as they follow our advice....
Nice piece of marketing? You must have a very skewed definition of nice. It was not Blizzard's intention to get as much media coverage as possible with this. You cannot really claim this as a success for them when they didn't get what they wanted.
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Could have seen that coming.
GG Blizzard, GG.
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Woo! Good job Blizzard for listening.
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On July 10 2010 03:11 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:06 WolfStar wrote:Well the whole thing worked out to be a very nice piece of marketing the amount of news coverage they got and now they get to look good to the community too as they follow our advice.... Yeah Blizz looks really good for coming up with a shitty idea, sitting back while everyone protested, and then giving in with a very unapologetic announcement. Fantastic PR for them. I suppose if Blizzard released SC2 as an atrociously unbalanced game and then fixed it with a patch that'd be a publicity stunt too? Or what if they wrote a letter degrading all of their fans as worthless lowlifes, and then retracted it? What about something nastier, like secretly including a trojan with SC2 that they later disabled? Now that would really generate some press.
To the mainstream media, they are "World of Warcraft" developer. They get a huge PR boost from this now since they are the World of Warcraft dev who listens to and loves their fans.
Posted on another fourm:
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Do you think Blizzard is THAT out of touch with their fans to know what they are doing? Pretty much every Blizz employee plays World of Warcraft, and dozens of them were fans of Blizzard games before they joined. There is 0 chance they are THAT out of touch with their playerbase, it's just not possible.
There are 2 likely scenarios for this whole event
1) Activision made them do it. They listened. Now they are taking a stand and they use Mike because it's likely he can't get fired by Activision (I don't know their corporate structure)
2) Blizzard / Activision made this decision knowing the huge uproar it would cause, to get media attention. Then they would say they love the community and would not implement the changes for us, making them look awesome.
Please consider:
1) They pushed to provide feedback in two consolidated threads. This lets media outlets realize the huge impact it's having.
2) They announced it without asking the community, knowing we wouldn't like it.
3) The changes were never implemented on the phase 2 bnet forums. It's a simple change that takes 5 seconds, changing the string displayed on the forum.
4) They backed out, really fast.
5) The game is so near launch, and they want hype.
Also consider Activision Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 hype machine, also known as the "terrorist level."
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I don't think it was a PR stunt. But it's good to see that blizzard still cares enough to listen to the community and aren't so set in their ways that they're unable to adapt.
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awesome.. i was thinking earlier of how there isn't a single thing i don't like about Blizzard besides this and now its gone.
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im not sold on it yet, they didn't draw a line in the sand... they just sort of "ok we wont do it for now".
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I don't think its so much them listening to the internet as much as people on the internet starting to e-stalk their employees >_>
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LAN and Region unclock next ???
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blizzard did the right thing
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
dont you see they had no real intention to carry out this change? of course they knew it would be met with fervent opposition i mean who wants to lose anonymity on the internet? this was all a clever ruse to divert people's anger away from the broken thing that is bnet2.0 and focus it on something else. now by seemingly 'listening' to the community and reversing this, they seem like the good guys. please dont tell me you guys are buying this.
then again im not a world class cynic for nothing...
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awesome! go community
their experiment failed quickly, thank god
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fantastic news, it would have been devastating if they actually implemented this.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Amazing I actually wasn't sure they could be convinced to change this one, but I'm glad I was wrong.
Huzzah! This calls for a bro-fist marathon, methinks.
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Staying with Real ID is the way to go. This whole person ID think kind of freaked me out. Always good to see Blizzard listening to their gamer base.
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On July 10 2010 03:23 Telcontar wrote:
dont you see they had no real intention to carry out this change? of course they knew it would be met with fervent opposition i mean who wants to lose anonymity on the internet? this was all a clever ruse to divert people's anger away from the broken thing that is bnet2.0 and focus it on something else. now by seemingly 'listening' to the community and reversing this, they seem like the good guys. please dont tell me you guys are buying this.
then again im not a world class cynic for nothing...
No, you are a world class cynic, and a healthy dose of paranoid too. This was most likely one designer or executive's pet feature, and I doubt ANYONE else wanted it or ever will.
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To all of those theorizing about it being a marketing plot and a PR stunt:
I honestly don't care either way. Whether it was a stunt, activision forced agenda that blizzard took a stand on, or an honest miscalculation that was redacted after the uproar. All I care about is real id is remaining, at least for the moment, what it should be - completely optional.
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On July 10 2010 03:17 PokePill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Do you think Blizzard is THAT out of touch with their fans to know what they are doing? Pretty much every Blizz employee plays World of Warcraft, and dozens of them were fans of Blizzard games before they joined. There is 0 chance they are THAT out of touch with their playerbase, it's just not possible.
There are 2 likely scenarios for this whole event
1) Activision made them do it. They listened. Now they are taking a stand and they use Mike because it's likely he can't get fired by Activision (I don't know their corporate structure)
2) Blizzard / Activision made this decision knowing the huge uproar it would cause, to get media attention. Then they would say they love the community and would not implement the changes for us, making them look awesome.
Please consider:
1) They pushed to provide feedback in two consolidated threads. This lets media outlets realize the huge impact it's having.
2) They announced it without asking the community, knowing we wouldn't like it.
3) The changes were never implemented on the phase 2 bnet forums. It's a simple change that takes 5 seconds, changing the string displayed on the forum.
4) They backed out, really fast.
5) The game is so near launch, and they want hype.
Also consider Activision Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 hype machine, also known as the "terrorist level."
I can't agree with that person's "consideration" points, because he/she ignores that Blizzard said the forums were going to be new and not retroactive, which completely destroys #3 as something that takes 5 seconds, and ignores the fact Blizzard does a few things without asking the community beforehand. Blizzard also probably really does want better forum posting, and consolidating the major issue can also be seen as a way to prevent a ton of angry mobs from making massive amounts of redundant threads.
Also, backing out really fast is also probably expected when they haven't really invested much into it and the feedback is horrible.
While I'm sure PR is something they realized and took advantage of, it's probably not as easy as "They just wanted PR" or "They just made a stupid mistake and consumers won."
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On July 10 2010 03:17 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:11 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:06 WolfStar wrote:Well the whole thing worked out to be a very nice piece of marketing the amount of news coverage they got and now they get to look good to the community too as they follow our advice.... Yeah Blizz looks really good for coming up with a shitty idea, sitting back while everyone protested, and then giving in with a very unapologetic announcement. Fantastic PR for them. I suppose if Blizzard released SC2 as an atrociously unbalanced game and then fixed it with a patch that'd be a publicity stunt too? Or what if they wrote a letter degrading all of their fans as worthless lowlifes, and then retracted it? What about something nastier, like secretly including a trojan with SC2 that they later disabled? Now that would really generate some press. To the mainstream media, they are "World of Warcraft" developer. They get a huge PR boost from this now since they are the World of Warcraft dev who listens to and loves their fans. Posted on another fourm: + Show Spoiler +
Do you think Blizzard is THAT out of touch with their fans to know what they are doing? Pretty much every Blizz employee plays World of Warcraft, and dozens of them were fans of Blizzard games before they joined. There is 0 chance they are THAT out of touch with their playerbase, it's just not possible.
There are 2 likely scenarios for this whole event
1) Activision made them do it. They listened. Now they are taking a stand and they use Mike because it's likely he can't get fired by Activision (I don't know their corporate structure)
2) Blizzard / Activision made this decision knowing the huge uproar it would cause, to get media attention. Then they would say they love the community and would not implement the changes for us, making them look awesome.
Please consider:
1) They pushed to provide feedback in two consolidated threads. This lets media outlets realize the huge impact it's having.
2) They announced it without asking the community, knowing we wouldn't like it.
3) The changes were never implemented on the phase 2 bnet forums. It's a simple change that takes 5 seconds, changing the string displayed on the forum.
4) They backed out, really fast.
5) The game is so near launch, and they want hype.
Also consider Activision Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 hype machine, also known as the "terrorist level."
I don't see how Blizzard making an awful mistake can possibly be a "PR boost" for them. Dumb gaffes don't help your brand. Are you really suggesting that it was worth it for Blizzard to embarrass itself and upset its core customer base to get some non-gamer types to read "World of Warcraft" and "StarCraft 2" a couple times on the frontpage of CNN.com?
And how mindless do you think WoW fans are that they could possibly like Blizzard more for simply fixing its own stupid mistake? Like, do you like Blizzard more now? Who thinks that way?
1) Consolidating feedback was the only way for Blizz to control the deluge of complaints, TL did the same thing. (MAYBE TL IS IN ON THE PLOY TOO???)
2) When has Blizzard ever asked the gaming community before making changes it knows we won't like.
3) Wasn't Real ID always planned to be implemented in the future? Why should Blizzard have implemented Real ID on its "phase 2" B.Net forums?
4) That's what happens when you create an embarrassing shitstorm and you want to end it. Furthermore if Blizzard just wanted the PR, why wouldn't it let the saga continue? MORE forum posts, MORE complaints, MORE news stories about how Blizz has its head up its ass! Perfect!
5) Ok...that cuts both ways: why would Blizz intentionally send its customers on tilt at this crucial time?
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United States5162 Posts
LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
Blizzard doesn't need PR, especially this kind. 'Any attention is good attention' does not apply to Blizzard since they're already a well known company. A rise an awareness has to make up for the bad PR, and Blizzard can't expand awareness much more than it already had.
Some people at Blizzard legitimately thought this was a good idea or they wouldn't have done it. That, combined with the many other poor decisions they've made, worries me most of all.
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Mission Accomplished. Now we turn our fanboy rage to chatrooms!
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While blizzard does many questionable things. Was this actually a bad thing? Who cares about bnet forums? With less people posting their would be less trash anyway.
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On July 10 2010 03:23 Telcontar wrote:
dont you see they had no real intention to carry out this change? of course they knew it would be met with fervent opposition i mean who wants to lose anonymity on the internet? this was all a clever ruse to divert people's anger away from the broken thing that is bnet2.0 and focus it on something else. now by seemingly 'listening' to the community and reversing this, they seem like the good guys. please dont tell me you guys are buying this.
then again im not a world class cynic for nothing...
No this was just simply a really bad PR move. Most people would just remember the news statements claiming Blizzard was going to force people to use their real names and just ignore the game. By reversing their decision they just cut off any further losses.
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They've been ruining their reputation in a matter of months which took them more than 10 years to build.
- no Lan
- no Cross Region Play
- no Chat Channels (only semi confirmed that it will have some sort of chat)
- in-game ADS? (they got a deal with the Microsoft owned AD agency)
- Facebook integration - almost no one cares
- Real ID - security issues, leaks have been made already, more will follow,
if they can hack creditcards, hardware, online banking, they can very easily
hack this
- what else did I forget?
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On July 10 2010 03:31 CagedMind wrote:
While blizzard does many questionable things. Was this actually a bad thing? Who cares about bnet forums? With less people posting their would be less trash anyway.
Bnet forums is where Blizzard gets most of their information from their customers. They'd rather get that information from their forums than having to look for it at TL.net or other fan forums.
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On July 10 2010 03:23 Telcontar wrote:
dont you see they had no real intention to carry out this change? of course they knew it would be met with fervent opposition i mean who wants to lose anonymity on the internet? this was all a clever ruse to divert people's anger away from the broken thing that is bnet2.0 and focus it on something else. now by seemingly 'listening' to the community and reversing this, they seem like the good guys. please dont tell me you guys are buying this.
then again im not a world class cynic for nothing...
I think this sounds like a plausible (although maybe not neccessarily likely) possibility. It does seem Blizzard has done that with all of the features in BNET 2.0. People complained about Identifiers, so they made an even worse system with non-unique usernames, so that when they converted back to Identifiers, everyone was happy. They didn't include chat rooms so that when they finally said they will include chat rooms some time after release, everyone will be happy (as opposed to it should have had chat rooms to begin with).
It is hard to believe that they would have even thought of using a real name identifier system since that would have so many negative impacts on their image, especially if someone used it to murder or harass someone or something like that and it became popular in the media. Although I guess it is possible they didn't think of that and then they finally realized that they could potentially be helping out criminals and so they decided to cancel it.
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On July 10 2010 03:31 CagedMind wrote:
While blizzard does many questionable things. Was this actually a bad thing? Who cares about bnet forums? With less people posting their would be less trash anyway.
I'm no expert, but I think most of the uproar was from WoW fans who really do use the B.Net forums to communicate. Also there was the case that if the SC2 B.Net forums were ever going to take off, this Real ID thing would have to go. And perhaps Blizzard will really make an effort to keep B.Net forums clean for SC2. They must care to some extent about their own forums.
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On July 10 2010 02:08 PokePill wrote:
The entire thing was a ploy for media attention, you guys didn't "win."
Hold on while I dig out my tin foil hat. Let's keep a lid on the crazy, please.
In seriousness, people - females in particular - had alot to be fearful of had they gone ahead with this real name business. I don't think Blizz quite thought it through the way they should have, or this never would have been proposed. Even companies like Blizz make absolute blunders now and then - this is one of them.
This post pretty much sums up what was so wrong with the idea. I like her idea of associating any post with ALL characters on a WoW account to prevent trolling on a Level 1 alt.
http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416
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And there's the pitch...Blizzard swings.....it's going...it'S GOING....IT'S GONE!!!!! (No swing and miss this time)
Anyways, this is a smart move by Blizz (even though the switch probably wouldn't have made a huge impact towards sales...HOWEVER, it would've feedback-wise). Probably the harass that the one admin got was one reason why they made this move, but there were also a bunch more obviously (huge thread by TL!)
Good move, and this will definitely help them improve their games via feedback through the forums.
Now if they could just bring up the EU, Asia servers from my friends not living in the US!
+OP, your picture in this tread is AWESOME.
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Decision was pushed by Activision and I guess Mike Morhaime shut it down!
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Kinda funny that in the PR it mentions cross-game and cross-realm chat yet cross-realm play is nowhere to be seen.
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Good good! Blizzard shows they still listen to the community!
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I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.
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On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.
How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.
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Igne Vatura Renovatur Integra...
Suck it blizz.
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In the end on thing is certain.
As much as we spam blizzard its the Internet community that is not yet mature to handle real names.This will happen eventually in the future though.
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Good job Blizzard! Awesome news!
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On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.
ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).
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Good that they listen to the community on big changes like this.
As for all the cynics, this would have affected WoW alot more than SC2, so this being a ´pr stunt´ is really farfetched. If anything this is costing them sc2 copies cause I doubt all media is gonna rectify that they are not gonna go through with this change now.
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On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).
It would be illegal if they just gave out your name. you wouldnt be allowed to post on the forums unless you gave them consent to post your name
it was fine and legal, but it doesnt matter because it got reversed so lets not start up the same arguments as in the other 200 page thread.
It doesnt matter anymore
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Thank God. I assume they realized that Real ID wouldn't make the forums better, it would make them empty.
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How would an empty Bnet forum not be better than what's there now? Haha.
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I'm not surprised by the fact that they stopped it, but more by the fact that they considered it in the first place. I understand that it was to reduce trolling, but they could have thought of an easier solution.
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On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).
Um yes...
but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.
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Yeah, this was pretty needed. The stalking would be horrible.
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It's classic blizzard - Overnerf, then tune back slightly and everyone loves you, even though the result is still a nerf.
No one liked the ID system that was in place currently, or going to be in place on release. So they release a statement for the worst ID system to date, and no matter what they do after that we are going to love it.
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On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.
I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.
I doubt it would have passed in Germany our politician are on a user privacy train and bash google/facebook etc all day long ^^
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On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing. I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^
Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.
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LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS!
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On July 10 2010 04:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS!
Depends on the scale of bitching, raging and moaning. We still aren't getting classic chat-rooms.
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I can't help but feel this is a scapegoat for BNET 2.0 problems.
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On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.
The friends-of-friends having access to your Real ID and that exploit where you were automatically your own friend are lawsuits waiting to happen. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of that.
As for agreeing to ToS, I'm sure there are loopholes whereby Blizzard would not be immune from prosecution. For example, if a child had full access to his own account (maybe he pays with gametime cards etc), and agrees to the ToS - it's not legally binding since a child cannot make a legal contract. If I have a Battle.net account that I haven't logged into since 6 months ago, it gets hacked, the hacker then agrees to the new ToS, and uses the account for spamming.
Dunno which of the above traps they could fall into, but for sure I don't think they had all their bases covered.
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On July 10 2010 04:20 Ababoba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 04:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS! Depends on the scale of bitching, raging and moaning. We still aren't getting classic chat-rooms.
Psshh.. merely a sign that we haven't raged enough about it... 
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They still plan on tying in-game functionality to Real ID, which is a bad idea. This is a retreat by Blizzard, not a surrender.
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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816839821&sid=1
Hey Listen G, we realized we f00ked up and we ain't doin the real name bullshiz anymo.
Yo but we still wanna make it a betta place cause it straight sucks. We got other new shiz we wanna do. Yo can give or take away props on peeps to regulate dumb niggaz.
Also, we ain't doin the same shiz everywhere, we keepin it separate. We still think facebook is hot nigga! We wanna keep messin with this crap fo a minute tho.
By the way, I wanna say that I was jus tryin to hustle some paper dawg so I'm sorry if I offended you nig nogs. I'm only changin my shiz cause I woulda lost on on more chedda in the long run prolly. Glad you niggaz spoke up, cause if not, I'd be sellin woof tickets all day, word.
Peace Out
Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
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On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing. I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^ Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.
Also, Facebook makes you agree to their ToS, but that didn't stop the Canadian govt. ordering Facebook to make changes.
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Blizzard got dragged back by the balls :D
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On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing. I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^ Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.
Since my english is bad I will try to explain it with an example.
I open an online store and write in my ToS that if a customer wants to return a package then he must pay the shipment cost .!. Lots of shops did this in Germany.
Few days ago a court ruled this procedure to be against the law. --> My ToS is now "illegal" and not binding to the customer
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wow they changed it pretty fast
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On July 10 2010 04:28 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen. How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name. ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =). Um yes... but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing. I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^ Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it. Since my english is bad I will try to explain it with an example. I open an online store and write in my ToS that if a customer wants to return a package then he must pay the shipment cost .!. Lots of shops did this in germany Few days ago a court ruled this procedure to be against the law. --> My ToS is now "illegal" and not binding to the customer
It seems unlikely to me that this could happen in an American court, unless there is some complexity to these cases that we're not getting at (for example some statute regulating whether companies can make their customers pay shipping costs on returns, or whatever).
And your English seems perfect to me
I guess the bottom line is that I know of no US law that would prevent Blizzard from requiring real names to post on its forums, and I have a hunch that Blizzard would get lawyers competent enough to craft a legal, binding ToS that gave it the right to publish real names. Written agreements are very powerful in court.
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Is it just me or has blizzard been getting owned on everything that their trying to change. And who said bitching never pays off
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I doubt their long term goals have changed at all. We'll probably see something like this a year or so down the road, but they'll take a more gradual approach, I imagine.
At least they responded though, apparently there are some sane people at Blizzard still.
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hehe everyone we made it, blizzard cancel it :D
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nice, now kill facebook and it will be almost perfect :p
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On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined.
For real...I guess whining and crying works. I was looking forward to this change.
Oh well, I wonder what they'll whine about next?
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So Blizzard maybe listens to the community after all huh? Still gotta prove themselfs with the chat channels, cross realm play etc tho.
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YUUSSSS THEY ACTUALLY LISTEN!
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On July 10 2010 04:09 Sanguinarius wrote:
Yeah, this was pretty needed. The stalking would be horrible.
Stalking of whom?! You're nobody, I'm nobody, we would just keep being a zillion nobodies with our real names, there's really no reason people would stalk us. They'd stalk the famous players asking for them to give away their strats maybe... Oh wait most already do this for free and most already have their names known easily. People overreact a LOT and are extremely paranoid these days, it's like if you know a person's name you can hex her for ever.
The friends-of-friends having access to your Real ID and that exploit where you were automatically your own friend are lawsuits waiting to happen. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of that.
As for agreeing to ToS, I'm sure there are loopholes whereby Blizzard would not be immune from prosecution. For example, if a child had full access to his own account (maybe he pays with gametime cards etc), and agrees to the ToS - it's not legally binding since a child cannot make a legal contract. If I have a Battle.net account that I haven't logged into since 6 months ago, it gets hacked, the hacker then agrees to the new ToS, and uses the account for spamming.
So, I go to my friend's list and see a bunch of random names, you don't even see which character or on which realm/server they play, you only friend whoever you want to anyway.
Children can't have accounts, they're wrong already if they do, you're acknowledging you're over a certain age if you're making an account afaik, if there are any bizarre lawsuits(people sue for anything these days anyway.) Blizzard will hopefully win.
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i swear blizzard always planned this it all part of their plan to build attention to themselves.
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On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined.
That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think?
That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things.
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On July 10 2010 02:44 Auronz wrote:
So now, the community's happy about this meaningless change(come on, 99% of us never even posted there fuck that, besides it's not that big a deal, names...) And we'll all be pleased with Blizzard instead of looking at the currently still very very sad state of battle.net 2.0
99% of us, meaning 0.1% of Blizzard Customers.
and if you keep with the stuff that is not a big deal then try to read some news to see what can happen and what did happen.
Gaming Community is not equal to Social Community (facebook, orkut)
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gg no re
But I don't think the Starcraft 2 community played the decisive role. It was WoW that made the news. (sadly) Which means... oh, wait.
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Big thanks to all those people who had articles up to spread the words... WE need mass public opinion to change them not just from TL.
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A big step away from the wrong direction. Well done blizz.
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Terrible, I was looking forward to tracking down and beating some mouthy kids.
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This whole thing was a big PR desaster for Blizzard. So they had no choice.
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Thx blizzard for hearing fans and the community of Starcraft players. Nice job for private life.
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On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things.
There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting.
The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
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Democracy has won again.
But BNet will have to evolve. IT NEEDS TO EVOLVE.
And begin to obtain a community like here on TL (yes, I'm a dreamer.)
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On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
Indeed.
"LOL THERE'S NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY RACE L2P N00B"
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Popular opinion on TL also agrees with us, that it was a BAD idea for a great many reasons. Many of which were posted in a sane and intelligent manner.
There were dozens of other ways to solve the problem (which I agree is a problem on current BNet and WoW forums) and the Nuclear (Real ID) solution was dead last.
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Great news, not for the forums... but for the future of internet privacy
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Blizzard cares about their games, and cares about their fans, always my favorite company.
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Awesome! Glad that blizzard will change things if you back them into a wall
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On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
The arrogance astounds me.
You realize that the majority of people who post on there are assholes only because of lack of accountability right? And you somehow think that sacrificing people's personal security to generate that accountability was a good thing, instead of say, a simple unique identifier, which would have the exact same effect without having to sacrifice that security?
No, its just easier to think of it as an isolated problem with a forum full of whining babies and Blizzard have every right to start handing out people's personal info as a weapon to keep people being civil.
Having unique identifiers will clean things up and bring intelligent posters back.
Throwing out personal info will clean things up, but make many intelligent posters stay the hell away from it because they're not stupid enough to give out their real name over the internet to someone who might end up with a grudge against them.
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Very glad Blizzard backed down.
There can be no doubt whatsoever in my mind that those who opposed Blizzard’s plans won the argument on its merits: and won it handsomely.
I suspect though that that isn’t the reason why Blizzard reversed its decision: the hostile reaction and negative publicity was potentially threatening the bottom line, and that is always something that corporations will respond to.
However, all’s well that ends well - for now, at any rate. I suspect that the controversy surrounding Real Ids and how they are implemented will rear its ugly head again.
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On July 10 2010 05:57 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic. The arrogance astounds me.
Its Nony, very arrogant indeed, but at least he will own you at Starcraft/2
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I guess its a step in the right direction, but I'm still not satisfied. Bring me cross realm play, and LAN then ill be a happy guy.
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On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
The lan/chat room/x-realm whinage that's been going on here on TL has in no way, shape or form been any more constructive or mature than the objections made to realID on the official forums.
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Well, it seems that Blizzard only understand if you stalk thier admin und "kill" their RL
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There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting.
The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
Seriously now? I'm a CS major, computers is what I do and anyone who knows what they are doing knows how foolish it is to give out personal information, even names, to people freely online. The changes wouldn't have actually done anything as people would have just made another Battle.net accounts under a fake name, I was going to. Of course the people who actually do use a real name on the other hand are opening themselves up to all sorts of harass from the people who are idiots and trolls. People do stupid, petty, crap for little to no reason. Look at what happened to bishiok for example.
The very small number of people who supported it are either ignorant of the internet or trolls. What is Ironic is just how immature your post is.
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YES WE CAN!
awesome that they listened :D
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On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
The popular opinion on teamliquid.net was massively against the proposed changes. And you have no way of knowing what the distribution of opinion was between "ignorant and whining kids" and "mature adults;" you're assuming without evidence that all the mature adults were on your side and that only whiny little kids were against it... which is seriously, what the fuck?
hey look at all the whiny little kids
also 4038/4604 teamliquid users are whiny little kids
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Good to know Blizzard still has good judgment.
Hey can anyone upload the official blizzard maps from patch 16 in a map-pack? I cant make a topic sense I am new member
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On July 10 2010 02:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:16 Tone_ wrote:
Awesome. Now let's re-start ultra-rage about cross-realm play and chat channels! Yeah, if you can get a bunch of major news organizations to report on the monumental disappointment of SC2 lacking chat channels and cross-realm play during beta, you might be onto something. Otherwise save your energy
"save yor energy" for what?
'Realists' are correct 99 percent of the time, but activists are the only ones who get worthwhile stuff done. Man, you're cynical...
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big companys now have to have big ears to survive YAY to good feedback from the community.. Husky should be on the blizz board of community directives
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why everybody is afraid to show their real name ? I don't get it , everybody is against ?
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On July 10 2010 06:09 Duban wrote:Show nested quote +
There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting.
The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
Seriously now? I'm a CS major, computers is what I do and anyone who knows what they are doing knows how foolish it is to give out personal information, even names, to people freely online. The changes wouldn't have actually done anything as people would have just made another Battle.net accounts under a fake name, I was going to. Of course the people who actually do use a real name on the other hand are opening themselves up to all sorts of harass from the people who are idiots and trolls. People do stupid, petty, crap for little to no reason. Look at what happened to bishiok for example. The very small number of people who supported it are either ignorant of the internet or trolls. What is Ironic is just how immature your post is.
At my job, that deals with people around the world...online...we have to give our first and last name. No issues at all when it comes to the angry customers who make threats and no compromising of any private information due to it.
What I'm trying to say here is, if someone wants to get your identity that bad, they'll get it. RealID may make quicker, but it's still going to reach the end goal. Preventing your name from being shown is not going to stop someone who's crazy enough to kill or steal your identity from doing so.
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Damn, now I can't hunt down trolls and slit their throats IRL.
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On July 10 2010 03:29 Myles wrote:
LOL @ conspiracy theorists.
Blizzard doesn't need PR, especially this kind. 'Any attention is good attention' does not apply to Blizzard since they're already a well known company. A rise an awareness has to make up for the bad PR, and Blizzard can't expand awareness much more than it already had.
Some people at Blizzard legitimately thought this was a good idea or they wouldn't have done it. That, combined with the many other poor decisions they've made, worries me most of all.
How about : some people at Blizzard legitimately thought that this policy would fit in nicely with their new profit making shemes.
I love the games Blizzard has made up to this point, but all the new measures in SC2 seem (at least partially) geared towards maximizing profits. This is completely unsurprising obviously and this nonsense about good companies vs bad companies is completely moronic. I hope they keep making good games in the future, but if they stop doing so, or impose sickening restraints on me as a gamer, I won't be sorry. I'll just buy other games. Blizzard fanboys are deluded idiots.
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FUCK YEAH!
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On July 10 2010 06:38 Obstbaum wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/6hral.png)
^LOL
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And alone, floating on a dark platform above the burnt-out planet of Earth, Team Liquid, the Savior of the Internet, sat and lorded over the ravenous netizens. Unable to shake the feeling
that a great threat loomed just over the horizon, Team Liquid could only stare off into the vastness of space where it beheld a great void. Or perhaps a reflection of a hollow
victory and of the trials yet to come...
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On July 10 2010 06:38 Obstbaum wrote:
Hahaha! "kk"
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When I saw that tl was down due to server load I was pretty sure they had made an announcement cancelling realid. Now it looks like I will actually buy sc2 again.
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The people has the power... kinda, gj communitys!
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On July 10 2010 06:38 Obstbaum wrote:
Lol Exactly what happened.
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We win ^.^
I also have to say how much I love their capitalization of "Every Voice Matters", it made me laugh.
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Thank god Blizzard came to their senses.
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but this was such a great way to keep in contact with 13.000.000 of my best friends :S
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I honestly didn't see REAL ID's happening at all. Thanks to everyone who probably wrote them so much rage backed up by good feedback :D CHYEAH! Now to see what other bad ideas Blizz will bring! (I hope not~~)
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The community got a small victory today. Time to get back to real game discussion imo.
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Blizzard is awesome, they really are.
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On July 10 2010 05:57 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic. The arrogance astounds me. You realize that the majority of people who post on there are assholes only because of lack of accountability right? And you somehow think that sacrificing people's personal security to generate that accountability was a good thing, instead of say, a simple unique identifier, which would have the exact same effect without having to sacrifice that security? No, its just easier to think of it as an isolated problem with a forum full of whining babies and Blizzard have every right to start handing out people's personal info as a weapon to keep people being civil. Having unique identifiers will clean things up and bring intelligent posters back. Throwing out personal info will clean things up, but make many intelligent posters stay the hell away from it because they're not stupid enough to give out their real name over the internet to someone who might end up with a grudge against them.
Arrogance has been the wrong word from the start. I can insult people without being arrogant.
Accountability comes from a consistent identity, yeah. So why are you advocating people have two: one for an online forum and one for everything else in their life? You can't give me that argument without explaining why you don't want to take it the whole way. The whole "sacrificing personal security" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you're in more danger going out in the world rather than staying locked up in your room. I can't argue against that. But it's not a sensible reason to stay locked up. Car accidents aren't a good enough reason to not drive. Random mugging is not a good enough reason to not go bar hopping.
On July 10 2010 06:21 wadadde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Tone_ wrote:
Awesome. Now let's re-start ultra-rage about cross-realm play and chat channels! Yeah, if you can get a bunch of major news organizations to report on the monumental disappointment of SC2 lacking chat channels and cross-realm play during beta, you might be onto something. Otherwise save your energy "save yor energy" for what? 'Realists' are correct 99 percent of the time, but activists are the only ones who get worthwhile stuff done. Man, you're cynical...
That's not the point. The point is that the Real ID on forums issue was on a whole different level than the other issues. Chat channels and cross-realm play complaints have already been taken as far as they can go. Blizzard has acknowledged that SC2 would be better with both of them and they'll do what they can to get them in.
On July 10 2010 06:09 Duban wrote:Show nested quote +
There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting.
The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
Seriously now? I'm a CS major, computers is what I do and anyone who knows what they are doing knows how foolish it is to give out personal information, even names, to people freely online. The changes wouldn't have actually done anything as people would have just made another Battle.net accounts under a fake name, I was going to. Of course the people who actually do use a real name on the other hand are opening themselves up to all sorts of harass from the people who are idiots and trolls. People do stupid, petty, crap for little to no reason. Look at what happened to bishiok for example. The very small number of people who supported it are either ignorant of the internet or trolls. What is Ironic is just how immature your post is.
So at what point did you prove that b.net forum isn't full of immature idiots? Or did you just go off on some tangential rant because your mind isn't able to follow any logic if it's not written in code? How's that for mature?
On July 10 2010 06:17 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 05:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 05:13 Jayme wrote:On July 10 2010 02:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 02:13 Kennigit wrote:On July 10 2010 02:12 kzn wrote:
I want, so badly, to make a backpedaling joke here. Why? They saw the reaction, and the smart thing to do was decide implement this change. They made a big decision that they said they put a lot of thought into and then they changed their minds before trying it because a bunch of little kids whined. That's a bit of an arrogant post don't you think? That's pretty much saying that the only people that had an objection to this real ID thing were kids that had no clue what they were talking about...when frankly it seemed like the total opposite to me. You don't have to try something to know if it's going to be a train wreck waiting to happen and this was likely one of those things. There were some mature adults objecting to it but if you took away all the ignorant and whining kids, there wouldn't have been enough people objecting. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic. The popular opinion on teamliquid.net was massively against the proposed changes. And you have no way of knowing what the distribution of opinion was between "ignorant and whining kids" and "mature adults;" you're assuming without evidence that all the mature adults were on your side and that only whiny little kids were against it... which is seriously, what the fuck? hey look at all the whiny little kidsalso 4038/4604 teamliquid users are whiny little kids
Still missing the point here. Here are the things that I think are true:
(1) A huge negative reaction on the b.net forum is a necessary condition for Blizzard to cancel their plans for real names on the b.net forum.
(2) TL.net, and most every other good community, views the b.net forum as full of idiots
So if a bunch of immature idiots hadn't opposed the change, it would have stayed in. I don't have to argue that there weren't a lot of intelligent people opposing the change in order to keep what I originally said.
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I don't know how people are all of a sudden saying Blizzard is now amazing, awesome, smart. It didn't take a genious to see with the customer response Blizzard would have to revoke the idea.
They still THOUGHT it was a good idea. This is a great in sight into their thinking process. Whoever at Blizzard/Activision is deciding their Battle.net features is a fucking moron. That think tank needs to find their way to the unemployment line.
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I wish he would have talked about the reasons behind deciding against it, rather than just fluffing. Only one sentence in that whole post of his talked about the RealID decision,
'As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. '
Its kind of nice to see a big company making radical and possibly innovative proposals (maybe it was in part an attention ploy?), but...
On July 10 2010 07:43 kalleralle wrote:
Blizzard is awesome, they really are.
Why are so many people (particularly in the bnet thread) praising blizzard as if they just saved all of us from a massive crisis? They are the ones that created the problem in the first place, in case anyone forgot.
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On July 10 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Arrogance has been the wrong word from the start. I can insult people without being arrogant.
Accountability comes from a consistent identity, yeah. So why are you advocating people have two: one for an online forum and one for everything else in their life? You can't give me that argument without explaining why you don't want to take it the whole way. The whole "sacrificing personal security" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you're in more danger going out in the world rather than staying locked up in your room. I can't argue against that. But it's not a sensible reason to stay locked up. Car accidents aren't a good enough reason to not drive. Random mugging is not a good enough reason to not go bar hopping.
So, we should just throw caution to the wind because shit happens? You still look both ways before crossing the street. You still think twice before going down a darkened alley at 1am for a shortcut.
It might just be the Blizzard forums, and it might be optional to post there, but why in god's name would you advocate the SLEDGEHAMMER approach of releasing personal info, over a simple unique identifier?
For what reason would you rather have real names up there, and not just unique identifiers?
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that they was gonna do it in the first place was worst move ever
wont praise them for accepting such an obvious mistake
this whole situation is just a big loss for blizzard cause its starting to be more and more apparent that how many bad ideas they come with and then they regret
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LOL @ the Colbert picture.
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Lol @ Nony
Many people opposing the realID required to post are actually adults with careers and children.
I'm really happy for you that you are good at Starcraft, but many other people have a life outside of their gaming habits that they would like to have the option of keeping separate. I usually don't have to sign everywhere by name when I discuss video games or any other games, and that's just fine like that. Everyone raving about how awesome the end of privacy is needs to get out of their carebear/flowers/rabbits world and step into "RL" for a second (no, being out at a LAN event doesn't count).
Anyway it's really funny watching you rant about "whiny babies" when you're probably some 25ish yr old guy if not less with no kids and no career still getting high/drunk as your main form of entertainment. At least you sure display the borderline-retarded arrogance of that type of profile. And if you're closer to 30 then jesus christ you need to grow the f. up (build a pylon near your brain).
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Good job, VOCAL MINORITY
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Glad they reversed that decision. Even though Mike's letter didn't recognize their mistake insomuch as to just say "we listen".
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Is it only me (sorry, only got to around page 5 or something so might've missed it along the way when I randomly clicked my way to page 18) who reads this more as a post-ponement? RealID will be implemented perhaps not right now or within the next year, but I don't think they have given up on it at all.
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It boggles my mind to this day that fairly large to large companies with active forums just pussyfoot around this issue. Blizzard was trying to "fix" their forums by implementing realIDs, which, in theory, would result in less aggression, insults, trolling, and generally negative community members.
TL doesn't suffer from this problem on even a marginal scale in comparison to the Blizzard forums, because the mods are free to lock threads and issue warnings and bans at their discretion, and they take a comparatively liberal approach to that discretion. I find that -- at least some of the time -- its over the top, but overall the forums are better for it. If Blizzard wants to shut down problem members, they should take a lesson from non-profit community forums: turn up the moderation a few notches.
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Im glad this is happening. Good thing to know they actually listen to the feed back on forums
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On July 10 2010 08:37 Nagano wrote:
Glad they reversed that decision. Even though Mike's letter didn't recognize their mistake insomuch as to just say "we listen".
WTF do you want him to do? Plead and beg for mercy and forgiveness? Can't please everyone. *_*
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I wonder who's swallowing their pride in this decision.
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On July 10 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
So if a bunch of immature idiots hadn't opposed the change, it would have stayed in. I don't have to argue that there weren't a lot of intelligent people opposing the change in order to keep what I originally said.
What's to say that there wasn't internal resistance to this as well? I imagine that the blues who have to post on the Blizzard forums weren't happy with it either. They are by far the most visible presence on those forums and are always the object of scorn and lust and rage and every other emotion that the wow forum populace can produce. While the one rumor about the CM reaction to the change is just that, I still think it has merit and should not be ignored.
It takes a lot more than a forum full of whiney fanboys to get the attention of a CEO. Clearly the initial decision to go ahead with this came from somewhere down in middle or senior management. Whether it was Blizzard management or Activision management makes little difference (unless you're a conspiracy theorist). For the CEO to step in to kill the change speaks to just how wide spread the media coverage was, and to how negative it was at that.
The response on the forums likely contributed to the decision, but I am sure that if the media response was actually overwhelmingly positive (or non existant and thus not overwhelmingly negative) that this change would still be going forward.
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On July 10 2010 09:19 SnakeChomp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
So if a bunch of immature idiots hadn't opposed the change, it would have stayed in. I don't have to argue that there weren't a lot of intelligent people opposing the change in order to keep what I originally said. What's to say that there wasn't internal resistance to this as well? I imagine that the blues who have to post on the Blizzard forums weren't happy with it either. They are by far the most visible presence on those forums and are always the object of scorn and lust and rage and every other emotion that the wow forum populace can produce. While the one rumor about the CM reaction to the change is just that, I still think it has merit and should not be ignored. It takes a lot more than a forum full of whiney fanboys to get the attention of a CEO. Clearly the initial decision to go ahead with this came from somewhere down in middle or senior management. Whether it was Blizzard management or Activision management makes little difference (unless you're a conspiracy theorist). For the CEO to step in to kill the change speaks to just how wide spread the media coverage was, and to how negative it was at that. The response on the forums likely contributed to the decision, but I am sure that if the media response was actually overwhelmingly positive (or non existant and thus not overwhelmingly negative) that this change would still be going forward.
Totally agree.
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Yeah on the media coverage thing, Penny Arcade's latest comic is on this topic and that gets quite many eyeballs. As many eyeballs as a single gaming news source gets I'd think.
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I'm still not buying ATVI back. -_-'
This whole idiocy makes me question what the hell is wrong with the leadership.
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well that didn't take very long
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All the people who see Activision conspiracy theories need to just calm down, people aren't out to get you.
What I think happened is either something completely random that we don't know about (the Korean law thing or whatever), or the executives left the fans on too long and suffered a minor stroke. Nothing else they've done (despite the whining) was actually a bad move, this decision definitely was.
Also I don't see why people 'trusted' Blizzard before and wouldn't buy SC2 because of this. You don't know anyone at Blizzard, it's just a company. If they make products you want, you buy them. Did anyone seriously think that after this they would move on to selling your name to spammers or something? This isn't North Korea, that kind of thing doesn't happen here.
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Hahaha, I can't believe how many of you got trolled by Liquid`NonY
Either way, it's a good win for us.
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Good tactic Blizz, piss everyone off and then give in so it seems like you're listening while everyone is forgetting the lack of cross-server play ^^
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On July 10 2010 10:30 Saechiis wrote:
Good tactic Blizz, piss everyone off and then give in so it seems like you're listening while everyone is forgetting the lack of cross-server play ^^
Have you read the thread? I don't think people are forgetting about it. (those who cares)
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I never planned on posting on blizzard forums with this feature. Now... I never plan on posting on blizzard forums.
Lol.
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On July 10 2010 10:25 BeJe77 wrote:Hahaha, I can't believe how many of you got trolled by Liquid`NonY Either way, it's a good win for us.
I can't believe how many of you got trolled by Blizzard. It's called publicity trick... and now they look like heroes cause they decided to cancel the whole thing.
You, sirs, didn't get trolled once, you got trolled twice. Congratulations.
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+1 blizz.. I do agree cross server play would be amazing.
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On July 10 2010 11:19 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 10:25 BeJe77 wrote:Hahaha, I can't believe how many of you got trolled by Liquid`NonY Either way, it's a good win for us. I can't believe how many of you got trolled by Blizzard. It's called publicity trick... and now they look like heroes cause they decided to cancel the whole thing. You, sirs, didn't get trolled once, you got trolled twice. Congratulations.
With the state of B.net 2.0, the face book integration, I had no doubt's that Blizzard was serious about this change. If this was the Blizzard Pre-Merger I would of called troll too, but since the merger nope, they got some pretty dumb people coming up with ideas.
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I think we all knew this was going to be changed back. It just seemed like it was such a bad idea (with good intentions ofc). I guess I have to respect blizzard for listening to the community on such a high level like this
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Blizzard has listened to its fans from day 1. How can anyone be surprised by this?
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Now if only they could get rid of FB from B.net 2.0
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On July 10 2010 13:39 FuryX wrote:
Now if only they could get rid of FB from B.net 2.0
how is facebook integration harming you? just ignore it and its fine
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On July 10 2010 12:14 Spiffeh wrote:
Blizzard has listened to its fans from day 1. How can anyone be surprised by this?
[sarcasm] Yah day one of fans complaining about chat channels, cross realm, lan, macro, infestor model, etc and totally not after the shit hit the fan.... [/sarcasm]
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On July 10 2010 13:56 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +[sarcasm] Yah day one of fans complaining about chat channels, cross realm, lan, macro, infestor model, etc and totally not after the shit hit the fan.... [/sarcasm] Uh... sc2 isnt the only game blizzard made. These guys have been around for almost 20 years. And that's what he was talking about.
I know and the games they have made have always been good.
But thats not what his statement said. His statement said they listened from day 1.
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why are you guys so snotty, it's not like blizzard was trying to make the community worse... jeez >_>
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RealID Forums announced:
"Oh god Activision is out to get more money again! They are doing this! It's them behind this!!!"
RealID Forums canceled:
"Oh god Activision planned this! It was a trick to make us believe they are heroes and actually listen to the community!"
I disliked the RealID forums too, but come on, not every bad choice is Activision.
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Sometimes someone will push something more outrageous then retract it to make you forget about how much you disliked something else. A negotiation or PR tactic. While I can't definitely say that it's true in this case, it's a possibility.
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On July 10 2010 12:14 Spiffeh wrote:
Blizzard has listened to its fans from day 1. How can anyone be surprised by this?
Well they still have no LAN and No cross realm play so i guess I would expect to see alot of people happy about this news. But this still doesn't make me want to buy the game, come on blizzard why aren't you trying to win over your core audience by adding these key features that were in BW?
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On July 10 2010 15:54 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 12:14 Spiffeh wrote:
Blizzard has listened to its fans from day 1. How can anyone be surprised by this? Well they still have no LAN and No cross realm play so i guess I would expect to see alot of people happy about this news. But this still doesn't make me want to buy the game, come on blizzard why aren't you trying to win over your core audience by adding these key features that were in BW?
They're working on X-Realm play. LAN isn't a big deal for me, but I understand why some are upset. Though at the same time, pirating + LAN + Hamachi is pretty widespread with War3, so I can understand why Blizzard would be slow to add LAN.
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What can I say? GG WP COMMUNITY ^_^
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Dunno why everyone is so happy , that forum post clearly states they will implement real ID LATER, it doesn't say they will never add it.So why is everyone so happy?! LOL and the statement came from Morhaime , like assuring us that they will keep their word cuz he's the CEO , I really doubt that when he gets orders from Activision,even he can do anything about it.
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On July 10 2010 15:54 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 12:14 Spiffeh wrote:
Blizzard has listened to its fans from day 1. How can anyone be surprised by this? Well they still have no LAN and No cross realm play so i guess I would expect to see alot of people happy about this news.
They havn't had 50k posts in about a day over LAN, and they said they are working on Cross Realm play.
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working on X-realm? There is nothing to work on, just allow it. There is nothing to do besides allow it, all they need to do is remove the need to buy two set of games.
But props for taking this change back.
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Iam extremly suprised that they canceld it. I cant remember such a "big thing" has been canceld before by Blizzard.
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On July 10 2010 20:19 knL wrote:
Iam extremly suprised that they canceld it. I cant remember such a "big thing" has been canceld before by Blizzard.
i've never seen such an epic shitstorm either...
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On July 10 2010 13:39 Zeromadcowz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 13:39 FuryX wrote:
Now if only they could get rid of FB from B.net 2.0 how is facebook integration harming you? just ignore it and its fine
Its not the integration itself so much as the general direction of the company since merging with Activision.
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i half expected this to take a few weeks to get a turn around.
Guess if enough of an uproar is made they move a little bit faster.
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Actually the biggest thing was most likely the bad press.
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great stuff, hopefully Blizzard will learn something from this and not repeat the same mistake twice!
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I'm a little dissapointed, but not surprised. The concerns and fears of these changes are justified, but the potential for esports and just gaming in general was certainly there. =(
Its not the integration itself so much as the general direction of the company since merging with Activision.
Activision... and I repeat... has nothing to do with the game, the games direction, or any changes they might be attempting. Blizzard hasn't been changing or attempting new things because they merged with a bigger publisher, they are changing because it is 2010 and you need to change to stay sharp and ahead in any field.
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the ability to rate posts up or down
kufufufufufuuu~
Post disagrees with your opinion? DOWN. Don't like a user's attitude towards you? DOWN. This pos- DOWNDODWNDOWDNWO!!
Many of blizzard's new ideas are quite concerning... Sure they took away real ID after some endless negative feedback, but the fact that they believed it was a good idea at one point is kinda... ya...
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On July 10 2010 02:04 AyJay wrote:http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816839821&sid=1Show nested quote +Hello everyone,
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters (http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/mission.html), and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
yey! now I might actually consider posting on those forums...well maybe not, but still yey!
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I actually submitted a request to the ESRB to re-evaluate the "Privacy Certified" status of the Blizzard forums (as it seems many many other people did too). They emailed back after Blizzard cancelled their plans to let me and the others know.
But... apparently someone there screwed up and the email displayed ALL the emails of the people they responded to lol... Here's the content of their apology email I got yesterday:
Yesterday we sent an e-mail to a number of consumers who wrote to us in recent days expressing their concern with respect to Blizzard's Real ID program. Given the large number of messages we received, we decided to respond with a mass e-mail so those who'd written us would receive our response as quickly as possible - rather than responding to each message individually, as is our usual practice.
Through an unfortunate error by one of our employees, some recipients were able to see the e-mail addresses of others who wrote on the same issue. Needless to say, it was never our intention to reveal this information and for that we are genuinely sorry. Those who write to ESRB to express their views expect and deserve to have their contact and personal information protected. In this case, we failed to do so and are doing everything we can to ensure it will not happen again in the future.
The fact that our message addressed individuals' concerns with respect to their privacy underscores how truly disappointing a mistake this was on our part. We work with companies to ensure they are handling people's private information with confidentiality, care and respect. It is only right that we set a good example and do no less ourselves.
We sincerely apologize to those who were affected by this error and appreciate their understanding.
Sincerely,
Entertainment Software Rating Board
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The popular opinion on teamliquid.net agrees with me. Everyone here thinks the b.net forum is a shithole and the people that post there are immature and idiotic.
The quality of the b.net forums isn't the issue here really. I never post on the forums, nor do I read them, except to check patch notes or updates from blues.. But that doesn't change the fact that I know this was a terrible idea.
The fact that it doesn't affect me personally has no bearing on the merits of implementing a system like this. I'm sorry that you live in such a self-absorbed world that you can't even care about something that could potentially have much larger and far-reaching consequences. Privacy is already difficult enough to stay on top of these days.. the last thing we as consumers need is another precedent set to erode the already shaky ground of internet privacy.
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On July 10 2010 02:07 GoShox wrote:
Thank goodness. I read some blog (probably posted here somewhere already) that had found info of many Blizzard employees simply by their name, it's seriously insane what you can find about one person. I personally have a pretty unique name (The only one on Facebook at least -_-) so I don't really think I'd be that happy having it all over Battle.Net forums. Good thing they listened to the community. Yeah, because every person you play against would be so so interested in finding out personal info and murdering you and your family.
People who want to murder you already have enough avenues of information available for them to find the info they need. Having your real name posted on some b.net forum won't make a difference.
Anyway, congrats guys, all you people who have tons of personal info listed on your myspace, facebook, or livejournal, or those of you who fill out job or credit applications with your social security number/address, or those of you who make major purchases (cars/houses) that require divulging personal information, or those of you that wear name tags or badges at work, or those of you that give your cell phone number out to any friends, or those of you that have phone numbers listed in the phone book.
You're so much safer now that your first and last name won't be posted on the Starcraft 2 Battle.net forums.
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On July 15 2010 03:15 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:07 GoShox wrote:
Thank goodness. I read some blog (probably posted here somewhere already) that had found info of many Blizzard employees simply by their name, it's seriously insane what you can find about one person. I personally have a pretty unique name (The only one on Facebook at least -_-) so I don't really think I'd be that happy having it all over Battle.Net forums. Good thing they listened to the community. Yeah, because every person you play against would be so so interested in finding out personal info and murdering you and your family. People who want to murder you already have enough avenues of information available for them to find the info they need. Having your real name posted on some b.net forum won't make a difference. Anyway, congrats guys, all you people who have tons of personal info listed on your myspace, facebook, or livejournal, or those of you who fill out job or credit applications with your social security number/address, or those of you who make major purchases (cars/houses) that require divulging personal information, or those of you that wear name tags or badges at work, or those of you that give your cell phone number out to any friends, or those of you that have phone numbers listed in the phone book. You're so much safer now that your first and last name won't be posted on the Starcraft 2 Battle.net forums.
Dude did u just bump this thread in order to bitch and moan? What is your angle here? Seriously, wtf is ur problem with the decision? You sound like an idiot and unless ur the guy who originally suggested RealID to blizz I don't see why you even care?
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Good decision to cancel it. No idea why blizzard even tried to do this.
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Not by Kotaku, just something sent to Kotaku and posted on all their forums.
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On July 17 2010 07:02 Daniri wrote:Not by Kotaku, just something sent to Kotaku and posted on all their forums.
Yeah, it is not an interview if you just post what they sent to you
We've got answers, in a Q&A issued by the company covering everything from Facebook integration to World of Warcraft plugins designed to steal your info.
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