Patch 8 Discussion - Page 44

On April 08 2010 15:58 Savio wrote:
After playing patch 8, my verdict is:

Zerg is broke. Kerrigan is doing Terran's dishes while being pimp-slapped by Zeratul at the same time.

On April 08 2010 15:54 Bosko wrote:
I might be looking at this wrong but...T have to spend 100/100 early to get the marauder back to where they were pre-patch, zerg can just do the same with the armor upgrade at he evo chamber, except all their ground get 1 armor. Obviously not going to be the same late game at max upgrades, but that 1 armor really only affects marines/zealots/zerglings.

"OmFG marines do dmg to my Roaches now wTf imba." You still have banelings...

"Thor splash dmg!!!!!" I still remember how to micro vs corsair, I imagine its not terribly different.

"Hydra HP NERF omg they're so useless now." They still do a shit ton of dmg and they're still behind a wall of lings/roaches, or are you just trying to mass 1 unit and expect to win?

Seems like zerg players are mad they have to get good at the game now that its becoming balanced.

On April 08 2010 16:04 Pekkz wrote:


Even tried somthing else then roach hydra ? 1 armor nerf and 10 hp aint gonna turn the tables anyways. If you are having troubles with thor , I suggest you try neural parasite.

On April 08 2010 16:05 Radiomouse wrote:
micro'ing muta's against thor splash is not really something that is feasible, as the muta range is so much smaller than the thor range that you practically get shot at halfway across the map.

On April 08 2010 16:09 shinosai wrote:
My thoughts are that the constant nerfs to barracks units are encouraging terran more and more to turtle in their base until they have a decent bioball or have teched to better units. I can see protoss fast expansion being fairly effective vs terran in the future as we really do have to hide in our base until we either get concussion upgraded or have banshees.

Overall the patch has not made much difference to me except for two things:
Faster tanks means TvT has turned into an even bigger tankfest.
Now have to hide in my base vs protoss early game. Midgame is the same.

Yea. I find it really sad that terran got thor as such a wonderful counter to mutas (when they already have superior static AA, marines, vikings) in Thor, while toss still really struggle against them.

I have no idea why you'd be afraid of toss.

On April 08 2010 16:05 Radiomouse wrote:
the big problem which they haven't adressed in the slightest is the zerg army diversity.

Roach is still the best bet because it is such a solid unit, but seeing as terran got buffed and protoss got no significant nerf(who goes void rays anyways, aside from trying to snipe a hatch) while non of the other zerg units got a boost this patch is pretty bad for zerg.

if you thought the 2 immortal timing push used to be difficult to hold off, now you're almost certain to die to it.

micro'ing muta's against thor splash is not really something that is feasible, as the muta range is so much smaller than the thor range that you practically get shot at halfway across the map.

edit@pxz:

There are no other units, really. Mutas are only good for harassing as are zerglings. Ultra's die to everything. Now ofcourse you can argue that there should be more support units being massed. But i hardly think a mass infestor build is usefull.

On April 08 2010 15:27 cHaNg-sTa wrote:


That's like saying upgrading attack or armor once is nothing -_-

On April 08 2010 16:09 Savio wrote:


Ya zerglings do great against hellions and mutas totally pwn thors.

Its a good thing the maurader got nerfed or it would just be as strong as it used to be.

Patch 8 was AMAZING!

On April 08 2010 16:14 shinosai wrote:


Thor is not really a good counter to mutas, as they can easily be outmaneuvered, and also picked off one at a time if you don't have them all together.



Zealots move just as quickly as marines and marauders. If you don't kite them, they will beat them. Hence, needing to stay in your base until you can deal with them.

On April 08 2010 16:09 Savio wrote:


Ya zerglings do great against hellions and mutas totally pwn thors.

Its a good thing the maurader got nerfed or it would just be as strong as it used to be.

Patch 8 was AMAZING!

On April 08 2010 15:46 Chen wrote:

Seven maybe 8 with this one, its arguable that the void ray change was a nerf, since its more expensive and less durable in exchange for being better vs light units, which means now its terrible vs them instead of being absolutely useless.


in alot of circumstances, 1 armor is nothing, but in some specific areas its pretty significant.
ie now 0 atk immortals 3-shot roaches instead of leaving them at 2-3 hp,
lings get a 33% atk buff vs them, zlots gain a 16% atk boost, and marines get a 25% attack boost.
vs things like tanks and thors, obviously the 1 armor is irrelevant, but early game especially its pretty big. although his claim that they are useless in large battles even as a shield is probably just whining

Isnt it really easy just to get the burrow upgrade with roaches and just pop right on top of the tanks? They cant see you moving at them unless they have a raven, and with mech being sooo gas intensive that seems unlikely

On April 08 2010 16:14 shinosai wrote:
Zealots move just as quickly as marines and marauders. If you don't kite them, they will beat them. Hence, needing to stay in your base until you can deal with them.

On April 08 2010 16:20 Floophead_III wrote:


ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Thor is the biggest counter to mutalisks ever. It's not even fair. 3 thors can kill infinite mutalisks. 1 thor can defend your base vs early muta no problem. Combine a few turrets in your minlines and muta are completely worthless.

On April 08 2010 16:05 Geo.Rion wrote:


Hm let's see according to your logic. Banelings do dmg? You can shoot down them, so the do 0 dmg. You can focus on hydras with tanks and thors, they do not do dmg either, medivacs heal the amount of dmg roaches might do, so Zergs dont do dmg to Terran.
Your comment sounds sg like this.