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On July 09 2010 01:34 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it. Showing real names is a bad idea, no doubt. But a slippery slope to 1984? Let's keep things in perspective please.
I am, and this either goes towards it or doesn't. Does it not go towards it?
How many games does activision own, what kind of influence does it have? When it sets a precedent like this, is it not easier for others to follow suit?
http://devilsworkshop.org/anonymous-posting-made-illegal-in-south-korea/
did you read about this?
now with something like this precedent happen, would it really be all that surprising if some time in the future the U.S. decides to pass a similar law? (the answer is it wouldn't, if you think it would you don't know what kind of assholes are running the country)
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On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
Wake up sheeple!
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Wow...
if they think facebook and those who play farmville will switch to starcraft 2 they must be mistaken...Yes it is advertisement for facebook but do they really think those who play farmville or any browser game is going to really switch to starcraft? The sc2 scene is pretty competitive and I just can't see the average farmville player trying to play this rts. It's like sending an average candyland player into chess (didn't mean to offend anyone)...It just doesn't seem right. While in the mean time piss off all the chess players.
If activision is pulling the strings, I just hope they don't burn the game into the ground...
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On July 09 2010 01:38 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 01:34 Smackzilla wrote:On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it. Showing real names is a bad idea, no doubt. But a slippery slope to 1984? Let's keep things in perspective please. I am, and this either goes towards it or doesn't. Does it not go towards it? How many games does activision own, what kind of influence does it have? When it sets a precedent like this, is it not easier for others to follow suit? http://devilsworkshop.org/anonymous-posting-made-illegal-in-south-korea/did you read about this? now with something like this precedent happen, would it really be all that surprising if some time in the future the U.S. decides to pass a similar law? (the answer is it wouldn't, if you think it would you don't know what kind of assholes are running the country)
Seriously? So when you said that Blizzard is "a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state", that was keeping things in perspective?
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On July 09 2010 01:46 SequorNubilum wrote:
Wow...
if they think facebook and those who play farmville will switch to starcraft 2 they must be mistaken...Yes it is advertisement for facebook but do they really think those who play farmville or any browser game is going to really switch to starcraft? The sc2 scene is pretty competitive and I just can't see the average farmville player trying to play this rts. It's like sending an average candyland player into chess (didn't mean to offend anyone)...It just doesn't seem right. While in the mean time piss off all the chess players.
If activision is pulling the strings, I just hope they don't burn the game into the ground...
Activision only really makes money off the initial sale. Why would they care if a farmville player got into the sc2 community? They just care if they drop the 60$ on the game. Activision isn't Blizzard they don't give a shit about gaining a loyal following.
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Who cares about Facebook? If you hate it so much, why are you on it. It's really easy to block anything on Facebook anyway.
My concern is over LAN play. This is a big deal, and a huge insult to Blizzard's dedicated fans that we wouldn't buy the game if we could play LAN. What is going to end up happening is that there's going to be a cracked version that CAN play LAN, and instead of insisting to all my friends that they must buy Starcraft 2, I'll instead just point them to the cracked version so we can play on LAN. Now Blizzard just lost the revenue of all my friends, and any goodwill I would have spread on the internets.
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On July 09 2010 01:46 SequorNubilum wrote:
Wow...
if they think facebook and those who play farmville will switch to starcraft 2 they must be mistaken...Yes it is advertisement for facebook but do they really think those who play farmville or any browser game is going to really switch to starcraft? The sc2 scene is pretty competitive and I just can't see the average farmville player trying to play this rts. It's like sending an average candyland player into chess (didn't mean to offend anyone)...It just doesn't seem right. While in the mean time piss off all the chess players.
If activision is pulling the strings, I just hope they don't burn the game into the ground...
I whole heartedly agree. There are ways to get Farmville-only players switching into StarCraft, but the current way is not one of them. I would not agree with the incompatibility between Farmville and SC2 players though. Everyone starts out as a newer player, and I have no doubt that one day some crazy gamer would point to Farmville as a starting point.
And besides, Farmville is popular for a reason... I've had my stint with Farmville and many other gamer friends of mine have too. Wanna be neighbors?
But Activision can do anything it wants. In the end, it is Activision that gets burned for doing stupid stuff. While it is the concept of corporate greed and capitalism that brought us into this unideal situation, it will probably be corporate greed and capitalism that saves us.
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On July 09 2010 01:50 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 01:38 travis wrote:On July 09 2010 01:34 Smackzilla wrote:On July 09 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
This is corporate america it's the same as all the other huge corporations who's sole interest is money. When all you care about is money this is the kind of things that happen. A lot of people don't understand how terrible this realID thing is and what kind of precedent it sets. It goes way beyond the game here.
I hope everyone that works for blizzard quits. I would if I worked for Blizzard. As I have told others I will not be buyin the game as I won't support a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state. And that's exactly what realID does - but most of you are too naive, too stupid, or too dismissive to realize it. Showing real names is a bad idea, no doubt. But a slippery slope to 1984? Let's keep things in perspective please. I am, and this either goes towards it or doesn't. Does it not go towards it? How many games does activision own, what kind of influence does it have? When it sets a precedent like this, is it not easier for others to follow suit? http://devilsworkshop.org/anonymous-posting-made-illegal-in-south-korea/did you read about this? now with something like this precedent happen, would it really be all that surprising if some time in the future the U.S. decides to pass a similar law? (the answer is it wouldn't, if you think it would you don't know what kind of assholes are running the country) Seriously? So when you said that Blizzard is "a company who wants to help push the world into an authoritarian state", that was keeping things in perspective?
ok pick out flaws in my semantics, do you not think it's possible that I didn't mean it that literally? what I am saying is that activision's policies are accomplishing just that, and I am sure bobby kotick doesn't give as fuck about any of it as long as he makes more money.
my point isn't about what activision wants or doesn't want, my point is about what they are doing.
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just wait, until the system gets its creator stabbed very hard in the back
its only the question of time
someone gets mad, figures out another ones identity, tracks him down, beats him up or somehow ruins his life
and this dude will go and hunt down the vivendi, activision, blizzard decision makers
we are talking about a comunity over millions of ppl where negative emotion vs opponents ins a daily business we have to deal with.
just wait for it -.-
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I would like to believe blizzard is innocent, i believed in them once. I hope to again.
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Well thanks to Real ID that wont happen again, 6-month planning is sooooo pre-Real ID :D
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On July 08 2010 23:10 Sixes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 18:31 Psychopomp wrote:Wait, so they won't interfere with Blizzard's game design, just superfluous stuff outside of the game itself? I'll probably catch some flak, but in that case I don't fucking care.Edit: Oh, sure, you'll always have the ability to play Starcraft II in peace and quiet the same way you can have a facebook with everything turned off - most people just aren't going to fucking bother with the additional trouble. I think you overestimate how much of the community as a whole actually cares about stuff like this. The people who post on forums are a tiny minority, and the people who actually go through on the threats of quitting are even smaller. People will put up with a tremendous amount of bullshit. The sales and subs they'll lose from any of this will be negligible, even disregarding sales they stand to gain. This. I honestly don't give a damn how they do their advertising. As long as they let Blizzard produce the same quality of product (which they seem to be doing) they may as well collect money for it. As far as I'm concerned I am buying the games (the SC2+expansions, Diablo 3, never liked WoW for personal reasons and advertising won't change that) regardless and advertising consequently doesn't concern me. If they feel like using facebook as publicity and connecting with a very large audience, good for them, let them recruit customers, that's what the marketing division is payed for. As for the first name issue on forums, my first (and probably only) reaction was to make myself unsearchable on facebook. I have a lot of friends who have ditched it, I hardly use it at all, it is by no means essential to anything I do (whether university which I am just out of or professional life, if I have a few people I want to invite and keep in touch with, I can still do that). On the other hand I think it could have the good consequence of cleaning up the forums a little. As for the people bitching about invasions of privacy because they put half their lives on facebook and post on the blizzard forums well ... wither stop posting on those forums, make yourself unsearchable on facebook, or if you are really paranoid create a fake RealID (get a gmail of JD.Whyte@gmail.com, create a facebook account if you want, and post on forums as John Whyte, you now have a very nice facade for your online interactions with no connection to your real life). Damien (Woot you know my first name !!!)
I agree, 100%. Same exact thoughts I have on all this uproar.
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On July 09 2010 02:03 ibgeekn4me wrote:
I would like to believe blizzard is innocent, i believed in them once. I hope to again.
I don't really know a whole lot about how this stuff works, but if blizz is getting so pissed off as well, can they not just break away from activision?
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i saw this this battle.net Forumpost somewhere else i was like wtf. its kinda sad to see my favorite gaming-company losing reputation over and over again 
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once your taken over, you cant run away 
you would have to quit and create a new company with a complete new infrastructure
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What does this have to do with SC2 exactly? Sports & Games!
I think there's too much speculation going on. When something bad happens and there's no good reason for it, then sure go have a discussion about why it's bad, whether we should tolerate it and whether anything should be done about it.
When you speculate on things that haven't even happened yet, like B.net 2.0 and the effects that Real ID and Facebook integration will have on gaming, it's such a flimsy and bullshit discussion.
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Nice theory. I'm not sure if their plan will work because they have a long way to go before making WoW appealing to the casual market. But I do agree that they will make much more profit if they are able to.
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On July 08 2010 22:31 Fyrewolf wrote:
People are getting quite passionate in posts based on hearsay(sister of a friend of a friend is a gm at blizzard? wow).
To be honest, I think everyone in this thread needs to step back and realize how good everything is actually going and how spoiled we sound right now. We have the privilege of seeing one of the most well-made games of all time BEFORE it's release, and we bitch about the fact that it's unfinished on the BNET 2.0 side. We're acting spoiled because we didn't have everything we wanted right away, when its obviously a better choice to focus on the game and get it good and polished, and that the BNET system is one of the last things to get it's finishing touches in development.
Blizzard's history for all the self-admitted non-followers, has been to Release an IMPERFECT GAME that they make AWESOME through CONTINUED PATCHING AND SUPPORT. Everything we still want in the game is coming. I won't consider the game fully done until at least 5 post-release patches come out.
I trust Blizzard, regardless of Blizzard having to answer to Activision for pretty much only budget purposes. You don't make 4 of the 5 best selling PC games OF ALL TIME by being stupid, but by maintaining them well after release.
I really don't agree with you!.... at all....
Blizzard [in my own experience || read memory] has always released damn near perfect games. They always released games when they taught it was worthy of their names. I'm sorry but to say that their game was IMPERFECT is pretty much to say that every other released game was shitty as hell.
From what I saw in the past from Blizzard, the games were at their best when they released them... sure they might have needed a bit of patching to balance X and X... or to ADD cool features/goodies but overall you had a COMPLETE, FINISHED and POLISHED product in your hand. All that was added in the future where just cool things that we didn't need FROM THE START. In my mind, Blizzard's game were just and INSTA buy. I would have bought any games from them (in fact I bought every games from them) eventho it wouldn't have been announced or if it was only a flash application. Blizzard WAS the best!
I would be lying if I'd say that I won't pick SC2 on the release day... since I even plan on traveling 2 hrs to get it from the midnight release. I would be lying if I'd say that I don't even look foward to D3 or any other games from them. I'm just saying that Blizzard isn't the company that we used to know and that I might start to filter their games if they go the activision way. Anyways, we'll have a taste with SC2... and we'll know for future games if it was bitter or sweet! 
P.S. F[-word] Kotick !!!
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Konsume you must not have played WoW at release :o
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On July 09 2010 02:34 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Konsume you must not have played WoW at release :o
nope, I played it a month after release or something and the game was pretty good. I heard that they needed to balance alot in the 1st few weeks but... I guess that since it was their 1st mmo... it somewhat normal.
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