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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On July 14 2010 06:45 ragnasaur wrote: i couldnt even kill 1 queen with 1 void ray while spamming between a queen and drones last night, has this been nerfed? Nope. I dont think its quite as effective in smaller numbers though. So 1v1 unless you can click more than 6 times in a second (I think the attack period of a VR is like .9 seconds or something) it wont be as good. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On July 14 2010 07:09 Ballistixz wrote: this is why ive been saying void rays are overpowered since day 1 of beta. and now this pops up to make then more powerful then God tier units. G fucking G. I'm pretty sure this trick isn't very useful because most people don't have time in the middle of the game to sit there clicking repeatedly with void rays. You can sit there and do that cute micro trick to kill my units 30% faster while i macro up. We'll see who wins. Once you discount the trick, why are VR's overpowered? I say Muta's confer much more of an advantage and are ten times more difficult to scout and counter. (Build stalkers to stop the mutas? MASS LING! Build collossi to stop the lings? Corruptors! etc) | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On July 14 2010 07:12 ghermination wrote: I'm pretty sure this trick isn't very useful because most people don't have time in the middle of the game to sit there clicking repeatedly with void rays. You can sit there and do that cute micro trick to kill my units 30% faster while i macro up. We'll see who wins. Once you discount the trick, why are VR's overpowered? I say Muta's confer much more of an advantage and are ten times more difficult to scout and counter. (Build stalkers to stop the mutas? MASS LING! Build collossi to stop the lings? Corruptors! etc) that rly wouldnt be the point. i can send in a few voids, instantly wipe out ur mineral line and fall back. ur units will never get there faster then i can kill ur entire line. and if they do get there u just instantly wipe those out to. if u even try to put a spore/turret/cannon there then its just a good target to charge up on. void rays needs to be fix, end of story. mutas do have the same affect, but the diffrence between mutas and void rays is that mutas cant instantly vaporize an entire army/base in just a few seconds where as void rays can and will barely take any dmg in the process cuz they kill so fast. once void are charged up there almost impossible to stop. and this is without this new micro trick called "fazing" btw. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On July 14 2010 06:41 TheRabidDeer wrote: I am kind of surprised that this is just now reaching TL.net. Back when VR's were getting huge calls for nerfs this was discovered when people were testing mass VR against mass marine to see if it was still viable to use marines. Naturally, because of this mechanic, it was deemed not viable. Also, the only way it works as described in the OP is if you have the number of VR's needed to one shot a unit. So, going against marines, you need 9 unupgraded VR's. Against Stalkers, you need 32. If you are only 1 short, it drastically changes the amount of damage that they deal and how quickly as they now have to wait for their attack period before the next shot (unless you right click spam on different units). how much does +1 air attack affect the amount of rays you need? just for theorys sake, say you forgo warpgate and get +1 air instead. Would it be significant enough to warrant a later warpgate? | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On July 14 2010 07:28 Ballistixz wrote: that rly wouldnt be the point. i can send in a few voids, instantly wipe out ur mineral line and fall back. ur units will never get there faster then i can kill ur entire line. and if they do get there u just instantly wipe those out to. if u even try to put a spore/turret/cannon there then its just a good target to charge up on. void rays needs to be fix, end of story. mutas do have the same affect, but the diffrence between mutas and void rays is that mutas cant instantly vaporize an entire army/base in just a few seconds where as void rays can and will barely take any dmg in the process cuz they kill so fast. once void are charged up there almost impossible to stop. and this is without this new micro trick called "fazing" btw. So please tell me how to stop it, because 8 voidrays just killed of 35 marines, 8 missile turrets and 4 vikings in about what, 8 seconds? oh yay quoted the wrong guy, ment to quote the guy above you. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On July 14 2010 07:29 Madkipz wrote: how much does +1 air attack affect the amount of rays you need? just for theorys sake, say you forgo warpgate and get +1 air instead. Would it be significant enough to warrant a later warpgate? Its pretty simple math, +1 upgrade puts them at 6 dmg instead of 5 dmg. So, 8 +1 upgraded VR will start 1 shotting marines instead of 9. 27 will one shot stalkers instead of 32. HP of unit/Dmg of VR = # of VR's needed (rounded up to the nearest whole number). | ||
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trickee
United States3 Posts
I'd say it should stay if there are still viable (and reasonable) counters if a person gets up to 8 voids or whatever. I play Terran and my number one counter to voids is vikings (due to the xtra dmg vs. armored). My concern is that now I will need like twice as many vikings as I normally did before this trick was found. I'm not THAT good (silver league stuff), but I know how to target and I always do with my vikings. However, I think that it would be wrong if I needed 3X as many vikings to take out a fleet of voids if both the vikes and voids are fully upgraded. Any thoughts on the matter? btw, found this video on a faze situation...pretty funny...not sure how representative it is of a realistic situation, but it's pretty funny regardless (credit to TheRabidDeer ^) | ||
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NoMicro
Canada69 Posts
On July 14 2010 07:29 Madkipz wrote: how much does +1 air attack affect the amount of rays you need? just for theorys sake, say you forgo warpgate and get +1 air instead. Would it be significant enough to warrant a later warpgate? I've been testing a build that forgoes the warp gate upgrade in exchange for the +1. It works brilliantly against terrans i've come up against. I also DON'T think voidrays are overpowered. They're extremely expensive, and if you get caught with only one or two of them out, then they're probably going down. | ||
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Canada505 Posts
On July 15 2010 01:15 trickee wrote: btw, found this video on a faze situation...pretty funny...not sure how representative it is of a realistic situation, but it's pretty funny regardless + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PAmLv5qKaQ I don't think that's fazing. Marines just die really fast to 50 trijillions VRs so they keep switching targets. He's not clicking anywhere. edit: oh well, yeah the same principle applies. Sorry. | ||
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trickee
United States3 Posts
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Canada505 Posts
On July 15 2010 01:30 trickee wrote: I'm just wondering about the viking thing. We have to assume that if he has time to micro his void rays, you have time to micro your vikings. Having a longer range and being faster should mean that you will win every pure viking vs pure voidray battle. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On July 15 2010 01:30 trickee wrote: Ok, well I really didn't mean much by the video...I just thought it was funny...but thanks for the clarification. I'm just wondering about the viking thing. viking thing? | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On July 15 2010 01:37 Back wrote: We have to assume that if he has time to micro his void rays, you have time to micro your vikings. Having a longer range and being faster should mean that you will win every pure viking vs pure voidray battle. Void rays are faster when they are upgraded. | ||
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Housta
United States57 Posts
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FecalFrown
215 Posts
Sorry guys =( Source: http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/StarCraft-2-Developer-Chat/ch-p/SC2 Chat started up about an hour ago, goes till 9 eastern. The guy that asked the question also made him aware of the infestor bug, so thats likely gone now too =P | ||
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
On July 16 2010 08:56 FecalFrown wrote: Dustin Browder: "We are aware of Void Ray fazing and we will be addressing that." Sorry guys =( Source? | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On July 14 2010 06:46 TheRabidDeer wrote: Nope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZtPY9w3e0 I dont think its quite as effective in smaller numbers though. So 1v1 unless you can click more than 6 times in a second (I think the attack period of a VR is like .9 seconds or something) it wont be as good. What a horrible counter for that many voids :D | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On July 16 2010 08:56 FecalFrown wrote: Dustin Browder: "We are aware of Void Ray fazing and we will be addressing that." Sorry guys =( Source: http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/StarCraft-2-Developer-Chat/ch-p/SC2 Chat started up about an hour ago, goes till 9 eastern. The guy that asked the question also made him aware of the infestor bug, so thats likely gone now too =P people are so smart, asking developers questions so they can remove things that make the game more fun  guess it was only a matter of time anyways. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
Sad to see it's probably gonna go tho | ||
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