How to fix TvZ Mech - Page 20

On June 03 2010 18:57 Thor Change wrote:
Actually I really think, there is nothing wrong with tanks in TvZ. They basically serve the same purpose lilk they did in SC1. In large numbers tanks make it hard for the Zerg Player to just build Hydras and Roaches and force him to counter them with Mutas. In my opinon these counterunits are one of the main reasons why SC1 and SC2 make so much fun to play. You can always adapt and you can always force the enemy to adapt to your units and switch to another unit composition again.
In SC2 there is only one problem: Thors
And no, I don't think Thors are overpowerd. I just think they take away some of the fun and some of the potential the TvZ matchup has to offer.
In my opinion the way Thors work right now, completely takes away the speed and micro involved in the game. Because of the Splashdamage Thors are more than just a counter to Mutas. They make it basically impossible to use the Mutas for harassing purposes and therfore slow down the speed of the game, especially because they are so fast to get.
In SC1 Terran Players would tech to science vessels, which would take longer than it does getting Thors in SC2. These Vessels were really strong against Mutas in SC1, but they had to use energy for there irradiate. Thors once build, are the perfect counter to Mutas, and therefore leave almost no space for harassment what so ever.
In know this isn't SC1 and SC2 is a new game. Like I sad at the beginning I donnot even think mech is overpowerd, I just think changing the Thor a little bit would make this great game even better.
Here are some Ideas:

1. Give the Thor unit energy but just for its splash attack. Maybe giving it a charging animation just like the Battlecruiser in SC1 before it was shooting its Yamato Gun. This could be quite short, but this way a skilled SC Player could save some of his Mutas. The animation is optional.

2. Give the Thor unit a siege mode. Just like the tank but in its siege mode it can only attack air units, while in its normal mode just being able to attack ground units. The thor wouldn't be abel to move while beeing in siege mode. Therefore the terran player needs to build more thors to cover its base, if he doesn't want to build turrets or marines. But moving around would make it vulnurable.

2.b. Just like 2. but the siege mode lets the thor use his splash damage attack, while the unsieged mode would allow the thor to do normal damage to ground and air units.

Important in all variations is, that there is a way for Zerg Players to use there Mutas again. Not only would this add some more micro to the matchup but it would also make it a little bit more aggressive.

I wanted to open my own thread about this for a long time, but could not figger out how to do it.
I hope my post is understandable, as english is not my native language.

And again SC2 is a great game already!!!

Question vs mech do you play long macro games or go for timing attacks? This thread was intended to be about the fact that vs mech you can't macro you have to break the terran earlier and for many of the macro players like Sheth or Idra this means they are forced to play out of their chosen playstyle. Forcing the zerg player into one strategy of trying to break a timing window is not an acceptable level of balance because it means the terran player knows its coming and are frequently able to abuse defensiveness. In the Steppes game qxc left half his tanks at home and Sheth still could not kill his tanks with that many vikings and ravens on the field it was nearly impossible for him to get any air especially with excellent sensor tower usage and the slow speed of broodlords.

As it stands right now TvZ with mech the zerg has to play 100% no mistakes while the terran is able to make many many man small to medium mistakes and still win in many instances. This does not sit right with me as balanced at all.