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DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
May 22 2010 17:13 GMT
#201
+1, thanks for making starcraft rankings.com.
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
May 22 2010 17:13 GMT
#202
Signed and has my full support! Why can't they just be simple and effective like ICCUP.
shiroinohito
Profile Joined February 2010
United States38 Posts
May 22 2010 17:17 GMT
#203
/signed
cool site btw, how often does it update?
wooo...?
AdahnSC
Profile Joined March 2010
United States376 Posts
May 22 2010 17:17 GMT
#204
signed
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
May 22 2010 17:26 GMT
#205
Here's what I posted on the battle.net th read...

I support the idea of being able to toggle your personal view from divisional and global rankings. I find little reason anyone could argue otherwise- to simply give users the choice to view the information they desire in the way that pleases them would make everybody happy.

I'll even go as far to say that I'm fine with the default option being divisional rankings, but there is no reason that I know of to not allow us a choice.

Not so much digging the idea of "division rankings for everything except the top league," though. It's either got to be one way, the other, or both, for all leagues.
beep beep boop
Tenda
Profile Joined October 2009
United States146 Posts
May 22 2010 17:30 GMT
#206
/signed. i dont think anyone will disagree
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
May 22 2010 17:58 GMT
#207
Signed, fully agree with your point
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Squanto
Profile Joined May 2010
14 Posts
May 22 2010 18:09 GMT
#208
I'm in silver league 1v1 and I'm only getting matched with players much higher than me.. its really annoying. My last 3 games have been with gold league players. and My last game was with a person in his placement matches, but he was in diamond league 2v2. It's like impossible for me to win a game now, and really annoying to play now. Before I was getting an even rank maybe like 20-17, now im like 3-10. I've probably gotten an even match like once, and I've never been a favored player.
XeRoCrYSiS
Profile Joined May 2010
United States18 Posts
May 22 2010 18:35 GMT
#209
*signed and agreed. Thanks for everything Gibybo and your hard work. I love your site and how you put effort into it and I greatly appreciate it!
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 22 2010 18:37 GMT
#210
completely agreed
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
May 22 2010 18:38 GMT
#211
They won't make a global ranking because it's meaningless for 99% of the playerbase. Pretty much only platiniums players would care, because for everyone else being 10,509th doesn't tell much, and doesn't make you care about being in the ladder. If you're 200th of course you start to get interest, but that's because you're probably "in the league" with the top.

You just have to break this mentally of ladder, that accompanied most RTS and Blizzard's since pretty much forever.

Instead, think of sports (...esports?) leagues.

Look at baseball. There is :

Minor League
Little League
Junior League
Senior League
Big League
Major League (the MLB)

Says you have a kid playing in the minor league. Do you think he cares about his ranking, from every single baseball players around the USA? No he doesn't, what he cares about is performing well within his division. He wants to do well against other people from his league, and over time he might move up to another league, but the "goal" is not necessarily to be in the MLB (plat). If you're in silver/copper, that doesn't mean you fail, you are just in the skill group appropriate for you, and from there you can be competitive, within you're league, like everyone else. He knows a MLB team could rape him a new one, but that's not the point those players are "out of his league" and he knows it. A global ranking is then completely pointless, because the skill range is just too wide. It's the exact same thing with Starcraft. With this model everyone can be competitive, with the old one players who weren't in the top 1000th lost interest.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
May 22 2010 18:41 GMT
#212
/signed
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 22 2010 19:16 GMT
#213
well written, I couldn't agree more.

/signed
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
May 22 2010 19:18 GMT
#214
On May 23 2010 03:38 Shade692003 wrote:
They won't make a global ranking because it's meaningless for 99% of the playerbase. Pretty much only platiniums players would care, because for everyone else being 10,509th doesn't tell much, and doesn't make you care about being in the ladder. If you're 200th of course you start to get interest, but that's because you're probably "in the league" with the top.

You just have to break this mentally of ladder, that accompanied most RTS and Blizzard's since pretty much forever.

Instead, think of sports (...esports?) leagues.

Look at baseball. There is :

Minor League
Little League
Junior League
Senior League
Big League
Major League (the MLB)

Says you have a kid playing in the minor league. Do you think he cares about his ranking, from every single baseball players around the USA? No he doesn't, what he cares about is performing well within his division. He wants to do well against other people from his league, and over time he might move up to another league, but the "goal" is not necessarily to be in the MLB (plat). If you're in silver/copper, that doesn't mean you fail, you are just in the skill group appropriate for you, and from there you can be competitive, within you're league, like everyone else. He knows a MLB team could rape him a new one, but that's not the point those players are "out of his league" and he knows it. A global ranking is then completely pointless, because the skill range is just too wide. It's the exact same thing with Starcraft. With this model everyone can be competitive, with the old one players who weren't in the top 1000th lost interest.


They could make more plat/gold/silver etc. and have no divisions.
refraxion
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada88 Posts
May 22 2010 19:26 GMT
#215
Signed.

As an aside, sad to see so many people actually did switch over to terran. In my diamond division alone, I think more than 50% are terran now.
chraej.
Profile Joined February 2010
51 Posts
May 22 2010 19:28 GMT
#216
So very apt. Hopefully blizz will take notice.

having such a fragmented ladder really detracts from the competitive aspect of the game, trying to promote competition while equalizing everyone and making everyone feel like they are just as important/skilled as everyone else defeats the purpose of competitive ladder play.

I am also completely confused by the addition of a "diamond" league and removal of copper (how does diamond even fit in among the list of metals?). Seems like blizz is indeed trying to make everyone feel important by giving them all special titles.
from the ashes
Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
May 22 2010 19:30 GMT
#217
Signed // Please also include chat channels in within the first week of retail.


Thanks
twitch.tv/setz3r
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
May 22 2010 19:32 GMT
#218
Only problem is if it's low on players, it'll match you up with the same person after a game.
SORRY FOR FLAME:
I played this fucking noob a day ago, who's play style was just soo gay and cheesy he won me over like that (again sorry for flame). I rage quit calling me a fag, and I play him AGAIN after the matching system. Kind of an awkward and embarassing moment after I flamed him... (But I still won).

Again the main point is, you shouldn't play the same person 2 times in a row in a random ladder matchup.
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Attris
Profile Joined September 2009
United States175 Posts
May 22 2010 19:34 GMT
#219
/signed
Are you serious? |sRs| www.srejects.com
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
May 22 2010 19:36 GMT
#220
On May 23 2010 04:18 Zurles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 03:38 Shade692003 wrote:
They won't make a global ranking because it's meaningless for 99% of the playerbase. Pretty much only platiniums players would care, because for everyone else being 10,509th doesn't tell much, and doesn't make you care about being in the ladder. If you're 200th of course you start to get interest, but that's because you're probably "in the league" with the top.

You just have to break this mentally of ladder, that accompanied most RTS and Blizzard's since pretty much forever.

Instead, think of sports (...esports?) leagues.

Look at baseball. There is :

Minor League
Little League
Junior League
Senior League
Big League
Major League (the MLB)

Says you have a kid playing in the minor league. Do you think he cares about his ranking, from every single baseball players around the USA? No he doesn't, what he cares about is performing well within his division. He wants to do well against other people from his league, and over time he might move up to another league, but the "goal" is not necessarily to be in the MLB (plat). If you're in silver/copper, that doesn't mean you fail, you are just in the skill group appropriate for you, and from there you can be competitive, within you're league, like everyone else. He knows a MLB team could rape him a new one, but that's not the point those players are "out of his league" and he knows it. A global ranking is then completely pointless, because the skill range is just too wide. It's the exact same thing with Starcraft. With this model everyone can be competitive, with the old one players who weren't in the top 1000th lost interest.


They could make more plat/gold/silver etc. and have no divisions.


That they could, but the league system definitively have it's place. The divisions system in sports exists mainly because of geographical issues anyway. (East/West division in National Hockey League for instance).

I could see tournaments between top divisions like playoffs though.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
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