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On July 09 2010 00:11 PanzerDragoon wrote:
The problem with your comparison
Starcraft is an incredibly competitive game with a very high learning curve. It doesn't appeal to people who play Farmville at all. makes a little more sense with WoW, but trying to get the "Farmville" crowd with Starcraft II facebook integration doesn't make any sense at all.
Also lol at the all the trolls now angry people will know who they are. You aren't required to post on Blizz forums, I avoid them because they are so awful.
To be exact, its about getting facebook users to play starcraft which includes a lot of people who dont use facebook as a gaming platform. Personally, facebook integration does nothing for me directly, but it will advertise the game and that's good for starcraft.
Now whether it was a good way to spend developer resources is an entirely different question that depends on how much you believe what Blizzard says.
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On July 08 2010 19:10 Psychopomp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 19:07 Drakan wrote:On July 08 2010 18:57 Psychopomp wrote:On July 08 2010 18:50 Megalisk wrote:On July 08 2010 18:43 Psychopomp wrote:On July 08 2010 18:37 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Okay, here's things that you might care about:
They're want to monetize Battle.net with respect to Starcraft II (custom maps, god knows what else.)
They show tremendous disregard for the wishes of the community, whether chat channels or this.
It sets precedent for more invasions of privacy (would you like your real name as your BNet handle?)
They seem to think that the consumers, as a general rule, are completely fucking retarded. Free new maps are nice, not an entitlement. As long as I'm not forced to buy them to play ladder games, and it's not 15$ for TWO NEW MAPS AND THREE OLD ONES, I honestly have no issue with paying for new maps. I pay 15$ for an album, and 10$ for a movie ticket, I think I can scrounge up a buck or two for a good map. I'll never understand the love for public chatrooms. Whoopee, I get to talk to a legion of retards. The practical use for Starcraft 2 is almost non-existant, and by the time Diablo 3 rolls around we should have them. While I myself and basically untrackable, and I think the threat of internet psychos is completely overblown, I concede the last point. People, namely women and minorities, will be much easier to harass. Edit(AGAIN!): For those okay with the whole real name thing, like I was, RPS raises some good points. Ever made a chatroom to talk with all of your friends in the same place? Its so clunky in bnet 0.2. Chat rooms make everything so much easier. Considering I just run the game through Steam, no I've not. I won't deny the current chat system is clunky, I just don't get the appeal of public chat rooms(At least until Diablo 3 comes out). I hear people say things like "It makes it easier to find games," but why not just use the matchmaking? I'm normally opposed to matchmaking, but it's seriously the best matchmaking in existence. Can someone explain the appeal to me? You might be untrackable and stuff, but some other people are... Sorry to say that you are not the only one in the world. People have died thanks to psychopaths in game... and you only need 1 dead player to argument why REALID is a bad idea inside a GAME enviroment. Facebook is 1 thing, World of warcraft / counter strike / etc, are others. Most of WoW players are males and most of those players when they meet a girl that play the game they just harass her. In other social networking that doesn't happen because its almost 50/50, and you add your real life friends (man and girls) so its absolutely different. And if you don't want to understand the point, then just go and be a fucking Nazi. l2read Show nested quote +I concede the last point. People, namely women and minorities, will be much easier to harass.
Edit(AGAIN!): For those okay with the whole real name thing, like I was, RPS raises some good points.
THE REAL NAME THING IS ONLY ON THE BLIZZ FORUMS, JUST DONT POST ON THE BLIZZ FORUMS
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On July 09 2010 00:20 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:11 PanzerDragoon wrote:
The problem with your comparison
Starcraft is an incredibly competitive game with a very high learning curve. It doesn't appeal to people who play Farmville at all. makes a little more sense with WoW, but trying to get the "Farmville" crowd with Starcraft II facebook integration doesn't make any sense at all.
Also lol at the all the trolls now angry people will know who they are. You aren't required to post on Blizz forums, I avoid them because they are so awful. To be exact, its about getting facebook users to play starcraft which includes a lot of people who dont use facebook as a gaming platform. Personally, facebook integration does nothing for me directly, but it will advertise the game and that's good for starcraft. Now whether it was a good way to spend developer resources is an entirely different question that depends on how much you believe what Blizzard says.
Since I have multiple people IRL I play Starcraft with, Facebook integration is worth it just so I can add them all in one fell swoop. I will probably disable any newsfeed integration.
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I will never, ever, use my real name or link my "real" or professional life with gaming.
I live in a third world country (so i don't know if this is the case everywhere) and gamers are still heavily frouned upon over here. They see it as playing with legos I guess.
I don't want my co-workers knowing what I do, how I do it, how do I do at what I do or how much time I do what I choose to do.
The problem with this integration is the withdrawal of choice. The imposition. Let us choose facebook, and probably we will (I'm not speaking of my case). Make it a added value, not a replacement.
Also, nicknames are awesome. How does a gaming company forget about that?
Ryan sucks, but ThorSmasHer is a world destroyer!
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On July 09 2010 00:29 gREIFOCs wrote:
I will never, ever, use my real name or link my "real" or professional life with gaming.
I live in a third world country (so i don't know if this is the case everywhere) and gamers are still heavily frouned upon.
I don't want my co-workers knowing what I do, how I do it, how do I do at what I do or how much time I do what I choose to do.
The problem with this integration is the withdrawal of choice.
You have a choice. You can just logout from facebook in your sc2 option menu and nobody will ever know that you play sc2.
Or just use this this
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So basically some of you guys want to make starcraft 2 a famous e-sport by trying to leech in all the retards who dwell on facebook ?
Tell me again how elitist and "special" you felt e-sports were ?
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On July 09 2010 00:32 Santriell wrote:
So basically some of you guys want to make starcraft 2 a famous e-sport by trying to leech in all the retards who dwell on facebook ?
Tell me again how elitist and "special" you felt e-sports were ?
Kinda bold and uncalled for to say all facebook users are retarded.
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You have a choice. You can just logout from facebook in your sc2 option menu and nobody will ever know that you play sc2. Or just use this this
I edited my post to be more clear. I would be ok with facebook if it did'nt came in hand with the whole "do you really want chatrooms?", and the many other troubles that have been pointed out.
They are moving my starcraft activity more near my mom, but further away from the fellow gamers we often find in Battle.net.
Or am I the only one that made friends INSIDE a game?
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On July 09 2010 00:32 Santriell wrote:
So basically some of you guys want to make starcraft 2 a famous e-sport by trying to leech in all the retards who dwell on facebook ?
Tell me again how elitist and "special" you felt e-sports were ?
Larger player base -> more sponsorship -> more pro-gamers/cash tournaments.
Elitism is counter-productive to e-sports.
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On July 09 2010 00:37 gREIFOCs wrote:Show nested quote +You have a choice. You can just logout from facebook in your sc2 option menu and nobody will ever know that you play sc2. Or just use this this I edited my post to be more clear. I would be ok with facebook if it did'nt came in hand with the whole "do you really want chatrooms?", and the many other troubles that have been pointed out. They are moving my starcraft activity more near my mom, but further away from the fellow gamers we often find in Battle.net. Or am I the only one that made friends INSIDE a game?
Well they have said there are going to be chat rooms. Just straight not away so we have two options. Cry about it and wait for the chat rooms or just wait for them.
For the record I agree with you that and I don't like this. But they already said they are working on it so constantly posting that "WE WANT THEM FASTER!!" doesn't really help. They screw up by not making them a priority but what's done is done.
So now we are in a situation where we don't have to use facebook integration and the chat rooms should be coming, even though late. Not the ideal situation but at least looking better than in the beginning.
The friends I made ingame are also in my msn and those I only talked to when I wanted a game can wait.
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On July 09 2010 00:22 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 19:10 Psychopomp wrote:On July 08 2010 19:07 Drakan wrote:On July 08 2010 18:57 Psychopomp wrote:On July 08 2010 18:50 Megalisk wrote:On July 08 2010 18:43 Psychopomp wrote:On July 08 2010 18:37 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Okay, here's things that you might care about:
They're want to monetize Battle.net with respect to Starcraft II (custom maps, god knows what else.)
They show tremendous disregard for the wishes of the community, whether chat channels or this.
It sets precedent for more invasions of privacy (would you like your real name as your BNet handle?)
They seem to think that the consumers, as a general rule, are completely fucking retarded. Free new maps are nice, not an entitlement. As long as I'm not forced to buy them to play ladder games, and it's not 15$ for TWO NEW MAPS AND THREE OLD ONES, I honestly have no issue with paying for new maps. I pay 15$ for an album, and 10$ for a movie ticket, I think I can scrounge up a buck or two for a good map. I'll never understand the love for public chatrooms. Whoopee, I get to talk to a legion of retards. The practical use for Starcraft 2 is almost non-existant, and by the time Diablo 3 rolls around we should have them. While I myself and basically untrackable, and I think the threat of internet psychos is completely overblown, I concede the last point. People, namely women and minorities, will be much easier to harass. Edit(AGAIN!): For those okay with the whole real name thing, like I was, RPS raises some good points. Ever made a chatroom to talk with all of your friends in the same place? Its so clunky in bnet 0.2. Chat rooms make everything so much easier. Considering I just run the game through Steam, no I've not. I won't deny the current chat system is clunky, I just don't get the appeal of public chat rooms(At least until Diablo 3 comes out). I hear people say things like "It makes it easier to find games," but why not just use the matchmaking? I'm normally opposed to matchmaking, but it's seriously the best matchmaking in existence. Can someone explain the appeal to me? You might be untrackable and stuff, but some other people are... Sorry to say that you are not the only one in the world. People have died thanks to psychopaths in game... and you only need 1 dead player to argument why REALID is a bad idea inside a GAME enviroment. Facebook is 1 thing, World of warcraft / counter strike / etc, are others. Most of WoW players are males and most of those players when they meet a girl that play the game they just harass her. In other social networking that doesn't happen because its almost 50/50, and you add your real life friends (man and girls) so its absolutely different. And if you don't want to understand the point, then just go and be a fucking Nazi. l2read I concede the last point. People, namely women and minorities, will be much easier to harass.
Edit(AGAIN!): For those okay with the whole real name thing, like I was, RPS raises some good points. THE REAL NAME THING IS ONLY ON THE BLIZZ FORUMS, JUST DONT POST ON THE BLIZZ FORUMS
[shout]Tech support is part of the game we bought[/shout]
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Their trolling argument about trying to regulate their forums is utter bullshit. Do you really think its hard for blizzard to link which level 1 alt was trolling to the owners account? Even if that person deleted that character, there would still a log on their servers. The entire thing is a social experiment at the cost of its subscribers. What better way to test something like this out then on your giant 12+ million population, in WoW alone.
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On July 09 2010 00:39 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:32 Santriell wrote:
So basically some of you guys want to make starcraft 2 a famous e-sport by trying to leech in all the retards who dwell on facebook ?
Tell me again how elitist and "special" you felt e-sports were ? Larger player base -> more sponsorship -> more pro-gamers/cash tournaments. Elitism is counter-productive to e-sports.
Disappointed/smaller hardcore playerbase -> less top-level players -> less/boring tournaments. See, I can do that too. You can't just isolate one aspect, ignore the rest and call that an argument.
I point you to UT3 for an example. Game was dead a year after launch, despite a free expansion pack and most bugs fixed and features added by then. A bad launch = dead game.
The game itself was fine and by most considered an improvement over UT2k4, yet it missed basic features like an easy-to-use and functional server browser, graphics settings, non-bugged friends list, mouse-central interface and dedicated servers. Can you see why people are worried?
I'm not saying SC2 will die in the coming year, I'm saying stuff like a larger playerbase is only good for the proscene if that comes without sacrifices to the game/functionality itself.
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On July 09 2010 00:58 DarQraven wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:39 Smackzilla wrote:On July 09 2010 00:32 Santriell wrote:
So basically some of you guys want to make starcraft 2 a famous e-sport by trying to leech in all the retards who dwell on facebook ?
Tell me again how elitist and "special" you felt e-sports were ? Larger player base -> more sponsorship -> more pro-gamers/cash tournaments. Elitism is counter-productive to e-sports. Disappointed/smaller hardcore playerbase -> less top-level players -> less tournaments. I point you to UT3 for an example. Game was dead a year after launch, despite a free expansion pack and most bugs fixed and features added by then. A bad launch = dead game.
Oh I won't argue with that. There are privacy concerns with facebook integration that need to be addressed but I'm hoping that they won't cause hardcore players to quit SC2 altogether. I've made sure to disconnect facebook from sc2 for myself, but it should probably be easier and/or the defaults should be changed.
However, privacy issues aside, it seems that advertising via facebook is good for starcraft. Attracting more players is a good thing.
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So it has been told that Blizzard should not talk to anyone about this problem, but some guy decides to post about it with his friend's gender and position....not very smart.
I don't like to hear this at all, but can you really trust a 59 DK?
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On July 09 2010 01:11 Dance.jhu wrote:
So it has been told that Blizzard should not talk to anyone about this problem, but some guy decides to post about it with his friend's gender and position....not very smart.
There are probably a crazy shit-ton of female GMs at Blizzard.
On July 09 2010 01:11 Dance.jhu wrote:
I don't like to hear this at all, but can you really trust a 59 DK?
The moderators deleted the post, if that lends any credence to the claims.
And both elements make sense, that
1. there is an organized hush campaign that blizzard is involved in - how else can you explain nobody saying anything while a two thousand page thread is being relentlessly moderated (over two thousand posts deleted, blues say nothing, greens say "what")
2. everything that's not game design isn't in the hands of blizzard anymore.
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This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it.
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On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it.
Actually I just want to play a cool game, all the b.net 2.0 stuff doesn't bother me at all. Don't call me naive, stupid, or dismissive.
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On July 09 2010 01:29 Colbear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it. Actually I just want to play a cool game, all the b.net 2.0 stuff doesn't bother me at all. Don't call me naive, stupid, or dismissive.
Well while that is dismissive, I wasn't really targetting my post at people who don't have an opinion. If you want to refrain from having an opinion that is fine.
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On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it.
Showing real names is a bad idea, no doubt. But a slippery slope to 1984? Let's keep things in perspective please.
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