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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:24 beetlelisk wrote: I think he believed YOU HAVE TO spam move. You don't  You do (and properly, I might add) if you don't want your Phoenixes to look like the ones in that video >.> That's not micro at all. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:24 beetlelisk wrote: I think he believed YOU HAVE TO spam move. You don't That's hardly optimal micro that is shown in the video. A good player could do much better than that. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3139 Posts
I think he believed YOU HAVE TO spam move. You don't Reposted from the other thread: The micro in the second video above is terrible. Running the Phoenix past the Mutas repeatedly just lets the Mutas constantly pound on them. There's pretty much no difference between what the guy in the video does, and what would happen if you just attack-moved...except you can't focus fire at all, so it's actually worse. The proper way to Phoenix micro is to run the Phoenix around just out of range of the Mutas, so that the Phoenix can attack them without being attacked themselves. THIS way, the Phoenix are quite deadly. ...and it actually requires micro to be useful. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
As long as you don't fly through them you always not only outrange mutas but escape because Phoenixes are faster! Same goes for chasing Mutas down! | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:29 beetlelisk wrote: Guys I know he's flying through those mutas, I'm saying he used literally 3? commands during whole video. I thought you would have to at least spam move to prevent Phoenixes from decelerating! You will need to keep your phoenixes in a pretty narrow radius realtive to the mutas to avoid getting hit and hit them at the same time. It will require much use of the move command becasue you will have to fine-tune the position of the phoenixes and respond to how the mutas are moving. If that was what you meant. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:29 beetlelisk wrote: Guys I know he's flying through those mutas, I'm saying he used literally 3? commands during whole video. I thought you would have to at least spam move to prevent Phoenixes from decelerating! As long as you don't fly through them you always not only outrange mutas but escape because Phoenixes are faster! Same goes for chasing Mutas down! It's the exact same effect as with a single Attack move >.> Also, Phoenixes cost more, and take longer to make. That generally means you'll be outnumber their phoenixes, so simply turning around while being chased will catch the opponent off guard and take some hits. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
The way I see this now I hope this is a temporary solution. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:24 beetlelisk wrote: I think he believed YOU HAVE TO spam move. You don't that video proves absolutely nothing. i made the same map (4 phoenix 6 muta) and did the normal attack move strat and the results were better. | ||
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
Phoenixes shouldn't flip backward and fire shots off while moving forward without losing momentum. This is just stupid. They can design some unit that does this if they want but don't artificially create completely inane mechanics like this. | ||
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Lollersauce
United States357 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:35 beetlelisk wrote: I hope this is a way to discourage Korean Zerg players from going mass Spine Crawler into mass Muta against Protoss and encourage to use different strategies. The way I see this now I hope this is a temporary solution. What different strategies are we speaking of here? Mass hydra/roach? What other units can compete with forcefield? Edit: what they actually did was shut down one option (mutas) and give us absolutely jack squat as a trade off. ZvP is now pretty much hydras and roaches period. With a few speedlings in the early game. Yeehaw. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
anyone who agrees this is a good change to pheonix is a fucking idiot and i can care less who u are. anyone with a brain can see how imbalanced that shit is and how stupid looking it is. you cant even call something like that micro. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:34 Zeke50100 wrote: It's the exact same effect as with a single Attack move >.> I don't understand you I'm sorry. Also, Phoenixes cost more, and take longer to make. That generally means you'll be outnumber their phoenixes, so simply turning around while being chased will catch the opponent off guard and take some hits. I'm not sure if I understand everything here also, their gas cost is the same which is enough because they are not only faster but also have bigger range. It doesn't seem to me running away is going to be a problem... unless Zerg makes some Infestors maybe. | ||
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Lollersauce
United States357 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:39 beetlelisk wrote: unless Zerg makes some Infestors maybe. Yeah infestors are really convenient when chasing after air battles against the fastest air unit in the game. Also lol. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
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Lollersauce
United States357 Posts
On May 07 2010 09:42 beetlelisk wrote: even you have spells or tech that is easier and more powerful to use. Such as? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:08 SWPIGWANG wrote: I don't think gitching with the patrol key is really a sane way to design a modern RTS around. to make full use of move-shot, you want to move in and out according to your cooldown cycle anyways. Give it some time to see how it plays out. As for the funny look, its protoss, they are allows to break physics..... Since when is turning around while moving one way breaking physics? Have you tried to walk facing forward and then turn and walk backward? | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
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deadalnix
France120 Posts
Quite unexpected, really different than what we are are talking about when we say moving shot, but why not ? This is actually requiring micro to be usefull (at its full potential). I'm quite curious about this. This is the kind of things I like to see, and I'm pretty sure we will see some nice game with it (I'm thinking about PvZ). | ||
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