EPTWill you buy SC2 in it's current state?
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Deleted User 61629
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Ryan22
Canada84 Posts
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sith
United States2474 Posts
I Would Not Buy It. | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? | ||
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Renaissance
Canada273 Posts
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Myst-
United States96 Posts
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Qwerty.
United States292 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Have to at least try out the retail mulitplayer, but my hopes are low. | ||
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
That being said, i wont vote in this poll, yet  But really its a shame to have such a great game having to suffer from the bnet2.0. I really wish they sat down and discussed things about current situation and figured out to fix it. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
EDIT: But its obviously not going to be as good as it will when it officially comes out. Probably for a discounted price, wink wink | ||
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tarsier
United Kingdom223 Posts
the balance is gonna be fixed for as long as it needs fixing. right now the races are balanced quite well, but zerg has a serious problem with the anti-roach protests etc. not buying sc2 because of bnet is like not buying a valve game just because steam doesn't have chat rooms. in the old days we used to use an irc client to chat, and use the game to actually play a game. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? This is a place for Starcraft: BW before it had a section for SC2. There's plenty of people who contribute to the community in non-Starcraft related things. It would probably be inappropriate for him toask people to boycott SC2, but there's no reason why he could not. you would have to kick everyone who doesn't do all of: SC:BW, SC2, and watch progaming... =\ Like I'm not saying this is a good thread, but I think the attack is unwarranted. | ||
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ErOs_HalO
United States167 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:10 tarsier wrote: not buying sc2 because of bnet is like not buying a valve game just because steam doesn't have chat rooms. in the old days we used to use an irc client to chat, and use the game to actually play a game. This isn't fucking Valve. This is the SC franchize. and SC HAS CHAT ROOMS. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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futoM4ki
Germany73 Posts
I waited for this game for sooooooo long. Even if Franky laughs at me, like he does, I still HAVE TO buy it. There is no alternativ to this game and there won´t be in the next 5 years. That´s how it is and that is Blizz knows it is. Suck it & buy it -.- | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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virusak
Czech Republic344 Posts
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
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tarsier
United Kingdom223 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:11 ErOs_HalO wrote: This isn't fucking Valve. This is the SC franchize. and SC HAS CHAT ROOMS. soooo you want a TV DVD PLAYER COMBO instead of a seperate TV and a DVD player of higher quality? irc will always be better than in-game chat. the main problem with the new battle.net is that (as far as i know) you can't make a custom game and invite a player from a different server. this will be a huge problem in high level play, tournaments etc. does everyone have to buy the game 3 times to play on different servers? but a problem like that is so huge that it's only a matter of time before blizzard look into it. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:14 futoM4ki wrote: Oh, come on. Is this even for me to decide? I waited for this game for sooooooo long. Even if Franky laughs at me, like he does, I still HAVE TO buy it. There is no alternativ to this game and there won´t be in the next 5 years. That´s how it is and that is Blizz knows it is. Suck it & buy it -.- Idd. I waited 12 years for this game and I really don't care if I can't connect to Asia or US or have chat channels... Still better RTS game than any other out there | ||
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Toun
Sweden59 Posts
Sure I'm not happy with the current state of MP but at the end of the day I just can't be arsed to cancel my order, | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
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Darpinion
United States210 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? +1 | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:15 Mastermind wrote: I have been waiting 11 years to find out the next chapter in the Starcraft storyline That's what youtube and wikipedia and spoiler threads are for. That's what I did with Deus Ex 2. I never did play that one, despite Deus Ex 1 being my favorite singleplayer game ever. | ||
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
I find the multiplayer part of sc2 like a chore, I'll continue playing BW instead. | ||
Empyrean
16982 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:22 MamiyaOtaru wrote: That's what youtube and wikipedia are for. That's what I did with Deus Ex 2. I never did play that one, despite Deus Ex 1 being my favorite singleplayer game ever. Still, there's something about going through the campaign yourself and fighting your way through the missions that makes the experience so much more satisfying. As it stands, I'll probably buy all three games just to finish the campaigns and maybe play some UMS on and off if some of my friends are online. | ||
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slowmanrunning
Canada285 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? You're obviously one of the new people here, who hasn't played broodwar and just jumped on this site for sc2. Team liquid was a broodwar site longer and more dedicatedly than it was ever a sc2 site. That's why the poll is still 50/50. That's why the front page has next to no announcments about starcraft 2. There's been a recent surge in this site due to the sc2 beta, and I'm starting to get sick of how many useless posts newcomers are putting up. Either rage's at blizzard, suggesting random new units that will never work or happen, posting threads about bnet problems, or NEVER reading the forum outlines. These 'contributions' are becoming detrimental to this site. It's not a surprise practically 1 in 10 new threads in the sc2 forum are closed within a day. | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
I am disappoint. Bnet 2.0 isn't that bad at all. :| | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5545 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? This is a fucking BW community, is it not? Not buying it. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:24 Empyrean wrote: Still, there's something about going through the campaign yourself and fighting your way through the missions that makes the experience so much more satisfying. Oh sure, spoiling yourself to avoid having to buy for the story is not for everyone. But *with SC2 as it is now* that's what I'll be doing. I did it once before | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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StukA
United States64 Posts
Frank Pearce: Looks like people will still buy this game even though we made the game shit and I gave that horrible interview. Maybe I should have let you do that interview instead. Dustin Browder: I told you I should do all the interviews. I'm like Ali in dodging questions regarding how bad our game is. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
Bottom line is, even without the preorder I'd most likely still be at the store on release day, plunking my cash on the counter. | ||
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
You're not cool. you've never been cool. Stop trying to be cool. I'll buy it, because regardless I enjoy the gameplay a lot, and am looking forward to UMS. On a side note, I'll continue. Why should game companies care about your opinions if you plan on pirating their game? You'd pirate it no matter what, It's like someone coming into your restaurant and dine and dashing, and then telling you how to improve your cooking for the next time they want to steal from you. | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:28 ghosthunter wrote: Lol, I love people who are like "i'll pirate." You're not cool. you've never been cool. Stop trying to be cool. I'll buy it, because regardless I enjoy the gameplay a lot, and am looking forward to UMS. Someone has some unresolved issues with pirates P.S Fu blizz | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? But the thing is to get it as it is now you will have to pay for three copies of the game... And honestly if beta cost money I would not buy it based on current content. | ||
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peachsncream
United States289 Posts
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
please close | ||
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Empyrean
16982 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:27 deL wrote: I see no incentive to buy the game over simply pirating it. Cancelled the preorder, and even if they fix these issues my eyes have been opened to how they think - I doubt the situation will go anywhere but downhill even if they add chat channels and cross-continental competition now. Advocating piracy for any reason at all, no matter how righteous it may be perceived as, is something that I don't think I'll ever be able to do in good conscience. Blizzard is simply looking to profit the most on its ventures; piracy may seem like the "correct" thing to do, but all it really does it take away from the hard work that teams of developers and coders have put into releasing a game. If anything, boycott the product instead or try to dissuade others from purchasing it, but pirating software simply cheapens the entire experience. | ||
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:29 Toxiferous wrote: Someone has some unresolved issues with pirates P.S Fu blizz I actually more just lol at the immature people who think saying "I pirate!" is a badge of honor. It's really not. My general point is this. Everyone pirates, don't brag about it, it's not really conduscive to anything, and just makes you look like a d-bag. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:28 ghosthunter wrote: Lol, I love people who are like "i'll pirate." You're not cool. you've never been cool. Stop trying to be cool. I'll buy it, because regardless I enjoy the gameplay a lot, and am looking forward to UMS. On a side note, I'll continue. Why should game companies care about your opinions if you plan on pirating their game? You'd pirate it no matter what, It's like someone coming into your restaurant and dine and dashing, and then telling you how to improve your cooking for the next time they want to steal from you. I think the point was, many people are only buying it because of single player, which will be pirate-able (presumably?) because they are screwing up the multiplayer aspect of it, which is the only reason people don't pirate it anyway. Please, please don't pretend otherwise and claim that you'd buy it out of honour or rewarding them for a good game or whatever, especially after you pidgeonholed everyone who mentions piracy as a worthless thief. | ||
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Fugazi
Poland5 Posts
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NIJ
1012 Posts
Ive waited a long time too, but beta actually helped me change my mind. "I needz it NAO" feeling is gone and by that time game will be patched up anyway, so its win win for me. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Empyrean
16982 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:34 NIJ wrote: At its current state, I can seriously wait till it's like 19.99 or 9.99. Ive waited a long time too, but beta actually helped me change my mind. "I needz it NAO" feeling is gone and by that time game will be patched up anyway, so its win win for me. Definitely. There's no rush to get it immediately. The cost will likely go down, and the content can only improve from where it is now. | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
And NIJ is going to be waiting a while, I don't even think the original battlechest is down to 19.99. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
Bnet 2.0 is terrible, but the game is still definitely playable. | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? Yes, I am honestly saying I would not. I don't have a shit-ton of money to spend on gaming, so when I make a gaming choice it's going to be one that will last for a good period of time. As it stands, I see myself getting bored with sc2 very fast (The beta already has me a bit bored) and so, for me, it just isn't worth it. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:22 MamiyaOtaru wrote: That's what youtube and wikipedia and spoiler threads are for. That's what I did with Deus Ex 2. I never did play that one, despite Deus Ex 1 being my favorite singleplayer game ever. what? that is a terrible idea. I want to play the story, not watch someone else play it. | ||
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losso
Bulgaria158 Posts
but people are being way too bitchy about bnet 2.0. the game is what matters the most and it seems like people are forgetting that. yeah it could obviously be better but not playing a game you like just because it doesn't have chat channels n stuff sounds so fucking damn stupid | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:37 eLiE wrote: looks like we have a lot of liars, even though everyone's complaining about everything (there are definitely valid complaints to be made), the majority of people are still going to buy the game. And NIJ is going to be waiting a while, I don't even think the original battlechest is down to 19.99. Of course, because it's on battle.net 1.0  Also the competitive scene has kept it alive and in demand even now.On May 29 2010 16:40 Ramsing wrote: Yes, I am honestly saying I would not. I don't have a shit-ton of money to spend on gaming, so when I make a gaming choice it's going to be one that will last for a good period of time. As it stands, I see myself getting bored with sc2 very fast (The beta already has me a bit bored) and so, for me, it just isn't worth it. I'm in the same boat as this guy. | ||
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Doughboy
United States721 Posts
Frenzy can now be applied to enemy units to make them think they're zerglings. They begin to claw at their allied units and buildings with their hands in a praying mantis fashion (like a zergling) for 2 damage for a 30 second time period. Ultralisks now only have 1 tusk that inflicts 20 damage on themselvesfor every 5 damage they inflict on any target. Scvs can use the Force - Reasearched at Jedi Academy for 25/50 Overlords can now morph into infested Chuck Norris. Requires 9001/9001 and a Greater Spire Siege tanks can now move while sieged. They can now also attack air. Pretty good balance IMO. I'd pay $60 for that. | ||
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ChaosShadow
United States79 Posts
Does SC2 have issues that need to be addressed? Yes. Will Blizzard address them? Probably. Do i have fun playing SC2? Yes. People who won't buy it, won't buy it; unlike them, I'll be enjoying a well made game, because past all the Bnet2.0 complaints, SC2 is still a very good game. And with the single player mode and as more and better custom maps come out, I'm sure that i will enjoy playing SC2 even more. So... Will I buy SC2? Yes. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:34 Fugazi wrote: I am sure 99% people who voted NO will buy it. Also BN 2.0 is pretty good, now at least I spend all of my time playing instead of searching for game, party and new friends are cool too. But that is from casual point of view, improvements for, face it, less needed features will come in time. casuals come and casuals go. This is a site about people who still played/watched BW a decade after it came out. Those less needed features matter to a group that might otherwise still be around after most of the casuals are gone. But by all means, vote yes And yeah, I wish people would vote honestly (I did: no). It's going to end up like this: ![[image loading]](http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3253/1258048783080.jpg) | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
If I were even in the middle Tier of SC1 players (C-??) I would play it. But I'm having so much less frustration playing SC2... it's been more fun. But I think BroodWar is a better game, thus far. By a fairly substantial margin. Just other people got so GOOD at it- very frustrating. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5545 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:34 Fugazi wrote: I am sure 99% people who voted NO will buy it. Also BN 2.0 is pretty good, now at least I spend all of my time playing instead of searching for game, party and new friends are cool too. But that is from casual point of view, improvements for, face it, less needed features will come in time. No, I won't. I'm sure most people who voted 'no' won't either. I stopped playing beta for the same reasons like two or more weeks ago and it's free. Are you calling FB integration and achievements more important? BNet 2 pretty good? Lacking all essential features? | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
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opticalza
New Zealand188 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
SC1 had several patches after being released, the game got better and better after every patch, so I would definitely buy it and then wait for patches in the near future if needed. What can I say, I Love The Game. + Show Spoiler + Already pre-order it to get my beta and I payed for the Collectors Edition  | ||
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NIJ
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On May 29 2010 16:37 eLiE wrote: looks like we have a lot of liars, even though everyone's complaining about everything (there are definitely valid complaints to be made), the majority of people are still going to buy the game. And NIJ is going to be waiting a while, I don't even think the original battlechest is down to 19.99. I can wait 10 years if it take them that long to fix it. I can also pirate SP if I am curious. I just don't see the point of clinging to this game when its clearly not meeting my expectations. If I need a competitive fix, there's always other genres for me. Fighting games like SSF4 and T6, Quake live or chess online. And yes, I can still play BW. And to imply boycotting would mean I am trying to put an effort to not buy a game. Which is why people who try are such fail. Im merely saying I dont want to buy it at this state. | ||
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BishopONe
Spain242 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Blizzard is really tearing me a new one with all that garbage they're pulling off, but I need this game... perhaps I'll find myself playing only the single player and then I'll throw into the dusty pile alongside the rest of the shitty games I've had the misfortune to waste hard-earned money on..... Guess I'm bound to make bad decisions. With some luck they'll miraculously get their act together and it won't turn out to be that much of a waste of my money. I like to think that at the very least I'll get a better-than-average single player experience... Which certainly isn't worth anywhere close to $60. Multiplayer is going to be a decent game built on top of a joke that is Battle.net 2.0.... Won't cut it for me, which is good for them. They'll have my cash and I won't clog their server. A good analogy would be this: Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the host. | ||
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potatomash3r
Australia417 Posts
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Sparkxxx
United States14 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:14 futoM4ki wrote: Oh, come on. Is this even for me to decide? I waited for this game for sooooooo long. Even if Franky laughs at me, like he does, I still HAVE TO buy it. There is no alternativ to this game and there won´t be in the next 5 years. That´s how it is and that is Blizz knows it is. Suck it & buy it -.- qft | ||
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virusak
Czech Republic344 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:52 Sparkxxx wrote: Are you serious? How long did they take to perfect BW? literally a decade, you need to give Blizzard time and in its current state, it looks just fine yes it took time, but now, they already have lots of feedback on bnet and could easily move forward now | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:53 fight_or_flight wrote: Why wouldn't people just pirate it to play single player, since the only reason to buy it is for online play, the value of which they've destroyed? Are you seriously condoning piracy? | ||
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piny
United States19 Posts
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silverwind
Canada40 Posts
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Prawnstar
United States14 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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nate_river
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EnderSC
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Hypothetically....... Maybe =OOOO | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
I'm not condoning piracy because the "community is unhappy", I'm just making a business argument about the statistical odds of people buying the game, which is the topic of this thread. I won't buy it or play it at all personally. | ||
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Mentos
United Kingdom203 Posts
also, people who vote no are kidding themselves. | ||
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Omar91
Angola620 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On May 29 2010 17:03 Mentos wrote: also, people who vote no are kidding themselves. The qualifier is "in its current state". Blizzard could of course change the things people don't like in an expansion. | ||
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Orangu
Canada198 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
b.net 2.0 is a failure as it is, the game is not balanced and there are many things about this game which make me sick If they don t make serious changes i wont buy it | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
The thing is, is that this community is older than the average gaming community, and therefore our time is more valuable. Frankly, we don't have time for stupidity. $60 isn't really that much to a lot of people here. | ||
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kevin349
United States68 Posts
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Joseki
United States200 Posts
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Synk
United States297 Posts
Having everyone around the world play on different servers and forcing them to buy seperate sc2 accounts is pretty stupid, I can't really defend it. It feels like the hand holding design most games take nowadays, instead of just letting people pick what server they want to log into blizz is assuming their average player will be too stupid(blizz likes to market to 8 yr olds) to pick the server they really want and it might result in a "poor customer experience" so they are trying to eliminate that. Maybe thats a realistic thing to shoot for to have them change, but I cannot deny I'm feeling like they really don't listen or just don't care about the community much. Personally I believe Blizzard designs things based on statistics they pull out of their system, it explains a lot of the random seeming changes they like to make ( in all their games ). Also explains why they have such huge beta test, to get larger sample sizes. But that results in the race that simply "isn't that fun" being buffed to holy hell because no-one wants to play it, but blizzard wants their stats to line up properly so they buff and buff until people play a race they don't even want to play ( or a class ). edit: I'm still buying sc2. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
I'm going to feel very violated and abused by Blizzard, but that's not going to stop me from buying it. StarCraft. 2. Fortunately, if Battle.net 2.0 ruins SC2, we still have two more opportunities to give Blizzard the finger and not buy their expansions. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On May 29 2010 17:22 Kanil wrote: I'm going to buy it. It's fuckin' StarCraft 2. Of course I'm going to buy it. I'm going to feel very violated and abused by Blizzard, but that's not going to stop me from buying it. StarCraft. 2. Fortunately, if Battle.net 2.0 ruins SC2, we still have two more opportunities to give Blizzard the finger and not buy their expansions. I feel the same but unfortunately, that's allowing Blizzard to screw around with us even more. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
The Marines have one commander who can put down "machines" like extractors, machine gun and siege cannon turrets and issue commands to his Marines (other players). He also drops down better weapons and all is paid for by resources. For the Aliens it is different, because they can mutate into different forms and one of them is a builder, who can drop the resource gatherers and some support turrets. There are also Zergling-like small ones, Mutalisk-like flyers (although they look like plucked chicken somewhat) and even scary Ultralisk-like Elephants ... As far as it goes it is a neat alternative and has been around for some years. | ||
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RoMarX
Argentina189 Posts
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
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Fts
Sweden369 Posts
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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scrdmnttr
United States96 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? Exactly. These people are lying. It's become a political issue for them, and they're willing to take their ideas far beyond the realm of logic or reason. In the end though, they'll buy the game, as will I. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
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haggard312
United States3 Posts
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 Ryan22 wrote: Im not in any rush to be honest. The game feels to imba terran> everything. hahahahaha | ||
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Jalex
United Kingdom35 Posts
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Jdanzi
England78 Posts
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:24 haggard312 wrote: This pretty much sums up this entire thread. Good first post. | ||
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Ai52487963
United Kingdom136 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:24 haggard312 wrote: This pretty much sums up this entire thread. That doesn't say how many are playing from a torrent. On topic, I'd buy it, but only to play with my housemates. I'm moving to England for graduate study for a year and if I stay there for my phd, then I guess I'd have to buy the Euro copies and say goodbye to playing with my US friends in SC2. | ||
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Hasire
United States125 Posts
I doubt I'll have the money for game+expansionsx3 for a while, so I'll just give up on any tourny-dreams I may of had. Although since we know lag isn't really an issue, TL could just say 'If you want to be in our tournies, buy this version', and we could skip the whole mess entirely. | ||
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Gapato
France43 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote: I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS. This. Fuck multiplayer and its continent divisions. Im not spending 180$ to play across the world. | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
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Smu
Serbia164 Posts
The thing is I really have a problem with no LAN and no real LAN latency on the new Bnet. How come Blizzard doesn't provide what private servers like WGtour and Iccup have done for years already? I just can't stand playing with lag. I will buy the game eventually when and if it gets jailbroken and fixed. I like the gameplay of SC2 but technical problems are huge. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:24 haggard312 wrote: This pretty much sums up this entire thread. See the bottom of page 3  I hate it how the last post on a page disappears into the ether. Still a true pic though, I'm obviously in agreement.And for someone who wondered how many of those guys might be playing a torrented version: for shame. If you are boycotting you just don't play. If you can't do without, you give the devs recompense for their work, or else your message is "I hate some things you've done but love others so much that I will be a thief." The message needs to be "I hate some things you've done so much they outweigh the good stuff and I am avoiding this (for now)". | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
- Starcraft 2 is great game - no cross realm sucks for professional level, but I wanna be a regular player just having fun :X - no chat rooms are like the biggest annoyance for me, although I believe there will be other options (possibly inferior) to communicate which should be sufficient for me - global rankings -- I don't care that much to be honest. Not having global ranking isn't going to effect me too much - as much as having no LAN pisses me off and will probably affect me the most it's nothing crucial for me ------------ I'm not happy about what Blizzard is doing but there are going to be more players like me..even more who won't be mad at all. I'm just interested what's up with them creating this super e-sports game when they are actually making it harder.. | ||
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frantic.cactus
New Zealand164 Posts
Pre-ordered as soon as I could and now i'm eagerly awaiting July 27th. Sad to hear all the hate for a really sweet game that is alot of fun to play. I'll defiantly buy the expansions too. I love Sc2 | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:57 Inori wrote: There's no need for a long wall of text on why do I think bnet 2.0 is a lackluster and game still has a lot of balancing issues, because, well, it's all over the place. What I do want to talk about is how Blizzard doesn't give a damn about all of this. Just read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014 interview. Look at his replies: Do these the replies that tell you "we will do anything to please you as a gamer, so please do buy our game!" or do they tell you "we don't care about your opinion, you will buy our game."? And the sad part is that many people (me included up untill now) agree with that. So I've upgraded my PC, I've played beta like madman to learn the game and I kept closing my eyes on Blizzard ignoring community opinion, but right now I'm seriously considering not buying the game. I know it will mean nothing for Blizzard as they will have great marketing and sell tons of copies to casuals, probably even hit some Game of the Year titles, but at least I'll know I did my part in boycotting their attitude. Soo, anyway. 50% of the voting TL pop will not buy it, but I bet you many many more other people outside of competitive e-gaming will gobble this up like a fat kid eating his mothers home cooked jambalaya. | ||
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Perfect Balance
Norway131 Posts
I'm not their cattle. I'd rather play Starcraft or Warcraft 3 than this garbage. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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ChaosSmurf
United Kingdom175 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
Right now it's looking really bad but I have already pre-ordered it and I am not going to cancel. How SC2 goes will greatly effect future purchases (D3/SC2 Expansions) from Blizzard though. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
50 % of the people on _teamliquid_ voting no on whether they will be buying star2. People who one year ago would have bought it essentially no matter what Congratulations blizzard, good job on that one. Also lol at the people refusing to belive that not everyone shares their fashination with buying shitty services. | ||
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Eluadyl
Turkey364 Posts
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:11 Korynne wrote: This is a place for Starcraft: BW before it had a section for SC2. There's plenty of people who contribute to the community in non-Starcraft related things. It would probably be inappropriate for him toask people to boycott SC2, but there's no reason why he could not. you would have to kick everyone who doesn't do all of: SC:BW, SC2, and watch progaming... =\ Like I'm not saying this is a good thread, but I think the attack is unwarranted. TL.net started out as sc bw, I agree. Isn't this the SC2 Beta section though? | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
if you buy sc2 that like saying we dont care what you do or change im going to pay you anyway so you can do anything you want . and why the op only quote about cross realm ? they also removed chat channel and will not add them . in fact if you accept the game right now they will add many more nasty features , like be premium for create ums , pay for watch pro gamer play and im sure they can go more far since they will know they can do anything they want . im fealing like many people just dont understand what blizzard realy do right now and still think : ho that blizzard they are great so let buy the game no matter what . well im NOT BUYING SC2 RIGHT NOW until they fix what everyone want . | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:30 ChaosSmurf wrote: 280 liars in this thread. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote: I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
Then I'll decide again. But I won't buy it at all if the things keep going like they're doing. Oh, and the people that say "for the UMS", haven't you seen the "BNET 2.0 will harm custom games" thread? I was actually going to buy it for the UMS until then. | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
And the sad part is that many people (me included up untill now) agree with that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ many people dont agree with that So I've upgraded my PC, I've played beta like madman to learn the game and I kept closing my eyes on Blizzard ignoring community opinion, but right now I'm seriously considering not buying the game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why say that you dont consider not buying the game ? right after you say you will buy it . you just say the fact so that many people who curently dont know and you want them to think the way you want them to think . like saying you are like them . I know it will mean nothing for Blizzard as they will have great marketing and sell tons of copies to casuals, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- think the other way , every people who dont buy the game mean something , seriously this one was funny , you are trying to make everyone think we can do nothing anyway ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- probably even hit some Game of the Year titles, but at least I'll know I did my part in boycotting their attitude. you have boycot nothing here , btw you can ask blizzard to hire me ? | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:52 Paramore wrote: Nobody is asking you to buy 3 or 9 copies of this to play cross-realm... but if you think u aren't going to buy the first copy then you are sadly mistaken and its only a matter of time. If you don't, then yeah, my bad, I said before that you weren't part of this community. You are part of teamliquid. However, this is SC2 beta section and if you have nothing productive to contribute except for posting a big sign that says "I'm going to boycott" then you should just leave and not come back since the SC2 beta or eventually SC2 section will no longer give you any meaningful experience. Yea because customers voicing their oppinions on what kind of services they would and would not like to buy is completly pointless and destructive, especially in a free market based society. Wait. What? | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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UbiNax
Denmark381 Posts
Aka realm restrictions | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
this game has been anticipated for 10 years... | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:52 Paramore wrote: Nobody is asking you to buy 3 or 9 copies of this to play cross-realm... but if you think u aren't going to buy the first copy then you are sadly mistaken and its only a matter of time. If you don't, then yeah, my bad, I said before that you weren't part of this community. You are part of teamliquid. However, this is SC2 beta section and if you have nothing productive to contribute except for posting a big sign that says "I'm going to boycott" then you should just leave and not come back since the SC2 beta or eventually SC2 section will no longer give you any meaningful experience. that people like you who should leave honestly . and im fealing the people who dont buy the game are more part of the community that you . since they remember sc1 and played for many years . they dont accept everything . im fact that something more hard to do that just buy the game . | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? tl is a sc e-sport community | ||
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Tigi
Germany472 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:32 Dommk wrote: This poll is about as useful as that steam group that 'boycotted' modern warfare 2... If that's the case we should do it since Call of Duty:Black Ops is getting dedicated servers. So if they hear your voice the first time and can't fix it they might do it the second time they get the chance, Heart of Swarm. But yeah boycotting in general doesn't have a big impact besides letting your voice be heard again. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
Will I buy Starcraft 2 in its current state or in the future: NO I'm not their cattle. I'd rather play Starcraft than this garbage. why should I settle for an inferior game on every aspect (except graphics) Also lol at the people refusing to belive that not everyone shares their fashination with buying shitty services. look I understand some of you come from FPS or worse RTS and are thinking SC2 is the best game evar and everyone must buy it, but really, we are a community of Brood War players and have played BW for 12 years. We don't need a worse sequel when we already have near perfection on strategic and mechanical field so it is actually true half of TL will not buy SC2 for the good reason that Blizzard is treating us like shit and no I am not lying, I will play SC:BW likeI never heard of SC2 and will be perectly happy and can spend my 60$ on something else | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
I wonder if Paramore has even played BW for more than a few games (if even that). | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
its easy on release-date sit back and look what sc2 have and what not. than decide for you own: do i want the game or not for the price. im not sure but i think when they dont change anything i dont buy it. so perhaps i will look again 3 month later and buy it than, perhaps i just finish this and move on to other games or back to bw. lets see. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:45 swanized wrote: look I understand some of you come from FPS or worse RTS and are thinking SC2 is the best game evar and everyone must buy it, but really, we are a community of Brood War players and have played BW for 12 years. We don't need a worse sequel when we already have near perfection on strategic and mechanical field so it is actually true half of TL will not buy SC2 for the good reason that Blizzard is treating us like shit and no I am not lying, I will play SC:BW likeI never heard of SC2 and will be perectly happy and can spend my 60$ on something else This. I was never obsessed about SC2 as I wasn't convinced that it will be better then SC:BW, why people are obsessed with the new shit anyway? I only care what is better not when it was released. On May 29 2010 20:00 Oddysay wrote: just quoted some thing the op say and reply . And the sad part is that many people (me included up untill now) agree with that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ many people dont agree with that So I've upgraded my PC, I've played beta like madman to learn the game and I kept closing my eyes on Blizzard ignoring community opinion, but right now I'm seriously considering not buying the game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why say that you dont consider not buying the game ? right after you say you will buy it . you just say the fact so that many people who curently dont know and you want them to think the way you want them to think . like saying you are like them . I know it will mean nothing for Blizzard as they will have great marketing and sell tons of copies to casuals, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- think the other way , every people who dont buy the game mean something , seriously this one was funny , you are trying to make everyone think we can do nothing anyway ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- probably even hit some Game of the Year titles, but at least I'll know I did my part in boycotting their attitude. you have boycot nothing here , btw you can ask blizzard to hire me ? Using the quote function is so 2002. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1762 Posts
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Tristan
Canada566 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:05 spinesheath wrote: Will buy it, but I am not half as happy about it as I could be. this | ||
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
Nontheless I will buy SC2, cause it's the best RTS game there is atm, besides SC1 but the sad thing is that SC1 is just to hard right now for newcommers and will probally only be harder once SC2 will be released since only the diehards will remain. That's what so sad about it, SC2 in my humble oppinion is REALLY good but Battlenet 2.0 is just horrid! | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:10 tarsier wrote: why are you trying to stirr s*** ? the balance is gonna be fixed for as long as it needs fixing. right now the races are balanced quite well, but zerg has a serious problem with the anti-roach protests etc. not buying sc2 because of bnet is like not buying a valve game just because steam doesn't have chat rooms. in the old days we used to use an irc client to chat, and use the game to actually play a game. steam does have chat rooms. | ||
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Azalie
New Zealand117 Posts
Never know might get lucky and they could read more stuff here on tl and actually fix/add stuff people want, can only but hope. | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:47 Squeegy wrote: I wonder if Paramore has even played BW for more than a few games (if even that). I've played hundreds of BW games... iccup as well.. my statement was meant to make aware that useless threads like these do nothing and imply that people that boycott the game most of the time don't actually boycott it. Go ahead though, don't buy it, see if I care. There are better ways to "protest" than threatening to not buy a game. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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Qiin
Australia102 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:15 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: not gonna buy it anyway, i dont see how they are gonna fix this mess. yeah, if they will fix anything it will be in the xpac. Maybe ill get it then? or maybe now XD | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:08 Paramore wrote: I've played hundreds of BW games... iccup as well.. my statement was meant to make aware that useless threads like these do nothing and imply that people that boycott the game most of the time don't actually boycott it. Go ahead though, don't buy it, see if I care. There are better ways to "protest" than threatening to not buy a game. Such as? | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
Posting on feedback forum really does help. Look at the thread right now titled "small ray of hope" that talks about how chat will probably be implemented later for clans and groups... Posting a thread here that is constructive on sites like team liquid help. Not boycott petitions, these type of threads are trash. Playing the game and sending crash reports and reporting exact situations on how game crashes. This is an example of how to help build a more stable crash-free game. Not necessarily talking about the exact functions you want. Cross-realm play was also mentioned to be a goal to be implemented in the future. Even though its low priority, at least they are already planning on doing it. Have fun playing sc1 while most of us play sc2 though. I am sure you won't be missed since there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people in each region to play against. . . | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:45 swanized wrote: why should I settle for an inferior game on every aspect (except graphics) look I understand some of you come from FPS or worse RTS and are thinking SC2 is the best game evar and everyone must buy it, but really, we are a community of Brood War players and have played BW for 12 years. We don't need a worse sequel when we already have near perfection on strategic and mechanical field so it is actually true half of TL will not buy SC2 for the good reason that Blizzard is treating us like shit and no I am not lying, I will play SC:BW likeI never heard of SC2 and will be perectly happy and can spend my 60$ on something else This, and LOL at you people comparing TL to Modern Warfare kids. We have played broodwar for 12 years and ignored every other RTS released, you think sc2 is going to be any different just because it has the name 'starcraft' in it? I am not buying it until they fix all their fucking problems or until the community fixes it for them. Besdies if I want the full sc2 experience I was planning on buying a new comp ($600-$800) + the game($60). Just think of all the money I can save | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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Kegs.aus
Australia133 Posts
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Kletus
Canada580 Posts
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
It has problems, it's in Beta and Battle.net 2.0 is stupid, but its Starcraft 2 and if you are interested enough to be on this forum, posting in this thread you are obviously buying the damn game, you aren't fooling anyone. | ||
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:33 Paramore wrote: Posting on feedback forum really does help. Look at the thread right now titled "small ray of hope" that talks about how chat will probably be implemented later for clans and groups... Posting a thread here that is constructive on sites like team liquid help. Not boycott petitions, these type of threads are trash. Playing the game and sending crash reports and reporting exact situations on how game crashes. This is an example of how to help build a more stable crash-free game. Not necessarily talking about the exact functions you want. Cross-realm play was also mentioned to be a goal to be implemented in the future. Even though its low priority, at least they are already planning on doing it. Have fun playing sc1 while most of us play sc2 though. I am sure you won't be missed since there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people in each region to play against. . . We have been doing that the past month and what is blizzard's attitude? 'Do you really want chat channels?' What else can we do after knowing that they don't listen to a word we say and only care about their pockets? And obviously, you are not planning on being a competitive player. Well I am not either and that is no problem for me but for competitive players that is a huge must. They basically won't be able to participate in other servers tournament or cross server tournaments unless they buy 3 copies of the game. Also, since the metagame in each server is different it is impossible to play at the highest level without practicing cross-realm. This highlights the problem better than I can explain it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128027 | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened? - Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server - Changing servers - Faction change - Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch) - Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion) These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have). Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions? Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended! | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:46 Clearout wrote: I think a lot of people are overreacting here. "OMG I have to buy 9 clients to play professionally? Noes!" I mean what is that? How many of you are playing "professionally"? I know TL has a LOT of good players who will compete and play professionally, but I seriously dont think this will affect many others then perhaps the top 200 people. And I see this as clearly a problem for them, but the rest of us will never play professionally, yet we keep whining as if we all will have to buy tons of games to play. They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened? - Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server - Changing servers - Faction change - Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch) - Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion) These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have). Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions? Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended! No, it is not a problem only for those who want to play competitively. There are also people who have friends in other regions of the world and with whom they want to be able to casually play a game with. | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:38 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this post shows just how badly Blizzard failed. Almost 50% no on a forum that pretty much should be filled with SC/Blizzard fanboys who defend all of Blizzard's actions at every turn(which has happened). That's just insanely bad. Blizzard dont fail... They expect 12 millons people that gonna buy the game. If only 10 thousand (in best of cases and probably dreaming alot) saying that dont gonna buy the game is not so big for Blizzard. What for me is sad is that the gamers that true lovely BW, Blizzard ignore us, just because they want more profit insteand of speding a litle more to make b.net 2.0 a better place. The only away to make Blizzard change is mind is making the other gamers, from wc3, wow, diablo, c&c and other gamers, act "against" this bullshit that blizzard is doing. And that is almost impossible..... Money > WE | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
There are some major (really major) issues with Bnet 2.0, but they are not enough to keep me from having lots of fun with the game. And I have never been interested in boycotting stuff on sheer principle. | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:45 Nemesis wrote: We have been doing that the past month and what is blizzard's attitude? 'Do you really want chat channels?' What else can we do after knowing that they don't listen to a word we say and only care about their pockets? And obviously, you are not planning on being a competitive player. Well I am not either and that is no problem for me but for competitive players that is a huge must. They basically won't be able to participate in other servers tournament or cross server tournaments unless they buy 3 copies of the game. Also, since the metagame in each server is different it is impossible to play at the highest level without practicing cross-realm. This highlights the problem better than I can explain it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128027 Your post is flawed for so many reasons already. 1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing. 2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will. 3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true. I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:46 Clearout wrote: I think a lot of people are overreacting here. "OMG I have to buy 9 clients to play professionally? Noes!" I mean what is that? How many of you are playing "professionally"? I know TL has a LOT of good players who will compete and play professionally, but I seriously dont think this will affect many others then perhaps the top 200 people. And I see this as clearly a problem for them, but the rest of us will never play professionally, yet we keep whining as if we all will have to buy tons of games to play. They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened? - Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server - Changing servers - Faction change - Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch) - Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion) These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have). Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions? Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended! you need to pay for change server and most of the thing you listed , and seriously just... just... go back to wow ( yeah i have say that ) | ||
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phrixus
China143 Posts
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:38 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this post shows just how badly Blizzard failed. Almost 50% no on a forum that pretty much should be filled with SC/Blizzard fanboys who defend all of Blizzard's actions at every turn(which has happened). That's just insanely bad. 50% are lying to make a point. They are upset, they think telling Blizzard they won't be buying the game will change Blizzards mind. If you care enough to make a passionate post about it then you are obviously buying the game. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
just because you accept everything dont mean everyone like you k ? | ||
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commanderchobo
Canada53 Posts
with all the crap blizz has spewed lately. DO YOU REALLY WANT CHAT ROOMS? YES I DO STUPID not worth 60 bucks. ill pirate the game for single player tho | ||
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Ryhn
United States509 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:00 Opinion wrote: 50% are lying to make a point. They are upset, they think telling Blizzard they won't be buying the game will change Blizzards mind. If you care enough to make a passionate post about it then you are obviously buying the game. Your logic is a little shaky there. I've made numerous posts about my discontent, and will in fact not be buying SC2. Your logic applied says, "If I hate a game, but care enough to say how much I hate it in hopes of the product improving, I'm surely going to buy it anyways even if nothing changes." What. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
BNET 2.0 however is TERRIBLE. It hurts my soul to see how bad blizzard was at designing it, apparently the fired every1 who worked on wc3. The single player should still be fun, its pitiful that I have to log on to bnet2.0 though and see that monstrosity every time I want to play. | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
Flame me all you want but I'm not paying for a sandboxed and segregationist system encouraging corporate greed and programmer laziness over community enjoyment of a product. | ||
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:03 Oddysay wrote: many people care and post here and will not buy the game . just because you accept everything dont mean everyone like you k ? It's just historical evidence of boycotts is setting off my BS detector. Oh, and following any Blizzard game in development. this happens 100% of the time. Blizzard strays from the path, the community claims they are boycotting, they don't boycott, and the vocal community eventually gets their way anyway. At this point having 10,000 players refrain from playing will do absolutely nothing. BUT, having those 10,000 buy the game and then constantly, with out letting up put pressure on Blizzard, post numerous times, make constant videos and rally the players to make these changes it will actually make a difference and Blizzard will eventually give in. Pretend you won't buy it, it makes you look cool on TL forums and there is no shame in wanting to look cool and jaded, it is a common desire on the internet to look all hardcore, but its all BS and you know it. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:52 Paramore wrote: Your post is flawed for so many reasons already. 1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing. 2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will. 3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true. I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either. So, suppose we make thoughtful posts about this issue on BNET forums. Do you think Blizzard will change their minds? If yes, what reason do you have to think they will? If not, why shouldn't we continue what we are doing here? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:52 Paramore wrote: Your post is flawed for so many reasons already. 1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing. 2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will. 3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true. Yes, they hear us but they're not listening to us. Hearing and listening is different. I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either. I don't mind waiting another 6 months IF they really plan to introduce chat channels and listen to whatever else the community is pointing out to them. Until then I won't buy the game. How well do you think you're going to do against people who have had experience from other servers? If you really want to understand the advantage of competitiveness in cross server play, just think of it like this: You practice against the same person all the time. You beat him with your new build that no one has used before and he can't seem to find a way to beat it. Then you play in a tournament and you got owned badly by people who practiced against people of different servers where that strategy you 'invented' has been figured out by them and countered a long time ago(that is why no one uses it) but of course you did not know that as you have no access to the other servers. Edit: Also don't kid yourself with winning cash tournaments. Only the top 0.00000001% make money by winning cash tournaments. | ||
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myfriendPlank
United States550 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote: I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS. This man sums it up nicely. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3357 Posts
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:00 Opinion wrote: 50% are lying to make a point. They are upset, they think telling Blizzard they won't be buying the game will change Blizzards mind. If you care enough to make a passionate post about it then you are obviously buying the game. im not lying, i will not buy it. Im on TL for BW updates primarily | ||
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Ryhn
United States509 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:15 rotinegg wrote: im not lying, i will not buy it. Im on TL for BW updates primarily This. I still play BW every day and don't plan on stopping any time soon. | ||
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:01 Renaissance wrote: People will still buy it. I'm just hoping that if Blizzard doesn't fix Bnet 2.0, someone will design their own server and client that everyone will use instead. Best of all, we'll all donate money to the programmer to live rich somewhere off shore so Blizzard can't sue. Teamliquid is a SC:BW community and that is the game I am playing and will continue to play. I will not rush to the store to buy SC2 but will proably buy it a few months down the road when they have worked out the worst kinks. | ||
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:15 rotinegg wrote: im not lying, i will not buy it. Im on TL for BW updates primarily I believe you. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:54 Oddysay wrote: you need to pay for change server and most of the thing you listed , and seriously just... just... go back to wow ( yeah i have say that ) The sentiment is still there, my examples are things they said they would never incorporate. The things we want will come in one way or another, because if it is one thing Blizzard does well is follow up on their games. I am just criticizing the "sky is falling" attitude. Telling me to go back to WoW is just childish, I've been playing starcraft since 2001 and play SC2 everyday, aswell as I play WoW. Does that make my opinion flawed? Im just saying take a look at the other game they have had "mild" success with and what have happened in spite of what they have said. Blizzard will only hold their fingers in their ears for so long and go "lalala". And to the other person commenting that you have friends in other regions you want to play with, I know, that sucks. Another example for me from WoW is that I have a lot of RL friends playing on different servers, and to play with any of them I have to leave my old server and my friends there and pay 25 euro for it. Or I could invest several days of playtime (as in time spent ingame playing and leveling) to get a reasonable character to play with there. So I know your pain, but I'll just bite my lip and carry on, and hope that they will implement something to allow cross realm play. But again this is thread about boicotting the game entirely over what I see as overemphasized issues. | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
The game itself is great amounts of fun and is excellently played out.. the singleplayer will be even more amazing... you will buy it too in the end. | ||
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SkCom
Canada229 Posts
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Orion_2kTC
United States80 Posts
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
( i dont care they are 10k other division ) only a few of my friend will know that im #1 and of course all my facebook friend will know ! ho i will need to buy about 5-6 game for play in the other server and maybe 9 if im competitive but that ok , that only in a perfect world that everyone can play vs each other right ? wait ... im going to play vs everyone ? i just need to buy more game right ? then why blizzard dont add the option to switch realms ? ha right , that something realy hard to do ... but wait we can buy the game and do it no ?.... only in a perfect world ?. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:52 Paramore wrote: Your post is flawed for so many reasons already. 1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing. 2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will. 3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true. I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either. cash tournaments... delusional much? also asking ppl whether they'll but the game or not is not a petition to boycott the game. i think you're the only one in the whole thread to use the word boycott as for me, i wont buy sc2, i would need a new computer to get good performance and for a shitty game like sc2 it's sooo not worth.. i just dont see the entertainment value being worth the invested money. i think sc2 was from the beginning on intended for the casual WoW-player, because they are the once it's easy to milk of their dollars. as for our current culture i dont see esports getting big anywhere in the western world so that a company would invest too much in the market to develop the necessary infrastructure. cant blame blizz, they are a commercial company, making money is what they do and they would choose money over esports on everyday. | ||
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:38 MasterFischer wrote: So many drama queens in this thread. Don't like the game? Fine. Then stay away alltogether, we won't miss you. The game itself is great amounts of fun and is excellently played out.. the singleplayer will be even more amazing... you will buy it too in the end. this might be the dumbest comment ive ever read on teamliquid. the whole point of the thread was to see if people will buy it or not, then people obviously will tell why they wont or will buy it. shh | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
or you just feel bad paying $60 for a mediocre game and just need to reassure yourself.... right... i could as well say that 50% of the ppl who said yes will be pirating it. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
At the very worst at least the single player should be good fun. People make fun of the writing but honestly SC and BW weren't that strong in the writing department either. | ||
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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
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Coraz
United States252 Posts
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... I live in Australia. I am not buying this game twice, period - I do not want to pay 180$ US for it (which is what it costs here, 90$ each) Fuck them - I've had enough - I'll find other ways to play the single player - my interest in MP is diminishing rapidly, I've got other things I should be focusing on anyhow. So no, I will not buy this game. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
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Antzer
United States5 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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ttlranger
United States22 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Cya Blizzard. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
Blizzard has finally proven their intentions (a lot better than what they have been doing up to now, LYING) and it's not to further esports. | ||
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iko
New Zealand137 Posts
Lopping Australia and New Zealand with South East Asia is the straw that broke the camels back. I get better latency to the US than I do to SEA. Not to mention our cultures and ridiculously different and there's a language barrier aswell. It'd be like making US players have to play on Brazilian servers. | ||
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madsweepslol
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
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stellarvector
United States32 Posts
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:28 Fraidnot wrote: Do you think you'll just go back to bw? lol Lol guess what, im already back to Bw since the beta startet | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:10 iko wrote: Most likely not. Going to pirate it for it's singleplayer. I'll give the game a second look when they pull their head out of their ass. Lopping Australia and New Zealand with South East Asia is the straw that broke the camels back. I get better latency to the US than I do to SEA. Not to mention our cultures and ridiculously different and there's a language barrier aswell. It'd be like making US players have to play on Brazilian servers. oh god i would kill myself | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:33 wiesel wrote: Lol guess what, im already back to Bw since the beta startet Yeah me too, in the last 20 days I've played about 10 games of SC1 and I haven't created a single SC2 character since the patch 13 wipe. | ||
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eazo
United States530 Posts
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:21 stellarvector wrote: Actually- what would really hurt Blizzard right now, is if everyone who pre-ordered the collectors edition, cancelled that and just preordered the regular edition. Then sent an email to blizzard support explaining that they did that and why. Charles Given that Collector's Editions are going to sell out anyway, and when people realise more CEs are available, they're going to grab them up quickly...that's not really going to put a dent in their sales. I'm definitely going to buy it. I don't care enough about eSports to not buy the game for lack of LAN support, chat channels or cross-continent stuff (I come here for the discussion on game mechanics, mostly). I love that I can just quickly do a few games after work and feel satisfied, and mentally exhausted, after a few games in the Diamond league. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:45 bITt.mAN wrote: This is so sad that us, the most loyal and fanatical fans of Blizzard games are turned off of buying what we've all been waiting for, for how long?? For me its been 5 years I've anticipated this game, and Blizzard is not delivering. Yeah it really sucks Not buying it either the beta have simply not convinced me (largely cause I'm such a big fan of tough mechanical play). | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
I'm not even playing the Beta anymore... | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote: I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS. This pretty much applies to me as well. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:28 Fraidnot wrote: Really? you're going to buy it anyways, everyone will. Do you think you'll just go back to bw? lol I know plenty of people are just wrapped up in the whole boycott blizzard because they're making stupid choices, but lets at least be honest with ourselves. All politics are based on the indifference of the majority. James Reston No Fraidnot, I am not going to buy it. What "everyone" does is up to them. But please try to realize that your indifference to the situation is not a reaction to the situation; it is the very cause of it. | ||
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
On May 30 2010 00:57 ilbh wrote: SC2 is sooo amazing, so much better of what I expected, I just don't care if bnet is that bad. I will buy it anyway, but still hoping for bnet and in-game improvements. Me too! I'm so glad it's 90-95% SC1 in 3d with a few new units and buildings. I don't know why they bothered to change WC2 from two identical races to four completely unique races with a new hero system in WC3. Who doesn't want to keep playing the same old shit after 10 years?! | ||
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ahwala
Germany382 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
I'm back to logging hours into CS:S, and will most likely look to CIV5 for my gaming fix (since it comes out in Sept) till then... CS:S and CIV4... | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:02 Vexx wrote: Me too! I'm so glad it's 90-95% SC1 in 3d with a few new units and buildings. I don't know why they bothered to change WC2 from two identical races to four completely unique races with a new hero system in WC3. Who doesn't want to keep playing the same old shit after 10 years?! lol 90% sc1? fail. try again, troll | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
As always, the community has to do the work for Blizzard. ^^' | ||
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epsiSlow
Romania19 Posts
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:02 Vexx wrote: Me too! I'm so glad it's 90-95% SC1 in 3d with a few new units and buildings. I don't know why they bothered to change WC2 from two identical races to four completely unique races with a new hero system in WC3. Who doesn't want to keep playing the same old shit after 10 years?! 90-95% sc1? have u been drinking? | ||
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
You guys are right. I was exaggerating. You caught me red handed. The way you play the game changed entirely, what minerals you gather changed, how you gather is changed, your army supply is different and how you provide supply changed, upgrades are a new innovation etc etc. No, I haven't been drinking. There's more to these games than the just the 5-6 units they replaced between games on each race. There's all the units and buildings they didn't change and the rest of the game, that besides a couple macro mechanics, plays just the same as SC1. | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:43 Vexx wrote: You guys are right. I was exaggerating. You caught me red handed. The way you play the game changed entirely, what minerals you gather changed, how you gather is changed, your army supply is different and how you provide supply changed, upgrades are a new innovation etc etc. No, I haven't been drinking. There's more to these games than the just the 5-6 units they replaced between games on each race. There's all the units and buildings they didn't change and the rest of the game, that besides a couple macro mechanics, plays just the same as SC1. I'm gonna go ahead and guess you've never played a single C&C game. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? No. It's the main community of StarCraft. And yes, I won't be buying the game if Battle Net doesn't get fixed. To be able to play the game I would need a new computer, and won't be buying one for something as impossibly dumb as the current Battle Net. | ||
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Wintermute
United States427 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? I probably won't buy it. It's not a "boycott" of Blizzard as I still have a WoW subscription. I just don't think that SC2 in its current state is a product that's worth my money and time. I'm sure Blizzard will still sell a bajillion copies of SC2 based on marketing hype and past peformance by Blizzard, but unlike millions of people world wide, I've had the opportunity to play the game throughout beta and witness the way Blizzard has (not) responded to the needs of the community. Basically, this game was in its best state 5-6 patches ago, with the hope that they might still make radical changes that were needed, add key features like chat and cross region play, and so on. In the past month or two its gone from a total no brainer "will buy" title to a "Will buy if especially bored" title. Balance has gotten worse, important features have failed to materialize, and the "fresh, new" experience has worn off. In the end, decals and avatars and facebook integration do not matter to me. I want a compelling game play experience, and as far as I can tell, the only way SC2 would provide that to me might be with the single player campaign. I don't really want to drop 60 dollars on a PC game for the single player campaign. SC2 would be worth 100 dollars or more if the game play and the community features were up to snuff, but as it is I wouldn't pay more than 30 or 40. The idea that this some how makes those of us who are unhappy "not part of the community" is ludicrous. The game is not for sale. There are no people who have purchased it, and this is not the "Blizzard ass kissing" forum. It exists for discussion and feedback about SC2. TL.net is a Starcraft community, btw. SC2 is technically a side bar to the main mission of this site, though the mission can obviously change. | ||
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StayFrosty
Canada743 Posts
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1074 Posts
I personally think that the UMS games will be hit pretty hard by Blizzard. There are lots of limitations in map sizes, no. of maps that can be hosted by a players and no room names. I do hope Blizzard will address these problems. | ||
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Canada36 Posts
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Spell_Crafted
United States192 Posts
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:01 jstar wrote: fuck no. Gonna wait for the expansions and see how it changes. Not buying D3 either unless it changes. what are you 12? D3 looks amazing. buying sc2 for UMS and campaign reasons only. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:52 QualmSC wrote: No. It's the main community of StarCraft. And yes, I won't be buying the game if Battle Net doesn't get fixed. To be able to play the game I would need a new computer, and won't be buying one for something as impossibly dumb as the current Battle Net. WTF kid Paramore, TL is not community of SC2. TL is community of people that share same interests and it was established around SC1. Actually many people that joined just because of SC2 bringing TL level down. on topic: In my life, I reached the position when i just can't sit around and play games anymore. I am not happy about it, but even if i try to play a bit - it doesn't satisfy me as much as before. So i am not going to buy SC2. Also this gateway problem sux hard and Blizzard should do something about it. I feel with people from Australia and NZ - that must suck heavily. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:02 mOnion wrote: what are you 12? D3 looks amazing. buying sc2 for UMS and campaign reasons only. Yea it looks amazing. But do you think they're gonna make it anything like D2? It's gonna be one huge casual fest like WoW, and also on bnet 2.0 with no chatrooms and facebook integration DAMN. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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yiff
United States63 Posts
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LingKing
United States44 Posts
I'm going to buy it, my APM is so-so and SC2 I feel like I can execute my battle plans without having to worry so much about remembering to make workers mine and 10 hotkeys. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
i'm buying it | ||
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stenole
Norway868 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
for various reason that I explained in an earlier post' so opinion and all the OMFG BLIZZ IS SO COOL AND AWESOME EVRYONE WILL BUY THEIR GAMES CAUZ ITS BLIZZ ROFL can go hide in a corner and understand that we ACTUALLY have another (better in my opinion) game that is called SC:BW and Blizz can go hide with their fanboys in a corner for trying to deliver us an half-assed product | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
BNet 2 needs some work, but the problems it has aren't enough to keep me from buying the game, because the ACTUAL game (the important thing! gasp!) is actually fun. | ||
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Future_sc
United States783 Posts
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yiff
United States63 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:20 swanized wrote: No I won't buy this game for various reason that I explained in an earlier post' so opinion and all the OMFG BLIZZ IS SO COOL AND AWESOME EVRYONE WILL BUY THEIR GAMES CAUZ ITS BLIZZ ROFL can go hide in a corner and understand that we ACTUALLY have another (better in my opinion) game that is called SC:BW and Blizz can go hide with their fanboys in a corner for trying to deliver us an half-assed product I don't get why everyone is so hardcore about staying with SC1. I mean, yea the game was fucking amazing, with an incredible skill ceiling. But isn't it time to move on? It's been like 12 years. Updated graphics and physics engine isn't a bad thing. Sure we have MBS and automine etc..but all that does in reality is take away the monotonous activities like sending EVERY scv to minerals EVERY game. In the end i think after 1-2 years when SC2 is balanced we will all forgot about SC1. Have faith in blizzard xD | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:12 LingKing wrote: I suspect the starcraft games will end up in a similar situation as counterstrike 1.6 and source; Starcraft BW will be regarded as the 'true test of skill' game and SC2 will be the flashy-prettier one that changed the core mechanics of the game. I'm going to buy it, my APM is so-so and SC2 I feel like I can execute my battle plans without having to worry so much about remembering to make workers mine and 10 hotkeys. please don't try to push this community splitting "TEST OF SKILL" bullshit. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
And I DO want to find out what's going on in the Starcraft universe. As for multiplayer, we'll see. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
I don't get why everyone is so hardcore about staying with SC1. I mean, yea the game was fucking amazing, with an incredible skill ceiling. But isn't it time to move on? It's been like 12 years. Updated graphics and physics engine isn't a bad thing. Sure we have MBS and automine etc..but all that does in reality is take away the monotonous activities like sending EVERY scv to minerals EVERY game. In the end i think after 1-2 years when SC2 is balanced we will all forgot about SC1. Have faith in blizzard xD I am guessing from your 34 posts that you are not a Broodwar player and that you probably don't see how truly epic playing BW was (I may be wrong though number of posts don't mean a lot) what I mean is not that new graphics and Automine are bad things. those are nice additions but the overall game quality has dipped down quite a bit so I don't why move on after 12 awesome years to something of lesser quality even if it has been a while. I am ready for another 20 years of BW if needed | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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yiff
United States63 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:33 swanized wrote: I am guessing from your 34 posts that you are not a Broodwar player and that you probably don't see how truly epic playing BW was (I may be wrong though number of posts don't mean a lot) what I mean is not that new graphics and Automine are bad things. those are nice additions but the overall game quality has dipped down quite a bit so I don't why move on after 12 awesome years to something of lesser quality even if it has been a while. I am ready for another 20 years of BW if needed Wierd. I feel completely the opposite. I feel that SC2 is a completely superior game to BW in every way. And i played BW. Since i was 15. I even managed to get to B- with terran. I'm 26 now and i simply can't wait for the release of SC2. Maybe im the exception? I just love the new graphics..the new units..new abilites..new strategies. Perhaps i was just burnt out on SC1. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:35 yiff wrote: Wierd. I feel completely the opposite. I feel that SC2 is a completely superior game to BW in every way. And i played BW. Since i was 15. I even managed to get to B- with terran. I'm 26 now and i simply can't wait for the release of SC2. Maybe im the exception? I just love the new graphics..the new units..new abilites..new strategies. Perhaps i was just burnt out on SC1. No, I'm with you 100%. Even my bio is similar. | ||
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yiff
United States63 Posts
Good to know i won't be the only one online come release day xD | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
Wierd. I feel completely the opposite. I feel that SC2 is a completely superior game to BW in every way. And i played BW. Since i was 15. I even managed to get to B- with terran. I'm 26 now and i simply can't wait for the release of SC2. Maybe im the exception? I just love the new graphics..the new units..new abilites..new strategies. Perhaps i was just burnt out on SC1. . heh opinion's differ, my own belief is that Brodwar 1.5 with hiny new graphics would have been perfect but oh well... I don't think SC2 as a big E-sports potential( ESPECIALLY NOT ifBlizz goes on fucking it up like the are) Broodwar is a bit too entertaining to be left for another game in my opinion | ||
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Fefnir
United States50 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
Keep in mind the guys that have been updating BW for the last few years are the same guys making SC2. (notice I didnt say 10 years) But there have been no balance updates since a little longer than few years. I think 2003 was the last one but im not sure on this one and too lazy to look through patch logs | ||
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kli6891
United States143 Posts
On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote: I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS. If nothing changes, this is what I'm going to do. | ||
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Vynakros
Slovenia63 Posts
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rwan
Canada68 Posts
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
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Fefnir
United States50 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:55 Bull-Demon wrote: People keep saying that Blizz doesn't listen to the community...when is TL going to pull their heads out of their asses and realize Blizz IS listening, you're just the tiny minority. They can't make everyone happy. Chat channels are a huge turnoff for a lot of gamers. Most people just want to PLAY, and 2.0 gets you there faster then ever. I probably spent more time looking for games then actually playing back in my BW days (pre iccup, wgtour etc. And I still can't find games on iccup half the time). This. Group chat I think will work fine for what we want. Custom games need to be reworked and xrealm, but I want to just click play, find an opponent that will have decent ping, and play. Custom games are for everything else. | ||
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BierKlauMeister
Germany42 Posts
But ill buy it, because sc2 is good. Blizzard is retarded. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote: are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...? seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game... you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? team liquid is the community of professional starcraft - don't post ignorant shit. plenty of people on this forum are not sc2 fans in any way. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:25 maybenexttime wrote: This is a fucking BW community, is it not? Not buying it. Agreed. TL is BW and I'm not buying a multiplayer game without lan and chat room functions. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:42 swanized wrote: . heh opinion's differ, my own belief is that Brodwar 1.5 with hiny new graphics would have been perfect but oh well... I don't think SC2 as a big E-sports potential( ESPECIALLY NOT ifBlizz goes on fucking it up like the are) Broodwar is a bit too entertaining to be left for another game in my opinion no. I did not wait 11 years for a graphical rehash of Brood War. | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
I think most people are going to buy the game, they just voted no cuz they are pissed. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
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haggard312
United States3 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:49 Ai52487963 wrote: That doesn't say how many are playing from a torrent. On topic, I'd buy it, but only to play with my housemates. I'm moving to England for graduate study for a year and if I stay there for my phd, then I guess I'd have to buy the Euro copies and say goodbye to playing with my US friends in SC2. It would say "In non-steam game" if it was a torrent. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
but that's the only reason | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
I think I'm going to buy the game, cuz I love SC and have a pirated copy on my flash drive with LAN capabilities when they develop it. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
If a crack team comes up with a version that lets you play LAN mode I will absolutely be downloading that. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On May 30 2010 04:39 -orb- wrote: I'm sure I'll buy it, but if it doesn't get MUCH better FAST I won't be buying the expansions. If a crack team comes up with a version that lets you play LAN mode I will absolutely be downloading that. Samezies. I'd rather play a nonlegit copy on private servers without all the stupid features like achievements than bnet if it meant LAN latency, global ladder, chat channels, and better custom game hosting. I think 90% of TL would too, which is more than enough people to populate such a server. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:05 Piski wrote: Well I have to say yes. Dont really see why not. I like SC2, it's the bnet I dislike and I can always hope that changes for the better Excellant point. Honestly as people voice their opinions on things that bnet needs. They will patch it to include new features (such as chat rooms) Blizzard will probally not make any massive changes to bnet prior to the release of sc2 simply because not everyone can play it yet therefore not everyone can make an intelligent enough choice on the issue. I'm going to be honest I would like to see chat rooms in sc2 however, in all honesty I only ever want to chat with 2 types of people. 1.) Real life friends/ friends of real life friends (in this case getting an email address will be easy so I can add them as a friend and talk to them) 2.) People that I do not know personally but I played a game with them and had alot of fun. With this case if you just played a game with them, [whether that be the match making ladder or regular create game] I can select there name in the scores screen at the end of the map and select add friend or chat If they feel the same way I do and wish to have other matches with me then they will respond in the chat or be added as a friend. With case 2 yes a chat room would be more efficient imho however there is a work around with bnet 2.0 just be patient and wait I'm almost postive that before all the expantions are released chat rooms will be brought in As to the question in this thread at hand, I have already preordered the game however I probally would have anyway. (did not vote since I already bought the game) | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:35 yiff wrote: Wierd. I feel completely the opposite. I feel that SC2 is a completely superior game to BW in every way. And i played BW. Since i was 15. I even managed to get to B- with terran. I'm 26 now and i simply can't wait for the release of SC2. Maybe im the exception? I just love the new graphics..the new units..new abilites..new strategies. Perhaps i was just burnt out on SC1. I think you're missing the point here, no one is saying the GAMEPLAY of SC2 is that bad, in fact I would agree that it is probably on par with Brood War (this is from a non e-sports perspective of course). The problem I have and many other people have with the game is the presentation - namely BNET 2.0. The game itself is fine but the service through which we must play is about 4 giant steps backwards in design principle, this is the reason people are complaining, we want PROPER channels, cross region support, and LAN play. And to all of those who say 'BNET 2.0 will have good latency eventually' the bottom line is this - LAN will always be faster than over the internet regardless of what SPEED your internet is (I made a blog post about this before). This is a key difference between connection speed and latency, latency can only be reduced by reducing the number of 'hops' (the number of computers and servers your connection goes through to reach its destination). LAN support effectively reduces this to 2 hops, your computer, your router, your friends computer. BNET 2.0 will ALWAYS have higher latency no_matter_what_internet_you_have as latency is not affected by the speed of a connection. One could potentially be running 2500 MS latency but still have 5 MBPS download. Latency is the time it takes to MAKE a connection, speed is how fast information moves once a connection is made. I'm still taking my Networking Technician course and I can figure this out, Blizzard is supposed to have highly-skilled and experience network admins working for them, how come they can't figure the same? | ||
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TossFloss
Canada606 Posts
Disappointment result from unmet expectations. And I for one will certainly be lowering my expectations of the Blizzard brand. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:07 GiantEnemyCrab wrote: ima wait and see...if this game turns out to be epic like startcraft 1 did after 2 or 3 years ima buy it but defintly not buying it when it comes out i never do Well I'll buy it because for me 50 bucks for a game, even if I only got 15 hours out of it I would say I got my money's worth (and I've already got more like 1000 hours of SC2B for free so clearly I like the game and its a hell of a lot cheaper than going out somewhere for entertainment). That said as my previous posts in this thread indicate, I have more than my fair share of qualms about the direction BNET 2.0 is taking (I lump leagues and ladders into BNET 2.0 category as well, some may say these are directly linked to game play however). I will play the game for what it is and I'm sure I'll enjoy my time with it, but for this game to hold my attention for three to four years like all of Blizzard's previous games have (most cases longer) BNET 2.0 is going to have to step it up a notch in terms of true competitive play. | ||
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Vynakros
Slovenia63 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:06 TossFloss wrote: Disappointment result from unmet expectations. And I for one will certainly be lowering my expectations of the Blizzard brand. This, and it saddens me :[. | ||
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Fraud
Canada108 Posts
Yes Blizzard made a few mistakes, we realize it, they realize it, you don't need to be so melo-dramatic about it. The sky isn't falling, you will buy SC2 because its a fun game, and all is right in the world. | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
And give people a choice on which realm to play on. | ||
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
On May 30 2010 06:14 Fraud wrote: zomg guys, we've given them feedback and they haven't coded chat rooms in immediately. I think we shouldn't buy the game. I don't get how coding chat rooms in takes time. Yes Blizzard made a few mistakes, we realize it, they realize it, you don't need to be so melo-dramatic about it. The sky isn't falling, you will buy SC2 because its a fun game, and all is right in the world. NO SIR THE SKY IS MOST CERTAINLY FALLING AND BLIZZARD SHOULD JUST CANCEL STARCRAFT 2!!! Hysterical over exaggerations are the name of the game. This is just politics. Grab a virtual pitch fork. | ||
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Smikis
Lithuania117 Posts
On May 30 2010 04:30 haggard312 wrote: It would say "In non-steam game" if it was a torrent. you can add mw2 as steam game to be listed as official game, and you were able to play pirated mw2 over steam mplayer.. dunno if you still can , i have no interest in shity games like that one as for sc2, if it still like this, i will probably wont buy it day of release.. who knows, maybe in month or two , i still hope they will fix a lot of things when they bring down beta servers.. | ||
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E_minus
Russian Federation60 Posts
I'll wait and see how it turns out, but I think I'd rather play bw on iccup. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
If they're not, I'll probably wait till it drops from $60. I'll probably still follow it as competition until then. | ||
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DiTH
Greece116 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
Blizzard needs to completely go back and try again with BNet 2.0, and seriously needs to balance the multiplayer before it will be worth buying. Single player does look enticing, but I can't get past how up-their-own-asses they have been with stupid features (chatrooms). | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On May 30 2010 06:14 Fraud wrote: zomg guys, we've given them feedback and they haven't coded chat rooms in immediately. I think we shouldn't buy the game. I don't get how coding chat rooms in takes time. Yes Blizzard made a few mistakes, we realize it, they realize it, you don't need to be so melo-dramatic about it. The sky isn't falling, you will buy SC2 because its a fun game, and all is right in the world. I'm curious, are you able to read? Because the name of the current poll we're all voting in is "With the way SC2 is right now, are you going to buy it." | ||
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Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
I will buy it for the campaign. But if blizzard ever dreamed of taking SC2 to the heights of turning pro gaming mainstream they are going to run into a brick wall. They will get my money on the 27th, but if things remain the way they are, their reputation is going to take a hit no amount of profits will be able to repair. If clans, chat channels, regular tournaments, and cross-region play are not implemented BEFORE Heart of the swarm, you can kiss your trilogy and the entire IP goodbye. Enjoy your quarterly earnings boys, you just squandered away 15 years of dominating the PC market. | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
But now i dont know... | ||
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Xeken
United States77 Posts
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
Does anyone else feel like with the influx of WoW players into the SC base there has been a greater inclination to go "XXX unit/strat/race is imba, Blizz fails at balance" instead of trying to just adjust your gameplay? The only thing I think Blizz should do is balance with the Highest level of play in mind (only balance around the top 1-5% of players, and I'm more inclined with only <1% ie. the most pro of players). | ||
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Level10Peon
United States59 Posts
You guys exaggerate more than a Republican on healthcare reform | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
If was week ago i would answer YES no doubt of that. But now i dont know... i TOTALLY agree with this. I feel very let down with their response as of late. I don't think we're asking for much... a 10 year old game made by the same company has the features we're asking for... blizzard fallen from grace. /sadface On May 30 2010 10:26 Level10Peon wrote: So none of you won't buy a perfectly good game because of on LAN nor chat rooms upon release? You guys exaggerate more than a Republican on healthcare reform chatrooms and lan are annoying, but if you want to play in tournaments you need to be on the server that has them. tourneys are the ONLY reason i played SC2 beta every day. Ladder is fucking awful and the non stop cash prize tourneys was so fun. 3 games x 3 expansions x 50 bucks is $450. That's a lot to ask for a game that so far is less dynamic than the original sc. | ||
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Zerluth
Argentina78 Posts
Considering: -SC is still a played game after 10+ years. -Blizzard is (in most cases at least) guarantee of quality. Agreed that Bnet 2.0 should be improved and I'm sure that there are still balance issues. As current patch I still think is a great game. | ||
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madsweepslol
161 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:55 Bull-Demon wrote: People keep saying that Blizz doesn't listen to the community...when is TL going to pull their heads out of their asses and realize Blizz IS listening, you're just the tiny minority. They can't make everyone happy. Chat channels are a huge turnoff for a lot of gamers. Most people just want to PLAY, and 2.0 gets you there faster then ever. I probably spent more time looking for games then actually playing back in my BW days (pre iccup, wgtour etc. And I still can't find games on iccup half the time). This is literally the dumbest post I've read on TL. Chat channels are a huge turnoff for a lot of gamers? What are you basing this on? Your own anti-social experience? My personal experience tells me otherwise: games without chat channels feel empty. I like being able to relax between games and just chat with people. I like being able to go into big public channels and talking with different people, finding people that like talking about the stuff I do and visiting their channel, or just making a small private channel with friends. The general outrage that there are no chat channels, which isn't confined to TL, also shows the stupidity of your post. I suggest you take your own advice and pull your head out of your ass. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Starcraft 2 = good b.net 2.0 = garbage | ||
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Coraz
United States252 Posts
On May 30 2010 10:26 Level10Peon wrote: So none of you won't buy a perfectly good game because of on LAN nor chat rooms upon release? You guys exaggerate more than a Republican on healthcare reform The game's pretty mediocre (speaking for my own opinon before 4000 angry replies) and we're mad by flippant attitude of blizzard PR on top of it having a vexing lack of features and facebook integration. | ||
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Drayne
Canada239 Posts
On May 29 2010 16:01 Renaissance wrote: People will still buy it. I'm just hoping that if Blizzard doesn't fix Bnet 2.0, someone will design their own server and client that everyone will use instead. Best of all, we'll all donate money to the programmer to live rich somewhere off shore so Blizzard can't sue. I have too agree with that, not that i didnt preorder the game already. I seriously dont care about Blizztard giving us no LAN, no doubt in my mind someone will. And maybe when blizz see we can all actualy plan LAN pretty simply, they will give it to us | ||
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BanelingXD
130 Posts
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Therapist
United States97 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Battle.net 2.0 is like Vista... upon release it was so screwed up it took months before it got semi-viable... and even years after release it's still garbage because it's built on shaky foundations. | ||
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Lemure
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
On May 30 2010 12:18 Coraz wrote: The game's pretty mediocre (speaking for my own opinon before 4000 angry replies) and we're mad by flippant attitude of blizzard PR on top of it having a vexing lack of features and facebook integration. Agreed. The game is not innovative, it's the same shit as SC1 except way easier to play (so far) and in 3d. And I'd add that I feel cheated by ActivisionBlizzard's "monetization" plans for SC. Cheated is probably the lightest word I can find to express how I feel as a gamer towards what their behavior means for the industry. | ||
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encryptedamf
Sweden64 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On May 30 2010 14:00 encryptedamf wrote: omg im getting sick of these threads in TL... you people are just do depressing omg! please logg off because your ruining my forums experience, i like to come on and read interesting things, but as of late it is just QQ after QQ. Cry me a river. And i'm definitely not buying. | ||
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Hotshot
Canada184 Posts
On May 30 2010 14:00 encryptedamf wrote: omg im getting sick of these threads in TL... you people are just do depressing omg! please logg off because your ruining my forums experience, i like to come on and read interesting things, but as of late it is just QQ after QQ. Wow, are you being sarcastic? You dont think we should fight the oppression Blizzard is trying to force on us? As for the pole, ive been saying for a while now: I will pirate it for at least one month before I purchases it (if not longer). So not sure what to vote. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On May 30 2010 14:57 Hotshot wrote: You dont think we should fight the oppression Blizzard is trying to force on us? Please don't exaggerate. Instead of a word usually used in reference to Death Squads, Mass graves, and the Gestapo, how about "Defend our rights as consumers". No less awesome no? | ||
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shurgen
350 Posts
To each their own though | ||
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wankey
98 Posts
OF COURSE everyone here is going to buy the game come hell or high water. There is zero chance that you're going to sit at home, boycotting the most anticipated game of this century. There is no way that you even have this much interest in the game, to even go to a site like this, to say "nope, because of a few small things like ooh chat channels or cross realm play" I'm not going to buy this game. Waah. Give me a break. You're going to buy it, and you're going to give Blizzard your money. Don't try to deny it. When all your friends are playing this game, having fun, you're going to sit home and shout that it doesn't have chat rooms? When you're watching Irda and the pro korea esports league host games on B.net without flaw, you're still going to complain about no chat channels and not buy this game? You're going to buy it, end of story. Threads like these aren't indicative of anything real. The only reason you're posting on a "Starcraft pro gaming forum" is to get attention. Everyone is going to buy it. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 30 2010 15:36 wankey wrote: Don't be naive. This thread is pretty useless because people who vote NO on this thread are lying to themselves. OF COURSE everyone here is going to buy the game come hell or high water. There is zero chance that you're going to sit at home, boycotting the most anticipated game of this century. There is no way that you even have this much interest in the game, to even go to a site like this, to say "nope, because of a few small things like ooh chat channels or cross realm play" I'm not going to buy this game. Waah. Give me a break. You're going to buy it, and you're going to give Blizzard your money. Don't try to deny it. When all your friends are playing this game, having fun, you're going to sit home and shout that it doesn't have chat rooms? When you're watching Irda and the pro korea esports league host games on B.net without flaw, you're still going to complain about no chat channels and not buy this game? You're going to buy it, end of story. Threads like these are indicative of anything real. The only reason you're posting on a "Starcraft pro gaming forum" is to get attention. Everyone is going to buy it. Ironic that you try to call this out as attention grabbing when you're the only one trolling here. A lot of us still watch, play, and enjoy BW. We *gasp* even talk about the game and it's pro scene on these very forums. Why buy a game that's going to be inferior to that for years at the very least (and likely forever)? The only even half-reasonable exception is for the campaign / custom maps, and then why pay Blizzard $150+ for the advancement of the storyline when there are hundreds of other developers making similar quality single player content out there and don't try to sell you a game in 3 separate pieces? Anyway, in the end RTS is still 99% about multiplayer. The campaigns just do not have that much replayability. I don't see a reason to buy SC2 until it's multiplayer is significantly improved. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On May 30 2010 15:36 wankey wrote: Don't be naive. This thread is pretty useless because people who vote NO on this thread are lying to themselves. OF COURSE everyone here is going to buy the game come hell or high water. There is zero chance that you're going to sit at home, boycotting the most anticipated game of this century. There is no way that you even have this much interest in the game, to even go to a site like this, to say "nope, because of a few small things like ooh chat channels or cross realm play" I'm not going to buy this game. Waah. Give me a break. You're going to buy it, and you're going to give Blizzard your money. Don't try to deny it. When all your friends are playing this game, having fun, you're going to sit home and shout that it doesn't have chat rooms? When you're watching Irda and the pro korea esports league host games on B.net without flaw, you're still going to complain about no chat channels and not buy this game? You're going to buy it, end of story. Threads like these aren't indicative of anything real. The only reason you're posting on a "Starcraft pro gaming forum" is to get attention. Everyone is going to buy it. This is hilarious. Maybe some people post on a "Starcraft pro gaming forum" because they're interested in Starcraft pro gaming. After all this site was designed to help the community of Western fans of Korean Brood War pro gaming organize its coverage and discussion. Being on this site in no way indicates any interest in Starcraft 2 at all. Sure it'd make sense since the game is in the same franchise as the game whose pro scene we follow, but over half of sub forums and threads on this site are dedicated to topics entirely removed from Starcraft 2. Sure I'll buy it when the situation you illustrate (a flourishing esports scene and/or all my friends playing it) arises, but that hasn't happened (the latter at least is unlikely to happen since like most people, not all my friends are excited about the game or are even gamers in the first place), so there's really no impetus for myself or anyone else unimpressed with the game so far to shell out hard-earned money on it. Statements asserting that the fanbase has the potential to effect change are pretty unsubstantiated, but so are blanket claims like these that all TL posters will buy Starcraft 2. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 30 2010 15:17 Half wrote: Please don't exaggerate. Instead of a word usually used in reference to Death Squads, Mass graves, and the Gestapo, how about "Defend our rights as consumers". No less awesome no? Oppression is NOT an exaggeration. Do we have any say in what will go into SC2 or how it looks? Not if it doesnt please Blizzard. Did we VOTE for any Blizzard people to be put into their office as we usually do for our governments? Certainly NOT. So Blizzard IS behaving like the dictatorship it is in fact and we have only two choices: 1. Play the game as it is presented to us by Blizzard OR 2. walk away and play something else. There is a third option too, but I dont think two bad things make it right: 3. Get a cracked version with LAN support and chat channels to play on. Try to look at the world a little more objectively please. NONE of the managers of big companies have been democratically voted for by the people and yet they shape our lives more than the governments (just look at the way TV is influencing us)! That is a fact. | ||
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Bubbadub
United States156 Posts
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Fraud
Canada108 Posts
If you don't like it, go post on the blizzard forums and give feedback. If you're butthurt for the lack of cross-realm play, you don't need to buy it. Go post in your blogs about it and stop being so emo. Blizzard is not a dictatorship, they are a company with employees just like you and I. Godwin's law has been invoked, sign that this thread has gone on too long. | ||
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Cheesenium
Malaysia9 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 30 2010 16:54 Fraud wrote: It's their product, they can do whatever they want with it. Thank you for agreeing with me that Blizzard is a dictatorship. | ||
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Falling
Canada11349 Posts
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Razii
United States88 Posts
Has Blizzard made any type of response to our complaints? | ||
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
On May 30 2010 17:33 Rabiator wrote: Thank you for agreeing with me that Blizzard is a dictatorship. Blizzard's not a government. Business also don't need to give a shit about you, on a side note. They answer only to stockholders. And that's how it should be. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
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Mysticum
3 Posts
Blizzard is pissing on the customers as usual, as they have done for several years with the WoW community as well. Still, I would be lying if I said I'm not going to buy thier game. Heck, I will even go crazy if I didn't recieve the game the very first day. At least I have gone from CE to SE. Blizzard makes great games, and they know it. Why even bother with the extra package then? They want to make plenty of money like everyone else. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
On May 30 2010 18:17 ghosthunter wrote: Blizzard's not a government. Business also don't need to give a shit about you, on a side note. They answer only to stockholders. And that's how it should be. Actually the best way to generate stockholder value is by offering customers what they want. That being said its like WoW and its 95% casual player base which had the game develop from fairly hardcore to just well casual. I definitely fear the same thing happening to SC2 cause to be honest probably 5% or less of the people that will purchase the game have ever visited TL or know for example who Flash is they just like playing UMS or clashing big armies in other peoples faces (its for these people they dumb down the game compared to BW). Same way we tend to play poker with our friends rather then chess despite chess clearly being the superior competitive game. | ||
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