Care to elaborate on how you say EG is "better than everyone"? Their star player hasn't won anything in years and the rest of their team would be struggle to get top 8 in almost any international event. Puma took a major downgrade in practice partners for some quick cash. He managed to win $50,000 as a result of his training in TSL. He's going to need a pretty damn good salary on EG to make up for his tournament winnings plummeting after a few months of training with NA players.
Ask any member of EG and they will agree that they are significantly worse than Korean professionals right now. Even Idra has said that Koreans are way, way ahead of everyone right now. And Alex from EG mentioned that Puma will be training in the EG house in Korea.
Going from an (obviously) great coach + great practice partners + KR ladder to ----> (Does EG even have a coach?) + practice partners Puma greatly outclasses, except for Idra, whom he somewhat outclasses + **NA ladder** is bound to harshly impact his ability to keep up with Korean power houses who continue to train as hard as they can on Korean teams. And even though they are international events, the only real contenders will be Korean trained players. It doesn't matter if he's better than all of NA or EU. They aren't his real opponents at events.
I think he is talking in terms of attitude and not in-game skill.
Mohdoo probably knew that, but wanted to get his EG hate rant out like everyone else seems to want to do today.
Apparently every member of EG is shit and it's 100% impossible to improve in that team etc etc.
I never said that its impossible. However, since the release of SC2, the players of EG have been losing ground consistently to the Korean scene. Idra hasn't won a tournament in forever. Machine and Incontrol don't seem to be able to take games from Koreans anymore. Its not exactly a stretch to say that it seems like they may not be as good of practice partners and that they certainly provide a much worse atmosphere.
uhh literally every Korean I've played I either beat em or took 1 of 3 games
Wat? From liquipedia.
11-01-14 FXO StS Invitational (?) (P)oGsHero Loss 11-01-14 FXO StS Invitational (?) (P)oGsHero Loss
11-04-23 FXO Invitational #3 Unknown (T)TheStC Loss 11-04-23 FXO Invitational #3 Unknown (T)TheStC Loss
I don't think he meant literally literally. He has beating top Koreans and lost to top Koreans. MLG Columbus is a good example.
That's true, don't be hard on the guy. Don't you guys remember when he managed to take a game off of Losira when Losira's keyboard went kaput? He also made it clear that Losira was very much so a douchebag for having this unfortunate event happen to him during game.
Give iNcontroL some slack!
Again lies, iNc said he was annoyed at the fact that losira was like "yea my keyboard broke but it was still easy" sorta attitude, he wasnt upset at losira for his keyboard breaking.
dude Losira almost beat inc with mouse only wtf u are talking about T_T
I know that. I never said anything to the contrary. What i was disputing was the statement that "incontrol called losira a douchebag because his keyboard broke" which was not the case.
iNcontrol was bothered by the fact that after the match losira said something along the lines of " I beat him with just my mouse" its not the fact it happened, it was like kicking someone while their down.
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
i lvoe when progamers talk down to the entire community...makes me feel all warm and cozzy inside...kind of reminds me of lebron.
When has lebron "spoke down to the entire community". This is just hate from left field that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Also, he didn't talk down to the community, he stated a fact. This is his life. It is not your life. This is a fact.
Wheat always puts on great discussion on Weapon of Choice, but after reading the comments on today's show, I think I'll have to avoid the vods completely just to avoid getting myself needlessly angry. Keep on doing what you do Wheat, I don't think anyone can truly blame you, but hopefully this is just all a learning experience in the end.
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
How dare you. What gives you the right to assume people here aren't as passionate about Esports as you, and that it isn't as much a part of their lives?
Your ignorance is disgusting, and this is coming from a long time fan of your work. This entitled attitude that you and some of the members of your team seem to sport is what created this mess in the first place, and instead of taking steps towards resolution you make broad offensive sweeping statements.
InControl, your better then this man.
Your income and livelihood don't depend on this game. His does. Hes not talking about passion, hes talking about a career.
Gaming is my life, and I make my living off of gaming the games industry. I have competed in gaming tournaments as a source of income, and I am well versed in the ins and outs of the industry as it's part of my job.
iNcontrol has every right to defend himself as a gamer and a person and he is entitled to his opinion. It however bothers me that he makes the assumption that no one else is as qualified to speak because no one else understands his situation. He is making the assumption it isn't as much apart of our lives, and that is wrong.
He could have just as easily said "I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Gaming is my life and career so I take it very seriously, please try and appreciate that." and offended no one.
I have tons of respect for iNcontrol as a person and gamer, and the hardships he's endured to get where he is. It's completely offensive for him to assume none of us have gone through the same. I feel he is in a unique position to help mend this situation instead of just creating more problems.
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
i lvoe when progamers talk down to the entire community...makes me feel all warm and cozzy inside...kind of reminds me of lebron.
When has lebron "spoke down to the entire community". This is just hate from left field that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Also, he didn't talk down to the community, he stated a fact. This is his life. It is not your life. This is a fact.
Lebron had some dumb comments especially after the finals loss. Came of as extremely arrogant and condescending.
But to be on topic can't really blame incontrol for showing some pride about his gaming.
On July 22 2011 09:54 shavi wrote: Milkis starts making a perfect point and Wheat cuts him off. t.t
Well, his allegiance is to the foreign team of course. The guy was not even given the opportunity respond to the personal attacks. The moderator kept dropping expletives every now and then whenever he chanced it...furnish further grist for their mills...It seemed like he was set up to get attacked, unfortunately...
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
Defending yourself is fine, but don't say you "literally" beat or took games off every Korean you played when Liquipedia clearly states that is not true. Gotta use dat English degree for something at least!
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
Defending yourself is fine, but don't say you "literally" beat or took games off every Korean you played when Liquipedia clearly states that is not true. Gotta use dat English degree for something at least!
Personally after hearing EG's standpoint from Alex, I feel he really didn't really give a shit about Milkis point or even take the cultural diversity seriously. He rode the business aspect of it the whole show and started to call out Milkis on not getting his comment on the situation. Milkis reported news as he found it and it made EG look bad and I think Alex putting the spotlight on Milkis towards the end may have been a way to shift the attention. I have lost some respect for EG, I think they value their ROI over everything else.
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
Defending yourself is fine, but don't say you "literally" beat or took games off every Korean you played when Liquipedia clearly states that is not true. Gotta use dat English degree for something at least!
dude..... seriously......
Sorry yo, I just don't like blatantly untrue statements.
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
Defending yourself is fine, but don't say you "literally" beat or took games off every Korean you played when Liquipedia clearly states that is not true. Gotta use dat English degree for something at least!
dude..... seriously......
Sorry yo, I just don't like blatantly untrue statements.
Gotta wage that war of truth!!
Just being a little pedantic?
I suppose being techincally correct is the best kind of correct
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
Defending yourself is fine, but don't say you "literally" beat or took games off every Korean you played when Liquipedia clearly states that is not true. Gotta use dat English degree for something at least!
dude..... seriously......
Sorry yo, I just don't like blatantly untrue statements.
Gotta wage that war of truth!!
Just being a little pedantic?
I suppose being techincally correct is the best kind of correct
Yep. Like our good friend Geoff I am also the owner of a useless 50K piece of paper (BA English) Sometimes my pedantic nature gets the best of me.
Does everyone feel comfortable with wheat throwing the word "fuck" around way too much and needlessly?He looks like a very immature adolescent every time he does that, it's not like it offends me or anything, just feels retarded to listen to that.
On July 22 2011 15:00 TYJ.Aoy wrote: Does everyone feel comfortable with wheat throwing the word "fuck" around way too much and needlessly?He looks like a very immature adolescent every time he does that, it's not like it offends me or anything, just feels retarded to listen to that.
On July 22 2011 15:00 TYJ.Aoy wrote: Does everyone feel comfortable with wheat throwing the word "fuck" around way too much and needlessly?He looks like a very immature adolescent every time he does that, it's not like it offends me or anything, just feels retarded to listen to that.
that, like the topics discussed, is a cultural thing.
to me, cussing like that is just normal, and has no implication on somebody's maturity, but i can def understand why you feel that way
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
How dare you. What gives you the right to assume people here aren't as passionate about Esports as you, and that it isn't as much a part of their lives?
Your ignorance is disgusting, and this is coming from a long time fan of your work. This entitled attitude that you and some of the members of your team seem to sport is what created this mess in the first place, and instead of taking steps towards resolution you make broad offensive sweeping statements.
InControl, your better then this man.
I can't actually tell if you're being sarcastic or not.....
On July 22 2011 10:39 djWHEAT wrote: Let me begin by saying... I knew this was going to be a tough show. So if some of you want to take one or two things that happened in this show and judge me based on that... then I guess I can't stop you.
I made plenty of mistakes while moderating. And I thought everyone (including Milkis) wanted to hear AG's side of the story (which we got plenty of - and I for one was happy to learn new details about the deal/approach). As that topic began to close and somehow we got on the topic of "how do teams do business", I quickly realized that I was pretty much fucked.
Why?
Cause Milkis admitted that he has basically no knowledge of eSports out of Korea.
So suddenly, I'm sitting here going, well fuck. How in the fuck do you let two guys argue over something will OBVIOUSLY take two VERY DIFFERENT paths. I don't even think Milkis knows that EG has contracted Street Fighter players, etc, and I'm not sure Alex realizes just how deep Milkis' BW roots go.
Want to know how I know this statement is 100% true?
Because we can pinpoint the exact moment this happened.
1 hour 21 minutes and 50 seconds into Part 1 of this vod.
Watch the look of supremely silent horror spread across Wheat's face as he realizes he just walked into Fuckville.
This look is quickly followed up by the classic Tay Zonday 2007 "I move away from the mic so I can breathe" maneuver indicative of someone who desperately wants to stop what could be a trainwreck in progress. Except maybe in this case its more of "I move away from the mic so I can ...SON OF A BITCH WHAT HAVE I DONE?"
The body language says it all.
<3 DjWheat.
You're a good man, you tried your best. We live, we learn, and we move on.
Due to popular demand i went ahead and compiled all the sponsors EG has listed on their website. So if anyone wants to boycott their products here they are:
Intel, Steel Series, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, In Win development Inc, 6 pool gaming, BigFoot Networks, Split Reason Clothing, Inferno Online, G7 Teams, NFO Servers, Ventrilo.net
On July 22 2011 12:32 RedBack wrote: Haha thats the one bit of input you have for the whole duscission Incontrol? ;P
I can ignore a lot but flat lies about my gaming specifically bother me. Unlike all of you this is my life.
i lvoe when progamers talk down to the entire community...makes me feel all warm and cozzy inside...kind of reminds me of lebron.
When has lebron "spoke down to the entire community". This is just hate from left field that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Also, he didn't talk down to the community, he stated a fact. This is his life. It is not your life. This is a fact.
Lebron said that all those haters that wished him to fail will wake up the next day and still be in the same crappy life as they have the day before, in an interview
anyway @wheat, you should have mr Chae or somebody that have experience handling a guy like AG instead of Milkis
EPT
