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On July 08 2010 13:19 Fizzgig wrote:
I've read no arguments against having a toggle-able rally point which when right clicked, will have units attack move, and will have units move by default, just like auto-repair. This is the best of both worlds with an easy and intuitive interface.
And for those of you wondering, Warcraft III uses attack move rally points.
Thats true, I guess if the enemy decides to pick off your reinf your pretty much screwed, but we should be able to chose how the die if so, attacking or running buy
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I feel this makes zerglings VERY weak against protoss. I used to defend my nat, many times with a nice zergling spawn and now they just run through zealots getting instagibbed on the way. Also is it just me of do zerglings feel even weaker now? I dont know what it o_o
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MICRO YOUR UNITS.
USE MORE THAN 30 APM
Seriously everyone whining about this (fantastic) change just points out that "their guys die omg". Whereas the people arguing in favor of the move mechanic actually have decent points. I.E. Rines near hatch, want lings to move away so you can build them up, rally attacking scouts needlessly, etc.
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lol I couldn't imagine having Attack-Move-RP in BW but I guess for new players it's nice to have. Sucks for us others who would like to control our units though.
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On July 08 2010 16:53 Orzabal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:15 Sixes wrote:
I think the biggest thing (for me at least) will be the ability to rally my zerglings behind the hatchery when marines are attacking the front. As it is I always lose one of them at least before I can get them all to turn around and get out (and I start with egg selected spamming, but they always take 2 steps towards the marines first).
If I want an attack move it is much easier to select them in transition (or if it is to attack something really close just don't give them a rally point). We should have the choice : - Click the RP : move - Shift Click the RP : A move.
I like the idea
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just make it like move and a-move. Press "A" when issuing the rally point to make it an attack rally.
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There is nothing more frustrating than having my spawning lings charging at an enemy when their rally point is set in the opposite direction. The amount of lings Ive lost to this is just rage inducing, and theres NOTHING I can do about it but try and grab them before they get roasted.
The move rally is far better, however I support a toggle
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Move RP!
This is the best feature that comes with the "new beta", finally this game is becoming a bit more complicated. This is important because it shows that blizz may stop taking the way of "everbody is a winner" and start creating a competitive game
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Rally move is so more controllable.
When you get your early expo hatch attacked by marines and you build 12 lings out of your 2 hatcheries an want to rally up your choke.
All the lings will actually run out there and you won't have half of your army attacking out of position + other half up the choke...
This happened to me several times.
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Move rally is by far better. In 100% of situations you have more time to grab your units and go from move -> attack move than you have to grab your units and make them go from attack move -> move.
I don't support a toggle because it's just another annoying level of complexity in the game's UI. I would support such an option in the game's options though. Default should be move, because it's better and while it's a bit of personal taste I'd still say it's worse to go attack-move default.
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On July 08 2010 19:44 Kashll wrote:
MICRO YOUR UNITS.
USE MORE THAN 30 APM
Seriously everyone whining about this (fantastic) change just points out that "their guys die omg". Whereas the people arguing in favor of the move mechanic actually have decent points. I.E. Rines near hatch, want lings to move away so you can build them up, rally attacking scouts needlessly, etc.
when playing in a 2v2 as a zerg player, this change gives me alot of grief. when my teammate was getting attacked by a huge force, I of course rally all my hatcheries to his base to try and help. but since there are multiple expansions, the units come from multiple directions.
if i dont babysit every direction, then I lose units for free. I can't just draw a rectangle around them, because there was usually an overlord above their heads, and it takes too long to shift click the overlords out of my rectangle, because the units move so fast on creep that they reach the enemy force and die. imagine trying to select a group of 12 speedlings on creep (super fast!) rushing towards their own death. its like i have to save all my units from jumping off a cliff.
It's especially difficult when the units running are of different unit types; then it will take multiple ctrl-clicks to save them all. as zerg, all the units pop out of eggs, which means that they will not always run as a cluster, but be spread out a little bit, which makes boxing them even more challenging.
I want the option of choosing a-move rally, or I might have to switch to protoss who gets warp-in. this is awful for me. and yes, my APM is higher than 30, but when there is a million things going on at once, I dont want to spend a huge chunk of my time babysitting units that will kill themselves if I don't stop them, especially when a quick change can give me more of my ingame time back to things that are more useful.
the sad part is that I wish I could post my opinion on the official bliz forum, but I really don't want to post my first and last name, so I can only hope that bliz would read this thread and this poll.
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It's very situational and sometimes you need so spawned units attack-move and sometime to just go in exact location.
Let's say if i plan early rush as zerg and i set RP to enemy base and there is probe in my base, then zerglings will attack probe so i need to separate move them.
Does not really matter..
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On July 08 2010 16:53 Orzabal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:15 Sixes wrote:
I think the biggest thing (for me at least) will be the ability to rally my zerglings behind the hatchery when marines are attacking the front. As it is I always lose one of them at least before I can get them all to turn around and get out (and I start with egg selected spamming, but they always take 2 steps towards the marines first).
If I want an attack move it is much easier to select them in transition (or if it is to attack something really close just don't give them a rally point). We should have the choice : - Click the RP : move - Shift Click the RP : A move.
Shift already has a use when setting production facility rally points. It lets you set waypoints in the rally point. So for example you can make your rax rally point go around an enemy cannon not thru it.
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should have both options.
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its not the worst change
now sc2 gets somehow more difficult.
especially when massing units
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I agree, shift click rally point could be attack
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I really don’t see why there can’t be both options. Personally, I liked A-move RP. Perhaps ALT + right-click for A-move…?
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On July 08 2010 22:32 godlfishs wrote:
I agree, shift click rally point could be attack
Shift-click for attack would mess up the ability to issue multiple move commands or a-move commands, which would kind of suck. Sometimes to have to make your units go an alternate path and not a straight line.
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click = move
a+click = attack move?
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having both would be nice.
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EPT
