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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2010 15:51 GMT
#141
I actually wonder what kind of database Blizzard is using for bnet2.0. Most of this stuff imo shouldn't happen with a modern database. Doesn't seem like they are simply using one of the thoroughly tested and mostly bugfree database systems that are available free or commercially. I'm not THAT experienced on this, but it sure seems to be a bit too buggy.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
April 18 2010 15:52 GMT
#142
On April 18 2010 09:48 Kare wrote:
I really hope the patch will come soon. For me, starcraft 2 is actually quite horrible.. as said in previous posts, mass up units and a move and maybe throw in some forcefields or emps/storms and thats it.


Pretty sure SC2 protoss has more micro than SCBW protoss outside of the replacement of the reaver with the colossus.

It's zerg, terran, and high ground advantage that has degenerated.
Wake up Mr. B!
lolreaper
Profile Joined April 2010
301 Posts
April 18 2010 15:53 GMT
#143
On April 19 2010 00:52 ccou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 09:48 Kare wrote:
I really hope the patch will come soon. For me, starcraft 2 is actually quite horrible.. as said in previous posts, mass up units and a move and maybe throw in some forcefields or emps/storms and thats it.


Pretty sure SC2 protoss has more micro than SCBW protoss outside of the replacement of the reaver with the colossus.
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lol?
ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
April 18 2010 16:04 GMT
#144
On April 19 2010 00:53 lolreaper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 00:52 ccou wrote:
On April 18 2010 09:48 Kare wrote:
I really hope the patch will come soon. For me, starcraft 2 is actually quite horrible.. as said in previous posts, mass up units and a move and maybe throw in some forcefields or emps/storms and thats it.


Pretty sure SC2 protoss has more micro than SCBW protoss outside of the replacement of the reaver with the colossus.
.

lol?


Do you disagree?

zealots are pretty much still zealots... unless you're good enough to manually manage charge which means it's more micro. Stalkers are more micro than dragoons if blink is utilized. SCBW didn't even have sentry micro at all. Smart cast isn't that big of a deal when it comes to storms and you have feedback now. Immortals, another unit not present in SCBW, do such huge bonus damage to armored, you'll lose sooo much dps if you don't micro them. Phase prism has more to do than regular shuttle. Phoenices/gravitron is equal or more micro than corsair/web.
Wake up Mr. B!
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:09:46
April 18 2010 16:07 GMT
#145
On April 19 2010 01:04 ccou wrote:
zealots are pretty much still zealots... unless you're good enough to manually manage charge which means it's more micro.


Zealot have autosurrond, so they fight without micro. In SC1 you do micro with zealots and zerlings individually in awesome melee battles. In SC2 not.

AutoSurround kills the melee battle.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:12:35
April 18 2010 16:09 GMT
#146
Pretty sure phoenix/gravitron isn't half as much micro as corsair/web - smart casting makes any kind of spellcasting a lot easier.

Also, push breaking (spreading zealots between tanks, shuttle bombing, shuttle storming etc) is more or less gone.

That's not to say that I think P is easy or anything now, using all your chrono energy late game, and constantly warping in units seems like it would take A LOT of management, and there's a lot of room for mobility abuse with warp prisms etc.

On April 18 2010 09:13 KinosJourney2 wrote:
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On April 18 2010 03:21 Wintermute wrote:
On April 18 2010 01:12 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Lies, my profile was just reset after i got DC'd while playing Custom games.

I had done all my Placement matches and was 47th place in Bronze, now my account is wiped. This is sooo stupid


How are you EVER going to get back to 47th in Bronze now?


That was not my point, i didn't even do good but the fact that i have to redo my Placement matches is what is frustrating. No need to be so blunt

Yeah, I hate taking placement games -.-
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
April 18 2010 16:11 GMT
#147
On April 19 2010 01:07 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:04 ccou wrote:
zealots are pretty much still zealots... unless you're good enough to manually manage charge which means it's more micro.


Zealot have autosurrond, so they fight without micro. In SC1 you do micro with zealots and zerlings individually in awesome melee battles. In SC2 not.

There is still micro for you to do. It's just different. Arguably, it's less important.

The unit AI is still extremely primitive, it's just not as ridiculously incompetent at basic things as in the original.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 18 2010 16:13 GMT
#148
On April 19 2010 01:11 Funchucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:07 haitike wrote:
On April 19 2010 01:04 ccou wrote:
zealots are pretty much still zealots... unless you're good enough to manually manage charge which means it's more micro.


Zealot have autosurrond, so they fight without micro. In SC1 you do micro with zealots and zerlings individually in awesome melee battles. In SC2 not.

There is still micro for you to do. It's just different. Arguably, it's less important.

The unit AI is still extremely primitive, it's just not as ridiculously incompetent at basic things as in the original.

Funnily enough, the AI for repairing or going around obstacles is worse in SC2 than in SC1. What I mean by this is, if you order a unit to repair in SC1 and it's blocked, if you click repair a few times it will try to find a way around whatever unit is blocking it... whereas in SC2 the stupid SCV will just stand there until you manage guide it around the friendly scv in its way.

Same when you try to enter bunkers, quite frustrating.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 18 2010 16:26 GMT
#149
Yeah, I've lost a few games because the AI for entering bunkers is inexplicably bad. =[
ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:34:42
April 18 2010 16:32 GMT
#150
On April 19 2010 01:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Pretty sure phoenix/gravitron isn't half as much micro as corsair/web - smart casting makes any kind of spellcasting a lot easier.

Also, push breaking (spreading zealots between tanks, shuttle bombing, shuttle storming etc) is more or less gone.

That's not to say that I think P is easy or anything now, using all your chrono energy late game, and constantly warping in units seems like it would take A LOT of management, and there's a lot of room for mobility abuse with warp prisms etc.


yeah, I guess that's probably true about the smart casting, I'll rescind that... on second thought it is easier. I'm not sure about the lack of spreading micro since you still need to spread against emp, but decrease in PvT battle micro is more due to the degeneration of terran than changes in protoss. Mech with tanks being a uncompetitive unit instead of bio, the removal of spider mines, and essentially the removal of high ground just decreases map area control in PvT.

EDIT: actually sorry for taking the thread on a tangent.
Wake up Mr. B!
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
April 18 2010 16:34 GMT
#151
On April 19 2010 01:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Yeah, I hate taking placement games -.-


As someone who got dropped from two placement matches, I happily welcome the reset. -__-
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2716 Posts
April 18 2010 16:36 GMT
#152
Me too. I was dropped from two game in last placement.

I Hope Blizzard fix the "you have been dropped" bug.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 18 2010 16:38 GMT
#153
On April 19 2010 01:34 Mannerheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Yeah, I hate taking placement games -.-


As someone who got dropped from two placement matches, I happily welcome the reset. -__-

Yeah but you see, this is what I fear will happen everytime I take placement games :D
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
April 18 2010 16:38 GMT
#154
On April 19 2010 01:36 haitike wrote:
Me too. I was dropped from two game in last placement.

I Hope Blizzard fix the "you have been dropped" bug.


is there a bug that causes you to drop? i only encountered this when i had a regular disconnect...
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
April 18 2010 16:44 GMT
#155
On April 19 2010 01:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:34 Mannerheim wrote:
On April 19 2010 01:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Yeah, I hate taking placement games -.-


As someone who got dropped from two placement matches, I happily welcome the reset. -__-

Yeah but you see, this is what I fear will happen everytime I take placement games :D


Doesn't really matter. I disconnected two placement games last reset and ended up in silver. Took me a day to get back up to plat.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
April 18 2010 16:50 GMT
#156
On April 19 2010 01:38 green.at wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:36 haitike wrote:
Me too. I was dropped from two game in last placement.

I Hope Blizzard fix the "you have been dropped" bug.


is there a bug that causes you to drop? i only encountered this when i had a regular disconnect...


I think there is:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23710461640&sid=5010
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038449372&sid=5000
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24261279708&sid=5000

Whenever I get dropped, no other apps (IM, net radio, IRC) disconnect, so I doubt it's the connection.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 17:28:12
April 18 2010 16:51 GMT
#157
would really want to know what they do with the eu database. it seems it went totally nuts now.

i got reset for the 3rd time now. kept my pic, friendlist gone and profile shows some weird curizo or whatever guy in copper. the last were atleast kinda full resets. but this is just crazy. esp since it seems like it happened to half of my friendslist in the last 2-3 days.

cant wait for the patch.

/edit

30 minutes later after 4th relog and 3 different profiles i have my stats/friends back. lucky me. 22 teams with guys that got reset too are fukked tho.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:59:31
April 18 2010 16:56 GMT
#158
Yep, EU is crazy now, everytime I login I get different guy's profile, after while I got into mine, first it was completely reset, afterwards I got my friends back. And the best thing, got dropped in 1st placement match against complete noob, yay!
Edit: Now cannot login at all, cannot connect to character (null).(null)
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 18 2010 17:08 GMT
#159
On April 19 2010 01:44 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 01:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 19 2010 01:34 Mannerheim wrote:
On April 19 2010 01:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Yeah, I hate taking placement games -.-


As someone who got dropped from two placement matches, I happily welcome the reset. -__-

Yeah but you see, this is what I fear will happen everytime I take placement games :D


Doesn't really matter. I disconnected two placement games last reset and ended up in silver. Took me a day to get back up to plat.

Look on the bright side, you get to enter Platinum with a padded record. =P
RPGabe
Profile Joined January 2010
United States192 Posts
April 18 2010 17:12 GMT
#160
Last reset, I was doing my 2v2 placement matches and had my random partner disconnect twice, and then had one legitimate loss. I was placed in Bronze.

I played 50 games that weekend to get back to platinum just to avoid the shame.
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