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Trebis
United States182 Posts
Poll: Poll: Zoom Out as a Spectator Feature Yes (274) No (20) Maybe: I'll explain in a comment (4) 298 total votes Your vote: Zoom Out as a Spectator Feature (Vote): Yes | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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Grape
145 Posts
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iDfyU
Germany45 Posts
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GiveMeFace
United Kingdom86 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
However as Blizzard has stated there would be huge performance issues if you zoom out too far. I guess the engine scales pretty linear and even though the units are further away from your camera point it still takes the same amount of performance to calculate everything for it. Thus there may be some huge issues when you have like the entire map visible. | ||
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ArdentZeal
Germany155 Posts
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TheOracle
Australia256 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
Similarly, while players might be able to distinguish certain similar units even at a farther distance than normal (Marauder / Marine; Zealot / Templar), spectators might not. In short, I think a very clear use-case scenario would first need to be presented before an argument for this feature could truly be warranted. Honestly I can't think of one personally, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. | ||
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Jaded
United States5 Posts
At the same time it would be very taxing on a CPU and for shoutcasting since most of the streams are low-medium quality it would be hard to follow battles other than what the commentator is telling you. I guess it would be nice but it depends on exactly how they implement it that would determine whether or not it would be a nice feature or a bad one. | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
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daewdasd
Germany64 Posts
On May 07 2010 21:03 ArdentZeal wrote: hm seems like a spectator feature which will be very likly to be hacked and used in normal games. I did vote for No because i fear the same. | ||
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Jaded
United States5 Posts
On May 07 2010 22:08 daewdasd wrote: I did vote for No because i fear the same. Blizzard seems serious on cracking down on hacking and I'm sure if they implemented this they would anticipate this as well and take steps to combat it. But at the same time it's blizzard and hackers are very clever. | ||
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Gozos
United States19 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
I've already seen an app that allows for this anyway. Hackers are going to hack, whether you put a feature in or not. It's not reason to bottle up potentially useful features. What next, we get rid of the map because someone might maphack it? | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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devolore
United States70 Posts
I don't think potential framerate issues should be too big of a concern as long as it's something the spectators have to actually make happen, computers will get better over time. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
Highly recommended feature ++++ | ||
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Jsingles
United States66 Posts
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Haathen
Hungary40 Posts
wtf... it takes like no time to make a hack for this even now how would it make hacking easier if spectators got the option in-game? even if blizzard manages to somehow encrypt these data successfully, which I really doubt, you will always be able to inspect the feature with a custom map... and if they manage to seperate the custom map camera from the ladder one, they can just do the same for the spectators so this seems such an invalid reason | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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MrRey
183 Posts
On May 07 2010 19:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: Anything that gives commentators more options on how to present content to viewers is good in my book. This. I know the view of blizzard on this topic but I really wished we could zoom out a bit in Starcraft 2  | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3691 Posts
I really like this idea, except it might be hard to see a group of zerglings running around the bottom of the map, as they are tiny and your sight range, so the zoom out should not be too dramatic. What would REALLY be amazing would be if you could see a little box (watching a replay) ON the map of where the user's viewpoint is. Think of the FP option but for both/ all players, so you could really see their awesome multi-task skills or where all their attention is diverted, what they're doing etc. The box could be the colour of the player and even have a representation in the minimap. But more zooming out sounds great | ||
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oLiKiMaH
Ukraine24 Posts
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On May 07 2010 22:43 valug wrote: Can you do this in the map editor? Playing games in UMS to allow spectators is nothing we aren't already use to. in war3 it was possible to do this for players, not sure about spectators though. since the editor is similar, i guess this could be done. but i prophecy that, aside from non-featured tournaments, there won't be many ums games with "normal" settings. just look at how it was in war3. if bnet features a strong ladder service, the reason for ums games is practically gone. | ||
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
On May 07 2010 21:03 ArdentZeal wrote: hm seems like a spectator feature which will be very likly to be hacked and used in normal games. This already exists. I'm sure adding it into the game wouldn't make a difference. In fact I think that sometime in the future a larger zoom effect will be standard in RTS games. The technology has to catch up though I'm sure it eats up a ton of processing power. | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
The reason why is because the game window shows what the players see, which is something I can appreciate as a viewer. Also, the movement of the camera is good because the lack of movement is good. What I mean by this is say in a sport like hockey where you have a fixed camera view that moves with the puck its great to see the fast paced game where the camera is moving around, but then you know when that camera is stopped at the goal and 5 guys are there trying to hit it in its an awesome feeling. I think the same thing can happen with a SC2 battle, where the camera is looking at various bases, but then you focus in on a battle and show whats going on and you see that crazy micro that puts the player on top, it'll be a great feeling. All in all, as a player and a viewer I like the view size, and I think zooming out would ruin it (even though I'm 100% sure there will be custom made maps where observers can zoom out) | ||
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bakesale
United States187 Posts
For those of you arguing against watching a game from far away, you do know that you can zoom in/out to the min/max as you please, right? | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
Some sort of rendering rules need to be implemented so that decent performance is possible while zoomed out first, i.e. cutting certain effects when far away, scaling down model/texture detail at distances, etc. The engine was never intended to handle large ass views, as demonstrated by many of the "MMO" UMS maps | ||
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Zed03
Canada112 Posts
For example, if the hold down a button, the view will zoom out, and when they release it'll snap back in. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Therapist.
United States207 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2743 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2743 Posts
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seRapH
United States9719 Posts
i just hope commentators and observers won't overuse this feature when casting or streaming. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
Would probably need to clone the statistics tabs, though, since it isn't of the same game type. | ||
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Trebis
United States182 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:16 Zed03 wrote: Yes BUT it should snap back to regular view immediately. Kind of like the pivot camera buttons. For example, if the hold down a button, the view will zoom out, and when they release it'll snap back in. I actually like this idea a lot. I feel like the "default" view for a spectator should USUALLY be the same size as what a player can see, but I like the option of letting a commentator zoom out slightly to see a larger part of the battle field. I could see this being very useful in a 2-front battle kind of situation. I just watched the Razer Domination finals with Dimaga vs Demuslim, and there was a time on blistering sands where demuslim was parking his units right between Dimaga's natural and gold mineral patches. Dimaga had his units split between the two bases, and it would have been awesome to see the entire battle without having to dart back and fourth. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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Niten
United States598 Posts
Would this work Supreme Commander style where you zoom so far out you can see iconic blocks of color representing each player's units/buildings? Or would you just be able to zoom out far enough to see the whole map on one screen? I just think that the more specific we can be about what we think would be cool, the easier it'd be for Blizz to incorporate said idea. | ||
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blyn
Canada57 Posts
The problem being that the quality for unit models/terrain would probably have to be scaled down dynamically to adjust for the increased amount that can be seen. Most games will implement some form of this (see geomipmapping or mipmapping) to change the level of detail depending on how close you are. Yes there is a feasible limit on units (supply cap), but keep in mind that i'm a little worried about the terrain as well. As an RTS i doubt the current sc2 engine supports changes to the level of detail (please someone correct me if i'm wrong). And I don't think it would be an easy thing to include at this point. Perhaps not incredibly hard, but it would require at least the attention of a couple of developers for a month's time. Presumably not a resource blizzard is heavy on at the moment. | ||
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Xinliben
United States931 Posts
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