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So I noticed on the liquipedia article it says:
"During a broadcast game on September 16, 2009, OGN commentator Um Jae Kyung (엄재경) briefly discussed the difference between a bunker rush and a "cheese" rush. According to his explanation, the term "cheese" originated from the word "cheater's" (words in Korean are sometimes shortened by the middle syllables, so 치터즈 [chi tuh zu] would become 치즈 [chi zu])."
which implies that "cheese" may have been invented during some korean e-sports, but I don't believe that is true. I know long before Starcraft was even invented gaming still had the "cheese" phrase. The earliest account of it I saw was in 1994's Primal Rage where it would actually display a Swiss Cheese icon above you when you did "cheap" moves and then prevent you from continuing the cheesy move. It may have existed before that as well, thats just the first time I was introduced to it.
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Hm yea maybe it could have gone in Sports & Games forum i guess?
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oh wow thanks. didnt know cheese was THAT old O-O I can just imagine guys in 1900 playing chess or whatever it is they played back then and they get cheesed and they just throw the board against the wall and leave without a gg.
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On June 07 2010 06:20 Disastorm wrote:
oh wow thanks. didnt know cheese was THAT old O-O I can just imagine guys in 1900 playing chess or whatever it is they played back then and they get cheesed and they just throw the board against the wall and leave without a gg.
rofl
This is actually really eye opening.
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I bet 6 pool was the origins of cheese.
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Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is..
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On June 07 2010 06:29 Whiplash wrote:
I bet 6 pool was the origins of cheese.
Then you don't know/remember 4pool with the 150 mineral pool.
On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is..
Not really, but proxied it is.
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Two month old thread: "Cheesing what is it really"
TL wasn't launched a week before the beta. We have discussed this over, and over, and over, and over again.
And then it got closed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118089
The cheese characterization has been used in several games for a long time not related to Starcraft at all so I doubt that it has anything to do with Korean language.
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On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is..
No, it is not a cheese. It is just early pressure/harass, if it doesn't do any damage you will just be a little behind. A cheese would be GG upon failure.
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On June 07 2010 07:04 UmmTheHobo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is.. No, it is not a cheese. It is just early pressure/harass, if it doesn't do any damage you will just be a little behind. A cheese would be GG upon failure.
That would be an all-in, and I believe cheese and all-in can exist as both or only one. From what I read on these forums a little while back cheese is a term to describe a strat that would fail if spotted (ie proxying a darkshrine against T so they use their OC energy and don't produce turrets/ravens)
Edit:
Cheese
Cheese is a negative expression which refers to a strategy that is highly unconventional and designed to take one's opponent by surprise. In general, cheese is nearly impossible to defeat if it is not scouted but easy to defeat if it is scouted.
From the liquidedia
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I guess as a brief add-on, does proxy stand for proximity? Or is it supposed to mean it's actual definition?
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On June 07 2010 07:19 Karliath wrote:
I guess as a brief add-on, does proxy stand for proximity? Or is it supposed to mean it's actual definition?
I always thought so. It makes a lot of sense if proxy was short for proximity since you're making your buildings closer the opponent.
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On June 07 2010 07:19 Karliath wrote:
I guess as a brief add-on, does proxy stand for proximity? Or is it supposed to mean it's actual definition?
Pretty sure it's proxy's literal denotative definition.
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Proxy: acting as substitute for another
Proximity: 1: the property of being close together
2: the region close around a person or thing
They both make sense to me, but I think proximity is more likely the correct one, as it'd be kinda strange if SC people actually adapted the literal definition of proxy to the game. It's a bit too "intelligent," if you'll forgive me for saying so.
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Proxy is short for proximity. It refers to building structures near your opponents base, or even in your opponents base.
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On June 07 2010 08:26 Mastermind wrote:
Proxy is short for proximity. It refers to building structures near your opponents base, or even in your opponents base.
On June 07 2010 07:34 Karliath wrote:
Proxy: acting as substitute for another
Proximity: 1: the property of being close together
2: the region close around a person or thing
They both make sense to me, but I think proximity is more likely the correct one, as it'd be kinda strange if SC people actually adapted the literal definition of proxy to the game. It's a bit too "intelligent," if you'll forgive me for saying so.
From Liquipedia:
A proxy building is a building built outside your own base including your natural base, sometimes in the proximity of your opponent's base. Despite the similarity between the words 'proximity' and 'proxy', the term actually stems from the word 'proxy' as something which in acts on behalf of someone or something else.
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cheese = cheap and easy. cheesy.
pretty much applies to most of the cheese rushes since they a) often mean a easy win and b) often require very little control or even skill outside of timings.
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Please use the search function, google it or make an etymology search.
Stop making new threads for the sake of making new threads. 
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On June 07 2010 06:20 Disastorm wrote:
oh wow thanks. didnt know cheese was THAT old O-O I can just imagine guys in 1900 playing chess or whatever it is they played back then and they get cheesed and they just throw the board against the wall and leave without a gg.
3 move checkmate - the first known cheese.
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Cheese is an ancient food whose origins predate recorded history. There is no conclusive evidence indicating where cheesemaking originated, either in Europe, Central Asia or the Middle East, but the practice had spread within Europe prior to Roman times and, according to Pliny the Elder, had become a sophisticated enterprise by the time the Roman Empire came into being.
Proposed dates for the origin of cheesemaking range from around 8000 BCE (when sheep were first domesticated) to around 3000 BCE. The first cheese may have been made by people in the Middle East or by nomadic tribes in Central Asia. Since animal skins and inflated internal organs have, since ancient times, provided storage vessels for a range of foodstuffs, it is probable that the process of cheese making was discovered accidentally by storing milk in a container made from the stomach of an animal, resulting in the milk being turned to curd and whey by the rennet from the stomach. There is a legend with variations about the discovery of cheese by an Arab trader who used this method of storing milk.
Sorry, I had to. But in my personal experience I have only had it come up from SC...
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On June 07 2010 07:04 UmmTheHobo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is.. No, it is not a cheese. It is just early pressure/harass, if it doesn't do any damage you will just be a little behind. A cheese would be GG upon failure.
Lies, earlier i did the old 6 proxy rax / 7 tech / 8 reaper (or something)
sadly the first reaper failed hard but i managed to micro out the second reaper, giving me a few minutes to pull a decent defense/income out of my arse..
i was massively behind but turned this ~2 minute failure into a 20+ minute win...
cheese is good 
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On June 07 2010 11:12 arthur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 07:04 UmmTheHobo wrote:On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is.. No, it is not a cheese. It is just early pressure/harass, if it doesn't do any damage you will just be a little behind. A cheese would be GG upon failure. Lies, earlier i did the old 6 proxy rax / 7 tech / 8 reaper (or something) sadly the first reaper failed hard but i managed to micro out the second reaper, giving me a few minutes to pull a decent defense/income out of my arse.. i was massively behind but turned this ~2 minute failure into a 20+ minute win... cheese is good
Most players would probably call GG if their proxy rax failed, just because of how behind they were.
Also, yeah. Cheese predates SC. The way it was explained to me originially is that "Cheesy" play is a play that is "delicious and full of holes" (iirc). It's something that will work well if done right and unexpected (thus the deliciousness) and will be easily countered and put you in a clearly losing position if the opponent is ready (thus the "full of holes" bit.)
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On June 07 2010 11:20 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 11:12 arthur wrote:On June 07 2010 07:04 UmmTheHobo wrote:On June 07 2010 06:57 Powster wrote:
Is a chronoboosted 10 gate/12 gate push a cheese build..? I dont think it is but I own loads of zergs with it so maybe it is.. No, it is not a cheese. It is just early pressure/harass, if it doesn't do any damage you will just be a little behind. A cheese would be GG upon failure. Lies, earlier i did the old 6 proxy rax / 7 tech / 8 reaper (or something) sadly the first reaper failed hard but i managed to micro out the second reaper, giving me a few minutes to pull a decent defense/income out of my arse.. i was massively behind but turned this ~2 minute failure into a 20+ minute win... cheese is good Most players would probably call GG if their proxy rax failed, just because of how behind they were. Also, yeah. Cheese predates SC. The way it was explained to me originially is that "Cheesy" play is a play that is "delicious and full of holes" (iirc). It's something that will work well if done right and unexpected (thus the deliciousness) and will be easily countered and put you in a clearly losing position if the opponent is ready (thus the "full of holes" bit.)
A better comparison for starcraft cheese (in my opinion..), would be to cheesy chat-up lines as opposed to actual cheese...
Lets say "If I could rearrange the alphabet I'd put U and I together" is a real life 5pool.
Guys say this stuff to women because theres always a small chance that they will get lucky and it will work.
Same with starcraft. 5pool should never work, and almost never does, but occasionally, you'll get lucky, pick off a nice handful of workers or something and get yourself a fast GG.
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On June 07 2010 08:52 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
cheese = cheap and easy. cheesy.
pretty much applies to most of the cheese rushes since they a) often mean a easy win and b) often require very little control or even skill outside of timings.
this, the term has been around since the early 90s or 80s at least. Kids used to say it all the time at the arcade when u massed hadoukens.
Also, Cheese often comes with wine. which sounds like whine :D
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