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Gapato
Profile Joined April 2010
France43 Posts
April 26 2010 15:00 GMT
#141
Blizzard might consider this version of Battle.net to be 2.0, but honestly, even not being part of the beta, I can't see any progress from the good old one. Once again, half-arsed, hypocritical arguments (like the no-lan thingy) to try to justify their greed. To bad I'm already addicted to SC2
In the name of the submarine
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 26 2010 15:03 GMT
#142
I have absolutely no understanding at all for this decision. I can't see a single positive thing about it.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Hasire
Profile Joined February 2010
United States125 Posts
April 26 2010 15:04 GMT
#143
On April 26 2010 23:55 Stropheum wrote:
I'm thinking it's mostly just for beta, because they're working on a lot of seperate servers and having say too many player playing on the asia server would just mean worse lag than players are already experiencing. Once they get more servers up and running it might just be one big system


Read the quote, thats not the case.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 15:04:33
April 26 2010 15:04 GMT
#144
No channels and now that ...
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
April 26 2010 15:29 GMT
#145
It's not so much it'll hurt esports. It's the fact it'll hurt balance.

Zerg are Strong in Korea, Weak in America.

They won't get stronger in America until they can sample Korean Zerg play and adapt and vise versa. You can't balance it region by region, it just doesn't work that way.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 15:39:38
April 26 2010 15:33 GMT
#146
How on earth are international tournaments supposed to happen with this system ?

Will blizzard implement some sort of LAN mode for tournament organizers or will the organizer just have to buy like 128 copies of SC2 from the same region so that all can compete on the same gateway?

This will hold back SC2 so much

I really hope Blizzard changes their mind in the near future

Edit: And how can they use high latency as an argument for this ? Has the technology moved backwards since SC:BW ?? You could play pretty much lagfree as a euro on US servers with lan latency plugin.

I don't understand


If they don't want to split up the players between the ladders and possibly getting lag, why not allow Custom Games on any given gateway and make ladder play gateway-exclusive, this way international tournaments will still be able to happen without any issue.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 26 2010 15:43 GMT
#147
On April 24 2010 14:38 GreggSauce wrote:
seriously? 99% of the people here don't understand why this isn't possible?

the lag is tremendous right now going between regions, blizzard doesn't have the resources necessary to refresh their servers and build infrastructure to handle all of this and keep it relatively lag free and competitive

ESPECIALLY for a damn pay once game

get over it people

Then could you explain why many people currently play on multiple servers without issue?
Lollersauce
Profile Joined April 2010
United States357 Posts
April 26 2010 16:10 GMT
#148
It's really Battle.net 0.2 -_-
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
April 26 2010 16:39 GMT
#149
I am super exited that there will be localized servers, I remember trying to play competitively in WoW and it was impossible as there were no Oceanic servers and I had like 10 times the latency as everyone else.
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
April 26 2010 16:56 GMT
#150
On April 25 2010 03:12 Mohdoo wrote:
What sort of delay are people from the US getting to Euro server right now? I live in Oregon. I plan on simply buying 2 copies if they don't reverse this decision by then. Is it playable?


Well, I'm from europe playing on the US server and there's a little less delay than I'd get with bnet latency in brood war. Actually, quite a bit less delay. I haven't played a single laggy game (one to the point of stuttering or drop screen anyway) as a result of high ping between me and my opponent. It's not exactly lan latency but its more than playable.

This is the worst thing ever, by the way. Looks like I'm going to have to import the goddamn game because every one of my friends who plays Starcraft is from the US.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
April 26 2010 17:02 GMT
#151
Players: But I want to play with [insert different color skin than your own] friends!
Blizzard: No talking between the front and back of the bus!
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
April 26 2010 17:36 GMT
#152
we all know this is for money making purposes only, just like how lan was taken out and just like how they refuse to give terms to KeSPA that everyone can agree with. They really think that the e-sports community will pop out on its own, without any support from them, and while this happens, they will rake in the dollars due to their right to control what tournements take place, etc.

blizzard has never been for e-sports. e-sports really takes alot of money, setting up infrastructure and marketing schemes and a financial stake they are too unwilling to take. there is no way blizzard would gamble millions of dollars setting up something like korea has with a chance of failure.
they are not for e-sports. segregating the community? how does that help foster a international gaming scene that hopes to be competitive as sc:bw in korea?

no no no..
i dont know how blizzard is like this.
HoN can do it with their game system, choosing different regions to play in, ( a free game currently btw) but Blizzard with all its resources behind it cant??

its a disaster on epic proportions.
IMO, i think we don't have enough hardcore gamers and fans in one region to support any sort of e-sports without the cooperation with the europeans at least...
ugh im so sad...
sc2 wasn't too bad of a game either.. its pretty fun right now.
i just think they are limiting themselves on the full potential this game can reach.

i also wonder... for like WCG... do they have to go through bnet to play each other??
why bnet... when everyone is together... lan is just so much more stable.. and quicker..
i just dont get it.

blizzard is making a huge mistake... i hope they realize immediate sales of the games is important too.. but so is the longevity and staying loyal to their fans. Across the lifetime of bw, i am sure i am not alone in saying.. i have bought so many copies of SC due to losing cd-keys. their method of limiting you to one region per key really forces you to buy multiple keys which is good in the short term... but it really pisses off a lot of their hardcore fans who would end up buying 5+ copies in the first place without this incentive.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 26 2010 17:48 GMT
#153
What about players who have friends in other servers that they have played games with forever :S.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 18:01:02
April 26 2010 18:00 GMT
#154
On April 27 2010 00:04 Boblion wrote:
No channels and now that ...


No chat channels at launch. No connecting to other regions envisioned EVER.

I'm absolutely speechless. Their decission just boggles the mind.
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Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
April 26 2010 19:09 GMT
#155
On April 27 2010 02:36 Garaman wrote:
we all know this is for money making purposes only, just like how lan was taken out and just like how they refuse to give terms to KeSPA that everyone can agree with. They really think that the e-sports community will pop out on its own, without any support from them, and while this happens, they will rake in the dollars due to their right to control what tournements take place, etc.


get lost with this nonsense. Blizzard don't care about random people running tournaments, they care about BUSINESSES like kespa running tournaments and raking in profits from THEIR work without paying any royalties. I don't have much comment on everything else you've said but it seriously brings my piss to a boil when people talk about blizzards situation with kespa as if its going to be the benchmark for every tournament ever run involving SC2.
mwkim720
Profile Joined December 2008
United States6 Posts
April 26 2010 19:37 GMT
#156
On April 27 2010 00:29 Qikz wrote:
It's not so much it'll hurt esports. It's the fact it'll hurt balance.

Zerg are Strong in Korea, Weak in America.

They won't get stronger in America until they can sample Korean Zerg play and adapt and vise versa. You can't balance it region by region, it just doesn't work that way.


I strongly agree with him. Kinda crazy idea by Blizzard. Can't understand at all.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 26 2010 19:46 GMT
#157
I'm not sure I believe that Blizzard is doing this for "latency issues." If that was the case, couldn't you just put in a latency checker in the auto-matchmaking system? Or is that too difficult for Blizzard nowadays?
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
April 26 2010 19:54 GMT
#158
fastest way to heed the progression of esport
MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
April 26 2010 20:11 GMT
#159
And it's not like they don't have any other forms of income atm (I'm looking at you WoW) to just do this for money..
It may sound like a cliche, but it really feels like Activision is influencing Blizzard in a very wrong way
r4sk3n
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium26 Posts
April 26 2010 22:52 GMT
#160

It may sound like a cliche, but it really feels like Activision is influencing Blizzard in a very wrong way


^This
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Just look at WoW after their merge, you can now buy ingame mounts and pets for real money?!
Blizzard used to be true to their customers :<

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