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Hey guys, so I've been wondering this for a while now. What is the etiquette on pausing and unpausing games?
I just played a ladder game, and was drinking some Pocari Sweat  . Unfortunately, I spilled it mid game, and paused the game, asking for a few minutes to clean up. The guy said yeah sure, but when I come back 30 seconds later with a rag to dry it up the game is already unpaused, and my minerals and gas are way high. I paused again saying "dude just give me a few minutes and we will go" to which he said he would only give me a countdown of 5 seconds and then started the game again.
Needless to say I lost that game (I wonder why?), but also there was another instance. Back while playing BW about a month n a half ago, a guy paused the game and said to give him 2 minutes, to which I responded okay. I've never been one to start a game without the other person there. But he never came back. What would you all say is the standard time limit for if a player hasn't responded to anything that you can unpause it?
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If you're playing in a tournament or something, people are usually ok with it. I wouldn't ever expect to pause a game on B.Net, though.
I mean, you might get lucky one out of ten times, but generally people take whatever wins they can get.
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United States12240 Posts
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
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On March 27 2010 07:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
Pretty much. I'd always instant unpause if they never said anything. But at the same time I'd always be ok with pausing if they ask if its okay.
I wouldn't expect most people on ladder to be okay with pausing at all.
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I wait for them if they pause and give a reason or at least say "give me a sec" or something. I think it's the courteous thing to do. But of course you can't expect that even half the time on random bnet matches probably, so I wouldn't be too trusting of asking for a pause against some random player haha.
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While I'd consider it good manner to let the game stay paused, I wouldn't consider it bad manner to unpause, assuming it's a normal bnet ladder game.
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It's always polite to give them 5 minutes or so, but if someone won't let you pause, remember their ID so that if you play them in the future and they need to pause, tell them to take all the time they need, so that u can get a free win.
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I always wait if someone pauses, but I never pause myself unless playing with friends. I dont trust online gamers.
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On March 27 2010 07:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
my thoughts exactly, except I'll wait like 1 minute, not 5 
also i dont except "phone" as a good reason to pause for more than 1 minute. ITS SC TIME, NOT PHONE TIME
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Pardon me but how do you pause the game?  Had completely slipped my mind until I saw it used a bit in tourney streams and thought that might be nice to know if needed
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I always wait 5 seconds if somebody pauses then unpause. That way they think I will keep it paused and go away and I get a free win.
Strategy.
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Meh, I feel the need to go to the washroom about 1 every 10 games, and I've only had one out of maybe 20 people unpause on me. If you give a reason most people are nice enough, at least in my experience. This is gold league though, I'm sure there's more asshats in the noober ranks, and more jerkknobs in the more competitive league =P.
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On March 27 2010 08:07 Feefee wrote:
Meh, I feel the need to go to the washroom about 1 every 10 games, and I've only had one out of maybe 20 people unpause on me. If you give a reason most people are nice enough, at least in my experience. This is gold league though, I'm sure there's more asshats in the noober ranks, and more jerkknobs in the more competitive league =P.
I would instaunpause.
Go to the bathroom before games, not during. There are few things I will let people pause for. As OP mentioned, if they spill something I would let them pause. If a phone rings I would unpause so fast their head would spin. Phones can be carried to the computer.
Just some thougths about pausing.
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You guys are way too polite. I never asked anyone for a pause in any game, because I think that's a lack of respect to the other guy. If I'm waiting for a pizza delivery, I just don't play a game during that time. If you wanna play the game, then play. If you can't play, then too bad, leave.
You can't expect some unknown guy 5000 miles away from you to care because someone knocks at your door. I never gave anyone more than 10-20 secs pause. Some people are willing to wait 5 minutes, are you kidding?
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if someone make pause i ask for reason
if he say like "phone" i say "ok u have 20 secs tell him call back later" and then i unpause the game
if he wants to phone he have to leave or play while phone and u rly no need longer then 20 seconds to tell someone u call him back xD
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wow, be nice to peeps. It's just 1-2 minutes out of your life. XD
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Maybe you can't expect them to do it, but it's the nice thing to do nevertheless.
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On March 27 2010 08:17 Anther wrote:
wow, be nice to peeps. It's just 1-2 minutes out of your life. XD
Being nice to people would be to leave the game if you need to, instead of asking some total stranger to wait 1-2 minutes for you.
It's just a game, after all.
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On March 27 2010 08:07 Feefee wrote:
Meh, I feel the need to go to the washroom about 1 every 10 games, and I've only had one out of maybe 20 people unpause on me. If you give a reason most people are nice enough, at least in my experience. This is gold league though, I'm sure there's more asshats in the noober ranks, and more jerkknobs in the more competitive league =P.
what? People actually wait for you when you tell them you are going to the bathroom? I never would. That is a ridiculous reason to pause. Just wait a few minutes and piss after the game. Your bladder can't possibly be that weak.
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Naw, that's called taking it too serious =p.
I mean sometimes you just have the demeanor of an asshole and to you everyone else seems that way o_o.
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I would never expect the other guy to wait for me...it's my problem that I have to pause..so if the other guy doesn't wait..i'll take a loss.
on other hand..i'll always wait for the other guy up to 3-4 minutes...
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as long as ppl ask politely and have a reason ill wait up to 2 minutes or so. if its a tourney/cw match ill wait longer.
however i wish ppl had the same courtesy..
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On March 27 2010 08:21 Anther wrote:
Naw, that's called taking it too serious =p.
I mean sometimes you just have the demeanor of an asshole and to you everyone else seems that way o_o.
Actually, I'm the one who doesnt take it seriously.
If I can't play because I get an important phone call, I leave. Who cares? It's just a loss in a video game. The guy who asks a stranger to wait 2 minutes for him is the one taking it too seriously, because he cares about his stats.
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Perhaps there should be an option to vote pause. That is, one player will ask for a 5 minute break and if the other player accepts, the game will be unable to be unpaused by any player and will automatically do it on its own after 5 min.
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On March 27 2010 07:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
would really suck if their keyboard went out lolz
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It's bm of him to unpause but there's nothing you can do about it really. At least there never was in sc1.
So yea it's poor etiquette because obviously you won't have a fulfilling game and they just care about advancing in the tourney, getting the ladder win, or w/e.
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You know guys, it isn't all about win/loss. Isn't the entire match a waste of time if either player is afk? I'd rather wait a few minutes and actually finish the game.
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On March 27 2010 08:15 lepape wrote:
You guys are way too polite. I never asked anyone for a pause in any game, because I think that's a lack of respect to the other guy.
I agree that pausing the game for a phone call or something mundane like that is disrespectful, but sometimes you just get caught by surprise on something urgent that requires a minute of your attention...and asking for a pause for this is no lack of respect.
I think waiting 1min for a pause is just being polite, after all : how much time do we waste searching for games?
I've had to pause twice so far in SC2 :
- My keyboard wasn't working fine, like if the ALT key was always staying active, I could not even type to the other guy.
- Me and my 2v2 partner were waiting for a game, we had constant wait periods of 10 to 20 mins on a saturday afternoon - I went to the washroom for a couple minutes and my teammate had to pause the game so that I could come back on time...our opponents did not mind waiting. Yeah sure, it was my fault for not going before, but when you spend more time waiting for games than actually playing, how retarded is it to not start the search when you have 20:1 odds of being back in time...
My point is, there are situations which a pause is required and although you can't expect ppl on bnet to wait 1-2min, I think everybody should do it (at least 1min, everybody can do that), just in case you might need it in the future (I'm not talking karma here, but if half of the players are doing an effort to wait, chances are courtesy might spread).
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usually i wait if they say something like "10secs" but if they just pause and dont respond after 10 secs i unpause, cause its very annyoing. if i play a game i put on my headset and dont pause during the game cause of "phone sec". thats so stupid imo. just play the fucking game to the end and call the person back, if u wait for an important phone dont join a game. some people dont have 10hours free time per day and want to use the 40mins they have to play.
some people really think the other person has to wait if they pause, but NO i dont have to wait cause if i unpause you are the one whois going to rage.
btw im talking about ladder, tournaments are something different.
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If someone asks for the pause/explains the pause, I'm willing to wait a few minutes. When the game is paused, I instantly ask for a reason though, and if I don't get a reply back I'll unpause in 10 seconds or so.
Sometimes my opponents give me the pause, sometimes they don't. I remember one particular instance where my regular 2v2-ally had to change the batteries in his wireless mouse during the game (...) and the opponents wouldn't let us pause. We still won though
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United Kingdom12024 Posts
I've paused once in SC2, because someone arrived at my door so I had to go get it. So I quickly typed politely, can you give me a second please to pause? Someones at the door, paused and came back and asked if he was ready, so I was happy with that.
If anyone asks if they can pause with me I usually give them like 5 minutes.
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btw if someone unpauses on me and I end up losing I definitely. make random depots/pylons/extractors around and lift buildings to corners. It's the right thing to do.
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imo you should be able to pause it for a few, i havent had any problems with it myself seems all those euro players ive played have just been all fine with me going afk
but unfortunately not everyone is like that :/
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I always wait up to 5 minutes if someone asks for a pause. If they dont ask then I unpause after 30 seconds. It doesn't kill you to wait for someone
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I give them about the exact amount of time they request up to a limit of 10 minutes.
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if people ask with a "1 sec" or "can we pause for a minute?" I wait and give them time.
But lately i have these kids pause. And I wait, like 30 seconds.. no word. So I just unpause.
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On March 27 2010 08:42 Deviation wrote:
I give them about the exact amount of time they request up to a limit of 10 minutes.
10 minutes, I hope that's a joke. Even 5 minutes is extremely generous in my book.
Seriously, the guy who asks you to wait 5 minutes is being an asshole, no matter what the reason is. He's basically saying ''Look, I have more important things to do than to play this game right now, but since my time is more important than yours, can you please do nothing and wait for me for 5 minutes?''.
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I'm usually very willing because we've all had to pause before, so I cut the guy some slack.
Except for today I was winning in a match and the dude just pauses it without saying a word.. so I'm like ?.. and unpause it because I assume he is trying to get me to leave. (Maybe a nub that doesn't know anyone can unpause). So he instantly pauses it again, to which I unpause. I ask him if he has a legit reason to pause and he said the phone, so I let him have his phone time. He comes back and starts bitching about how I was being completely retarded for unpausing, while trying to explain from my POV he quits.
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i expect nothing when if i need to pause unless im with friends or somethin. Although if someone pauses and gives a reason ill wait a reasonal amount of time
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to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand.
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I pause the game quite often, maybe like 5-10% of people unpause.. the higher your skill the more mannered I think. When people pause I would wait for them for a few min, I get pissed when they dont ask if your ready before they unpause tho.
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mad people are unpatient and shit its crazy man..thats my general rule of thumb i'll wait 10-20 seconds if dude ain't say nuttin.. but if dude says he gon to the washroom or some next shit then yo imma wait man ..i ain't unpatient or anything lol
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I have paused about 10-15 games to get the door or to help with groceries or the like people are very courteous and I have NEVER had someone ninja unpause me I never unpause someone else's pause unless they are just plain BMing me
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Obviously, don't spill your drink
jk
Just gotta take it for what it is, people are dicks and have no reason not to be. If he can gain an advantage from unpausing then he will. Just gotta remember it's only 1 match, and it's a pub.
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Osaka27156 Posts
On March 27 2010 07:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
Basically this.
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I never pause games, I just leave them if something comes up and expect the same from other people.
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SC2 laddering must be serious business... If you have a win at all cost mentality, may as well try downloading hacks. Seriously, there is no reason anyone shouldn't be able to pause a game for a "reasonable" amount of time, ie., they are not going to have dinner or something while paused. I can't imagine how winning a game against an afk opponent can be satisfying and not make you feel like a d-bag.
Although, when you pause the game for someone and when they return they unpause the game without saying anything... that does bother me a bit.
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On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand.
you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk.
i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know.
the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk.
i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time.
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I find it amusing that people actually don't think unpausing is BM; I mean, most people that need to pause the game need what, 5-30 secs? If anyone's time is that valuable, they probably wouldn't be playing SC to begin with. A few seconds of being afk can determine the game, obviously, so simply give them a minute or w/e... I have a wireless mouse, so sometimes I need to replace my batteries -- which only takes a few seconds. Most people that need to pause are able to resume shortly. If it takes them long, then you can rationalize unpausing then.
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On March 27 2010 09:14 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand. you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk. i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know. the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk. i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time.
You are naive to think that everything in life will remain the same during the time you are playing the game, and it's common courtesy to wait a few minutes if something happens unexpectedly to someone, because it could happen to anyone. Depending on the circumstance, it would be BM to unpause in some situations, and okay to unpause in others.
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I will unpause instantly if:
1) They play Zerg (in SC2)
2) They thumbed up Desert Oasis
3) I don't like their name
Otherwise I will wait up to 10 minutes probably.
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On March 27 2010 09:21 machinehead.. wrote:
I find it amusing that people actually don't think unpausing is BM; I mean, most people that need to pause the game need what, 5-30 secs? If anyone's time is that valuable, they probably wouldn't be playing SC to begin with. A few seconds of being afk can determine the game, obviously, so simply give them a minute or w/e... I have a wireless mouse, so sometimes I need to replace my batteries -- which only takes a few seconds. Most people that need to pause are able to resume shortly. If it takes them long, then you can rationalize unpausing then.
you dont know how long they take or what their reason is, or whether theyre just pretending and being a jerk. you dont see people pausing a soccer or a football match right in the middle just because one of the players gets a phone call or something.
also theres only 1person that can tell when time is wasted and when it isnt, and thats the person whos time we're talking about.
if you cant play the game then leave, or dont start it in the first place.
time is limited for everyone. dont take more away from them because you want to be selfish.
On March 27 2010 09:24 cabarkapa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 09:14 enzym wrote:On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand. you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk. i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know. the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk. i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time. You are naive to think that everything in life will remain the same during the time you are playing the game, and it's common courtesy to wait a few minutes if something happens unexpectedly to someone, because it could happen to anyone. Depending on the circumstance, it would be BM to unpause in some situations, and okay to unpause in others.
common courtesy you said, yes? the way i read it pausing the game would go against both explanation a) and explanation b).
there may be some grave situations that can occur unexpectedly. if one of those occurs, leave the game.
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I think pausing longer then 2 or 3 minutes is not ok.
Think about it, if you pause for 5 minutes, I could be half way through another game instead of sitting there waiting for you.
But yeh quick pauses <1 minute are fine, I'll always wait.
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On March 27 2010 09:28 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 09:24 cabarkapa wrote:On March 27 2010 09:14 enzym wrote:On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand. you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk. i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know. the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk. i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time. You are naive to think that everything in life will remain the same during the time you are playing the game, and it's common courtesy to wait a few minutes if something happens unexpectedly to someone, because it could happen to anyone. Depending on the circumstance, it would be BM to unpause in some situations, and okay to unpause in others. common courtesy you said, yes? the way i read it pausing the game would go against both explanation a) and explanation b). there may be some grave situations that can occur unexpectedly. if one of those occurs, leave the game.
Using your pointless link to urbandictionary, waiting a short time for someone to deal with something unexpected would be "c. not being a major douchebag"
Like I said it depends on the situation, but to be as general as possible, it would be BM to unpause the game if something unexpected happened that takes no more than a couple of minutes for them to handle.
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On March 27 2010 09:53 cabarkapa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 09:28 enzym wrote:On March 27 2010 09:24 cabarkapa wrote:On March 27 2010 09:14 enzym wrote:On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand. you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk. i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know. the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk. i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time. You are naive to think that everything in life will remain the same during the time you are playing the game, and it's common courtesy to wait a few minutes if something happens unexpectedly to someone, because it could happen to anyone. Depending on the circumstance, it would be BM to unpause in some situations, and okay to unpause in others. common courtesy you said, yes? the way i read it pausing the game would go against both explanation a) and explanation b). there may be some grave situations that can occur unexpectedly. if one of those occurs, leave the game. Using your pointless link to urbandictionary, waiting a short time for someone to deal with something unexpected would be "c. not being a major douchebag" Like I said it depends on the situation, but to be as general as possible, it would be BM to unpause the game if something unexpected happened that takes no more than a couple of minutes for them to handle.
no, no, no...
its just BM to pause a game and waiting for the other guy would be just GM and unpausing would be a normal move not BM. if i lose my money on the streets im assumeing that i will never see my money again. yes some people will call you that they found it, but thats why they get finder's reward (cause its just GM) if it would be normal u wouldnt give that finder's reward.
if you pause assume that your opponent will unpause, if he wait thank good for that GM guy and send him some money =)
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Erm... Whenever i play on BW public servers no one ever unpauses when i go afk.
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On March 27 2010 10:13 MeProU_Kor wrote:
no, no, no...
its just BM to pause a game and waiting for the other guy would be just GM and unpausing would be a normal move not BM. if i lose my money on the streets im assumeing that i will never see my money again. yes some people will call you that they found it, but thats why they get finder's reward (cause its just GM) if it would be normal u wouldnt give that finder's reward.
if you pause assume that your opponent will unpause, if he wait thank good for that GM guy and send him some money =)
I would respond but I think you know you don't deserve a response.
SHIT I JUST RESPONDED
you dumb yo
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I resume as fast as I can in a ladder game. I'm 100% focused to play the game and I expect the opponent to be.
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people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
pretty much
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As stated before, without any explanations its usually an auto-unpause for me, if there's a reason, I'll usually wait 2-5min before unpausing, depending on the circumstance.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
Just like it doesnt cost you anything to leave a ladder game when you can't actually play, instead of pausing.
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Personally, this is my ruling:
- Say something before you pause to give fair warning it is happening. I remember in some Wc3 leagues you would get penalty points or lose the map if you paused without warning.
- Give a reasonable time, no higher than 5 minutes.
- If the person asks for a pause, give no higher than 5 minutes.
It is battle.net though, and people will do as they please. But that is what I would do.
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Whether you accept an excuse for pausing or not is your own business, but saying you'll let someone pause for a while and then unpausing is always bad form.
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In fact, I think pause contracts would be a good feature: when one player pauses, the other one can surrender the ability to unpause until a timer runs out.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
sorry that just makes no sense for me. so my time is not important but his conversation on the phone is? dont forget time is one of the things you cant buy or get back, every second is a lost second. it may sounds stupid but its so damn true.
if i am able to call people back i can think other people who join games can do the same. there are not really many reasons to pause a game. open a door is like 10 secs and as i wrote before, if he writes "sec" and opens the door in a minute im waiting without a problem. can you explain me some of this situation "that happen" and need more than 1min to get fixed?
seriously you are progamer and training with progamers you use 12? hours a day to train and some people even train in their freetime and now you are telling me that time is not important? some people have only 30min to 60min time to play games and they want to use this time and dont want to wait 10mins for people who join games and pause 3mins after start.
i really dont get it. yes sometimes i pause games for 20 secs in laddergames and then i write "sec plz" and it was only one time where i knew it would take longer than a minute to fix the problem and that was during my time in the army and guess what i did. i wrote "sry" and left.
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so you really dont think its a waste of time stomping an enemy who isnt defending himself?
mb you should give your beta key away (if u got one), and go play offline vs comp? :[
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On March 27 2010 11:02 MeProU_Kor wrote:
i really dont get it. yes sometimes i pause games for 20 secs in laddergames and then i write "sec plz" and it was only one time where i knew it would take longer than a minute to fix the problem and that was during my time in the army and guess what i did. i wrote "sry" and left.
This is totally off topic, but it just struck me as funny that the player base never applies their highly-developed APM to typing whole words.
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You are all bitches. Why, you might ask? Because the ONLY reason you set yourself these "guidelines", is to have an excuse to unpause. "Sorry bro, you spent your 31 seconds, I'll unpause". It's pretty damn arbitrary. Do you have to be somewhere?! is a 1 minute pause going to kill you? Enjoy some music in the meanwhile, you've got spotify don't you? God damn you people.
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On March 27 2010 11:06 Socke wrote:
so you really dont think its a waste of time stomping an enemy who isnt defending himself?
mb you should give your beta key away (if u got one), and go play offline vs comp? :[
actually we want to play the game so much that we dont accept pause.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
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On March 27 2010 11:06 Socke wrote:
so you really dont think its a waste of time stomping an enemy who isnt defending himself?
mb you should give your beta key away (if u got one), and go play offline vs comp? :[
you dont get it.
one example:
just dont join a game if you know your mother will call you for meal and you are like 14 years old.
other example:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game.
yes for sure its a waste of time (since u invest some time), but it would be more waste to wait if you 1) dont know how long it will take 2) it would take more than 2min 3)if he said a time and that timecount is over and the game just started or is going for 5mins.
damn i waited 20min for a korean on iccup in a TvT that was going for like 50mins because the game was epic and that guy was mannered the whole game and directly told me "T_T can wait 20min?". i dont care stats or points but im not willed to waste my time for every idiot that isnt able to organize his life.
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yes i forgot the best is sometimes you wait for these kids and guess what they do, they just unpause without typing anyshit. thats like saying "wow you stupid geek have to wait for me minutes and i know you are so stupid and sitting in front of the PC just waiting for me that i unpause and even if you dont sit the whole time in front of the PC im just gonna use it to my advantage."
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TossFloss
Canada606 Posts
I play SC to have fun. Crushing AFK players ain't fun.
I typically wait a reasonable amount of time then resume.
To greedy asshats rofloling easy wins. Realize you float up-or-down to your ladder rank according to skill level. If you're trash, you're still gonna sink to the bottom.
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TossFloss
Canada606 Posts
On March 27 2010 11:17 MeProU_Kor wrote:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game..
Some have jobs or own small businesses requiring they be on call 24/7. If I'm very close to completing an important deal and the client calls me Friday 9pm I cannot just ignore them.
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Who cares really in a beta where it is worth only 1 game. This isn't like you lose your league if you quit. Do the right thing and leave the game if you have to leave. Hell, one game I just finished splitting my SCVs when I heard I had to go so I gg'ed and left. It's no big deal really.
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On March 27 2010 11:17 MeProU_Kor wrote:
you dont get it.
one example:
just dont join a game if you know your mother will call you for meal and you are like 14 years old.
other example:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game.
yes for sure its a waste of time (since u invest some time), but it would be more waste to wait if you 1) dont know how long it will take 2) it would take more than 2min 3)if he said a time and that timecount is over and the game just started or is going for 5mins.
damn i waited 20min for a korean on iccup in a TvT that was going for like 50mins because the game was epic and that guy was mannered the whole game and directly told me "T_T can wait 20min?". i dont care stats or points but im not willed to waste my time for every idiot that isnt able to organize his life.
Are you talking to someone? You aren't making it clear who you refer to.
Also the fallacy in your post is that you say that as if those are the only 2 examples possible. There are many things that can happen, problems can occur in somebody's life that do not include a phone. I wouldn't be surprised if many people here would agree that wasting time to pause the game and chat on the phone would be very disruptive and would warrant a quick unpause.
There are times where you should allow a short pause for purpose of being courteous, and times where you can ignore it and be justified in doing so.
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On March 27 2010 11:24 TossFloss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:17 MeProU_Kor wrote:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game.. Some have jobs or own small businesses requiring they be on call 24/7. If I'm very close to completing an important deal and the client calls me Friday 9pm I cannot just ignore them.
pretend you are taking a shit in that moment or taking a shower so you cant reach the phone.
if you have matters that are more important to you than sc then please go through with it and just leave the game when one of those matters arises or dont complain and accept your own priorities.
once you start a game it should be agreed by both players that at that moment your priority is the game. if it isnt then whats there for you to complain about?
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On March 27 2010 09:14 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:51 Socke wrote:
to whoever unpauses or cant wait 30s..
dont you think thats a waste of time?
i play sc2 to have games against ppl, and if i unpause 10 minutes into a 20 minute game i actually end up wasting 10 minutes by ruining my game.
not waiting for absurdly long pauses i can understand. you just defeated your own argument yourself. if you are playing sc2 to have games against people then have games against fucking people instead of going afk. i dont grant anyone pause ever, except for event matches like cws/tourneys or against people i know. the instant you click the search match button you devote yourself to finishing that ladder game, just as your opponent does. people trust that their opponent is there to play the game, not to go afk. i find it hilarious that there are actually people in this thread that think it is bm to unpause a game, when theyre the ones attempting to steal other peoples time.
Trying seeing where that attitude takes you in life. Or maybe you'll have the pleasure of dealing with someone taking that attitude with you. And it won't be pleasant.
People commit themselves to many things, but not everything always goes to plan. I would like to see you never try to take a day off work (for which you have signed into legally binding commitments) when you need to attend to family commitments. Or maybe you will try, and your boss will take your attitude and fire you.
As Idra said, stop being an ass about it. Being an ass doesn't help anyone.
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On March 27 2010 11:24 TossFloss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:17 MeProU_Kor wrote:
dont go on that stupid mobile(phone) during a game.. Some have jobs or own small businesses requiring they be on call 24/7. If I'm very close to completing an important deal and the client calls me Friday 9pm I cannot just ignore them.
this persons would leave the game instead of tpying wait 10mins for my serious business deals, dont you think too? the only persons who rage about people who unpause or dont accept to wait more than 5mins are mostly some geeks who have a ton of time and are not willed to give a freewin for their "faults".
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I would like if there would be a short unpause delay. When the user would unpause the game there would e.g. be a 3 second delay (+ a visible countdown) before the match would continue.
Why? Too often people don't ask if their opponent is ready when they unpause the game. Unpause delay would allow both players to prepare for continuing the match.
This is not a big problem during the beta as most people seem to be friendly and play by 'the etiquette'. After SC2 is released it will become a bigger problem than now.
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I think kids around here need to learn their manners.
What if the phone rings and it's important; like work, school and so on?
What if the door bell rings?
Are you just going to ignore it and continue playing, or if it happens to the other guy, unpause on him? That's called being an ass, in my book.
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if you really can't wait three minutes because somebody's at the door, you're a douche
not that there's anything wrong with being a douche, just saying
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
i think there's a strong correlation between skill and willingness to pause. i've never ever had a good player unpause on me (unless they are a cheesing protoss on iccup), while bnet nerds can't wait a single second. looks like a matter of insecurity! if not that just lack of manners. justify away!
edit: lol look even idra thinks you should wait damn
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if somebody instant unpauses it's a dick move and generally they are the ones who complain X unit that killed them is OP before they leave
I've had to pause a couple times because of bugs with SC2 where I need to disable my 2nd monitor in my display settings.
Otherwise I'll pause to pickup the phone, but not for much else.
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On March 27 2010 10:33 IdrA wrote:
people are kind of faggots arent you
your time is not that important. shit happens and it doesnt cost you anything to wait a minute or two.
if Idra, the king of BM thinks you should just wait it out...
and yea, I agree with intrigue, the higher somebody's skill the more likely they are to let you pause, because everyone who's played for any amount of time knows there are legit reasons to pause.
After 2-3 minutes of no response I'll ask what's up, and if no response by 4-5 minutes I'll unpause.
with chat not fading during a pause it's easy to see if you're anywhere near the comp.
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On March 27 2010 17:51 Doomgaze wrote:
I think kids around here need to learn their manners.
What if the phone rings and it's important; like work, school and so on?
What if the door bell rings?
Are you just going to ignore it and continue playing, or if it happens to the other guy, unpause on him? That's called being an ass, in my book.
'Learn your manners' and leave the game if your record is so important to you. Why should someone else automatically suffer because you have alternative obligations and continue to play.
If you ask nicely to please pause the game briefly, I let them no problem, but don't act like its a given. If you have to leave mid game, either suck it up and say gg and leave, or politely ask them if you can pause it but don't expect them to allow.
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It's good mannered to wait max 1 minute. It's not bad mannered to not wait, unless it's an important/tourney game.
I run my life on a tight schedule. When I have a window of time to play perhaps 2 solid games of SC2, I'm not gonna let 1 idiot waste my time while he goes for 3 minutes and gets a sandwich or something.
Accidents happen, and I'll hear you out and wait max a minute for you, but if you're semi-dicking around with your mom on the phone I'll just unpause.
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I'd wait up to 5mins or so if that person gives me reason for pausing, but everything more than 5min is silly if it's only ladder game.
If I have to answer phone or something, I'd pause for 20sec just to get rid of it, but if I need to talk over phone or do something I would just type "gg, sry g2g", and leave, it's only 1 loss on ladder, so I expect same out of other people.
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I will wait a couple of minutes in most circumstances, but really if something important comes up you should just leave the game. Your opponent has no obligation to sit there waiting for you to say gogo? Also if you do pause don't just pause then ask if it's ok, say something first. It's really annoying when you're in the middle of performing a complex string of actions and you get interrupted.
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If the opponent pauses and doesn't say anything, I'll wait for like 30-60 sec while asking why he paused and when will he unpause. If no response, unpause.
I'm willing to give about 5 minutes of pause, depending on his manner, my mood, time available and the reason. Mostly in that order.
And I expect people to give me at least 2 minutes when I pause, regardless of my reason. I don't understand people that say they unpause if someone tells them "phone". That's bm imo, maybe the guy has some urgent call he needs to take.
Lil story about unpause:
I once paused the game, and I think I said "phone 1 min" to the guy. He said ok, then unpaused after like 10 sec while I was on the other side of the house. I come back after like 30-40 sec to see the game unpaused, I pause and say something like "wtf pause", to which he unpauses and says something like "dick" or something. So I continue playing with one hand while talking and we're kinda even now that he had his 40 sec (I was in the lead before), I proceed to get some advantage, but he doesn't realize it and keeps asking me to leave. -.-.-.-.-.- I start playing with two hands and I tell him I have the lead now, you should leave, because the game will be over soon, but he refused, so I roll him. I felt so good to kill that mofo with 1 hand. Ofc, he didn't exit until he had like 2 buildings left and didn't gg either.
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Yeah, it's good to say pp before pause, just to give the opponent some time to get aware of it. And Isee more and more people doing it nowadays, which is good.
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I only unpause if they give no justification. If the person I am playing says brb 5 mins dog puked on carpet. Or something of the sort, I might allow it. If they just pause without saying anything ill instantly unpause it.
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I am always perfectly willing to wait for someone to pause in Bnet games and whatnot. I simply think it is bad manner when they pause and don't say anything like "Sorry, 1 sec!" or "phone" or something like that.
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Man, considering this is beta, everyone should be okay with pausing. We're all guys trying to help out blizzard here, do the right thing, and we know a reset is coming at launch if not before, so what's the big deal trying to unpause-cheese? Sorry to hear that guy unpaused you..
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
I think the worst reason I ever gave for pausing a game (I never pause without giving a reason) was so I can go to the washroom and grab a beer while I was up. I usually ignore phone calls and just call back after.
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On March 27 2010 08:11 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:07 Feefee wrote:
Meh, I feel the need to go to the washroom about 1 every 10 games, and I've only had one out of maybe 20 people unpause on me. If you give a reason most people are nice enough, at least in my experience. This is gold league though, I'm sure there's more asshats in the noober ranks, and more jerkknobs in the more competitive league =P. I would instaunpause. Go to the bathroom before games, not during. There are few things I will let people pause for. As OP mentioned, if they spill something I would let them pause. If a phone rings I would unpause so fast their head would spin. Phones can be carried to the computer. Just some thougths about pausing.
Well you can assume its their cellphone that rings, however talking on the phone while playing isnt really that easy.
If someone says "sec, phone" and pauses ill give them some time but i'd tell them to hurry. If i get a call during a game i either tell them ill call them back asap or just ignore it.
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What a great question about trying to improve the community. Good etiquette would be to request a pause before pausing if you need it. Wait for a positive response and leave if none is forthecoming. Pause only for a short time, try to give an expectation again so the offer can be denied reasonably. Also request to unpause to make sure that your oponant is comfortable with the continuation of the match at that time.
Of corse you can do less, in fact a lot of people would. This would be holding yourself to a higher standard, but just think how much better gaming in general would be if people tended more towards this end of the spectrum.
I am in plat now but mostly played in gold against plat / high gold and I have had to request pauses yes for phone and bathroom included on seperate ocasions and out of numerous incidents where I act in the above prescribed manner only 1 time has someone unpaused on me. I just said not cool and took the disadvantage, leave it at that. I would say most seasoned gamers actualy play with a fairly high level of respect. As mentioned above part of that respect is trying not to pause unneccessarily (go to the washroom before or after, call back etc so on) It really is a community that your part of, a lot of those players on sc2 right now are from this community or other small tight communities and there really aren't that many. You kinda have to keep playing with the same people. Why not try, mutualy, to make it the best experience possible because believe me you get more out of it that way.
Sorry if this sounds like e-socialism ;p
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Osaka27156 Posts
To be honest, if the person is taking too long I just leave the game myself. I don't want to play against an afk player, and the bad manner will follow which nobody needs. If I just leave I can find another game fast. It isn't like the dozen or so losses over many years really matters.
The only thing that really gets me is the pause / silence. People have told me "you should know I need a minute if I pause" but that is just a pure lack of respect not to speak and ask for a minute.
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Pausing is courteous, and any mannered player should allow a pause for at least a couple minutes, however, you shouldn't expect/rely on your opponent to leave the game paused.
I'd say most people will wait for at least a minute or two, while some players have immediately resumed the game without a word. And they won't be random b.net noobs, this happens to me in C+ iCCup games.
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My take on correct etiquitte is to type "pp" then pause the game, then explain why/how long u paused. Then ask if they are ready before you unpause.
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If someone pauses the game without asking it first I would unpause no matter what. If you want to play the game then play, if you cant for any circumstances then just leave.
Pausing and then justifying yourself is a bad manner imho and even worse if it is the heat of the battle.
If someone would ask to pause I would consider.
I have a hard time concentrating myself on the game and when I am in focus and someone pauses it totally stops me cold in my tracks and its very annoying, so if the game pauses I am like "wtf" and angry already and no excuse will be good, so I unpause.
I hope the new battlenet would have an option for a "no pause" game settings, play or leave.
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On March 27 2010 07:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
If someone suddenly pauses the game and doesn't provide an explanation within about 10 seconds, I'm unpausing it. You need to at least explain why you've paused the game in order to prove that you're not just being an ass. If it's a reasonable request, I'll wait patiently for the other person to fix whatever is the problem and come back, usually up to 5 minutes or so.
This.
But what i really hate is when i wait patiently for several minutes, and suddenly they unpause without any kind of notification. If you pause, at least have the decency to warn your opponent when you're about to unpause.
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I'm usually nice with pauses though today somebody told me to pause while I had 2 collosi standing in their base, they had no units left, and I destroyed all of their tech labs and was just about to finish off the barracks (already killed the factory). When I looked at the replay, he only had 8 scvs left. He got mad at me for unpausing but after the game I messaged him and told him I was sorry if I pissed him off but the game was already over and I was waiting for the gg, not a pause. He cooled down and everything turned out alright.
But still, for pausing etiquette, if you're that far behind and you really need to leave your computer, please just gg. I mean, sure you can "try" to fight it out some times, but if you really need to go... then go.
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I dont usually pause much unless it is an emergency.
The only thing is I don't understand why everyone is so unwilling to wait a few minutes if there is a pause without an explanation. I know that it is annoying, but can you seriously not wait a couple minutes?
I only say this because this happened to me, I was playing at my friend's place who has a wireless keyboard. The battery in the keyboard died right as the game started. I paused to run and find a keyboard, but I obviously couldn't type why in the chat..... so i come back 20 seconds later and have to pause again. I sprint around the house looking for a wired keyboard, find one...come back and lose. I was gone less than 5 minutes.
It's not like ladder games get paused very often. I've experienced maybe 3 total pauses in 150 ladder games. I think we can give our opponents a 5 minute window once every 50 games, no?
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I would never unpause a game even if some1 didnt explain. Usually they just cant speak english. Although ill only wait like 5minutes tops without an explanation. At most i pause games for like 1minute i think anything longer u should'ov done before the game.
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I just leave if they don't come back soon, regardless of whether they said anything or not.. I suck anyway its not like I care about the ladder points...
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I have some questions (for anyone really)
Is it okay to unpause or agree to pause then unpause if they
1) Are hackers
2) Are former hackers
3) Are someone you don't like
4) Are mass murderers
Am I also allowed to unpause if they paused to get a sandwhich or something, which is no different than using the phone or going to the bathroom. I want to make sure I am following proper battle.net etiquette.
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On March 30 2010 09:50 konstantin wrote:
If someone pauses the game without asking it first I would unpause no matter what. If you want to play the game then play, if you cant for any circumstances then just leave.
Pausing and then justifying yourself is a bad manner imho and even worse if it is the heat of the battle.
If someone would ask to pause I would consider.
I have a hard time concentrating myself on the game and when I am in focus and someone pauses it totally stops me cold in my tracks and its very annoying, so if the game pauses I am like "wtf" and angry already and no excuse will be good, so I unpause.
I hope the new battlenet would have an option for a "no pause" game settings, play or leave.
amen
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Most BNET players are going to take wins when they can get them, and might give you 30-40 seconds at max before they unpause. Once in a while you will get a well mannered opponent and he will allow the pause. I personally will always let someone pause if they have a good reason. My limit is 6 minutes. If the player in question can't get back by then I'd have to say that they probably shouldn't have started a game if they didn't have twenty-thirty minutes to play. The only times I've had to pause are spills, or my mouse being unplugged/batteries dieing (I don't use wireless mice anymore because I was tired of this, and the half second delay circa 2003 models had).
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I'd never 'expect' someone random on battle.net to leave it paused if I paused it.
That being said, I have had a few times where my opponent requests a pause for a moment, explaining his situation, and I always wait. I'd expect most people to be nice enough to do the same.
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Trust me, this isn't as bad as on WC3. Some people on WC3, when fighting in a crucial battle, pause and unpause the game, causing it to completely impossible to micro. Usually they would be going Blademaster, and you'd be getting your hero chomped, and pause/unpause makes it impossible to TP away.
But enough of WC3, this is SC2
Anyways, always a load of dicks out there. Esp when you look a guy's game list on ICCUP and you see:
Average game length : 4 minutes
Race played : 100% Zerg
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I would let them stay paused, as I understand that crap happens in life. I can see the other side of it, as well. Really, it comes down to my mood. I'm generally too nice to give myself a free win, and I'd feel pretty bad because while I may not care about stats/ranks/etc, they might. Of course, I'd need a proper reason.*
If they are notoriously bad players and whatnot, obviously I'll be more cautious.
*"Crap. Bloody Nose."
"o.0 Take as long as you'd like. no blud on teh keyboard plzplz"
-Hypothetical situation
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I guess the main reason for me is that I lose the flow of the game if I have to wait. I'd rather just start a new game then.
I think that is the reason I cannot tolerate waiting.
Another reason is I have limited game time. And time spent waiting is not a fun time.
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On March 30 2010 10:40 stockton wrote:
I dont usually pause much unless it is an emergency.
The only thing is I don't understand why everyone is so unwilling to wait a few minutes if there is a pause without an explanation. I know that it is annoying, but can you seriously not wait a couple minutes?
I only say this because this happened to me, I was playing at my friend's place who has a wireless keyboard. The battery in the keyboard died right as the game started. I paused to run and find a keyboard, but I obviously couldn't type why in the chat..... so i come back 20 seconds later and have to pause again. I sprint around the house looking for a wired keyboard, find one...come back and lose. I was gone less than 5 minutes.
It's not like ladder games get paused very often. I've experienced maybe 3 total pauses in 150 ladder games. I think we can give our opponents a 5 minute window once every 50 games, no?
Problem is, when they pause without an explanation, you don't really know how long you are going to wait. It may be a couple of minutes, but it may be much longer than that.
I don't care about the win/loss ratio, but I hate to lose time waiting for some stranger, really. If they care for the ratio that much, let them prioritize better instead of taking it out on me (by pausing).
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I'm with the guys who said "take all the tme you need" and take free win.
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I always wait for the paused player to come back, if he explains in some way why he can't play right this second. I myself have paused to close some apps in the background that lagged me out, I can't see why people want their wins so much more than a competitive and fun game.
I mean, isn't it more fun to barely squeeze out a win and play really well than to cheese the other player and killing him while he is AFK?
I play because it's fun, do you?
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Russian Federation85 Posts
i dislike the pause function at all... either you play the game or leave it and take the lose... it's highly irritating and disturbing, if the game gets paused for whatever reason...
if i have to do something with higher prio as the game, i'm leaving the game or play the game sloppy... take the lose, of course it's annoying, especially if you were on the wining road, but there is nothing more in a game when someone finds it funny to pause the game....
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On March 30 2010 23:07 love1another wrote:
I'm with the guys who said "take all the tme you need" and take free win.
anyone saw the irony between his name and the statement?
tt: let the game stay paused for a minute, wont cost you anything and you will have at least respect from your opponent.
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I have never and would never ask to pause. It's just not a good situation for anyone involved.
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I believe the proper etiquette would be to request a pause by saying "pp," leaving it to the opponent to pause when he/she has finished the action they are currently working on. This removes the irritation of the pause without warning, and also allows the opponent to mentally prepare for the break in gameplay.
Following immediately after the request or pause (depending on how quickly the opponent can pause the game), an adequate explanation should be given. Adequate is up to the discretion of the opponent.
No more than 5 minutes should ever be taken in time out.
Upon returning from your emergency or situation, be sure that your opponent is not afk. If he is afk, then you must now provide the same courtesy he gave to you by waiting for his return. If he is not afk, tell him that you are back and ready to go when he is. Let him resume the game.
In summary:
1) Request a pause by saying "pp." The decision of pausing is left up to your opponent.
2) Give a proper explanation for why the pause is necessary.
3) Get back as quickly as you can. Do not take more than 5 minutes at most.
4) Tell your opponent that you have returned. If there is no response, then wait until your opponent has returned as well.
5) Tell him that you are ready when he is, and allow him to resume the game.
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