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On July 22 2011 10:48 djWHEAT wrote:
Ok. From this point forward I'm never having guests on a show ever again. That will just solve everything. I can't be held accountable for how much a guests talks, or how little he talks.
So, I'll just stop doing it. You fucking paint me as this bad guy... and that's not the case at all.
Fuck it.
To be honest there were a lot of factors why the discussion went the way it went and the guests were to be given blame to an extent, but to say that you couldn't held accountable on anything is not true. As the host you were the moderator of the discussion. You were supposed to be the failsafe if the discussion went haywire. The blame of the bad debate should go on all 3 parties.
To be honest Wheat, you should improve on your moderating skills but you shouldn't stop having guests on the show. The episode was probably the most interesting episode of the show, but it could have been so much better if the debate hadn't gone the road it did.
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On July 22 2011 23:38 djWHEAT wrote:
- I've probably hosted over a thousand shows in my lifetime (if not more) and this was by far one of the toughest I've done. Yes I learned a shitload. I learned that my true skill for "interviews" lies in a 1v1 capacity. I learned that there are better ways to handle a 2 Guest/1 Moderator situation and I will be trying to refine and improve this personally. I've taken a lot of the feedback in this thread and jotted it down in my Show Journal. I think it's really important that we have this type of medium to get information and have good discussion on... however, I see the flaws in what occurred last night and I do think these things can be fixed to maximize the effectiveness of the guests and the topics being discussed.
This is great. Making mistakes isn't bad but not learning from them is.  I hope all the success for you with WoC.
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On July 22 2011 23:38 djWHEAT wrote:VODs are up at: http://WeaponOfChoice.blip.tvI've now gotten to sleep on this and wanted to make some final points before I lose things out: - Slasher and I DID attempt to get Coach Lee on the show. There was minimal communication, but it boiled down to the fact that the Korean side didn't feel comfortable in being able to express what they needed or wanted to express in English. In hindsight I'm glad we didn't try to force the issue because it could have been even more one-sided. I have to thank Slasher for attempting to make this happen. - I've probably hosted over a thousand shows in my lifetime (if not more) and this was by far one of the toughest I've done. Yes I learned a shitload. I learned that my true skill for "interviews" lies in a 1v1 capacity. I learned that there are better ways to handle a 2 Guest/1 Moderator situation and I will be trying to refine and improve this personally. I've taken a lot of the feedback in this thread and jotted it down in my Show Journal. I think it's really important that we have this type of medium to get information and have good discussion on... however, I see the flaws in what occurred last night and I do think these things can be fixed to maximize the effectiveness of the guests and the topics being discussed. - I cried over spilled milk (in this thread). I realized (thanks to some awesome TL members) that I shouldn't dwell on it and just aspire to improve. I get blinded by my own passion sometimes and so I do apologize to the community for that. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for the comments, good and bad (well most of them  ), and I hope I can improve on this type of content and deliver the expected product in the future.
thats why i love wheat and will forget that weapon of choice 32 ever excisted
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The overall issue is that the EG director thinks Milkis' job was to "journalistically" follow-up on the story when he's simply the translator
I think that's the overall issue and problem here. All fucked-up things aside, it all started when the director misinterprets Milkis role and then runs with it to lay down everything else he says.
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On July 22 2011 23:38 djWHEAT wrote:VODs are up at: http://WeaponOfChoice.blip.tvI've now gotten to sleep on this and wanted to make some final points before I lose things out: - Slasher and I DID attempt to get Coach Lee on the show. There was minimal communication, but it boiled down to the fact that the Korean side didn't feel comfortable in being able to express what they needed or wanted to express in English. In hindsight I'm glad we didn't try to force the issue because it could have been even more one-sided. I have to thank Slasher for attempting to make this happen. - I've probably hosted over a thousand shows in my lifetime (if not more) and this was by far one of the toughest I've done. Yes I learned a shitload. I learned that my true skill for "interviews" lies in a 1v1 capacity. I learned that there are better ways to handle a 2 Guest/1 Moderator situation and I will be trying to refine and improve this personally. I've taken a lot of the feedback in this thread and jotted it down in my Show Journal. I think it's really important that we have this type of medium to get information and have good discussion on... however, I see the flaws in what occurred last night and I do think these things can be fixed to maximize the effectiveness of the guests and the topics being discussed. - I cried over spilled milk (in this thread). I realized (thanks to some awesome TL members) that I shouldn't dwell on it and just aspire to improve. I get blinded by my own passion sometimes and so I do apologize to the community for that. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for the comments, good and bad (well most of them ), and I hope I can improve on this type of content and deliver the expected product in the future.
<3 <3 <3 <3 Wheat! I can not wait for your future shows!
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Your facial expressions at 1h55min30sec~ when Milkis is basically telling Alex what to do is priceless haha. I think Alex was really professional throughout the show, even though I don't agree with everything he said. Good luck in future shows, I'll defiantly be watching.
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On July 23 2011 00:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
The overall issue is that the EG director thinks Milkis' job was to "journalistically" follow-up on the story when he's simply the translator
I think that's the overall issue and problem here. All fucked-up things aside, it all started when the director misinterprets Milkis role and then runs with it to lay down everything else he says.
Unfortunately, given the situation, Milkis' role was that of an guest interviewer, so you can't really put the blame solely on the director. It was an interview situation, like it or not, and if he can't do the job, then he shouldn't have been there.
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you all realize that EG is setting themselves up for their namesake... Evil...they are the bad guys
But this is a great thing for the scene in general. Think of the WWF.. there had to be the 'bad guys' in order for the 'heroes' to shine... I used to think it would be the west vs. the Koreans... but now I can't wait for the inevitable team Liquid, team EG showdown... get cooler !
when the lines are drawn, I just wonder what side DJ Wheat will be on
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On July 22 2011 23:38 djWHEAT wrote:VODs are up at: http://WeaponOfChoice.blip.tvI've now gotten to sleep on this and wanted to make some final points before I lose things out: - Slasher and I DID attempt to get Coach Lee on the show. There was minimal communication, but it boiled down to the fact that the Korean side didn't feel comfortable in being able to express what they needed or wanted to express in English. In hindsight I'm glad we didn't try to force the issue because it could have been even more one-sided. I have to thank Slasher for attempting to make this happen. - I've probably hosted over a thousand shows in my lifetime (if not more) and this was by far one of the toughest I've done. Yes I learned a shitload. I learned that my true skill for "interviews" lies in a 1v1 capacity. I learned that there are better ways to handle a 2 Guest/1 Moderator situation and I will be trying to refine and improve this personally. I've taken a lot of the feedback in this thread and jotted it down in my Show Journal. I think it's really important that we have this type of medium to get information and have good discussion on... however, I see the flaws in what occurred last night and I do think these things can be fixed to maximize the effectiveness of the guests and the topics being discussed. - I cried over spilled milk (in this thread). I realized (thanks to some awesome TL members) that I shouldn't dwell on it and just aspire to improve. I get blinded by my own passion sometimes and so I do apologize to the community for that. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for the comments, good and bad (well most of them ), and I hope I can improve on this type of content and deliver the expected product in the future.
Thanks yo, just remember members of the community get as fired up / passionate about things and also say things they regret in the heat of the moment. Everybody has their moments when they speak with their feelings instead of their brain, its just human nature.
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On July 22 2011 23:38 djWHEAT wrote:VODs are up at: http://WeaponOfChoice.blip.tvI've now gotten to sleep on this and wanted to make some final points before I lose things out: - Slasher and I DID attempt to get Coach Lee on the show. There was minimal communication, but it boiled down to the fact that the Korean side didn't feel comfortable in being able to express what they needed or wanted to express in English. In hindsight I'm glad we didn't try to force the issue because it could have been even more one-sided. I have to thank Slasher for attempting to make this happen. - I've probably hosted over a thousand shows in my lifetime (if not more) and this was by far one of the toughest I've done. Yes I learned a shitload. I learned that my true skill for "interviews" lies in a 1v1 capacity. I learned that there are better ways to handle a 2 Guest/1 Moderator situation and I will be trying to refine and improve this personally. I've taken a lot of the feedback in this thread and jotted it down in my Show Journal. I think it's really important that we have this type of medium to get information and have good discussion on... however, I see the flaws in what occurred last night and I do think these things can be fixed to maximize the effectiveness of the guests and the topics being discussed. - I cried over spilled milk (in this thread). I realized (thanks to some awesome TL members) that I shouldn't dwell on it and just aspire to improve. I get blinded by my own passion sometimes and so I do apologize to the community for that. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for the comments, good and bad (well most of them ), and I hope I can improve on this type of content and deliver the expected product in the future.
Thank you djWHEAT for what you do for Esports. You are awesome and I couldnt live without all your shows. Of course there are always things you can improve, but we love your dedication and your passion. You did your best and you learned a lot from the last episode. Next time, you will deal with this type of situation a lot better, and its the only thing that matter.
We are really thankful that you took the time to try to explain the whole situation between EG and TSL.
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On July 23 2011 00:49 Rocor wrote:when the lines are drawn, I just wonder what side DJ Wheat will be on
I hope no lines are drawn, but if they are, I'd prefer not to take sides. My friendships in this space are more important than any drama the SC2 community can brew.
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Don't worry Wheat. The true satisfied and happy customers are those who are discussing the issue, not your moderation or hosting skills, you have your experience and intelligence to constructively criticize yourself.
You're doing well, see you next time :3!
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On July 23 2011 00:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
The overall issue is that the EG director thinks Milkis' job was to "journalistically" follow-up on the story when he's simply the translator
I think that's the overall issue and problem here. All fucked-up things aside, it all started when the director misinterprets Milkis role and then runs with it to lay down everything else he says.
I agree with the point that Alex was trying to make. TL is very nearly unique in that it is the central hub of a community while being almost completely volunteer driven. What I think Alex was trying to say is that news and articles generated and translated by TL are largely viewed as Official. As such the articles that come out here can, and often do, have real consequences and cause real backlash. When an article comes out written with an obvious bias or given a spin from the offset, the community will largely accept that point of view out of hand and one side will be left fighting an uphill battle just to plead their case.
Asking the TL community to take a more responsible and journalistic approach to their articles is perfectly reasonable. If they aren't willing to try to get both sides of the story, then they should either form their article to be non-biased, or state their biases up front and plainly, making certain that they read as opinions.
The majority of people don't think critically of an article that they consider Official, as many on TL are. Many will believe the first view given to them if an alternative isn't given, and as the saying goes, "The first impression is a lasting one". When the article is original in addition to being "Official", the issue is compounded as that article will be the most quoted and copied with all of its bias and spin intact.
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I listened to a short segment in the show and hoped to get a clearer picture on this huge mess but was so busy facepalming at the EG rep's senseless rambling on how sorry he felt towards Milkis. From what I heard, he's really apologetic for kind of labelling Milkis as an irresponsible journalist (wtf lol?), but then he wasn't really accusing Milkis or anything so don't be misunderstand his kind intentions. He's also thankful for being able to speak to Milkis. I could see that DJWheat was trying hard to control the situation by agreeing with everything said, but sometimes when the guest spews crap he gotta ask the guest to move on. Poor Milkis probably too angry to think of a proper reply to the EG rep. I don't know how well EG runs as an organisation but they really have an incompetent PR team, if it actually exists.
On July 23 2011 03:05 Sylvr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 00:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
The overall issue is that the EG director thinks Milkis' job was to "journalistically" follow-up on the story when he's simply the translator
I think that's the overall issue and problem here. All fucked-up things aside, it all started when the director misinterprets Milkis role and then runs with it to lay down everything else he says. I agree with the point that Alex was trying to make. TL is very nearly unique in that it is the central hub of a community while being almost completely volunteer driven. What I think Alex was trying to say is that news and articles generated and translated by TL are largely viewed as Official. As such the articles that come out here can, and often do, have real consequences and cause real backlash. When an article comes out written with an obvious bias or given a spin from the offset, the community will largely accept that point of view out of hand and one side will be left fighting an uphill battle just to plead their case. Asking the TL community to take a more responsible and journalistic approach to their articles is perfectly reasonable. If they aren't willing to try to get both sides of the story, then they should either form their article to be non-biased, or state their biases up front and plainly, making certain that they read as opinions. The majority of people don't think critically of an article that they consider Official, as many on TL are. Many will believe the first view given to them if an alternative isn't given, and as the saying goes, "The first impression is a lasting one". When the article is original in addition to being "Official", the issue is compounded as that article will be the most quoted and copied with all of its bias and spin intact.
I disagree. Milkis did not write the article, he only translated a korean source. EG should've responded more quickly to this. Their statement would most definitely be included in the OP of the thread. That's why companies out there act fast to dispel rumours that damage their reputations. They don't wait for days and days and when the community asks to hear from them, nothing.
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On July 23 2011 03:18 Resolve wrote:
I listened to a short segment in the show and hoped to get a clearer picture on this huge mess but was so busy facepalming at SirScoot's senseless rambling on how sorry he felt towards Milkis. From what I heard, he's really apologetic for kind of labelling Milkis as an irresponsible journalist (wtf lol?), but then he wasn't really accusing Milkis or anything so don't be misunderstand his kind intentions. He's also thankful for being able to speak to Milkis. I could see that DJWheat was trying hard to control the situation by agreeing with everything said, but sometimes when the guest spews crap he gotta ask the guest to move on. Poor Milkis probably too angry to think of a proper reply to SirScoots. I don't know how well EG runs as an organisation but they really have an incompetent PR team, if it actually exists.
It's not SirScoots on the show.
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On July 23 2011 03:05 Sylvr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
The overall issue is that the EG director thinks Milkis' job was to "journalistically" follow-up on the story when he's simply the translator
I think that's the overall issue and problem here. All fucked-up things aside, it all started when the director misinterprets Milkis role and then runs with it to lay down everything else he says. I agree with the point that Alex was trying to make. TL is very nearly unique in that it is the central hub of a community while being almost completely volunteer driven. What I think Alex was trying to say is that news and articles generated and translated by TL are largely viewed as Official. As such the articles that come out here can, and often do, have real consequences and cause real backlash. When an article comes out written with an obvious bias or given a spin from the offset, the community will largely accept that point of view out of hand and one side will be left fighting an uphill battle just to plead their case. Asking the TL community to take a more responsible and journalistic approach to their articles is perfectly reasonable. If they aren't willing to try to get both sides of the story, then they should either form their article to be non-biased, or state their biases up front and plainly, making certain that they read as opinions. The majority of people don't think critically of an article that they consider Official, as many on TL are. Many will believe the first view given to them if an alternative isn't given, and as the saying goes, "The first impression is a lasting one". When the article is original in addition to being "Official", the issue is compounded as that article will be the most quoted and copied with all of its bias and spin intact.
There are no rumors or bias in the article
There is no poor journalism as far as I can read. On TL's part at least, no.
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People 'forgiving' you is ridiculous. Your show was good, you have nothing to apologize for. Keep it up, WHEAT.
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On July 23 2011 03:28 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:18 Resolve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I listened to a short segment in the show and hoped to get a clearer picture on this huge mess but was so busy facepalming at *CENSORED :p* senseless rambling on how sorry he felt towards Milkis. From what I heard, he's really apologetic for kind of labelling Milkis as an irresponsible journalist (wtf lol?), but then he wasn't really accusing Milkis or anything so don't be misunderstand his kind intentions. He's also thankful for being able to speak to Milkis. I could see that DJWheat was trying hard to control the situation by agreeing with everything said, but sometimes when the guest spews crap he gotta ask the guest to move on. Poor Milkis probably too angry to think of a proper reply to *CENSORED :p*. I don't know how well EG runs as an organisation but they really have an incompetent PR team, if it actually exists.
It's not SirScoots on the show.
:\ sorry about that couldn't really sit through the whole thing so skipped quite a few parts... didn't really notice who's what 
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On July 23 2011 03:36 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:28 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 23 2011 03:18 Resolve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I listened to a short segment in the show and hoped to get a clearer picture on this huge mess but was so busy facepalming at SirScoot's senseless rambling on how sorry he felt towards Milkis. From what I heard, he's really apologetic for kind of labelling Milkis as an irresponsible journalist (wtf lol?), but then he wasn't really accusing Milkis or anything so don't be misunderstand his kind intentions. He's also thankful for being able to speak to Milkis. I could see that DJWheat was trying hard to control the situation by agreeing with everything said, but sometimes when the guest spews crap he gotta ask the guest to move on. Poor Milkis probably too angry to think of a proper reply to SirScoots. I don't know how well EG runs as an organisation but they really have an incompetent PR team, if it actually exists.
It's not SirScoots on the show. :\ sorry about that couldn't really sit through the whole thing so skipped quite a few parts... didn't really notice who's what
No worries, just wanted the record straight.
I love me some Scoots :B
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If it makes anyone feel any better I plan on kicking Alex in the dick on Lo3 next week for his comments on Milkis regarding journalism
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On July 23 2011 03:44 Slasher wrote:
If it makes anyone feel any better I plan on kicking Alex in the dick on Lo3 next week for his comments on Milkis regarding journalism
It does . The blatant hypocrisy is rather annoying.
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