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An Open Letter to Blizzard Regarding Divisions - Page 12

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zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
May 22 2010 19:36 GMT
#221
Total agreement. I hope blizzard does something about this. Catering to the friendly neighborhood noobs isn't a way to create a competitive atmosphere
FeLonius
Profile Joined April 2010
61 Posts
May 22 2010 19:38 GMT
#222
/signed
huh?
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
May 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#223
On May 23 2010 04:28 chraej. wrote:
So very apt. Hopefully blizz will take notice.

having such a fragmented ladder really detracts from the competitive aspect of the game, trying to promote competition while equalizing everyone and making everyone feel like they are just as important/skilled as everyone else defeats the purpose of competitive ladder play.

I am also completely confused by the addition of a "diamond" league and removal of copper (how does diamond even fit in among the list of metals?). Seems like blizz is indeed trying to make everyone feel important by giving them all special titles.


You HAVE to stop thinking it's a global ladder that it's fragmented. Is the baseball "ladder" fragmented and player are being detracted from being competitive because of it? Absolutely not. Why would a small league player want to be compared to a major league baseball player anyway? They are in totally different skill park, so there is no point to compare them. The closest thing is multiple ladders systems running simultaneously, and all those ladders have people of similar skill level. If anything it promotes competitive vibe.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
BC.KoRn
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada567 Posts
May 22 2010 19:49 GMT
#224
Blizzard don't care what you guys think sorry, the fact of the matter is you're all going to buy the game and play it anyways ^ ^
chraej.
Profile Joined February 2010
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 19:53:56
May 22 2010 19:53 GMT
#225
On May 23 2010 04:41 Shade692003 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:28 chraej. wrote:
So very apt. Hopefully blizz will take notice.

having such a fragmented ladder really detracts from the competitive aspect of the game, trying to promote competition while equalizing everyone and making everyone feel like they are just as important/skilled as everyone else defeats the purpose of competitive ladder play.

I am also completely confused by the addition of a "diamond" league and removal of copper (how does diamond even fit in among the list of metals?). Seems like blizz is indeed trying to make everyone feel important by giving them all special titles.


You HAVE to stop thinking it's a global ladder that it's fragmented. Is the baseball "ladder" fragmented and player are being detracted from being competitive because of it? Absolutely not. Why would a small league player want to be compared to a major league baseball player anyway? They are in totally different skill park, so there is no point to compare them. The closest thing is multiple ladders systems running simultaneously, and all those ladders have people of similar skill level. If anything it promotes competitive vibe.


you are saying you do not think a universal ladder ranking would promote competition more than an ambiguous multi ladder system?

i would think at least having the option to see a universal ladder ranking would interest the majority of competitive players.

you would not be interested in your global placement?
from the ashes
CrabTrap
Profile Joined April 2010
United States34 Posts
May 22 2010 19:59 GMT
#226
/Signed
"I believe i can fly!" - Terran CC
mrkent
Profile Joined January 2010
United States160 Posts
May 22 2010 20:03 GMT
#227
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:

An eternal fan,
Gibybo


An eternal fan? Will you like blizzard even after you die?
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
May 22 2010 20:21 GMT
#228
for the humble bronze players like me the system is good as it is it gives you the feel that you can get somewhere to the top of division and then promote ,gives you an objective, thats all.

after all to see where we are in the entire league we already have the ratings.

Also I think that once you hit Diamond you should get the "real" competition and not a decaffeinated version , top players should be all together battling for the no1 , and why not replays of top players in the news section (XXX BEATS YYY AND TAKES Europe No1!!!) would be cool ^^.
IrT4nkz
Profile Joined May 2010
229 Posts
May 22 2010 20:24 GMT
#229
Only way I can see this happening is for a concurrent ladder to go alongside with divisions, since the global ladder ignores divisions, the server would have to do 2 calculations, one for within your division and one for the global ladder. Provided that each division does not have a pre-fixed value added when taken account into the global ladder position.
Beatus
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada101 Posts
May 22 2010 20:29 GMT
#230
/signed
?
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
May 22 2010 20:30 GMT
#231
Just make the pro-league, or perhaps diamond actually have a global ladder. I understand if soccer mom #454536 wants to feel like shes in 5th place in copper, but goddamn blizzard is fucking stupid. Make the elite ladder global and people won't complain.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
May 22 2010 20:32 GMT
#232
Yeah, not a big fan of the removal of the identifiers or facebook integration. Impossible to find anyone I had as a friend previously.
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
zekezagura
Profile Joined May 2010
United States38 Posts
May 22 2010 20:39 GMT
#233
Personally I think that some of this is good (like the identifiers which I really liked) but I really don't agree with the whole not having global rankings is horrible thing. Really if they did this global ranking system I think that would make people become more obscure and I really like the whole working your way up to #1 in your division thing. Although I am a lower ranked (gold after diamond was added) but I really like the feeling of making my way from #50 to #1 in my division.
Geeks will inherit the earth... they just dont care, all they care about is the next best thing that is coming out :)
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
May 22 2010 21:00 GMT
#234
On May 23 2010 04:53 chraej. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:41 Shade692003 wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:28 chraej. wrote:
So very apt. Hopefully blizz will take notice.

having such a fragmented ladder really detracts from the competitive aspect of the game, trying to promote competition while equalizing everyone and making everyone feel like they are just as important/skilled as everyone else defeats the purpose of competitive ladder play.

I am also completely confused by the addition of a "diamond" league and removal of copper (how does diamond even fit in among the list of metals?). Seems like blizz is indeed trying to make everyone feel important by giving them all special titles.


You HAVE to stop thinking it's a global ladder that it's fragmented. Is the baseball "ladder" fragmented and player are being detracted from being competitive because of it? Absolutely not. Why would a small league player want to be compared to a major league baseball player anyway? They are in totally different skill park, so there is no point to compare them. The closest thing is multiple ladders systems running simultaneously, and all those ladders have people of similar skill level. If anything it promotes competitive vibe.


you are saying you do not think a universal ladder ranking would promote competition more than an ambiguous multi ladder system?

i would think at least having the option to see a universal ladder ranking would interest the majority of competitive players.

you would not be interested in your global placement?


Yes, I'm saying that i don,t think an universal ladder ranking would not help promote competition, like I said, the skill range in Starcraft is very wide, there is no point to compare between leagues. A diamond player don't have to judge himself to other leagues, so a global ranking is useless to him.

And I care as much about my "global" ranking as a random hockey street player enthusiast is interested to see how he is placed compared to the NHL. There is no point really, they are in a whole other skill level.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 21:02:03
May 22 2010 21:01 GMT
#235
On May 23 2010 05:21 Meatloaf wrote:
for the humble bronze players like me the system is good as it is it gives you the feel that you can get somewhere to the top of division and then promote ,gives you an objective, thats all.

after all to see where we are in the entire league we already have the ratings.

Also I think that once you hit Diamond you should get the "real" competition and not a decaffeinated version , top players should be all together battling for the no1 , and why not replays of top players in the news section (XXX BEATS YYY AND TAKES Europe No1!!!) would be cool ^^.


Yeah even though I'm for the league system, which makes a lot more sense than a big fat single ladder everyone is in, divisions could see a rework.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 22 2010 21:03 GMT
#236
signed, lets make this known to blizz
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 22 2010 21:08 GMT
#237
Signed, completely agree with this.
I think a combo of leagues/divisions + the global rankings would do very well for the game, how exactly it can be combined I do not know, but I'll leave that up to your capable hands...
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
May 22 2010 21:09 GMT
#238
/signed
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Tedsta
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada5 Posts
May 22 2010 21:11 GMT
#239
couldn't find myself on that website =(
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
May 22 2010 21:19 GMT
#240
It's just the divisions I have an issue with really, having so many that they become completely meaningless at least. Great I can fight to be #1 of the one I'm in, but chances are that I won't actually ever play someone from my own division because there are so many to be matched up against...in which case, why does it even matter?

If I could choose between being #1 gold in the meaningless current system or #15097 gold in an absolute one where each league ranked people in order of rating, then I would choose the latter every single time.
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