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Admins please forgive this otherwise very mannered poster--you can check my history to see I'm usually not so crass.
R.T.S. TERMS TO MAKE YOU SOUND SMART WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING THE GAME:
Metagame: Once a term for the dynamic that arose outside of the game itself based on the tendencies of players to adapt to trends and common counters, this term is now a meaningless, pseudo-intellectual way to say "game."
FE: The common acronym for Fast Expand or Fast Expansion. Just because you say you "throw down an FE" does not make you Flash (EffOrt?).
Timing Push: A timing push is a concept based around a window in the metagame (see that?) wherein your opponent has few units or the wrong type of units. For example, when your opponent expands he invests money in his economy, creating a point in time when he has fewer units and is vulnerable to a timing push. Also, when one player makes a tech switch this also creates a window of opportunity until his or her opponent can switch accordingly. So when you sit contentedly making units from one base of resources and move out arbitrarily to stomp your silver level opponent because you like the size of your army and you finally figured out how to build a Raven this is not a timing push. SCOUT TO DISCOVER TIMING WINDOWS.
Dual: Not a big deal, but there are some of us out there who would rather you just say "two."
Viable: Viability is not binary. Take that statement to heart and carry it with you all the way to gold league. Yes, it's true that some strategies or tactics are more difficult to implement or easier to counter for your opponent, but sometimes those are the most rewarding. It behooves the Beta tester to find creative new ways around obstacles in the metagame (BOOM! Two for two!) rather than declaring seemingly difficult things unviable. Try this: Pick a unit and find a use for it instead of picking a use and finding a unit for it. This segues nicely into:
Imbalanced: Imba, OP, overpowered, broken, whatever you want to call it. Yes, it is a Beta and there may be some balance issues. But who will emerge the stronger, more versatile player: The player who declares imbalance at the roadblocks in his/her play and is at the mercy of Blizzard's buffs and nerfs like a begging puppy, or the player who is determined to win regardless of balance issues and is that much stronger when the buffs come? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, very few players are good enough at Starcraft II for racial balance to even matter. If you have 3,000 minerals in the bank, expand at ten minutes, and think that "micro" is A-moving banelings (hint: they often do better right-click moved through the enemy), then there are much greater things to worry about than the range of a voidray you lost to that one time you almost got to top ten in gold.
Micro/Macro: These two myriad terms are perhaps responsible for more ambiguity than any others over the years of Starcraft glory. Saying that you have good micro and bad macro (hint: that's what all new players say) means next to nothing. Saying that you have trouble knowing when to expand, trouble controlling large army groups, or trouble saturating new bases with workers is... what's the word... USEFUL. The quality of the advice you receive is directly proportional (think x=y) to the quality of your request for it.
BY REQUEST
Cheese: A few weeks back there was actually a great post concerning the definitions of the overused terms "cheese" and "all-in" by a well known user whose name escapes me right now, so credit is due to him for these definitions. Cheese is a strategy whose success is very dependent on remaining unknown to the enemy. This means that something like a Dark Templar rush is often considered cheese because a player aware of this plan can prepare detection ahead of time, while something like Hellion harass is less cheesy because you can be fully aware of the impending Hellions and still take damage without taking measured precautions (like blocking your ramp, making a spine crawler, or running drones). NOT ALL CHEESE IS ALL-IN.
All-in: All-in is a word commonly used to describe a strategy you have been beaten by. For example: "That noob went all-in 2-Gate FE!!!!!!!111!!!zomg!!protossisOPnerfmoar!!!" All-in is the perfect scapegoat! You can never have a bad game again with the handy all-in accusation! In normal person land, all-in describes a strategy that aims to end the game at one specific point and often lacks a STABLE followup. The perfect example is the 6-Pool, a build whose low drone count is crippling to the production of anything more than handfuls of zerglings. Yes, there may be a followup, but between players of equal skill levels and equal numbers of arms a failed all-in is a failed game. Keep in mind that by definition an all-in can occur in the late-game.
Realistically, good players can recognize a self-improvement thread over a look-I-learn-these-word-now-I-can-sound-like-SC2-playur attention-grabbers. So before you make that thread, stop and think: How can I purposefully avoid the buzzwords, be taken seriously, and get responses from people who are not my own level with similar problems? Good luck and have fun out there guys.
P.S. Metagame metagame metagame.
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Add more terms imo.Those are pretty obvious and well-known.
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Watch out for chills banhammer using the word metagame that much lol.
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Do you mean... the old Gold or the New Gold (being the old Silver?)
Just curious.
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Feel free to recommend more terms and I'll edit them in.
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I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this, but I loathe the term "metagame". As far as i am concerned it is not even a real word.
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proxy stuff and cheesing could be added maybe
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Thanks for enlightening me on what the metagame was.
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Please add "Refuted" a term used to attack build orders that were once considered viable but have a fatal flaw that makes them either too risky or worthless in competitive play.
Cheese: A term used to describe a build that is extremely risky to the point that if you fail at your attack you will almost certainly lose the game and might as well gg immediately because you will be behind in either tech or economy. There is a very fine line between cheesing and a good early rush, so please take care when you call a good strategy cheesing. If they still have a decent chance of winning even if the rush completely fails it is not cheese.
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This seems like a good a place to ask as any. What does kiting mean? It's something I never came across in bw or really anywhere else and I just started hearing about it all the time suddenly.
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Is there an acronym glossary? That wouldnt be too bad of an idea, I know that the liquidpedia has quite a few, but has anyone consolidated it all together?
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A FE build into a dual Rax push is totally a viable way to deal with the IMBA of Immortals, because you get better Macro AND a timing attack in before the first one can get out. It's a great way to throw of their Metagame...
Am I doing this right?
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people who try to skip the first syllable of new units in effort to try to make the new "goon", "lot" or "rine" (I hate all of them by the way).
When I see some people say rauders, I facepalm to tears.
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Funny threead. ^-^
BTW meta-analysis is not something new to SC.
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On May 23 2010 09:00 Bibbit wrote:
This seems like a good a place to ask as any. What does kiting mean? It's something I never came across in bw or really anywhere else and I just started hearing about it all the time suddenly.
I'll use the marauder as an example. Basically you attack with the marauder run away attack, repeat. Just a way to damage melee units as range without getting hit too much.
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I definitely do NOT think that using Imbalanced/Imba/OP makes you sound smart.. for me personally it has the opposite effect.
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On May 23 2010 09:02 Shade692003 wrote:
people who try to skip the first syllable of new units in effort to try to make the new "goon", "lot" or "rine" (I hate all of them by the way).
When I see some people say rauders, I facepalm to tears.
There was a speck of dust on my screen and I thought you said "geon"... I was wracking my brain, couldn't think of any units. Then I scrolled down a line.
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On May 23 2010 09:01 cursor wrote:
A FE build into a dual Rax push is totally a viable way to deal with the IMBA of Immortals, because you get better Macro AND a timing attack in before the first one can get out. It's a great way to throw of their Metagame...
Am I doing this right?
You forgot to hate on dts. Other than that it looks good.
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Wow, I genuinely laughed thanks to this thread. 5 stars
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On May 23 2010 09:06 Talic_Zealot wrote:
I definitely do NOT think that using Imbalanced/Imba/OP makes you sound smart.. for me personally it has the opposite effect.
Well to be honest whenever I see any of these terms contaminating a thread I get the instant urge to wash myself and go play twenty ladder games in atonement, but for some reason there is a plague of people who worship terms like these on shanty shrines of noobishness.
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Game Theory by John Nash. Do et!
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You forgot gosu, hasu, TT, natural, and maynard to name just a few. Gotta teach these nubs to be fags like the rest of us.
P.S. I suggest brand new terminology, to "Browder it" For example, when you position your zealot slightly wrong in your wallin and 8 zerglings run by. You just Browdered it.
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Great thread! I think you really need the term "branked" in there though!
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On May 23 2010 09:33 Dragonsven wrote:
You forgot gosu, hasu, TT, natural, and maynard to name just a few. Gotta teach these nubs to be fags like the rest of us.
P.S. I suggest brand new terminology, to "Browder it" For example, when you position your zealot slightly wrong in your wallin and 8 zerglings run by. You just Browdered it.
Seconded.
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Natural is a very concrete/otherwise lengthy term. I don't see anything wrong with it (much like the OP doesn't really hate on "timing push", but on people calling EVERYTHING a timing push). How would you say he took his natural otherwise? Expanded in front of his base? Expanded on the nearest place?
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isnnt there already a thread for this witha lot more terms?
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Kennigit
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Chill and i rage about these terms at least once a game lol. I remember the good old days of Klazart when an 8/9 pylon at your natural was "The Bisu Build".
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haha Awesome, my favorite part of the Bisu Build is when Bisu went reavers.
Terrible, terrible damage.
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Something funny I noted browsing these forums: There are significant differences between players of different races as far as the terms they'll use to describe their play. I think part of it can be attributed to the playstyles of the races in BW.
The great majority of players I see using the words 'timing push' are Terran. They'll call really anything a timing push, even if it's just poking up someone's ramp. Probably a remnant of many T's defensive-into-huge-tank-push playstyle.
Funnily, I have rarely heard the word from Zerg or Protoss players.
Instead, Zerg will substitute 'rush' or 'bust' for timing push. Possibly because that's what playing Zerg actually feels like. There's no slow pushing going on, it's brutal blitzkrieg.
Protoss players will often call anything teching. Early dragoons? Tech. Warpgates? Tech. 3 Gate 1 Stargate? Tech. This leaves me wondering what isn't 'tech'. Pure 0/0/0 zealots out of 6 gates?
Anyone else noticed this?
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On May 23 2010 09:46 Kennigit wrote:
Chill and i rage about these terms at least once a game lol. I remember the good old days of Klazart when an 8/9 pylon at your natural was "The Bisu Build".
Wait, my world is reeling... K-dog ISN'T the strategy bonjwa!?
And to think when I was first getting into Starcraft I would watch Cholera, Klaz, and... oh god... dare I say it?
*whispers*
Combat-ex
*flees from mocking laughter*
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Roll: "I'm totally gonna roll zerg"
postmarked 07.26.10
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Slump: Jaedong will beat Flash so badly in the MSL that Flash will slump
Uninstall: I will cheese IdrA so hard that he's gonna rage and uninstall sc2
Maple Story: Did Bisu just get raped by go.go? He should go play Maple Story instead
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Pheonixes: May as well be known as Nonys
Nony Build: Opting for 4-5 early pheonixes to move out harass opponent, then move back to main base while making more pheonixes.
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On May 23 2010 08:51 The_Piper42 wrote:
FE: The common acronym for Fast Expand or Fast Expansion. Just because you say you "throw down an FE" does not make you Flash (EffOrt?).
I love how people now use this term to mean 'expand'.
As in:
"he kept harassing me so I wasn't able to FE until 15 minutes in the game."
Or:
"just tech to colossus then FE."
RAGE!
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Maynard Transfer or Maynard Swap:
Transfering excess workers from your main to your natural before it is finished, so they reach the main when it is done.
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On May 23 2010 14:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
Uninstall: I will cheese IdrA so hard that he's gonna rage and uninstall sc2
There's no such thing. Since our Metagame Knowledge tells us that IdrA will always FE, every Cheese is a Viable Timing Push.
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I love the "Browdered it"!! LOL
Also works if you have your probes on hold position, just to get pushed out of the way by a bunch of lings that attack clicked a building close to them.
You thought those probes would actually seal your wall? You just Browdered it.
Or, if you spend time actually casting Frenzy on a bunch of your units and Corruption on a bunch of his... and you lose because you didn't macro... you just Browdered it.
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These might make you sound smart to a newb.
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On May 23 2010 10:10 DarQraven wrote:
Something funny I noted browsing these forums: There are significant differences between players of different races as far as the terms they'll use to describe their play. I think part of it can be attributed to the playstyles of the races in BW.
The great majority of players I see using the words 'timing push' are Terran. They'll call really anything a timing push, even if it's just poking up someone's ramp. Probably a remnant of many T's defensive-into-huge-tank-push playstyle.
Funnily, I have rarely heard the word from Zerg or Protoss players.
Instead, Zerg will substitute 'rush' or 'bust' for timing push. Possibly because that's what playing Zerg actually feels like. There's no slow pushing going on, it's brutal blitzkrieg.
Protoss players will often call anything teching. Early dragoons? Tech. Warpgates? Tech. 3 Gate 1 Stargate? Tech. This leaves me wondering what isn't 'tech'. Pure 0/0/0 zealots out of 6 gates?
Anyone else noticed this?
I find this list hilariously accurate.
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Hint: Listing definitions to words that almost everyone knows makes you sound like an arrogant ass.
User was warned for this post
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On May 23 2010 15:19 Sylvr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 14:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
Uninstall: I will cheese IdrA so hard that he's gonna rage and uninstall sc2
There's no such thing. Since our Metagame Knowledge tells us that IdrA will always FE, every Cheese is a Viable Timing Push.
i love how that actually makes (warped) sense.
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Hahaha that was so funny, thank you for posting this, great read
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On May 23 2010 14:31 BigDates wrote:
Pheonixes: May as well be known as Nonys
Nony Build: Opting for 4-5 early pheonixes to move out harass opponent, then move back to main base while making more pheonixes.
i believe the goatshow called that "nony baloney".
then they altered it and it became "the phony nony baloney"
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On May 23 2010 16:27 Darpinion wrote:
Hint: Listing definitions to words that almost everyone knows makes you sound like an arrogant ass.
Fact, posting one line replies that start with the phrase "Hint:" also make you sound like an arrogant ass.
I think the point of the post is sarcasm/irony/stfu to all the people misusing the terms, which I wholly support. Especially how lower tier casters call everything timing push all-in, that's so annoying.
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Tempo control
As in, julyzerg 5 pooled to control the tempo of the game. Or Cauthonluck used a 10/10/10 port to control the tempo against Idra.
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ya i specially notice that when i rush in for a bust with my blings my slings wag thier tale extra fast as if they were dogs waiting for a treat.
protip- if your coming at the choke 15 min into the game its not a rush anymore... nor is the bust gonna work, nor are the happy slings gonna snack on any rines today. i call em pork rines.
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You need to add "contingency plan"
<3 superdanielman
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On May 23 2010 09:00 Bibbit wrote:
This seems like a good a place to ask as any. What does kiting mean? It's something I never came across in bw or really anywhere else and I just started hearing about it all the time suddenly.
The first time I heard the term 'kiting' was in WoW.
Kiting - To Kill in Time, also summons the image of stretching enemies behind you like a person flying a kite. This is a technique of killing enemies slowly by using DOTs and ranged attacks to wound them while evading/running away from the foes.
http://www.masterofwarcraft.net/2010/03/wow-beginner-glossary.html
The "Kill in Time" definition sounds a bit after the fact tacked on, I think someone probably did just mention that the technique looked a bit like someone flying a kite and it snowballed to popularity from there.
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To be honest, these days, I feel the metagame is riddled with cheese and OP, using micro/macro combinations that contain viable metagame all-ins, for example a metagame FE followed by a timing push using dual metagame units.
What are you thoughts on this?
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how does this make you sound smart? most standard terms there is -_-
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Natural
FD Fake Double
BM Bad Mannered
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On May 23 2010 19:11 nurle wrote:
how does this make you sound smart? most standard terms there is -_-
You need to get a sense of humor and stop reading post so literally.
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I personally like it when people just invent their own terms, usually named after themselves, for builds/strategies that have been around forever.
Alot of the stuff you listed is just regular old lingo that absolutely everyone uses though...
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Cheese: A strategy that requires less effort than it's counter.
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o gawsh another person trying to sound like they are better than everyone else ;/ shouldn't this be posted in blogs? where is a moderator when we need one ><
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i love people who think theyre smart using metagame coz they saw it once in a post
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On May 23 2010 15:36 cursor wrote:
I love the "Browdered it"!! LOL
Also works if you have your probes on hold position, just to get pushed out of the way by a bunch of lings that attack clicked a building close to them.
You thought those probes would actually seal your wall? You just Browdered it.
Or, if you spend time actually casting Frenzy on a bunch of your units and Corruption on a bunch of his... and you lose because you didn't macro... you just Browdered it.
Built immortals thinking they would counter his stimmed marauders?
Browdered it.
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Useful skill toi have: Winning by making just 1 type of units
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I duno, when I see people trying to use all those words in their posts, I usually think they're idiots.
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I really browdered it when I tried to FE on incineration zone since the metagame dictates that FE isnt Viable, and if I FE, the opponent can timing push me with an imbalanced dual rax and win easily. I really should have just all-in cheesed, no?
:c
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i was having a good ol fashioned FE, then, out of nowhere, i browdered all over my pillow and was like "ahh shit, looks like im gonna have to flip that shit" so i flipped over my pillow and pulled my other hands fingers out of my natural, and in the morning i reflipped it to check the terrible terrible damage, but all the browder juice was gone and it smelt funny.
- im under the influence you can use these terms for real life situations right?... guys???
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I hate the word and the meaning behind "TURTLE". I've been hating it for over a decade now.
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On May 23 2010 20:05 TTSA_SBR wrote:
i was having a good ol fashioned FE, then, out of nowhere, i browdered all over my pillow and was like "ahh shit, looks like im gonna have to flip that shit" so i flipped over my pillow and pulled my other hands fingers out of my natural, and in the morning i reflipped it to check the terrible terrible damage, but all the browder juice was gone and it smelt funny.
- im under the influence you can use these terms for real life situations right?... guys???
I browdered a little.
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On May 23 2010 21:04 XGDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 20:05 TTSA_SBR wrote:
i was having a good ol fashioned FE, then, out of nowhere, i browdered all over my pillow and was like "ahh shit, looks like im gonna have to flip that shit" so i flipped over my pillow and pulled my other hands fingers out of my natural, and in the morning i reflipped it to check the terrible terrible damage, but all the browder juice was gone and it smelt funny.
- im under the influence you can use these terms for real life situations right?... guys??? I browdered a little.
We just created a little bit of Starcraft history!
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here's a good example of someone trying to sound smart by using 'timing push' to mean '1 base build'
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Metagame still means the the first definition you have for it, just because morons misuse it, this does not change the meaning
good thread though hi5
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Canada5565 Posts
I like Gretorp's "posture", sounds so cool and it's an interesting way of thinking about the flow of the game.
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REQUEST - Another term that needs to be added (because it's been overused now..and it's stupid):
Hero______ (you can do probe because i believe that's the original one, but i've heard others being used)
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On May 23 2010 10:02 NET wrote:
haha Awesome, my favorite part of the Bisu Build is when Bisu went reavers.
Exactly! "Same build three games in a row" my ass.
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Want to add Maynard transfer to this list.
Especially annoying to hear new commentators repeatedly say this to make them sound educated.
As far as I know it's a tribute/honorary to Maynard yes? It's not at all descriptive of the action taken, like 9rax, 6pool etc, which all follow a standard and you just need to tell a first time watcher 1 time how to interpret, and he'll manage to deduce the meaning of any bo description later.
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On May 24 2010 23:47 NeonGenesis wrote:
Want to add Maynard transfer to this list.
Especially annoying to hear new commentators repeatedly say this to make them sound educated.
As far as I know it's a tribute/honorary to Maynard yes? It's not at all descriptive of the action taken, like 9rax, 6pool etc, which all follow a standard and you just need to tell a first time watcher 1 time how to interpret, and he'll manage to deduce the meaning of any bo description later.
from the definitions thread:
Maynard – Moving workers from an existing base to a newly formed expansion.
if those commentators you're talking about are using the term this way, they are doing it right.
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On May 23 2010 09:33 Dragonsven wrote:
You forgot gosu, hasu, TT, natural, and maynard to name just a few. Gotta teach these nubs to be fags like the rest of us.
Why reinvent the wheel?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Gosu
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Natural
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Maynard
Especially the word Gosu is used in the wrong context by some experienced commentators / players ... at least according to this definition. It is restricted to "superior playing style" but supposedly there is more to being gosu than winning every match.
Words and their correct / precise meanings are important or we are bound to misunderstand each other, so I applaud this thread.
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It's a "StarCraft term to make you look smart". It's a term formed by the community in tribute... I suppose Maynard was the first person to actively do this? It's not descriptive of the action taken and as such should be avoided by commentators, imho.
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Blunder: Any mistake in unit control caught by a commentator during a cast. Otherwise it's just a mistake.
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Does utilizing a FE into EE Han Timing push make me a noob?
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On May 25 2010 00:00 NeonGenesis wrote:
It's a "StarCraft term to make you look smart". It's a term formed by the community in tribute... I suppose Maynard was the first person to actively do this? It's not descriptive of the action taken and as such should be avoided by commentators, imho.
disagree, plenty of people have been using the term maynard since the beginning of BW (10 years ago). It's simply named after him because he was the 1st player to make use of it.
Most starcraft terms are not descriptive of the action taken :O of course that doesn't mean they should be avoided.
If you have been involved in the community for any amount of time you should know what the term maynard means.
Unless those commentators are using the term incorrectly, then I could see your point.
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Yes, if you've been involved with the community. I know/knew who Maynard is/was but people who are now comming to SC2 do not neccessarily posses this knowlage.
We're (hopefully) on the dawn of a new age in e-sports and using jargon in this manner is turning your focus in the wrong direction. Commentators using this (especially new commentators who have had no involvement with SC1 in the past) are only connecting with an established and isolated community and are not supporting growth.
Right now I'm seeing a lot of these new commentators taking any opportunity to comment on a "Maynard Transfer". It sometimes get so overused and emphazised it's embarassing. Actually impressive manouvers taking place get interrupted so casters can comment on the awesome "MAYNARD TRANSFER!" taking place. I think it sounds dumb. 
I think it's worth noting that the established oldschool players/commentators/streamers do not overuse/overemphazise this term. Day9 for example hardly ever says it, he says Drone/Probe/SCV transfer. If Day9 does use "advanced" terms like that he always describe their meaning.
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United States47024 Posts
Slightly related:
I always felt that "1 barracks double command" sounded cooler than "barracks expand".
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I think the terms "theory" and "hypothesis" (and variations of both words) should be included as honorary terms.
"I theorize that the void ray rush is a good all-in strategy, but my hypothesis proves otherwise."
What? The void ray rush is good, but other builds can stop it easily. I hate when people complicate things on this forum!
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The title of the thread should really be Starcraft Terms. It's debatable to whether they make you sound smart or not.^^
I agree that most terms like imbalanced etc are usually used by people who are quite the opposite.
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On May 25 2010 00:53 NeonGenesis wrote:Right now I'm seeing a lot of these new commentators taking any opportunity to comment on a "Maynard Transfer". It sometimes get so overused and emphazised it's embarassing. Actually impressive manouvers taking place get interrupted so casters can comment on the awesome "MAYNARD TRANSFER!" taking place. I think it sounds dumb.
Everyone knows a true baller commentator would call it a Maynard Manoeuvre for the euphony, anyway.
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