Discontinued: SC2ProMod

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Zurich15328 Posts

April 11 2010 08:39 GMT

Dear TL,

It generated quite a buzz when we announced SC2ProMod on April 1st and asked, what you, the community, thought about it. Unfortunately, and surprising to us, the feedback has been overwhelmingly negative. As a consequence to that I have to inform you that all work on SC2ProMod has been discontinued effective April 2nd. We listen.

Still we want to share with you all the replies we have gotten during those short 24 hours. Largely anonymized, here is the full SC2ProMod feedback we have received after the announcement:
+ Show Spoiler [Feedback - long, foul language!] +

I'am european, and I'm telling ya I don't like this! Idra was right! :O

Awesome April fools TL, keep up the kickass work

Finally! No more 1a protoss imba GG

Awesome mod!

And great release date too.

Hyungjoon

this is stupid yo

you get this my brother?

love it. when can i download?

nice april fools

Not having played the Beta yet (boo no beta key) I can't guarantee that this is a surefire fix to all of SC2's problems. But being an American, I absolutely see the necessity in finding a way to nerf those cheesy european strats we see plaguing the beta.

dustin browder

hey TL,

just like to say thankyou for having the guts to go out and do something like this.. i'm very interested in some of the changes you've suggested and would like to get in contact sometime about the possibility of integrating some of your changes into the official SCII release.

email me at dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg

I'M READY FOR SOME E-SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!

This will shape ESPORTS,
Like ICCUP in Brood War.
TSL3's mod!

You guys put a ton of work into making a perfectly good new game into SC:BW. If progamers want to play BW why not just play BW instead of tearing up the SC2 community and forcing anyone that wants to be competitive to play your mod. I personally am really dissapointed with the TL community for not having enough faith in Blizzard to make a game that was good for all. I'm not saying that there arent problems with SC2- but it is still in the Beta! How can you say the game isn't ready for pro play when its not even ready to be released? As for specific things I'm not thrilled about:

No automine- WHY NOT?! Making a player click an extra time every time they build a worker DOES NOT make the players that can do this more skilled, just makes them work harder.

No smartcast- While I can understand why you don't want everyone to be able to play at an equal level, I don't get the aversion to smartcasting. Whats wrong with clicking once and getting one spellcast, even if you have multiple casters selected(honestly how can this even matter when they nerfed all the spells recently anyway). This is just another change to force an additional click by a player. More APM =/= more skill, again, imo.

Changing the units around and adding lurkers, whatever it's your mod, but again why make the players learn 2 different games.

Honestly I'm pissed off by the arrogance of you guys making this mod. I know I'm ranting but as a player who is trying to get serious this is an incredible deterrant for me.

this mod my balls

You must be idiots. the game has been changed in a way for both casuals and Pros. to make this mod because the skill you had for the original is out the window and this game is different is stupid. Our clan has some hardcore koreans. and they think your stupid. being good at what the game is is what they love. just as the promod killed mw1. this will die fast.

Nice April fools joke!

I am not in any way a progammer, but I can still appreciate this mod! The imbalances in SCII was simply not fun. I always played Terran but it felt wrong to play the team with an advantage over everyone else, if I won people just said that my race was OP and if I lost I sucked.

With this mod I really hope that I will be able to outplay my friends by skill and high APM instead of choosing the right tech in the first few minutes.

Thanks a lot team liquid, this could be the program that makes Starcraft last for another 13 years!

Mothership

Hey I heard you removed me from the game, that's fucking bullshit. YOU CANT JUST TAKE ME OUT OF THE GAME!!!!!!!

I totally agree... even if it wasn't April first....

Jaedong

At first i wasn't sure that SCII Promod would truely balance the game, but after seeing firsthand Flash's marines cost 55 minerals, i am a true convert.

- Lee Jaedong

Hello there.

I am a rich businessman, and I approve of this. I'll be injecting BILLIONS of ESPORTS dollars into this MOD.

Nowadays, profit's the thing, and when it comes to profit, all roads lead to ESPORTS.

I FUCKING LOVE IT

육선화
팀리퀴드 화이팅~~<3 !!!

Kwanro

With this new SCII promod, i no longer have to build 3 more drones than normal to mine gas, Starcraft feels right again!

- Kwanro

Lee Young Ho

At first, I was against the crude new game, but now that I see how refined it is I look forward to participating in a new era of balanced professional gaming. I think I speak for all my fellow players when I say we'll definitely be switching games. Thanks to all the hard workers who took their time to create this - I can't wait to play!

Well played.

I really hope this is an early April Fools joke. I think this is the most useless thing ever and I find it funny and sad that such a professional eSports community like the SC one has stooped down to the level of the Super Smash Bros. competitive community. Instead of adapting to change like most professionals, they bitch and moan about how the sequel is not like it's predecessor. Obviously, it's going to be different. Blizzard is not retarded and doesn't want to make the same game twice with added features. I used to think Team Liquid was respectable but after this, how can I? You talk about how SC2 doesn't require much skill when it basically relies on micro, which is the backbone of competitive SC. StarCraft, was first and foremost, an RTS and a eSports game second. Emphasis on STRATEGY. Micro was not something that required skill, just lots of practice. Sadly, the focus of the game turned to micro instead of strategy, making SC a contest of who has the fastest fingers. The sad thing about most of the eSports community is that most of you guys are afraid of change. You play a game for a long time and then complain when the sequel is different. You act as if the sequel cannot have high level play.

Please, continue making this mod so the REAL PROFESSIONALS who can adapt to change can play SC2 without baddies like you. I'd like the community to be split between people who are good and people who have an arbitrary view of what is considered good.

이영호
처음에 나는 원유 새로운 게임 반대했지만 지금은 내가 얼마나 정제된 그것은 내가 기대 균형 프로 게임의 새로운 시대에 참여하는 것입니다 참조하십시오. 난 내 모든 동료 선수 난 우리가 확실히 게임을 전환됩니다다고 말해야겠군요. 자신의 시간이 걸렸다를 만드는 모든 하드 근로자에 감사 - 내가 플레이 기다릴 수 없다!

Rock

At first i was uneasy playing SCII. It was a new experience and i felt out of my depth. But now with this new improved unit pathing, once again does 2 base carrier feel right.

Thanks Teamliquid!

-Rock

Stork

The game looks fantastic! I look forward to playing in ladder, and hopefully I can be the best in Silver League!

Yellow

Dear Teamliquid

I was suprised when i first heard from my teammates about this new SCII promod, it sounded like a great idea. I wish you best of luck with it in the future, however, i feel unable to bring myself to switch over until i see the removal of Salvage.

-Yellow

Interface/General
These changes are great, 24 unit groups is solid. I always felt 12 units was a bit unfair to Zerg. 1 Geyser could be trouble if Bliz balanced unit costs around 2 Geysers, otherwise good.

Zerg
Awesome stuff. Do these changes help ZvZ though? I'd really like to see the zergling brought to this matchup.

Protoss
All good.

Terran
To be honest I don't like the thor changes. I agree it needs a major re-design but something new/interesting/scrap it would be great instead of Goliath 2.0
Marauder out of Fac and Hellion out of Rax is weird, I don't like this at all. I see where you were going with the design though which is good, but this is just odd. You guys think about bringing the buffed Firebat back? The graphic was super cool.

Concerns
While the interface changes are great and bring back some main skill aspects, my worry is that some of the unit changes seem to be designed around being able to do SCBW builds and timings in SC2, which is neat but not as interesting as discovering new builds and timings. It looks like some of the unit changes make the mod more of a SC2->BW conversion then a Pro adaptation.
The marauder 'spider mine' ability is a key example.
I want this game to be good, but it should also be different then BW, otherwise you may as well make a BW graphics update instead.

Hope I'm not overly critical, this mod so far is really good, and I can't thank you guys enough for undertaking such a project for the whole community. With this kind of support I know SC2 will make it as an eSport eventually.

fuuuuuu-

i believed it! EVERYTHING aohdaifauiodsfhiafhoaisufh

dudes this is downgrading the game, play SCBW if you want no auto mine rally point or low unit slecetion, i feel this mod is narrow minded to the bone, sc2 supposed to be new, not old, yeah call me a noob or what ever, but i aint playing a mod that is downgrading itself from the origenal sc2, on the balancing i have no comment, but the helion biological? just like the firebat from, scbw? >.> , marauders with 3 bombs you mean vulture mines? thor little more like goliath?
just scbw with better graphics is all you guys want it seems ''new units ahh who cares right???''.

Simple community made "balance patches" have destroyed games in the past. You are making a promod. This "betterment of ESPORTS" is no excuse to rip apart a game. It seems ESPORTS and good game design are now conflicting ideas.

I can tell a lot of thought went into the changes, but I still don't see the appeal of playing this mod over Brood War.

If this mod should succeed Brood War, it should have genuine appeal over it, aside from it just being sc2

is the bisu build viable?

I think that you are trying to make sc1 again. I for one do not need a new copy of sc1, i've got my own right here. Even though balance might be required in sc2 i don't think that turning it into a sc1 copy is the option. Thor=Goliath? Lurkers back? Bad pathing for stalkers and marauders? Don't try to balance by transforming it into a copy of a balanced game, seriously! And the skill you keep talking about is APM, automining off, less control groups, that all means more APM required. I think that is a bad measure for skill. So with all due respect to your work, i think that it is WAY to early in the BETA to even talk about the game not being balanced, or even esports material. There have already been many tournaments (and some pretty sick ones for that matter) and the game might do just fine. And even though there is a lot of one-basing you keep acting like this is a bad thing because it's not sc1. And micro and army controlled IS required if you and your opponent have equal army sizes. As for unit composition that makes you lose... SCOUT. Scouting is more important in sc2 than sc1. You should see his army composition way before he has enough to really stomp on you.
I'm sorry for my little rant here but i think you guys are on the wrong path.

IMO I think you guys are way in over your head and need to let blizzard do their job, the game is still in early beta! I understand what you are trying to do but i can only see much failure in this. Your basically trying to turn sc2 into BW and ITS NOT.. get over it ffs. I don't think this will ever reach tournament level and will only be taken serious by your select TL few and other players trying for shits and giggles. Why not just make suggestions on the blizzard feedback forums? (For example i like the idea of the new t3 infestor!). Most other things just shits broodwar all over the game.. I am sorry but you "pros" are so sucked into the balance and mechanics of BW that its ll you want out of sc2. My 2 cents. Good luck

I don't like this idea. While some changes I agree with, this is not your game to alter. You are effectively going to be splitting the community, as the vast majority of players will be playing regular Starcraft 2. Things such as unit removal / addition, tech tree changes, unit stat changes... the majority of players will find that the game is drastically changed. Casual observers will be surprised / confused when watching pro games, and as such, may not watch as it is not the true version of the game they are a fan of.

This can only splinter and damage the competitive scene, not help.

This is an awesome idea and I'm impressed by the changes that you guys were able to make, but it seems like your product is just as gimmicky, the only difference is the rollback to broodwar in almost every sense, it's just hypocritical and immature.

One geyser? Does it mine faster than one normal SC2 geyser? What is the reason for this other than "Broodwar was like this, so SC2 must be like this as well"? There is no reason to do this unless you want the trade-off between mining more gas and mining more minerals to be different, or you want anything that requires gas to be a hero unit that you only get one of.

You even tried to emulate SC1's archaic pathing algorithm? why? Although SC2's pathing is bad, (too closely packed, physics based, uses naive algorithms to navigate around other units), it's a great improvement on the original.

The observer change... ...really? I mean, ok, ok, we love brood war, I get it. But if you want cute things like that in SC2, the least you could do is get original, like you did with the xel naga tower change and high-ground change.

You also re-purposed the macromechanics to enforce multi-base play. This is exactly the kind of forced metagame that I thought you were trying to avoid.. This is actually introducing needless complexity into SC2 as well. Why not just put gold minerals at every natural and remove the macro abilities all together? It's the same thing.

All in all, a lot of the changes you made are really cool, like highground advantage, animation changes, autosurround, muta stack, b.net changes, complete disregard for production quality as long as it's balanced and fun, etc etc.

I just think you are being way too hasty with your edits to the core gameplay and new forced metagame. Have you considered that an evolution to a complex and beautiful multi-base metagame in SC2 might take more than a year to develop? Have you considered that you could be wrong about something, just one time in your life?

If you think the state of the SC2 metagame is shitty, I think the correct response is to blame the players, not the game. TheLittleOne has shown us that there is just as much to this game as there was in broodwar, and I feel like your edits are very disrespectful to players like him that are actually good at the game, as opposed to all the SC1 progamers who are behaving like they are 80 years old when they play sc2.

Ja pierdole.

It's polish.

Amazing, simply amazing. The link alone caused hilarious uproar on a friend's gaming forum. Some gems;

"LOL ALL THE LINK DOES IS TALK SHIT ON BLIZZARD AND SAY A FEW RANDY KOREANS ALREADY SWITCHED

WHO GIVES A FUCK

IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT."

"so no one else wastes their time. in summary this:

Removes all of the polish afforded to SC2 being a new game and reverts the gameplay back to a 1998 level where programming rather than choice was the deciding factor in game mechanics.

so I'll be happy to see when this goes down in flames and is only remembered as a team liquid cry fest circle jerk among self important fags."

After a few troll posts it gets serious;
"The future of gaming eh? We'll see. I'll stick to my sports car, but if I were you I'd limit the rest of your comments unless you really do want to be called out for being an ugly nerd that's never fucked anything remotely attractive and hearing me state the obvious that you're no where near my level as proven by your years consistent refusal to post a picture of your ugly face. Shame is common among reclusive computer nerds such as yourself, but you really should let the donzia hate rest, as you can't be me and you never will be me so it's time for you to find happiness in your own skin."

PROMOD: Serious fucking business.

Hi. I just wanted to tell you that this is one of the best thing ever happen for Starcraft II. On Iccup I am a D- player but when I play on SC2 I feel like I am a S Class player. I knew from then that something is wrong with SC2 and that it needs a major overhaul. There was some stuff I did not like right away. All of the auto mining and the attack move rely point and the smartcasting can make noobs be like pros. When I watch SC2 matches I Feel like I am watching the same thing over and over again. There is no wide variety of strategy that I thought that would exist. The thing I hated the most was that the game seem to be around counters. THAT IS STUPID. SC1 was not like it why does SC2 have to be. Strategy games with counter is like other generic strategy. I have to say I can not wait for future update of this mod. BTW I dont have a beta-key my friend does. And if you find my feedback helpful can you please inform me. My account is also XXXXXX in teamluquid.

APRIL FOOLS BASTARDS, I WAS THE HAPPIEST NERD IN THE WORLD UNTIL I LOOKED AT THE FREAKING DATE. DAMMIT ITS NOT EVEN APRIL FOOLS DAY HERE IN MY TIME ZONE. FUCK.

So you have to mod SC2 because average players can beat you LOL.

What a joke. It is a new game, get good at the real game or go back to SC:BW.

You know, I really wish an effort like this were real.

Keep Blizzard on their toes, knowing the community would snap up at any moment and take control into their own hands.

)=

I have read all the changes you made and all your suggestions for balancing the game, but some of the changes you suggest are a bit too much and since this is SC2 not SCBW then you will need accept and understand that.

To quote "The queen in SC2ProMod no longer spawns additional larvae for 25 energy, but instead spawns "queen nests" anywhere on the map for 150 energy. A queen nest functions similarly to a hatchery, in that it can receive cargo and produces larvae. It cannot be used to upgrade though. The concept sounds radical, but testing has shown it works: The timing for 10 pool / overpool into 3 hatch play is perfect. "

I mean what is this, the last part "The timing for 10 pool / overpool into 3 hatch play is perfect", perfect for who ? Team Liquid ?

Really, this is not the same Zerg from BW, BW Zerg was controled by the Overmind, now there is a now boss in charge, Kerrigan, so do not expect it to be the same, if you want SCBW on SC2 Engine, then do a excact copy of SCBW on the SC2 Engine and modify your hearts out.

I do agree that some things in SC2 are not perfect for Esports as it stands, no micro, too much macro and too much mass and attack strategies, ive seen build where people hardly scout, they just build their specific build in mass and attack move gg

Mineral and gas balance seems fine, in SCBW you started with 4 peons, now you start with 6, these things all speed up the game.

O well, I hope blizzard and Dustin both wake up to the fact that for SC2 to be truly great and not just a great money making sequal that comes in 3 parts, they will need to listen to the community on some aspects of the game/gameplay/balance etc

i think a schism is bad for sc2. you're pretty arrogant to suggest that you know better than blizzard what their product ought to be.

Hahaha, nice April fools joke guys. Very well set-up, looks like you put a lot of work into it. You've tricked a lot of people no doubt. Keep up the good work!

I like to watch pro starcraft games, but I don't think I'd watch people playing a modded version of starcraft2.

I see it this way, if a person is bad at a sport, they either practice and get better or find a new sport. They don't change the rules of the sport to fit their play style.

you arrogant fucks if you want to play SC1 then why don't you just go play it?

fucking morons, if you were video game designers you'd work for the best video game company in the world, and you wouldn't be relegated to "analyzing" and "fixing" a fucking beta.

I am by no means a progamer and I'm not even in the beta right now. However I have been following it alot through streams and replays. This all just seems way too soon. I mean it is still in beta... Give it a chance. It just seems like you guys are trying to turn it into brood war V2.0. Things like taking out automining doesn't make sense to me. You may all disagree with me but I dont think APM should play much of a factor in the game. It should be about strategy, timing, positioning. You are trying to make it into an eSport which is awesome and I hope it happens, right now this just seems like people trying to make a mod so that SC1 players are really good at SC2 rather than trying to adapt to SC2.

I wonder if the feedback section of this april fools joke actually works....

Do you in fact think that you have created a better balanced game than Blizzard... REALLY?!??

Wish you all the best, but believe me, this is a step back, not forward ...

Just an idea for casting spells:

In the original SC, after selecting a spell you cast, you get a cursor to to select the center of the spell.

This is changed in SC2.

When you select a spell to cast in SC2, you have an circle that displays which units will be affected.

I feel that the SC's implementation promotes more skill, since players must familiarize themselves with how large the radius a certain spell would be.

The mod looks great! However, I feel that it's missing one important thing: changes to the Colossus. It moves much too fast, and an attack with no travel time doesn't suit the unit well. Cliff walk should be removed from the unit, and the Thermal Lance attack should be replaced with a slow-moving Energy Ball that does splash damage. To compensate for removing the more powerful instant attack, the damage could be increased to 100, with an upgrade at the Robotics Bay to increase it to 125.

Also, just to keep Protoss players on their toes, the Energy Ball attack should miss and no no damage at all half of the time.

In my opinion I really dislike this move from teamliquid. I suppose something like that was bound to happen sooner or later but think about it, you are breaking up the community even more. Not only is the community already torn apart between BW and Sc2 now you are introducing this mod which in my opinon I really disagree with.

The game is in beta and you are not giving blizzard a chance to improve their game at all instead you are encouraging people to go for something else. I don't think blizzard meant for this when they released the beta. I also see alot of anti-warcraft such as removing the mothership. I don't see a problem with having the mothership in sc2 as I believe it is a good addition to the game. Some warcraft 3 things have to be added in in order to make it a better game therefore I believe if it is something good it should be kept regardless of whether or not you think this is starcraft or warcraft.

As for nerfing the mechanics, I understand the want to make it more challenging but like I said you are going to tear the community apart for your own selfish pride(the fact that you think you are so dammn good). There has to be some progression guys. This is esports. Things get better, they don't stay the same. In my opinion the idiotic developers who did this are just trying to make a 3D version of starcraft 1 which in my opinion is stupid!

Overall this is probably the worst thing I have ever seen teamliquid do. Not only are they splitting a community they are not even giving the game a chance and not willing to try anything new. All they are doing is trying to hang on to the old school ideals they have around here, but in order for esports to grow, starcraft has to get easier. You are introducing mechanics that you have already mastered which brings the skill level back to square one where it is so hard to catch up to top players as a new player.

Wow, thank you a lot !

Make a council from progamers to merge SC2 and SCBW into a nice
SC2PROMOD.

Hey, great idea!
I'll definitively play it!
It'll be so cool!
And it's the first of april in America!

As a loyal Starcraft player I find this mod to be quite exciting. Its good to know that the skills I have accumulated in all my years of playing Brood War will infact be used in Starcraft 2. I also believe that this mod will help the Starcraft community flourish by retaining a lot of traditional mechanics from the original game that only players of the original Starcraft would be familiar with.

Too soon. Let the game expand before doing this.

GG TL, GG

OMG NO YOU GUYS NOOB STOP YOU SO NOOB YOU RUIN GAME WITH NO SELEXSHUN INFENETE OMG YOU SO NOOB STOP

Implement area hotkeys please. I think it will be very difficult to play with no automine if you cannot use f2-4 (maybe even add f1) for area hotkeys. These are the binds I used for my CC in BW. Otherwise a control to cycle through the camera centering on CCs when you hit a hotkey containing your CC would be good.

Also for helion vs marauder why not just switch their attack animations? It seems awkward for a bio unit to come from the factory and vice versa.

Why change gas? Two gas allowed for more diverse build orders. Are you concerned about fast tech builds being difficult because they require 6 workers total on gas? Consider another solution like starting players off with 50 gas, or having a geyser be saturated by 2 workers.

Can you change geysers to give reduced gas when they run out instead of going completely dry, like in BW? In BW this was one of the things that pushed players towards actually using the higher tech units, they started to have higher gas income relative to minerals as the game went on. Now this is not the case and we stay on the same mineral heavy armies the whole game.

Are you going to consider changing the targetting AI? How do you feel about planetary fortress taunting units WoW style? Workers being targetted, etc?

What about changing collision sizes and/or opening up the maps more so we can actually spread out instead of always fighting in a chokepoint?

Consider changing the starting energy upgrades. Do you think it is balanced to warp-in a storm-ready Templar?

I haven't tested it thoroughly but it seems vision range may have been reduced from original BW. Could be my imagination but especially flying units, ghosts, and observers, don't seem as good of scouts as before.

Thank you for considering my comments.

Did you ever consider that the game is still in beta, and you could present these issues as problems for blizzard to fix, instead of going out of your way to make the game exactly the way you want it?

I totally loved the infester change but i think you should replace one of the other two abilities.

why not (i know it sound WC3) an aura or something like that. a passive.

korean Sports will agree with this change to hold de esporst comunity. its SC 2 + skill

great mod personally i would ignore europe and south america entirely nothing good ever came from them

Won't this get completely cockblocked by Blizzard pretty soon? I love what you guys are trying to do for the e-sports community but doesn't seem like the kind of thing Blizzard will just sit around and let happen.

i hate u

Hi guys, this is Ivan from Malaysia. I've played Brood War for years and absolutely loving the work you guys have done! eSports all the way!

Looking at the Pro MOD

I like how APM is not as important in SC2. Comes down to players decision more, I think this will make it possible for a bigger pool of pro players and much more interesting games to watch, which will make the e-sport take off. Pros will go where the money is, and that will be where the viewers are.

You guys should think about how the grow the sport not how to make a small group of pro happy. An easier interface makes more time for crazy play. Adding extra options are cool but making the interface harder to increase base level APM is dumb.

People of Team Liquid: You're my heroes.

Greg Fields

Can protoss be removed?

Hello~ I am retire Korea progamer who want to return to kick ass of dongsaengs television Star2 but promod have add no location hotkey~~~! Please fix this kekeke

I have followed the starcraft community for a little over 3 years now, and while I can understand why, from a nostalgia point of view this patch sounds like a good idea, however the features of this mod make it sound as if it is Starcraft 1.5. So many of the features are exactly as they were in BW...why not just rename fungal growth to plague, the Thor a goliath? I feel that not only will this divide the SC community, but it feels as if you are making a bastardized version of brood war. From a spectators point of view(sports are not just about the players) if I wanted to watch players play brood war I would rather watch the original, starcraft 2 does not need to emulate every feature of BW. I understand your love of the game has driven you to this, but please implement change in gradual amounts, because all these changes feel hollow to me. Thank you for your time.

Happy April Fools, guys, and well done. I particularly liked how you changed most of the units back to their SC1 counterparts without actually saying that was what you were doing. Several someones spent a lot of time on those patch notes.

Of course the best part is that people on the Beta forums are already taking this seriously.

Again, good show!

This is the most amazing thing i've ever heard of since the game. I was very worried that this great game was going to end up failing in the face of its superior in skill requirement Starcraft Brood War. I want to express my thanks to everyone at Team Liquid for taking on this task and doing it for the community.

Any word if there can be a matchmaking/ladder system that applies to this in the same way that is intended in vanilla?

Also, it would be nice to see some cooperation from blizzard. Is there any hope that blizzard could just apply your changes as the default version of the game?

Idiots, the game hasn't even gotten out of beta yet. Most of your changes harken to sc1 too, this is NOT sc1.

Please stop.

This actually fooled me, but only because it's still March where I live.

SC2PROMOD makes SCII an actual playable game on a competitive level. eSports will now have a direction that starcraft two can firmly ease into. Greatly awaiting the public release lets hope we have a nice conversion.

You guys aren't the home of e-sports. What you are doing is going to ruin the game before it even comes out. I doubt blizzard would allow this. It's what tasteless said "giving starcraft a facelift". He said that during an interview this summer. I think you guys will ruin the whole community. I think dota would be a better game than this garbage.

DO NOT RELEASE THIS MOD U WILL ONLY SCREW EVERYONE OVER INCLUDING MYSELF. I HAVE BEEN WAITING TO PLAY STARCRAFT 2 FOR SO LONG. I AM NOT IN BETA I AM NOT A PRO SORRY. WHY RUIN A GAME BEFORE ME THE COMMON MAN CAN GET HIS HANDS ON IT? I DOUBT I EVEN WILL PLAY THIS GAME NOW. RUSE BETA IS A LOT OF FUN AND IS BECOMING AN ESPORT. HAVE FUN PLAYING UR MINDLESS CLICK FEST GAME WITH STUPID MODS.

I think you should go back playing Brood War instead of trying to push your opinions this way. I hope that Blizzard will block this modification to spread out. There is no chance that it will be a platform for e-sports tournaments. You would not do such modifications to Brood War, so leave StarCraft 2 as it is.

Liquid`Tyler: Smart people will. I think almost all the Americans will quickly move to this. The Koreans too will understand that this improves the game. Some cheesy players, eastern Europeans and south Americans will probably not like it. Anyone with an understanding of the game will like it.

Hey Tyler, moony, Nony, teflony or what ever you are. What do you know about EastEurope, ah? I like the changes in the game, but I don't like your comment. Be smarter, kid.

I don't like the idea of this whatsoever. If you want the game to be exactly like sc1 then just PLAY SC1... This is sc2... It's not supposed to be the same. It's a different game.

Also, even if it were a good idea. Who are you guys to say what modifications need to be made? Blizzard has released the beta to hundreds of people to help decide modificiations. How many people do you have... 10? That's just both naive and ridiculous to think that such a small group can effectively balance the game...

Hey folks,

I admire the effort you put into SC2beta and making a mere BW-Clone ... but it is hillarious to think that bringing a new game back to the predecessor is a good goal.

Yes - BroodWar was the best game ever
Yes - There are issues in SC2Beta that have to be adressed
BUT simply putting the new game into the shape of BW doesnt solve anything. If you think about the dawn of time in BW there were many onebase builds and midgamepushes that ended the game relatively fast ... just like in the current BETA (I capitalize: BETA) stages. But the game evolved into that what it is now, so why dont give SC2 the chance to evolve for itself instead of manipulating the genome

Yes - some of the changes are good!
BUT some changes are going way too far. It isnt SC2 anymore. It's a shadow from SCBW with better graphics ... but only a shadow.

Just my two cents

PS: Sorry for screwing with English ... I am no native English speaker.

I disagree with this. Just because the game doesn't hold the same gameplay as broodwar doesn't mean you should try and bring back broodwar and split the competitive play in starcraft 2. I've beaten NoNy in sc2 and he asked me questions like, "how much do those units cost?." He clearly has little or no experience playing sc2 and his opinion is not viable and completely biased towards broodwar. Also, I thought insulting wc3 wasn't tolerated on teamliquid forums?

i got really excited when i saw this mod, and can´t wait for an actual image of the lurker we´ll just have to try it out and see what works better

The game isn't even finalized yet, so it's apparent that we need to improve it before it's finalized. Everyone should support the SC2 Mod!

Rob Pardo's comment had me rolling

I respect the work and effort you are putting into this mod but I really hope you fail with this.
Brinding back Starcraft 1 gameplay with nicer graphics is not evolution if pro gaming, it is returning back to the past.

Gaming is still not a tradition, Starcraft 1 is not a tradition. The game has HUGE room for improvement and thank to Blizzard this is happening.

As wishing you to fail I don't underestimate your work. I hope you get rewarded for the work you've done!

This Mod will lift SC 2 in another level were it should be ! atm game is little lack.. Maybe blizz wanted to be lick that little low macro so more ppl can play it and feel good with all that easy macro added in sc 2.
sc, scbw, wc3 wc3tft, wow all part gamer.

Remember it is SC2, not SC ! Although the mod turns out to be a goodie for the so-called pros, it will destroy the original idea of SC2 and keep distant from the major "common" players. Lose or Gain, it is a question...
If you guys are so proud of it, then make TL-branded SC2, not just a mod. Shame....

From reading the features, It seems like the SC2ProMod is just steps at making SC2 into SC:BW. I assume blizzard wanted to create a game that would be similar to SC as it is now, but also different. But what SC2ProMod seem to do is just bring SC:BW units to SC2. Like Lurkers, Spidermines, and goliaths.

"Make thors smaller and mobile and choron booster for range so we can get goliaths back."

"Let's get lurkers again but instead of morphing from hydras, make it morph from roaches so it's different." (how would that into the evolution mythos of starcraft if the hydras lose loses the ability, only for the roaches to gain that exact ability.

"Let's make marauder's plant grandes at the ground so we could have our lovely spidermines back."

Hey, great jobb on ProMode so far, sounds awsome.
Just got one major thought about it.
It seems like it's forcesed into the old same BW playstyle abit to much? I like how all the Ezmode auto mining/casting etc is removed but it feels like you're trying to make it the same as BW though it's a new game and should be abit diffrent?
I think it's great that you can use the same old BOs and so, and i dont know were i'm going with this but i hope you understod my point.
I've not tried it out and i'm just some random dude but wanted to point it out.

Anyways Great jobb on moving the skillcap bar higher. Looking forward to try it out. take care!

XD I just finished to read the features that propose sc2promod and i cant stop laughing.

Changing all the features like that, protecting by the "utopia" facts thats what "pro" dont want are able to be removed ! XDXDXDXDXD

"OK mothership is a hero, fuck blizzard "

If you are so mad of SC BW just wait the SC2 map editor and get the graphics changes in BW, but changing like that SC2 is juste so lol that i ca

oops,this mod is just just an other sc expansion set, or sc in 3D, not sc2. so this mod is not a upgrade of sc2, it's back. from this mod, i see all of you need is sc, not sc2.

This is THE ONLY INTERNET APRIL FOOLS JOKE THAT EVER GOT ME!!!

I bow to intellects greater than my own.

Is there any way to somehow jury rig map location shortcuts back into the game (i.e. I hit F2 to center view on my CC)? I feel like this would greatly introduce the BW feel back into the game, as well as make manual mining more manageable.

yes this is what i was waiting for i dont have a beta key but what i have seen ont the strems was realy boring and this promod make me thinking about to start playing starcraft 2 right i have a chance to it

lol

Also, here is a section of what other sites thought about SC2ProMod:
+ Show Spoiler [Sites linking SC2ProMod] +

http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/showthread.php?t=184173
http://broadcasting.gamesports.net/de/headlines/4389/
http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3359
http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3359
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-13342-75948-1-0-1-0-teamliquid-starcraft-ii-promod.htm
http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=63089
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125340
http://www.goodgame.ru/news.php?ocd=view&id=5544
http://forum.judgehype.com/judgehype/Starcraft-II/promod-koreans-fous-sujet_445_1.htm
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/bkpzp/starcraft_ii_promod/
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/other-games/28719-sc2-news-195.html
http://www.illidrama.com/forums/showthread.php?22888-SC2-ProMod
http://www.united-forum.de/beta-f988/sc2-pro-mod-95939/
http://www.progaming.it/forum/showthread.php?t=94579
http://www.netwars.pl/forumview.php?t=119116
http://forums.sirlin.net/showthread.php?t=3391
http://www.mastersforum.de/thread.php?threadid=44117&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=15
http://forum.sc2galaxy.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=98
http://www.sc2tv.ru/1921-sc2-pro-mod-ili-kakim-dolzhen-byl-byt-sc2..html
http://www.sc2armory.com/forums/topic/13739
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/other-games/28719-sc2-news-194.html
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/forum/general_forum/starcraft_forum_/97229.html
http://forum.millenium.org/index.php/topic,78801.0.html
http://www.gamearena.com.au/news/read.php/5071550
http://www.insidegamer.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51490&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=800
http://lol.goodgamery.com/index.php?showtopic=152&st=1075

It was a lot of fun :-D

www.sc2promod.com

huun

Turkey58 Posts

April 11 2010 08:41 GMT

actually, it was a good idea ^^

ohN

United States1075 Posts

April 11 2010 08:46 GMT

Lol I wondered how long it would be before TL said "APRIL FOOLS!"

Manifesto7

Osaka27149 Posts

April 11 2010 08:47 GMT

I just want to say that I think it is a shame that zatic's hard work is going down the drain. After pitching this idea to the lazy TL staff, and then making that site from ~~Blizzard Community Kit~~ scratch, he deserves all the credit.

I blame progamers personally. Look at what IdrA had to say about a mod that would have extended his career in Korea greatly:

Idra [11:20 AM]: how big are the changes
Idra [11:20 AM]: and are there any dangers using it
Idra [11:20 AM]: legal with blizzard or otherwise
HotBid [11:20 AM]: legally its fine
HotBid [11:20 AM]: its like counterstrike modding HL2
Idra [11:20 AM]: how much does it change
Idra [11:20 AM]: or what does it change
HotBid [11:20 AM]: go to the website
HotBid [11:20 AM]: it has the features there
Idra [11:22 AM]: i think this is a bad idea
Idra [11:22 AM]: its gonna fragment the community and official tournaments are never gonna run on it
Idra [11:22 AM]: cuz blizz is gonna have a hand in everything thats really big and theyre not gonna use it
HotBid [11:22 AM]: yeah but they dont know how powerful ESPORTS community is
Idra [11:33 AM]: eh
Idra [11:33 AM]: i dont think korea or china will adopt it at all
Idra [11:33 AM]: and those are the biggies when you talk rts esports
Idra [11:33 AM]: if you can get big euro leagues on board then youll get a bit of a split
Idra [11:33 AM]: but i dont think its worth it
Idra [11:34 AM]: btw i dont know anything about anything with computers, does this operate a seperate ladder or what
Idra [11:34 AM]: like you can play on a ladder with other people using the mod and thats it?
Idra [11:34 AM]: or just customs
HotBid [11:34 AM]: we're going to run it through ICCup
Idra [11:34 AM]: ah
Idra [11:35 AM]: ya this is never gonna work
Idra [11:35 AM]: interface mods and fixing high ground or w/e
Idra [11:35 AM]: would be arguable
Idra [11:35 AM]: but major changes to the game itself
HotBid [11:36 AM]: id argue that the bigger issue is its release date
Idra [11:36 AM]: what do you mean
Idra [11:36 AM]: releasing the mod?
HotBid [11:36 AM]: yeah today
HotBid [11:36 AM]: is huge problem
Idra [11:36 AM]: well ya its way too early, no way it should be done during the beta at all
Idra [11:36 AM]: unless the goal is to demonstrate what blizz should be doing
HotBid [11:36 AM]: nah i think today specifically
HotBid [11:37 AM]: is the issue
Idra [11:37 AM]: oh
Idra [11:37 AM]: why
HotBid [11:37 AM]: just a hunch
Idra [11:38 AM]: you cant say somethin like that and then say “just a hunch” after a minute of typing and retyping
Idra [11:39 AM]: did you get muta micro working as well as sc1?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered
Idra [11:40 AM]: wait
Idra [11:40 AM]: what
Idra [11:40 AM]: function exactly like a carrier or spawns actual mutas
Idra [11:40 AM]: or do they act like broodlings
Idra [11:40 AM]: or what
Idra [11:40 AM]: i think making radical changes like that is just gonna discourage people even more
HotBid [11:40 AM]: i dunno its probably not as big a change as the DT buff
HotBid [11:41 AM]: giving DT reaper ability
Idra [11:42 AM]: theres no dt buff listed on that page
HotBid [11:42 AM]: its for the second patch
HotBid [11:42 AM]: cant list everything at once
HotBid [11:42 AM]: that'll overwhelm everyone
Idra [11:42 AM]: ah
Idra [11:42 AM]: i dunno i think if you really want this to be a good thing for the community you should do the interface changes, fix high ground and some of the auto micro features
Idra [11:42 AM]: and leave the actual gameplay as untouched as possible
Idra [11:43 AM]: and even then i think its bad to fragment it at all when we dont even know how sc2s gonna turn out
Idra [11:43 AM]: tbh i think it has quite a bit of potential as is
HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out
Idra [11:45 AM]: oh
Idra [11:45 AM]: i just moused over
Idra [11:45 AM]: the little date thing
Idra [11:45 AM]: you guys are cute
HotBid [11:45 AM]: LOL this convo is fucking gold
Idra [11:45 AM]: sigh
Idra [11:46 AM]: are people buying it
Idra [11:46 AM]: i havent read the forums
HotBid [11:46 AM]: 90% arent
HotBid [11:46 AM]: but i always knew you were special
Idra [11:46 AM]: i dont fuckin know what day it is

Some people just don't know what is good for them.

+ Show Spoiler +

Seriously, zatic is fucking amazing. He deserves huge props for making the promod a reality. As usual, this project worked on a TL timeline= idea thread in January, rebump in Feb and March, last minute panic 2 days before the deadline.

Frieder

Italy231 Posts

April 11 2010 08:48 GMT

It was good idea. Great april joke.

Husky

United States3362 Posts

April 11 2010 08:49 GMT

WTF, this was going to be the one thing to save eSports.

Why do you disappoint me so much TL?

Suc

Australia1569 Posts

April 11 2010 08:56 GMT

This was the funniest one that I could understand, good work Tergeron: http://www.illidrama.com/forums/showthread.php?22888-SC2-ProMod

edit: hahahaha IdrA chat was awesome

Kage

India788 Posts

April 11 2010 08:57 GMT

That idra chat was Gold. Zatic if you are working on this, you have the support! Don't listen to the haters (or idras balance opinions on a mod).

kobbler

Canada36 Posts

April 11 2010 08:58 GMT

LOLOLOLOL HotBids conversation with Idra had me laughing the whole way through!

prototype.

Canada4201 Posts

April 11 2010 09:00 GMT

#10

Mutalisks shooting out Mutalisks?
.
.
.
GENIUS!

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17727 Posts

April 11 2010 09:03 GMT

#11

LOL

IndecisivePenguin

United States771 Posts

April 11 2010 09:03 GMT

#12

TL is win. Nuff said.

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

April 11 2010 09:08 GMT

#13

On April 11 2010 18:00 prototype. wrote:
Mutalisks shooting out Mutalisks?
.
.
.
GENIUS!

Yo dawg, I heard you like-
Ah forget it.

Hahaha @ the Idra convo.

ComradeDover

Bulgaria758 Posts

April 11 2010 09:09 GMT

#14

lol

s.a.y

Croatia3840 Posts

April 11 2010 09:13 GMT

#15

omg, priceless :D

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21243 Posts

April 11 2010 09:14 GMT

#16

matthewfoulkes

United Kingdom246 Posts

April 11 2010 09:14 GMT

#17

email me at dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg
AAHAHHAHA

hefty

Denmark555 Posts

April 11 2010 09:16 GMT

#18

LOLOLOLOL HotBids conversation with Idra had me laughing the whole way through!

Indeed, that was golden!

Also liked:

Rich business man wrote:
Hello there.

I am a rich businessman, and I approve of this. I'll be injecting BILLIONS of ESPORTS dollars into this MOD.

Nowadays, profit's the thing, and when it comes to profit, all roads lead to ESPORTS.

I must say I'm perplexed so many people fell for this.. I guess it's because part of them really wanted it to be true. Maybe the premise was kinda believeable, but the actual changes and feedback quotes on the sc2promod page was just absurd, haha.

But good job, tl.net staff! Making so many people believe this was true made it one of the best april 1st jokes I've seen.

EDIT: Fixed quotes

towerranger

Austria134 Posts

April 11 2010 09:20 GMT

#19

I'll be injecting BILLIONS of ESPORTS dollars into this MOD.

LOL

Meta

United States6225 Posts

April 11 2010 09:26 GMT

#20

That conversation was hilarious hahaha. This was probably one of the better april fools jokes in a couple years, fooled me for a bit. Hooray for being able to edit posts.

Equaoh

Canada427 Posts

April 11 2010 09:28 GMT

#21

Oh my god I lost it laughing at Kwanro and Stork.

deL

Australia5540 Posts

April 11 2010 09:29 GMT

#22

Oh man, the Stork and YellOw comments, as well as the businessman and YOU SO NOOB STOP comments were awesome xD

One of the best April Fools jokes I have ever seen

grobo

Japan6199 Posts

April 11 2010 09:29 GMT

#23

"Yellow's" comment is absolutely beautiful, well played!

FarbrorAbavna

Sweden4856 Posts

April 11 2010 09:32 GMT

#24

lmao, that was not idra. where is the bm? another aprils fool(albeit not the 1st of april) ;D

Boblion

France8043 Posts

April 11 2010 09:40 GMT

#25

dt buff !

UbiNax

Denmark381 Posts

April 11 2010 09:52 GMT

#26

hahah :D funny stuff

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

April 11 2010 10:12 GMT

#27

The most funny part was the feedback section, specially the Dustin Browder and SangHo, eSTRO progamer feedback.

Earll

Norway847 Posts

April 11 2010 10:22 GMT

#28

Haha. Idra chat was hilarious.

Simple

United States801 Posts

April 11 2010 10:26 GMT

#29

that was a great april fools
what with beta and all the discussion around it and balance, it was perfect

FieryBalrog

United States1381 Posts

April 11 2010 10:52 GMT

#30

The idra conversation is fantastic.

I too love Mr. Rich Businessman

Talic_Zealot

688 Posts

April 11 2010 10:56 GMT

#31

Omfg the Idra conversation wins! Anyway when the editor comes out one of the first hundred things I'll try out in the first 24 hrs will be indeed making a direct clone of BW

. It probably won't happen till release though cause the game will have some classic unit models.

Welmu

Finland3295 Posts

April 11 2010 11:14 GMT

#32

Lol @ Stork... poor Stork =P

Shiladie

Canada1631 Posts

April 11 2010 11:21 GMT

#33

Idra conver is pure gold, very good job all involved!

It would be amazing if those comments tagged as the progamers were confirmed from them...

Ghardo

Germany1685 Posts

April 11 2010 11:27 GMT

#34

HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered

ahahahaahhahahahahahaha laughed my ass off @ the whole convo - perfect!

Julmust

Sweden4867 Posts

April 11 2010 11:35 GMT

#35

On April 11 2010 17:47 Manifesto7 wrote:
HotBid [11:36 AM]: id argue that the bigger issue is its release date
Idra [11:36 AM]: what do you mean
Idra [11:36 AM]: releasing the mod?
HotBid [11:36 AM]: yeah today
HotBid [11:36 AM]: is huge problem
Idra [11:36 AM]: well ya its way too early, no way it should be done during the beta at all
Idra [11:36 AM]: unless the goal is to demonstrate what blizz should be doing
HotBid [11:36 AM]: nah i think today specifically
HotBid [11:37 AM]: is the issue
Idra [11:37 AM]: oh
Idra [11:37 AM]: why
HotBid [11:37 AM]: just a hunch

Best part. It's like "yeah dude, I have a issue with TODAYS DATE" so funny

mgj

191 Posts

April 11 2010 11:43 GMT

#36

+ Show Spoiler +

Show nested quote +

Some people just don't know what is good for them.

+ Show Spoiler +

haha so awesome =D

danl9rm

United States3111 Posts

April 11 2010 12:42 GMT

#37

i thoroughly enjoyed the comments from the feedback. that really is all of them cuz i saw mine in there(must be right?)!

then i busted out laughing when hot_bid was talking to idra and he mentioned all mutas morphing into a big one

and then i started crying when he said DT's got reaper ability

loved it. good job guys.

diehilde

Germany1596 Posts

April 11 2010 15:54 GMT

#38

god the idra convo is killing me :D

lol.Froste

United States112 Posts

April 11 2010 16:04 GMT

#39

rofl i love this serious guy

and then right underneath him

this mod my balls

loool

bobhund

Sweden364 Posts

April 11 2010 16:16 GMT

#40

Best aprils joke ever :D Idra chat was indeed awsome.

Kyuukyuu

Canada6263 Posts

April 11 2010 16:29 GMT

#41

LOOOOOOOL idra chat!! hahaha. stork, kwanro, and yellow's comments were hilarious too

great work TL, haven't seen this many people get trolled by an internet april fools joke for a long while

SichuanPanda

Canada1542 Posts

April 11 2010 16:35 GMT

#42

A mod like this would have never worked, because it probably would violate the ToS / EULA. Some of the ideas were cool, but for the most part I enjoy the direction SC2 is taking, granted it needs extensive balancing still. Nut not only is it still in BETA, but it took BW almost three years to approach true balance, and more on the order of five or six to achieve the fine-tuned game we see now when we watch pros. More importantly the pros all play a certain way (i.e. extremely skillfully), and I'm sure once the full pro community gets its hands on SC2 we will say massive changes in play style. I mean before Flash I don't think anyone could have predicted a player would come a long and revolutionize Terran play. But these days its almost expected to see innovation from all of the pro players. Great April Fools Joke, almost approaches Blizzard's level of polish.

Was anyone else disappointed by Blizzard's this year? Far from their best stuff.

hoborg

United States430 Posts

April 11 2010 16:48 GMT

#43

HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one

You just wait until the mod editor is released...

seRapH

United States9756 Posts

April 11 2010 16:52 GMT

#44

IdrA convo was day-making

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

April 11 2010 16:54 GMT

#45

The sclegacy thread is pretty great hahaha.

VereZ

France34 Posts

April 11 2010 16:59 GMT

#46

nice post, lot of fun reading it :D

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

April 11 2010 17:04 GMT

#47

Omg the Yellow comment and the idra conversation was amazing.
I'm out of breath.

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts

April 11 2010 17:08 GMT

#48

LOL THIS IS FUCKING GOLD~

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

April 11 2010 17:08 GMT

#49

When will they actually announce it's an april fool's joke :O

Crazazyasian1337

United States362 Posts

April 11 2010 17:08 GMT

#50

hahaha. love that convo with idra

beetlelisk

Poland2276 Posts

April 11 2010 17:12 GMT

#51

IdrA impressed me, I thought he would be one of the people who would automaticly choose mod.
Nice chat btw :D

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

April 11 2010 17:12 GMT

#52

+ Show Spoiler +

Idra [11:39 AM]: did you get muta micro working as well as sc1?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered
Idra [11:40 AM]: wait
Idra [11:40 AM]: what
Idra [11:40 AM]: function exactly like a carrier or spawns actual mutas
Idra [11:40 AM]: or do they act like broodlings
Idra [11:40 AM]: or what
Idra [11:40 AM]: i think making radical changes like that is just gonna discourage people even more

Gold.

OmgIRok

Taiwan2699 Posts

April 11 2010 17:54 GMT

#53

On April 11 2010 17:56 Suc wrote:
This was the funniest one that I could understand, good work Tergeron: http://www.illidrama.com/forums/showthread.php?22888-SC2-ProMod

edit: hahahaha IdrA chat was awesome

OMFG THIS DONZIA GUY IS FUCKING LOLZ
"ESPORTS is not MEN playing SPORTS. It's NERDS pressing BUTTONS."
holy shit this donzia guy has me dieing

Zoler

Sweden6339 Posts

April 11 2010 18:08 GMT

#54

OMG hahaha read through all the "feedback" so fucken gold haha

I love you Teamliquid <3

Graham

Canada1259 Posts

April 11 2010 18:11 GMT

#55

Hahaha that conversation log was the funniest thing I've read in awhile.
:D

da_head

Canada3350 Posts

April 11 2010 18:15 GMT

#56

awesome xD

saritenite

Singapore1680 Posts

April 11 2010 18:25 GMT

#57

Greg Fields:
Can protoss be removed?

Am I the only guy who saw this? :D

Mastermind

Canada7096 Posts

April 11 2010 18:29 GMT

#58

Great work TL. Best April fools joke this year.

prog.ress

United States142 Posts

April 11 2010 18:29 GMT

#59

I fucking lol'd. The IdrA chat was friggin gold towards the end.

meegrean

Thailand7699 Posts

April 11 2010 18:30 GMT

#60

it was a good one

WaZuP

Germany487 Posts

April 11 2010 18:37 GMT

#61

at first I totaly believed this promod stuff >.<
glad to see that im not alone... thx idra :D

ZaaaaaM

Netherlands1828 Posts

April 11 2010 18:42 GMT

#62

haha idra convo is epic! the best april fool ive seen this year

DrivE

United States2554 Posts

April 11 2010 18:52 GMT

#63

WIN! i will support this mod for all eternity

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

April 11 2010 18:53 GMT

#64

LOL @ IdrA

cartoon]x

United States606 Posts

April 11 2010 19:03 GMT

#65

wow, didn't realize dustin browder actually wrote you guys! LOL. After all the april fools jokes blizzard has played on us, the fans finally get revenge!

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

April 11 2010 19:22 GMT

#66

It gave me great laughs!

raz`

United Kingdom33 Posts

April 11 2010 19:33 GMT

#67

"We never liked the thor. It is slow, tedious to micro and way too big. We already have the battle cruiser for that. The thor in SC2ProMod has been greatly reduced in size, giving it much better maneuverability. Its AA damage has been reduced to 10 +10 against armor. However to balance that it receives the new Charon booster upgrade which extends it’s range to 9 (that of a carrier or broodlord). Cost has been reduced to 100/50."

First thing I read on the site.

-And people fell for it. LMFAO.

edit**
idra=gold LOL

Half

United States2554 Posts

April 11 2010 19:42 GMT

#68

"Idra [11:39 AM]: did you get muta micro working as well as sc1?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered
Idra [11:40 AM]: wait
Idra [11:40 AM]: what
Idra [11:40 AM]: function exactly like a carrier or spawns actual mutas
Idra [11:40 AM]: or do they act like broodlings
Idra [11:40 AM]: or what"

Words fail me

I loled so hard.

dcberkeley

Canada844 Posts

April 11 2010 19:56 GMT

#69

On April 12 2010 04:42 Half wrote:
"Idra [11:39 AM]: did you get muta micro working as well as sc1?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered
Idra [11:40 AM]: wait
Idra [11:40 AM]: what
Idra [11:40 AM]: function exactly like a carrier or spawns actual mutas
Idra [11:40 AM]: or do they act like broodlings
Idra [11:40 AM]: or what"

Words fail me

I loled so hard.

EPIC

minus_human

4784 Posts

April 11 2010 20:07 GMT

#70

Pure, fucking, GOLD.

Thank you for this TL!

Phearlock

Norway400 Posts

April 11 2010 20:22 GMT

#71

Zatic, you are a baller.

One of the most entertaining april fools jokes I've seen (even though not that many fell for it it was sooo worth it due to the ones that did) ^^

boesthius

United States11637 Posts

April 11 2010 20:23 GMT

#72

--- Nuked ---

Nal_rAwr

United States2611 Posts

April 11 2010 20:27 GMT

#73

lol i got the third feedback comment

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

April 11 2010 20:28 GMT

#74

rofl loved how Idra completely believed it

. Was a good joke I believed it for about 20 seconds before I realized it was a joke

Archaic

United States4024 Posts

April 11 2010 20:41 GMT

#75

Hahahaha, that's hilarious. It's just golden.

LuMiX

China5757 Posts

April 11 2010 20:53 GMT

#76

the merging of the mutalisk and that shooting out smaller mutalisk! very good hb haha xD

hyst.eric.al

United States2332 Posts

April 11 2010 21:35 GMT

#77

idra conversation should make OP or people may miss an idea generating genius

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

April 11 2010 22:36 GMT

#78

OMG HotBid you're my hero, that conversation where you troll Idra was funtastic :D

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

April 11 2010 22:50 GMT

#79

Hahahah, lol@ stork's comment. poor guy.

idra's convo is great x]

TurboDreams

United States427 Posts

April 11 2010 23:17 GMT

#80

Haha nice April Fools Joke :D

unsoundlogic

United States391 Posts

April 11 2010 23:19 GMT

#81

Wow that illidrama thread was amazing haha I can't get over it.

intrudor

Canada446 Posts

April 11 2010 23:37 GMT

#82

im not interested in laughing. im interested in SC2 being as good as BW. ive never played a single game...but ...obviously..reading the feedback...im concerned.

If some dude made an awesome Half-life mod, which became Counter-Strike....i hope that SC2 Pro-mode actually gets done in the future, in the event that SC2 doesnt live up to the expectations.

do you want to laugh at an april's fool for a few minutes? and be sad for years to come due to the fact that SC2 actually sucks? or is SC2Pro-mod an idea that should be taken seriously?

btw....was Zatic serious in his intention to create this project? (i.e. was he using april's fools day as a prospectus)

Belano

Sweden657 Posts

April 11 2010 23:39 GMT

#83

LOL

the IdrA convo made my month! Mad props to zatic and everyone else who might have helped.

FREEloss_ca

Canada603 Posts

April 11 2010 23:40 GMT

#84

"email me at dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg"

LMAO.

FusionCutter

Canada974 Posts

April 12 2010 00:15 GMT

#85

dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg!!!!!! LOL

Best April fools ever! I so got fooled!

saritenite

Singapore1680 Posts

April 12 2010 00:16 GMT

#86

This thread deserves more love <3 THANKS ZATIC :D

zomgzergrush

United States923 Posts

April 12 2010 00:17 GMT

#87

Did dustin REALLY reply to it???

Or are all those names made up?

Edit: i get it now

i didn't know about the terrible, terrible reference

Bael

Australia49 Posts

April 12 2010 00:21 GMT

#88

I have to admit, my mind went through Idra's exact line of thinking before I realised what day it was. Hilarious stuff

ShawnWilkesBooth

United States13 Posts

April 12 2010 00:26 GMT

#89

On April 12 2010 08:37 intrudor wrote:
im not interested in laughing. im interested in SC2 being as good as BW. ive never played a single game...but ...obviously..reading the feedback...im concerned.

If some dude made an awesome Half-life mod, which became Counter-Strike....i hope that SC2 Pro-mode actually gets done in the future, in the event that SC2 doesnt live up to the expectations.

do you want to laugh at an april's fool for a few minutes? and be sad for years to come due to the fact that SC2 actually sucks? or is SC2Pro-mod an idea that should be taken seriously?

btw....was Zatic serious in his intention to create this project? (i.e. was he using april's fools day as a prospectus)

You're an idiot.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

April 12 2010 00:42 GMT

#90

Zatic, you are amazing.

Gann1

United States1575 Posts

April 12 2010 00:46 GMT

#91

The SCLegacy thread was the best. So many people angry that those darn elitists at TeamLiquid fooled them

29 fps

United States5724 Posts

April 12 2010 00:49 GMT

#92

this joke along with chill's fresh prince of bel air opening theme troll thread are the best

dementus

Singapore1151 Posts

April 12 2010 00:57 GMT

#93

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't fooled initially when I looked at the thread title that day. Art trolling there, great prank guys!

ZeroByDivide

Canada85 Posts

April 12 2010 01:12 GMT

#94

Idra [11:45 AM]: sigh
Idra [11:46 AM]: are people buying it
Idra [11:46 AM]: i havent read the forums
HotBid [11:46 AM]: 90% arent
HotBid [11:46 AM]: but i always knew you were special
Idra [11:46 AM]: i dont fuckin know what day it is

ROFL.

email me at dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg

HAHAHAHHAHA *dead*

Grey

United States9 Posts

April 12 2010 01:14 GMT

#95

Awesome April fools! Definitely gave me sweaty palms while I was reading it...

It really scares me that some people honestly think it's a good idea though. Good old bw player hubris!

kerpal

United Kingdom2695 Posts

April 12 2010 01:23 GMT

#96

On April 11 2010 18:14 matthewfoulkes wrote:
email me at dustin_b@terriblex2.dmg
AAHAHHAHA

glad you liked it!

hifriend

China7935 Posts

April 12 2010 01:29 GMT

#97

This was a successful endeavour.

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

April 12 2010 01:46 GMT

#98

On April 12 2010 02:54 OmgIRok wrote:

Show nested quote +

OMFG THIS DONZIA GUY IS FUCKING LOLZ
"ESPORTS is not MEN playing SPORTS. It's NERDS pressing BUTTONS."
holy shit this donzia guy has me dieing

That Donzia guy just can not get over how badly he got fooled by the joke hahaha

3FFA

United States3931 Posts

April 12 2010 02:04 GMT

#99

I don't get why TL.net would try to make such a huge april fools joke and make it sound like something good when in fact it sucks. WHY TL WHY ZATIC, WHY?!?

deathgod6

United States5064 Posts

April 12 2010 02:13 GMT

#100

hahaahha DTs with reaper jetpacks. Teamliquid is awesome.

PhiliBiRD

United States2643 Posts

April 12 2010 02:17 GMT

#101

if it wasnt a joke, im glad they arent doing this. sounded really bad.

intrudor

Canada446 Posts

April 12 2010 03:41 GMT

#102

On April 12 2010 09:26 ShawnWilkesBooth wrote:

Show nested quote +

You're an idiot.

dude, you got 11 posts so far on this forum. youre not really in a position to decide who's intelligent and who's not.

Re-Play-

Dominican Republic825 Posts

April 12 2010 04:10 GMT

#103

lol

zipz0p

United States123 Posts

April 12 2010 07:04 GMT

#104

The conversation with Idra made me giggle.

I like the YellOw comment too - classic.

Bormac

Belgium122 Posts

April 12 2010 09:20 GMT

#105

Oh god, the Jaedong and Yellow "comments", along with the Idra-Hotbid chat, still have me laughing at my desk.

Thank you Zatic, and all other magnificent bastards involved.

quaLLe

Germany11 Posts

April 12 2010 13:27 GMT

#106

oh lord.. idra convo is so fuckin great.. got me laughin for the past 30 min :D

kerpal

United Kingdom2695 Posts

April 12 2010 13:29 GMT

#107

On April 12 2010 11:17 PhiliBiRD wrote:
if it wasnt a joke, im glad they arent doing this. sounded really bad.

still people haven't worked this out?

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

April 12 2010 13:31 GMT

#108

Yeah people are pretty dumb.

SmoKim

Denmark10305 Posts

April 12 2010 13:40 GMT

#109

What is the point of SCII if it was identical to BW? Why buy/play the same game twice? Why not play you know.... BW? To many companies realeased sequels these days that are nothing more then better graphics and some new maps.

They are NOT the same game, and they shouldn't

"(...)ive never played a single game(...)" Maybe wait saying it will suck until you tried it? Who knows you might love it

psychopat

Canada417 Posts

April 12 2010 14:18 GMT

#110

On April 12 2010 12:41 intrudor wrote:

Show nested quote +

dude, you got 11 posts so far on this forum. youre not really in a position to decide who's intelligent and who's not.

Because we all know that the number of posts properly reflects intellectual acumen, right? I realize and understand why a certain amount of favouritism to the regulars, but your retort kind of proves his point, regardless of how tactless that point was.

As for the prank, it was very well done. It had an air of believability up until you really started browsing through the promod site and reading it all. It being March in the Americas at the time of the release was just icing on the cake and I'm sure that that contributed a lot to how many people were fooled. I think the Donzia and the Idra stuff were the funniest.

zul

Germany5427 Posts

April 12 2010 15:38 GMT

#111

"a giant muta is an useful unit toi have"

TotalBiscuit

United Kingdom5437 Posts

April 12 2010 15:43 GMT

#112

Truly, today is a dark day for ESPORTS

sLiniss

United States849 Posts

April 12 2010 15:53 GMT

#113

I'd buy some TL stocks

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

April 13 2010 00:51 GMT

#114

On April 13 2010 00:38 zul wrote:
"a giant muta is an useful unit toi have"

BAHAHAHA!!

Seriously Idra played along so well in that convo with hotbid I thought it was just for lolz. Turns out he really lives up to being as "special" as we all know him to be.

intrudor

Canada446 Posts

April 13 2010 03:00 GMT

#115

On April 12 2010 22:40 SmoKim wrote:

Show nested quote +

theres a fine line between "SC2 being the SAME as SC:BW" and "SC2 being the SAME as SC:BW"
we dont want it to actually "be the same".

what we want is a new game that keeps the core strategic elements that made BW so great and mixes it with all the new graphics/units/abilities/maps that SC2 should bring to the table. So introducing retarded automations and removing the defender's advantage and ignoring the positional importance of the armies etc... just for the sake of making sure SC2 isnt the same as BW is idiotic. if it aint broke, dont fix it. if you can recognize the key elements that made the original masterpiece so great, logic will tell you that you need to keep them while designing the sequel of the said masterpiece. ...and let's face it...reading the feedback we're getting from beta-testers, it's pretty clear that right now, SC2 is a decent game but it won't come close to matching BW's quality, let alone surpassing it.

That being said, its obvious that its way too early to try to come up with a PROmod since we're only in the beta phase. But if after a few patches after the official release, we (serious gamers who actually know how a serious RTS should be like) still dont like the direction that SC2 is taking, then it will be time to start working on a fuckin' pro-mod to salvage this great franchise. if the FPS guys did it with counter-strike, then i dont see why we couldnt.

we can think about that, or we can just laugh at some not-that-funny pranks.

BamBam

745 Posts

April 13 2010 03:50 GMT

#116

On April 12 2010 22:40 SmoKim wrote:

What is the point of SCII if it was identical to BW? Why buy/play the same game twice? Why not play you know.... BW? To many companies realeased sequels these days that are nothing more then better graphics and some new maps.

They are NOT the same game, and they shouldn't

"(...)ive never played a single game(...)" Maybe wait saying it will suck until you tried it? Who knows you might love it

For the same reason the masses bought Halo 2 as the sequel to Halo:CE

For the same reason the masses bought Mass Effect 2 as the sequel to Mass Effect

For the same reason the masses continue to buy the latest civilization franchise (Number #5 is coming out btw)

For the same reason the masses buy Napoleon: Total war as a sequel from Empire : Total war

A sequel's duty, is to carry onward what made the original great, while adding new and exciting things while scrapping the crappy stuff that made no sense and updating the game with the latest graphics to take advantage of a large consumer market to make the "big white men" rich. It is a shame that from the 10 year transition, the original starcraft crew has been lost.

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

April 13 2010 04:09 GMT

#117

loooooool

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

April 13 2010 06:54 GMT

#118

lmao at the Yellow comment and at the Idra convo

udgnim

United States8024 Posts

March 31 2011 19:20 GMT

#119

On April 11 2010 17:47 Manifesto7 wrote:
I just want to say that I think it is a shame that zatic's hard work is going down the drain. After pitching this idea to the lazy TL staff, and then making that site from ~~Blizzard Community Kit~~ scratch, he deserves all the credit.

I blame progamers personally. Look at what IdrA had to say about a mod that would have extended his career in Korea greatly:

Idra [11:20 AM]: how big are the changes
Idra [11:20 AM]: and are there any dangers using it
Idra [11:20 AM]: legal with blizzard or otherwise
HotBid [11:20 AM]: legally its fine
HotBid [11:20 AM]: its like counterstrike modding HL2
Idra [11:20 AM]: how much does it change
Idra [11:20 AM]: or what does it change
HotBid [11:20 AM]: go to the website
HotBid [11:20 AM]: it has the features there
Idra [11:22 AM]: i think this is a bad idea
Idra [11:22 AM]: its gonna fragment the community and official tournaments are never gonna run on it
Idra [11:22 AM]: cuz blizz is gonna have a hand in everything thats really big and theyre not gonna use it
HotBid [11:22 AM]: yeah but they dont know how powerful ESPORTS community is
Idra [11:33 AM]: eh
Idra [11:33 AM]: i dont think korea or china will adopt it at all
Idra [11:33 AM]: and those are the biggies when you talk rts esports
Idra [11:33 AM]: if you can get big euro leagues on board then youll get a bit of a split
Idra [11:33 AM]: but i dont think its worth it
Idra [11:34 AM]: btw i dont know anything about anything with computers, does this operate a seperate ladder or what
Idra [11:34 AM]: like you can play on a ladder with other people using the mod and thats it?
Idra [11:34 AM]: or just customs
HotBid [11:34 AM]: we're going to run it through ICCup
Idra [11:34 AM]: ah
Idra [11:35 AM]: ya this is never gonna work
Idra [11:35 AM]: interface mods and fixing high ground or w/e
Idra [11:35 AM]: would be arguable
Idra [11:35 AM]: but major changes to the game itself
HotBid [11:36 AM]: id argue that the bigger issue is its release date
Idra [11:36 AM]: what do you mean
Idra [11:36 AM]: releasing the mod?
HotBid [11:36 AM]: yeah today
HotBid [11:36 AM]: is huge problem
Idra [11:36 AM]: well ya its way too early, no way it should be done during the beta at all
Idra [11:36 AM]: unless the goal is to demonstrate what blizz should be doing
HotBid [11:36 AM]: nah i think today specifically
HotBid [11:37 AM]: is the issue
Idra [11:37 AM]: oh
Idra [11:37 AM]: why
HotBid [11:37 AM]: just a hunch
Idra [11:38 AM]: you cant say somethin like that and then say “just a hunch” after a minute of typing and retyping
Idra [11:39 AM]: did you get muta micro working as well as sc1?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: we're thinking of doing one big mutalisk
HotBid [11:39 AM]: like morphing them all into one
Idra [11:39 AM]: permanently?
HotBid [11:39 AM]: then it shoots out smaller mutas like interceptors
Idra [11:39 AM]: that would be ridiculously overpowered
Idra [11:40 AM]: wait
Idra [11:40 AM]: what
Idra [11:40 AM]: function exactly like a carrier or spawns actual mutas
Idra [11:40 AM]: or do they act like broodlings
Idra [11:40 AM]: or what
Idra [11:40 AM]: i think making radical changes like that is just gonna discourage people even more
HotBid [11:40 AM]: i dunno its probably not as big a change as the DT buff
HotBid [11:41 AM]: giving DT reaper ability
Idra [11:42 AM]: theres no dt buff listed on that page
HotBid [11:42 AM]: its for the second patch
HotBid [11:42 AM]: cant list everything at once
HotBid [11:42 AM]: that'll overwhelm everyone
Idra [11:42 AM]: ah
Idra [11:42 AM]: i dunno i think if you really want this to be a good thing for the community you should do the interface changes, fix high ground and some of the auto micro features
Idra [11:42 AM]: and leave the actual gameplay as untouched as possible
Idra [11:43 AM]: and even then i think its bad to fragment it at all when we dont even know how sc2s gonna turn out
Idra [11:43 AM]: tbh i think it has quite a bit of potential as is
HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out
Idra [11:45 AM]: oh
Idra [11:45 AM]: i just moused over
Idra [11:45 AM]: the little date thing
Idra [11:45 AM]: you guys are cute
HotBid [11:45 AM]: LOL this convo is fucking gold
Idra [11:45 AM]: sigh
Idra [11:46 AM]: are people buying it
Idra [11:46 AM]: i havent read the forums
HotBid [11:46 AM]: 90% arent
HotBid [11:46 AM]: but i always knew you were special
Idra [11:46 AM]: i dont fuckin know what day it is

Some people just don't know what is good for them.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm just going to bump this IRC conversation back up

also, I guess it all makes sense why Idra has such a beef with Manifesto. he's obviously still salty over this private conversation between Hotbid and him being revealed by Manifesto.

zatic

Zurich15328 Posts

April 01 2016 08:05 GMT

#120

NEVER FORGET

What SC2 could have become!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/news-archive/117987-sc2b-sc2-pro-mod
http://www.sc2promod.com/

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