Here's the standard TL -

Feature that was bascially automated attacking so you didn't have to manage the spawning units in BW - Sweet!

Feature in SC2 that means you actually have to manage your spawning units rally points so they don't suicide: FUCKING CASUAL GAME, GIVE ME BACK MY AUTO ATTACK MOVE RALLYS!

dsafness

United States16 Posts

July 13 2010 17:27 GMT

#162

Panzer Dragoon says it all.

DuneBug

United States668 Posts

July 13 2010 17:34 GMT

#163

I play zerg so... On maps where i've got hatcheries all over the place it's inconvenient to have move-only rallies in case some army cuts between them.

But it's really just a learning thing. That happened to me on desert oasis once, and i lost a lot of shit. I won't let that happen again. If I don't have vision of everywhere between my hatches with tumors i'll probably just rally next to the hatch.

Not really a big deal. It was kind of annoying before having a unit spawn and attack immediately when he needed to get the f' out of there.

dhe95

United States1213 Posts

July 13 2010 17:52 GMT

#164

So, when you are being rushed earlygame, what are you doing? You're building units, workers, continuing your build, and defending. Are you guys all really saying that you don't have the apm to make a box around those two zealots that popped up and a move?

Later on in the game, shouldn't you know where your opponents army is? If your opponent's army is right outside your base, you should know this, not have your units find out on the way.

ktimekiller

United States690 Posts

July 13 2010 18:01 GMT

#165

I did prefer attack move, but forcing a move rally makes sure the players are paying attention rather than senselessly putting rally straight to the enemy's base and forgetting about it

EccoEcco

United States61 Posts

July 13 2010 18:17 GMT

#166

While newbs vs. geezers is fun to spectate, I'd far prefer having a choice (either a toggle in the options menu or a UI distinction) to having it one way or another.

Both styles create scenarios that reward players for having higher APM and awareness, as well as production cycle mechanics that can be abused by your opponent. I don't see one as obviously superior to the other, but being forced to use one when both have been presented in the engine seems odd.

Edited for grammar.

Gedrah

465 Posts

July 13 2010 18:20 GMT

#167

The unit-producing structure should simply have a command card with attack and move as its options, and use these options to set the rally point as one or the other depending on preference, with default being move (if you right-click as opposed to a-click)

Bosu

United States3247 Posts

July 13 2010 18:22 GMT

#168

In most cases attack move would be best. In some cases, like as a zerg player defending a bunker rush, move is necessary. Having options for both would be best, but if there is only one move is the best.

theSAiNT

United States726 Posts

July 13 2010 18:26 GMT

#169

This makes a really huge difference as a defending zerg rallying reinforcements. As the battle moves back and forth I've often found waypointed units walking past their comrades and dieing without even attacking. This is especially true for zerglings which are so fast on creep but are immensely fragile. Personally I vastly prefer attack move way points.

Percutio

United States1672 Posts

July 13 2010 18:31 GMT

#170

Personally I don't really care for the attack move rally, but I think it helps more players in a greater way than it hurts others.

I tend to either rally to a unit or keep the units in my base, so attack move rally never really did anything for me.

Tropics

United Kingdom1132 Posts

July 13 2010 18:32 GMT

#171

im amazed at the amount of people who prefer attack move, i sure love how when im getting pushed i cant reinforce because my units spawn, try to attack, then die!

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

July 13 2010 18:43 GMT

#172

On July 08 2010 10:22 Crisium wrote:
Blizzard still doesn't get it. Don't worry, I'll let you all in on how Rally Point should be.

Have a toggle option for Rally-Move and Rally-Attack Move. Holy crap, how was the solution so simple? The default should be Rally-Move, but Attack Move undoubtedly has its uses as well.

It could be like toggling Autocast on and off - just right click on the Rally Point symbol to switch between Move and Attack move.

Why the hell not?

That does sound like a good solution.

sm0kiE

United States3 Posts

July 18 2010 10:05 GMT

#173

Give the player the option of both styles? Like the default right click would be normal move RP, and you gotta press a different button for attack-move RP.

Vei

United States2845 Posts

July 18 2010 10:23 GMT

#174

Do you know how ****ing tedious Nydus Worms are without attack-rally?

HubertFelix

France631 Posts

July 18 2010 10:33 GMT

#175

When the game will become older with bigger maps etc.. You won't be able to play with auto attack rally points.
With different fronts on the map, some unit would keep suiciding themselves while rallied.
Don't just think about your mech/4gate+robo attack.

Blizzard could just add another unit order for this attack rally point like some people said.

Zombo Joe

Canada850 Posts

July 18 2010 10:36 GMT

#176

Things like Nydus Worms should have Attack Move. But everything else should stay as Move. Otherwise it just makes it too easy out-macro an enemy and it reduces micro by a lot.

Intercepting units is one good way to out-micro an enemy but if these units actually attack back it becomes less effective.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

July 18 2010 10:37 GMT

#177

Move rally point is way better.

BlackMesa

Kenya338 Posts

July 18 2010 10:48 GMT

#178

I don't understand this argument. Due to the unlimited unit and building selection, rally should always be on move. That way, they don't get caught up on anything. If you want to rally to your army, thats okay, just remember to reselect your army every once in a while. And if you want to retreat, just change rallys again.

Brazen[six]

Canada203 Posts

July 18 2010 12:19 GMT

#179

I understand both side sof the argument... but they are both situational. I think the move command makes sense and it will just force me to modify my pl a little bit. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be. If anything it forces you to have more control over you units. Which is a good thing, right?

arnold(soTa)

Sweden352 Posts

July 18 2010 12:27 GMT

#180

On July 08 2010 10:10 freshiie22 wrote:

Edit: (on my itouch 4 give grammer) ummm so we know beta is back, and I actually got to see how horrible this whole Move-RP is. eg.. was in game, and about 3-4 void rays were in my base. My game changing thors poped out, now i was all like YES. Then to my surprise i watched my idiot thors walk of to the rally point taking fully charged rays to their backs. Now if it could of just attacked before the VRays were in range i cuda killed off a few.

Now a reasonable fix for this like some one posted earlier, was make the option were the production building can toogle spawning units between A-Move and Move to RP, just like how you cant set SCV's to auto repair by right clicking repair. This way everyones happy

Thought blehh why not throw in a poll

Poll: Did you prefer Attack Move RP, Or will you like the Move RP better?

Attack Move RP (818)

64%

Move RP (454)

36%

1272 total votes

Your vote: Did you prefer Attack Move RP, Or will you like the Move RP better?

(Vote): Attack Move RP
(Vote): Move RP

I think its way to easy with attackmove on rallypoint, noobish even.. in a battle? just rally to the location and the computer micros for u..not cool imo. And you cant say it shouldnt be move because it makes no sense etc.. its blizzards game and they want to make competetive games that requires skill..
Also, its not like they changed the rallysystem to work like it does now because its that way in BW, this is a beta and they ofcourse try and figure mechanics out during a beta, it would be a totally different thing if they changed it after the game had been out 2 years... game isnt even out yet.

Also you could keep your head up and issue attackcommands/change the rallypoint of your factories before the thors pop out.