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On March 27 2010 11:24 TossFloss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:17 MeProU_Kor wrote:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game.. Some have jobs or own small businesses requiring they be on call 24/7. If I'm very close to completing an important deal and the client calls me Friday 9pm I cannot just ignore them.
this persons would leave the game instead of tpying wait 10mins for my serious business deals, dont you think too? the only persons who rage about people who unpause or dont accept to wait more than 5mins are mostly some geeks who have a ton of time and are not willed to give a freewin for their "faults".
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I would like if there would be a short unpause delay. When the user would unpause the game there would e.g. be a 3 second delay (+ a visible countdown) before the match would continue.
Why? Too often people don't ask if their opponent is ready when they unpause the game. Unpause delay would allow both players to prepare for continuing the match.
This is not a big problem during the beta as most people seem to be friendly and play by 'the etiquette'. After SC2 is released it will become a bigger problem than now.
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I think kids around here need to learn their manners.
What if the phone rings and it's important; like work, school and so on?
What if the door bell rings?
Are you just going to ignore it and continue playing, or if it happens to the other guy, unpause on him? That's called being an ass, in my book.
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if you really can't wait three minutes because somebody's at the door, you're a douche
not that there's anything wrong with being a douche, just saying
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
i think there's a strong correlation between skill and willingness to pause. i've never ever had a good player unpause on me (unless they are a cheesing protoss on iccup), while bnet nerds can't wait a single second. looks like a matter of insecurity! if not that just lack of manners. justify away!
edit: lol look even idra thinks you should wait damn
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if somebody instant unpauses it's a dick move and generally they are the ones who complain X unit that killed them is OP before they leave
I've had to pause a couple times because of bugs with SC2 where I need to disable my 2nd monitor in my display settings.
Otherwise I'll pause to pickup the phone, but not for much else.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
if Idra, the king of BM thinks you should just wait it out...
and yea, I agree with intrigue, the higher somebody's skill the more likely they are to let you pause, because everyone who's played for any amount of time knows there are legit reasons to pause.
After 2-3 minutes of no response I'll ask what's up, and if no response by 4-5 minutes I'll unpause.
with chat not fading during a pause it's easy to see if you're anywhere near the comp.
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On March 27 2010 17:51 Doomgaze wrote:
I think kids around here need to learn their manners.
What if the phone rings and it's important; like work, school and so on?
What if the door bell rings?
Are you just going to ignore it and continue playing, or if it happens to the other guy, unpause on him? That's called being an ass, in my book.
'Learn your manners' and leave the game if your record is so important to you. Why should someone else automatically suffer because you have alternative obligations and continue to play.
If you ask nicely to please pause the game briefly, I let them no problem, but don't act like its a given. If you have to leave mid game, either suck it up and say gg and leave, or politely ask them if you can pause it but don't expect them to allow.
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It's good mannered to wait max 1 minute. It's not bad mannered to not wait, unless it's an important/tourney game.
I run my life on a tight schedule. When I have a window of time to play perhaps 2 solid games of SC2, I'm not gonna let 1 idiot waste my time while he goes for 3 minutes and gets a sandwich or something.
Accidents happen, and I'll hear you out and wait max a minute for you, but if you're semi-dicking around with your mom on the phone I'll just unpause.
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I'd wait up to 5mins or so if that person gives me reason for pausing, but everything more than 5min is silly if it's only ladder game.
If I have to answer phone or something, I'd pause for 20sec just to get rid of it, but if I need to talk over phone or do something I would just type "gg, sry g2g", and leave, it's only 1 loss on ladder, so I expect same out of other people.
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I will wait a couple of minutes in most circumstances, but really if something important comes up you should just leave the game. Your opponent has no obligation to sit there waiting for you to say gogo? Also if you do pause don't just pause then ask if it's ok, say something first. It's really annoying when you're in the middle of performing a complex string of actions and you get interrupted.
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If the opponent pauses and doesn't say anything, I'll wait for like 30-60 sec while asking why he paused and when will he unpause. If no response, unpause.
I'm willing to give about 5 minutes of pause, depending on his manner, my mood, time available and the reason. Mostly in that order.
And I expect people to give me at least 2 minutes when I pause, regardless of my reason. I don't understand people that say they unpause if someone tells them "phone". That's bm imo, maybe the guy has some urgent call he needs to take.
Lil story about unpause:
I once paused the game, and I think I said "phone 1 min" to the guy. He said ok, then unpaused after like 10 sec while I was on the other side of the house. I come back after like 30-40 sec to see the game unpaused, I pause and say something like "wtf pause", to which he unpauses and says something like "dick" or something. So I continue playing with one hand while talking and we're kinda even now that he had his 40 sec (I was in the lead before), I proceed to get some advantage, but he doesn't realize it and keeps asking me to leave. -.-.-.-.-.- I start playing with two hands and I tell him I have the lead now, you should leave, because the game will be over soon, but he refused, so I roll him. I felt so good to kill that mofo with 1 hand. Ofc, he didn't exit until he had like 2 buildings left and didn't gg either.
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Yeah, it's good to say pp before pause, just to give the opponent some time to get aware of it. And Isee more and more people doing it nowadays, which is good.
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I only unpause if they give no justification. If the person I am playing says brb 5 mins dog puked on carpet. Or something of the sort, I might allow it. If they just pause without saying anything ill instantly unpause it.
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I am always perfectly willing to wait for someone to pause in Bnet games and whatnot. I simply think it is bad manner when they pause and don't say anything like "Sorry, 1 sec!" or "phone" or something like that.
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Man, considering this is beta, everyone should be okay with pausing. We're all guys trying to help out blizzard here, do the right thing, and we know a reset is coming at launch if not before, so what's the big deal trying to unpause-cheese? Sorry to hear that guy unpaused you..
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
I think the worst reason I ever gave for pausing a game (I never pause without giving a reason) was so I can go to the washroom and grab a beer while I was up. I usually ignore phone calls and just call back after.
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On March 27 2010 08:11 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:07 Feefee wrote:
Meh, I feel the need to go to the washroom about 1 every 10 games, and I've only had one out of maybe 20 people unpause on me. If you give a reason most people are nice enough, at least in my experience. This is gold league though, I'm sure there's more asshats in the noober ranks, and more jerkknobs in the more competitive league =P. I would instaunpause. Go to the bathroom before games, not during. There are few things I will let people pause for. As OP mentioned, if they spill something I would let them pause. If a phone rings I would unpause so fast their head would spin. Phones can be carried to the computer. Just some thougths about pausing.
Well you can assume its their cellphone that rings, however talking on the phone while playing isnt really that easy.
If someone says "sec, phone" and pauses ill give them some time but i'd tell them to hurry. If i get a call during a game i either tell them ill call them back asap or just ignore it.
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What a great question about trying to improve the community. Good etiquette would be to request a pause before pausing if you need it. Wait for a positive response and leave if none is forthecoming. Pause only for a short time, try to give an expectation again so the offer can be denied reasonably. Also request to unpause to make sure that your oponant is comfortable with the continuation of the match at that time.
Of corse you can do less, in fact a lot of people would. This would be holding yourself to a higher standard, but just think how much better gaming in general would be if people tended more towards this end of the spectrum.
I am in plat now but mostly played in gold against plat / high gold and I have had to request pauses yes for phone and bathroom included on seperate ocasions and out of numerous incidents where I act in the above prescribed manner only 1 time has someone unpaused on me. I just said not cool and took the disadvantage, leave it at that. I would say most seasoned gamers actualy play with a fairly high level of respect. As mentioned above part of that respect is trying not to pause unneccessarily (go to the washroom before or after, call back etc so on) It really is a community that your part of, a lot of those players on sc2 right now are from this community or other small tight communities and there really aren't that many. You kinda have to keep playing with the same people. Why not try, mutualy, to make it the best experience possible because believe me you get more out of it that way.
Sorry if this sounds like e-socialism ;p
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Osaka27172 Posts
To be honest, if the person is taking too long I just leave the game myself. I don't want to play against an afk player, and the bad manner will follow which nobody needs. If I just leave I can find another game fast. It isn't like the dozen or so losses over many years really matters.
The only thing that really gets me is the pause / silence. People have told me "you should know I need a minute if I pause" but that is just a pure lack of respect not to speak and ask for a minute.
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Pausing is courteous, and any mannered player should allow a pause for at least a couple minutes, however, you shouldn't expect/rely on your opponent to leave the game paused.
I'd say most people will wait for at least a minute or two, while some players have immediately resumed the game without a word. And they won't be random b.net noobs, this happens to me in C+ iCCup games.
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