EPTCan Obs attack Banshees? Also, try to micro around your stalkers/sentries to pick off Banshees against a competent player. Almost impossible without blink. It's especially a nightmare on maps with cliffs and your mineral line hugging against it.
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
Can Obs attack Banshees? Also, try to micro around your stalkers/sentries to pick off Banshees against a competent player. Almost impossible without blink. It's especially a nightmare on maps with cliffs and your mineral line hugging against it. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
why would he be joking? At least post *some* reasonings behind your statements. The storm nerf is not really that big, its radius decreases slightly. As of right now, a protoss army with 2-3 templars will crush any sort of bio composition. EMP helps, but any decent protoss will keep his templars spread apart and near the back of their blob until you cast EMP (unless they feedback your ghost). At least now, early on when protoss doesnt have tons of templar, you can actually stand a chance at winning the battle with stim. Im not sure how it affects PvZ because I don't play that M/U. Broodlord nerf I see as a good thing, They are really strong lategame ZvT imo, and can be game deciders quite often. Turret damage increase against mutas was needed imo. Muta harass is really strong in sc2, and although they cannot stack, they still cause alot of damage. When playing a zerg that does a roach opening into muta tech switch is really hard due to your complete lack of marines when fighting against his roaches. Scanning him and seeing 9 muta usually mean automatic death. At least now turrets stand a fighting chance to allow you to get back into the game, and make marines. In sc1 turrets were better due to their range which allowed them to work together. In sc2 with the shorter initial range, a muta tech switch rapes turrets 1 at a time. Thor splash damage was needed imo. Your argument is that multiple thors will be able to dispel tons of muta is probably correct. However, if a terran player is capable of attaining 2-3 thors then obviously mutalisks wouldnt be a viable tech choice that late in the game. If you are muta harassing him early on, then typically his economy will be hurting too much to produce a thor quick enough to stop you. If he does succeed in producing a thor, then you know its time to switch tech, rather than continue on with muta production. Thors are expensive, and odds are he will be lacking in other areas because of it. I think the upgrade was good, and at least gives terran a splash attack to air other than HSM, and another way to fend of mutas. The only thing im confused about is the banshee buff. I don't know why they decided to give it more HP. Currently 1 banshee can kill 1 queen in TvZ, and now they just made that easier. TvP once you amass 6-8 banshees, the added 10 will add up, and since you can practically 1 shot stalkers/sentries, that added hp will lead to quite a few more protoss unit deaths. I think this buff will come back to haunt them lol. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:39 FortuneSyn wrote: organic carapace nerf is retarded. Who the hell burrows roaches 1 by 1 in a late game fight. storm needed the nerf, however temp tech tree is still outclassed by robo early game. why would you burrow them one by one? late game ZvP you may be up against mass storm, andif he storms your roaches you mass burrow them and run out of the aoe until you regen then unburrow, rinse and repeat. | ||
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Mecha71
United States59 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:06 Dacendoran wrote: They did that last patch already. I don't think anyone at Blizz actually plays protoss I mean they really don't like that race from the looks of it. This just reeks badly of wow forum 13 year old QQ. It's just as stupid as the people who claim "WAAHHH, obviously the dev's dont play (inset your class here) so they obviously nerf it, WAHH WAHH WAHH." People need to stop taking it so personally when their race gets some nerfs, its all in the name of balance, sorry. This is the SC crew handling starcraft, not the wow team. There's no favorites here, because an unbalanced game means less money for them. Everyone raging about +10 hp banshees, please keep in mind they also just buffed cannons, turrets, and spores. Now here we have a rational thinker who doesn't immediately burn down his house in rage. I cant believe people still doubt the people that made STARCRAFT, the most balanced RTS known to man, and think they somehow make decisions without thought. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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OOl
United States65 Posts
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nineninja9
United States194 Posts
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rjT.
Italy295 Posts
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TerranUp16
United States88 Posts
Very nice Thor buff and that along with Turret buff will help meching Terrans a LOT against Zerg. Roach looks to be in a period of transition with all of the nerfing to its regen. I can't really argue with that though because 145hp for a 75/25 unit particularly with the mutated larvae macro mechanic is really already enough (but then again it could be argued that Vultures' good speed, respectable damage, excellent harass potential, and ok health was already plenty without having to toss free Spider Mines on a 75 mineral unit xD). My first thought about the Spine Crawler buff was anti-Hellions although they still die in the same number of hits from it (although it *sounds* like they reduced the cooldown of Spine Crawlers? so that would definitely hurt Hellion harass; only other guess for "attack period" is the time it takes the Spine Crawler to shove its pointy appendage out but 2.2 and 1.6 sound way too long for that and I thought that was treated as more of a missile with a specific animation). Spore Crawler and Photon Cannon buffs are nice. The three changes I don't agree with then are the Banshee health buff (it really didn't need it from everything I've seen in every match-up), Psi Storm radius decrease (yeah it destroys bio-balls, but I've been questioning the long-term viability of bio-balls for awhile now; also, key there is "bio-balls"- would really prefer to see superior, less ball-y micro emerge before seeing Storm get nerfed like that), and Brood Lord damage decrease. The latter, unless Brood Lords are making some kind of resurgence in ZvP, I don't feel are much of an issue in TvP as long as the Terran scouts the Greater Spire (given that is going to be relatively later-game, should be using more Comsats by then anyway) and macros up some Vikings, the cost of which is more than justified by the Zerg player paying for Brood Lords that should die pretty quickly to a proper counter. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:40 asdfTT123 wrote: Can Obs attack Banshees? Also, try to micro around your stalkers to pick of Banshees against a competent player. It's especially a nightmare on maps with cliffs. OH against a competent player? sorry i misunderstood, i thought we were talking about banshees being controlled by a 4 year old. my bad dude, your right, placing stalkers with obs to give vision at key points behind your minerals is a dum dum dummie idea. also i forgot obs cant attack air, sry @_@ | ||
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VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:41 hugman wrote: Bye bye muta harass couldnt have said it better myself~ | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:41 0neder wrote: They can always give splash to archons like they just did to Thor. That would really be great IMO. Also, the better Archons are, the more HTs and DTs will be used beforehand. Archons already have splash, what are you talking aboot? | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:43 mOnion wrote: OH against a competent player? sorry i misunderstood, i thought we were talking about banshees being controlled by a 4 year old. my bad dude, your right, placing stalkers with obs to give vision at key points behind your minerals is a dum dum dummie idea. Seriously, what is your problem? I'm just trying to throw in my two cents and yet you find some need to start flaming me? | ||
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
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