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On July 09 2010 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 22:31 Fyrewolf wrote:
People are getting quite passionate in posts based on hearsay(sister of a friend of a friend is a gm at blizzard? wow).
To be honest, I think everyone in this thread needs to step back and realize how good everything is actually going and how spoiled we sound right now. We have the privilege of seeing one of the most well-made games of all time BEFORE it's release, and we bitch about the fact that it's unfinished on the BNET 2.0 side. We're acting spoiled because we didn't have everything we wanted right away, when its obviously a better choice to focus on the game and get it good and polished, and that the BNET system is one of the last things to get it's finishing touches in development.
Blizzard's history for all the self-admitted non-followers, has been to Release an IMPERFECT GAME that they make AWESOME through CONTINUED PATCHING AND SUPPORT. Everything we still want in the game is coming. I won't consider the game fully done until at least 5 post-release patches come out.
I trust Blizzard, regardless of Blizzard having to answer to Activision for pretty much only budget purposes. You don't make 4 of the 5 best selling PC games OF ALL TIME by being stupid, but by maintaining them well after release. Look, it's not bitching about Battle.net 2.0 not having all the new stuff we wanted - it's about Battle.net 2.0 having LESS things than Battle.net 1.0 - released 12 years ago. It's about every new feature that gets announced being something that is either directly hurtful to competition (no lan, new division system), or at the very least irrelevant (facebook). Their promised content may yet redeem them, but with the way they've choosen to announce things, I really don't blame anyone for thinking the sky is falling, cause Blizzard sure hasn't done much to convince anyone otherwise.
Just to be picky, Battle.Net was released with Diablo (The original) in January of 1997 making Battle.net not 12 years old, but 13.
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Well what I have come to see is many people complain, and whine and are just plain annoying, but eventually one will realise that it gets nowhere. They already know everyone here will buy the game, and they need to expand and make more money. Blizzard is no longer the company that delivers an amazing product for a good price, but delivers an amazing product for too much. It can be activision or blizzards want for more profits, regardless.
Complaining gets nowhere, 10k sales compared to the 5 million of people that barely know anything about StarCraft I or II, they aren't aware of what's going on.
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On July 09 2010 08:08 Peekaboo wrote:
It is a shame that Activision's business model is so flawed. They fail to understand what they have in Blizzard, at all. Its pointless for me to outline it.
And really, I'm surprised those billboards on metalopolis don't have real ads. Someone at Activision needs to get on Starcraft product placement.
Why do you think the business model is flawed? They can milk a successful gaming company dry and then discard it, because another creative company will have some good games by then and since Activision has made TONS of ca$h they can easily buy that next one then and rinse repeat the whole thing over again. They arent interested in continuity or long term things, just the fast money.
The same kind of "logic" is used for many successful companies.
Why bother with creating things, when you can make money faster by taking something that exists, rip it apart and sell the pieces for more than the initial price was? It doesnt matter that this ruins countless lives by making people unemployed ...
It is an "acceptable" business tactic and just because Blizzard is a gaming company (and games are for kids) it still applies here, although the "ruined lives" is their customers who are milked for everything they will pay.
The billboards on Metalopolis will be filled with real ads eventually. Especially soft drink companies or fast food giants will probably be a good target for those ... just make a TV commercial as to how emperor Mengsk still uses their products and show it in reduced scale there.
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On July 09 2010 13:14 Skillz_Man wrote:
Well what I have come to see is many people complain, and whine and are just plain annoying, but eventually one will realise that it gets nowhere. They already know everyone here will buy the game, and they need to expand and make more money. Blizzard is no longer the company that delivers an amazing product for a good price, but delivers an amazing product for too much. It can be activision or blizzards want for more profits, regardless.
Complaining gets nowhere, 10k sales compared to the 5 million of people that barely know anything about StarCraft I or II, they aren't aware of what's going on.
I wasn't going to buy Sc2 anyway. Too much for a game that doesn't look that fun. And that had nothing to do with any controversy. I don't see what everyone else sees in Sc2, to be honest. Even more so as the list of grievances piles up.
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On July 09 2010 09:57 oxxo wrote:
What's with all the fear mongering and complaining people do nowadays?
FACTS:
Vivendi owned Blizzard.
Vivendi's GAMES division merged with Activision.
Blizzard is one of the few if not the only of Vivendi's games divisions that maintains AUTONOMY FROM ACTIVISION.
Get over it.
You do realize that the whole point of this thread is that Blizzard has NOT maintained (complete) autonomy...
right?
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The real annoying thing about it is
1. the goddamn wall of silence they're putting up and
2. the blatant lies they are telling and
3. the tons of shit they are silently deleting without explanation
We are not fucking retarded, Blizzard. You have enough moderation staff to delete five thousand fucking posts in a three thousand fucking page thread inside forty-eight hours. If this was really about trolls and flaming you could have done something far less controversial and far more effective. Tell us the real reason, to our faces, you're doing this. Fucking say something.
They're not, of course, going to fucking say anything, they're just going to hope it blows over.
post plug: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=134985¤tpage=3#45
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On July 08 2010 22:31 loadme wrote:
sooner or later Kotick will get threaten or attacked for the things he puts on millions of players all over the planet
All of you know Kotick's first and last name and yet Bashiok is the one that gets harassed.
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On July 09 2010 17:32 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 22:31 loadme wrote:
sooner or later Kotick will get threaten or attacked for the things he puts on millions of players all over the planet All of you know Kotick's first and last name and yet Bashiok is the one that gets harassed.
For Bashiok, most popular address floating (first source, I think) around seems like people got the wrong fucking address, so there's somebody with the same name who had his day ruined. Kotick's stuff is also floating around, but I don't knowhow much either of them have been bothered.
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On July 09 2010 09:57 oxxo wrote:
What's with all the fear mongering and complaining people do nowadays?
FACTS:
Vivendi owned Blizzard.
Vivendi's GAMES division merged with Activision.
Blizzard is one of the few if not the only of Vivendi's games divisions that maintains AUTONOMY FROM ACTIVISION.
Get over it.
The sooner you give up trying to reason with these kinds of threads, the happier you'll be. People don't want to accept that their PRECIOUS PERFECT BLIZZARD is making boneheaded moves.
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Have to agree that the secrecy kind of sucks.
Still, though, don't do anything retarded to oppose this, whether spamming Bashiok or punching Bobby Kotick or whatever. That's just going to make us all (as gamers) look bad. We don't exactly want politicians picking up on this and making the wrong conclusions.
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I'm very very happy that Real ID now no longer uses your name (at least for forums). I'm not necessarily happy with how everything has been going with Bnet. But I have Faith and Hope. Besides, even if they're new games end up not as good, it doesn't erase their track record and make Brood War any less fun.
Maybe I just remember the days before we heard anything about pre-release games, and we had to judge them after they came out, (before internet reviews I mean, when you had to have a subscription to egm or pcworld or nintendo power to even hear anything). Obviously if we follow things in development, we'll see stupid ideas pop up that end up getting axed before it comes out.
The other thing I remember, is that Blizzard has 2 MORE SC games coming out. They're going to be dealing with starcraft for a long time. And I have no real problems with the game, it's awesome. So if Bnet is not ideal right now, I don't have that much problem with it, because I know (or hope anyways) that working on the system is somewhere there alongside the expansions. We do need chat channels. BEFORE release, I hope. But as Blizzard says, Gameplay First.
As I said, Blizzard isn't stupid. Just sometimes they go a little too hard on the psionic fumes and need 2500 pages of wowforum posts to get them to come down.
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Wait for Q&A at blizzcon boys.
Im sure a lot of people are going to have some pretty serious questions for the starcraft panel.
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On July 08 2010 18:46 Drakan wrote:
All i want to see is their stocks go down to hell... so sad that blizzard sold themselves to this fuckers.
Just want to point out that Blizzard didn't "sell themselves", and actually had little-to-no say in what happened. It was a merger between Vivendi-Games, a division of Vivendi SA, the company that owns blizzard, and Activision. Blizzard may be Vivendi's personal little cashcow, but that doesn't mean they have control over what their parent company does.
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