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mTw.iNfeRnaL vs LLL.ret
March 13th 2010
8pm CET / 2pm EST
Live Report Thread
Replays
Spoiler free and ready to go 
VODs
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this will be awesomeeeeee
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Can't wait. Do we know what race Ret will play?
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both players will be playing their sc1 races (p for infernal, z for ret)
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Where can I watch this?
n/m just gonna go to DAy9s feed.
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CALLING IT -
RET LOSES FIRST GAME
HE MAKES TOO MANY ZERGLINGS AND LOSES TO +1 TIMING ATTACK
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On March 14 2010 04:39 APurpleCow wrote:
CALLING IT -
RET LOSES FIRST GAME
HE MAKES TOO MANY ZERGLINGS AND LOSES TO +1 TIMING ATTACK
CANT HEAR YA
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Does it lags to anybody else?
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yes
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On March 14 2010 04:40 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 04:39 APurpleCow wrote:
CALLING IT -
RET LOSES FIRST GAME
HE MAKES TOO MANY ZERGLINGS AND LOSES TO +1 TIMING ATTACK CANT HEAR YA
IS THIS BETTER?
but it seems like I lied =(
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Russian Federation26 Posts
hey guys, do we have a stream link for VLC???
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On March 14 2010 04:41 StarWorm wrote:
hey guys, do we have a stream link for VLC???
Sorry, we're only streaming this via livestream today.
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51432 Posts
going to try compiling day[9] quotes in here;
"cannons have a range of seven and YEH I WISH TO QUIT SKYPE"
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Russian Federation26 Posts
It's pity because livestream too slow for me!
I wonder it is my internet connection slow or it's stream?
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this game is so anticlimatic, at least in beta stages thank god theres day9
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On March 14 2010 04:46 StarWorm wrote:
It's pity because livestream too slow for me!
I wonder it is my internet connection slow or it's stream?
It's your connection. Stream is perfect for me right now.
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
"YES I'd love to quit skype"
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On March 14 2010 04:46 StarWorm wrote:
It's pity because livestream too slow for me!
I wonder it is my internet connection slow or it's stream?
you might want to try TL stream link instead of direct livestream one
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Day[9]
but yeah iam lagging as well, this is strange.
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Damn Ret is so clever.
He flies over the main base and sees NO robotics facilitiy. Without immortals (or warp rays) he knows that his roaches will be unstoppable. He can use the Lair just for Roach speed and win the game from there.
Infernal could have maybe used DTs and sniped overseers, but he didn't think of that.
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Man this is awesome. Lets do more today
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Wow I love the graphics settings, I can actually tell what's going on.
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uhm I dont think flying dutchman originates from disney ^^
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I can watch HQ streams without lag, but this is lagging for me T_T can anyone restream this? :x
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Shitty connection won't let me watch, hopefully there'll be VODs. Go RET.
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Ret learning how to play like Luxury in ZvP
Its like SC1 all over again with Hydra busts
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How many times has Day9 said Chrono boost
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Haha, there's no imbalance in sc2, only bad players.
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ZvP never really changed did it?
Instead of Muta you have the corrputors + Roach>hydra and Colossus for imba storm esque imbaness
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Stream doesn't work for me :<
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If you see that many corrupters don't go collosi.
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this is why I prefer HT over Collo.
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damn infernal, where are your storms?
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Use the Observer Tools Day[9]! Especially the Production Tab!
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Damn roach imba as shit. Why won't blizzard nerf them.
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It sucks not being able to read SC2 as well as SC1 yet, I have no idea why ret won so easily. t-t almost looks imbalanced.
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France2061 Posts
Oh shit we get shots of Day9 in between the games
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On March 14 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
Damn roach imba as shit. Why won't blizzard nerf them.
Cause HTs/immortals kill them.
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lol why are u guys even mentioning roaches? XD infernal failed with going those for those collossuses
On March 14 2010 05:03 Kuo wrote:
this is why I prefer HT over Collo.
If infernal went HT or even just mass immortal he woulda won so easily
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What a shame, almost 3k viewers but it is a laggy diashow and day´s low settings do not help with the low quality stream :/
I know i should not compare everything to TSL, but still :&
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is there a reason he sounds like hes sucking helium? or is my stream messed up or something
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T__T
Probe micro is so imbalanced in this game
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Russian Federation26 Posts
Will VODs be available after games?
I couldn't watch stream due to BIG lags
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Weird, I'm not getting any lag at all.
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Russian Federation26 Posts
Weird, I'm not getting any lag at all.
I guess that it's because of my internet connection...
But at the same time I was able to watch streams related to TSL SC where was Nony the king of a hill :-p
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Infernal doesn't chrono boost enough
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gg lot/immortals win 2-1 ret
And yeah, no lag here either
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Oh my Immortals. Tankier than Tanks. Maybe.
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On March 14 2010 05:10 StarWorm wrote:Will VODs be available after games? I couldn't watch stream due to BIG lags
You can probably watch it on the On-Demand section of Day9's livestream.
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immortals and roaches imba
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On March 14 2010 05:05 Zoler wrote:lol why are u guys even mentioning roaches? XD infernal failed with going those for those collossuses If infernal went HT or even just mass immortal he woulda won so easily
Yep he went mass immortals in game 3 and won easily.
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same, streams works perfect for me. So the problem is probably on your end, not his.
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joined on game 3.
damn, there was no timer
also, streaming from Day9's livestream is not so cute, i thought R1CH would do his magic for something better.
gogo INfeRnaL
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Why does day9 have to set his graphics on low when commentating? Takes away some of that sc2 feel..The clarity is just as fine on medium-high settings, but adds more visual coolness
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Russian Federation26 Posts
ok... I don't intend to watch these games already...
I just wanna know if VODs will be available or not... Could anybodu answer this question and then I can just wait for them.
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wonder how he could have countered that mass immortal. also, is day 9's voice much higher than normal for people?
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Brilliant strategy by Infernal, getting the advantage early game!
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On March 14 2010 05:21 bh. wrote:
wonder how he could have countered that mass immortal. also, is day 9's voice much higher than normal for people?
Mutas is the only thing I can think of.
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MSL virtual super duper studio strikes back
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On March 14 2010 05:20 StarWorm wrote:
ok... I don't intend to watch these games already...
I just wanna know if VODs will be available or not... Could anybodu answer this question and then I can just wait for them.
Like searcher said above, you can probably watch the games later by going back to day[9]'s livestream channel and looking for the videos in the on demand section.
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On March 14 2010 05:20 StarWorm wrote:
ok... I don't intend to watch these games already...
I just wanna know if VODs will be available or not... Could anybodu answer this question and then I can just wait for them.
They should be available on Day[9]'s channel on demand after the cast is over.
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Oh man, I love Scrap Station, those destructible rocks open up so much possibilities throughout the game, let's see what these gentlemen have in store.
3000 viewers o.O
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United States4991 Posts
Dunno why Infernal doesn't walloff except for a small gap on his ramp. It makes stopping ling/baneling/roaches all much easier.. (also he can't run lings in to cause annoyance)
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Oh man, I love Scrap Station, those destructible rocks open up so much possibilities throughout the game, let's see what these gentlemen have in store.
Agree, its great. At least on stream its also looks more clear than desert/jungle themes by far.
Can you turn up the brightness in SC2? Because I think Day should turn it up a little if possible, everything seems very dark.
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Surely he was warping in at his base so as not to alert ret that he has the proxy pylon?
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On March 14 2010 05:30 Bane_ wrote:
Surely he was warping in at his base so as not to alert ret that he has the proxy pylon?
The presence of immortals already gave that away.
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United States12607 Posts
immortals, wowowow
also Day[9] is such a pro at casting and running his stream, all that Day[9].tv experience is really showing!
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On March 14 2010 05:23 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:20 StarWorm wrote:
ok... I don't intend to watch these games already...
I just wanna know if VODs will be available or not... Could anybodu answer this question and then I can just wait for them. They should be available on Day[9]'s channel on demand after the cast is over.
Awesome icon man! :D
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On March 14 2010 05:32 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:30 Bane_ wrote:
Surely he was warping in at his base so as not to alert ret that he has the proxy pylon? The presence of immortals already gave that away.
Well he hadn't begun attacking at that point but yes I imagine they would.
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I wonder if it would have helped to have put the spire at the main base instead, or would it have been too late anyways.
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now that infernal is using rocks ret has to start using paper
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On March 14 2010 05:30 Bane_ wrote:
Surely he was warping in at his base so as not to alert ret that he has the proxy pylon?
They were already in the game-deciding fight at that point, not much point in deception at that point.
Plus ret knew infernal had a proxy robo somewhere as those immortals came out of nowhere.
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On March 14 2010 05:33 Bane_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:32 Avidkeystamper wrote:On March 14 2010 05:30 Bane_ wrote:
Surely he was warping in at his base so as not to alert ret that he has the proxy pylon? The presence of immortals already gave that away. Well he hadn't begun attacking at that point but yes I imagine they would.
Oh yeah, afterwards he should have switched. It would've been really cool if he brought a probe with his attack and made another pylon even more forward (but not in ret's sight range).
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Oh man, that +1 attack on the immortals makes for a huge increase in their effectivenes vs roaches...
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i'm really disappointed at the level of the games we just saw, imho they're both playing bad, the last game showed how this tattic was, even if played really bad by infernal he won it easily, he should have built a pylon in front of ret's base in order to send units quickly, what's the sense of warpgates if u build units in your base?
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I don't want to hear that SC2 has no micro and no excitement. EVER AGAIN
This queen dancing made me so excited;p
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LOL at the vomit comment :D
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Heh, Day[9] is waaaaay too excited about the double chrono boost on the gateways.
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"Because let me tell you, when i am out of shape i throw up too"
So good
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lol day[9]'s comedy is gold today: infernal teasing him by letting down the spaghetti strap, vomiting when he's out of shape
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On March 14 2010 05:32 JWD wrote:
immortals, wowowow
also Day[9] is such a pro at casting and running his stream, all that Day[9].tv experience is really showing!
agree on this.
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still havnt seen any micro, starting game 6 now
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You know ret is going to try mutas again, infernal prolly gonna need to go immortals + sentries.
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On March 14 2010 05:45 Entertaining wrote:
still havnt seen any micro, starting game 6 now
You might want to go and check out your eyes, I don't want to scare you but it's likely your brain has hard time processing the information that is being sent or there's something seriously fucked up with your eyes.
There has been plenty of micro, you just can't expect it to be at the same level as SC1 or WC3 yet as people still have not found the optimal ways to micro each unit.
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On March 14 2010 05:43 s.a.y wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:32 JWD wrote:
immortals, wowowow
also Day[9] is such a pro at casting and running his stream, all that Day[9].tv experience is really showing! agree on this.
The only thing missing from Day[9] is higher bandwidth to broadcast a higher quality stream. It'd be absolute perfection at that point.
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haha day[9] flipping out b/c he found out dt can morph into archons
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I never knew that either O.o
Neither did I know you don't have to get templar archives for dark shrine. I gotta start going something other than robo bay.
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Hahahaha Day[9] is so funny
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ret's roach army destroys infernal's archon attack
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I hope someone from Blizzard is tuning in to see this.
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I died a little inside seeing the archon just die to roaches
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On March 14 2010 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:43 s.a.y wrote:On March 14 2010 05:32 JWD wrote:
immortals, wowowow
also Day[9] is such a pro at casting and running his stream, all that Day[9].tv experience is really showing! agree on this. The only thing missing from Day[9] is higher bandwidth to broadcast a higher quality stream. It'd be absolute perfection at that point.
+ more obs tool using.
day[9] is the best...
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Nooooo - Come back!  When can we see more from Day9? more today?
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where is your sc2beta friday podcastp with tristan?
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Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm?
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i thought they usually play all the games in liquibition, regardless of outcome
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On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm?
No, and judging by this:
Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?
A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong.
They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm
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Scrap Station game results are wrong
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Great show, thanks for setting this up guys.
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On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm?
They aren't that bad in PvP if you can actually get to that tech ... They probably could have been useful against the mutas in the fifth game .
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Archons are good in PvT, they need 3 emps to have no shields :p
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On March 14 2010 05:58 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm? No, and judging by this: Show nested quote +Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?
A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong. They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm
I really hate this approach.
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On March 14 2010 05:58 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm? No, and judging by this: Show nested quote +Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?
A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong. They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm
Yep, that's sad..
In BW there were times when you actually wanted to make archons instantly to make some sort of timing attack, for example.
Now they are just..There..
Hate that sort of view from Blizzard
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Great games! Ret defense in game 5 was beautiful. Queen microooo xD
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On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.
Ret won 4:2
You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
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On March 14 2010 06:02 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:58 Kaniol wrote:On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm? No, and judging by this: Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?
A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong. They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm Yep, that's sad.. In BW there were times when you actually wanted to make archons instantly to make some sort of timing attack, for example. Now they are just..There.. Hate that sort of view from Blizzard
Agreed. They can at least give them some sort of specialized role, maybe as dark archons with limited and specialized spell casting abilities.
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great games great commentary! awesome kickoff of Liquibition in sc2
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Great games. Great commentary. Wouldn't mind paying a small amount to see something like this every week 
Maybe he was too busy talking and observing but otherwise a little more use of the obs tools would be super too. Like what's in production can give a very quick glance of the situation.
Dunno why there's only 6 pages when SC2 is still so fresh I'd expect a lot more people to tune in the give theirs thoughts about it. But otherwise a super 1st SC2 Liquibition!
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Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.
Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time
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On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
This is a Live Report thread. That implies there will be spoilers of the games played. In the future dont read LR threads if you dont want to be spoiled.
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I'm hoping to see a terran player in the next series. Maybe Morrow? Btw now that the first match has been played on the European server between two Europeans, how are you planning on letting non-Europeans challenge the winner? Lending the challenger a EU account?
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On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
LR thread dude.
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I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?
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Day9 always uploads his daily casts to the ondemand section of his livestream thing so he will probably do the same with this match
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On March 14 2010 06:27 Nilaus wrote:
I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?
Det kommer helt sikkert nok om et par dage
Will be there in a couple of days I'm sure
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On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
sorry, but this is a game report topic, you have to expect results.
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On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that. Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time
Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.
Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.
I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.
I think they will fix archons in SC2.
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There's nothing to fix. They are something of a leftover after you're done storming. They don't need to be viable to morph right off the bat, as long as templars are viable archons will be made.
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On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that. Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics. Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years. I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day. I think they will fix archons in SC2.
They are good vs carriers actually
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On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that. Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics. Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years. I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day. I think they will fix archons in SC2.
Scout has a place, counter vs carrier in PvP
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Protoss got stomped it seems are these games even worth the watch?
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United States12607 Posts
Thanks day[9], ret, and infernal!
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I was going to post this in another thread, but the thread vanished, so; (about the power of queen, roaches and muta)
If you decrease the amount of larva spawned by the queen, then you solve the roach and muta issue. I watched the Liquibet match today between Ret and Infernal; Infernal was getting stomped unless ret into a predictable roach build.
Thing was, it's so easy for zergs to suddenly change unit composition, that when ret frightened Infernal with a few roaches and Infernal produced many immortals, then Ret was able to produce a Spire and produce a massive amount of mutalisks in just a few minutes.
Now, Infernal could have built sentries to counter mutalisk, but mutalisk are far more agile than sentries and could simply avoid encountering them while harrassing the workers here and there.
I think building Pheonixes would be a great answer. I'm not sure if they build fast enough. Pheonixes are an underestimated unit that most players never seem to remember. Pheonixes can be powerful and are far superior to mutalisk 1 on 1, however, mutalisk can produce faster due to the zerg's large amount of larva. However, protoss do have chrono boost; they could make better use of it.
Over-all, I think the number of larva spawned could be toned down, and that would make all the difference. IT would put more pressure on the zerg economy and army.
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The problem with getting enough pheonixes as a counter to mutalisks, is that lets say you do get enough of them and wipe them out, all they have to do is switch to hyrdalisks.
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can we stay on topic?
anyone know for sure if the vod + commentary + maybe replays are gonna be posted?
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most likely sunday night, or whenever day does his next cast. atleast, i hope.
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I just noticed that Zerg won in a BoX series AGAIN
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Sean "Day9" Plott has recently been very sick and might be taking abit of recovery time before the onDemands are up.
Be patient and a quick recovery for Sean.
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how to see the vods ?
Sean did not record them :\
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On March 14 2010 15:08 Inspyr wrote:
Sean "Day9" Plott has recently been very sick and might be taking abit of recovery time before the onDemands are up.
Be patient and a quick recovery for Sean.
day9 caught a sickness because his body overloaded coz it couldn't handle how incredibly epic of an event the first sc2 liquibition was.
I hope he did in fact record them and wish a speedy recovery (not just because I want the vods of course....)
man I wish I noticed the times posted were CET so I wouldn't have even missed the liquibition >.< here I was happily waiting till 8pm pacific time...
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On March 14 2010 19:17 VoodooDog wrote:
how to see the vods ?
Sean did not record them :\
Even is he didn't record them, he still has access to the Replays and would probly do a commentary from that as its easier to express points and leviate the match from a replay rather than realtime.
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Any chance for a release of the replays? Missed the games
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I was really impressed with Ret's usage of the queen and his management of the economy in early and middle game while being almost completely safe . Infernal had some nice builds , but his unit mixture was kinda bad in the games he lost against ret's most of the time roach heavy army .
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Just remembered I should probably post this here as well, not just on the front page:
Replays
Spoiler free and ready to go
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Thanks that's very nice! 
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Observers would have helped infernal a LOT. they are so much easier to get in SC2 and should be used!
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Steppes War replay breaks my SC2 Beta. Something about Tmp File not available or something.
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Are there any videos for the tournament? I wasn't able to catch it and I can't watch replays
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Does anyone know when the VOD will be available on youtube/whatever?
Thanks
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My guess would be we're looking at a few days for VODs to be released if at all. There has been no confirmation from TL or Day9 (sick, bless his heart) that VODs will be released for this.
If anyone knows more then we're all ears but that's what I could garner.
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That would be a shame.
Hopefully the video's will eventually be released sometime soon.
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i like the recognition i get for my skill in launching striderdoom
+ Show Spoiler +don't kill yourself trying to fix it and take care of yourself
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i had to stop watching after game 2, gonna watch the rest now :D:D:D
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Thx you're awesome. I wish you a fast recovery from sickness.
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EDIT: Oops, Day already linked these.
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Love the build infernal does in game 4 on scrapyard.
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How was Day[9] able to obs this when he's a US beta player while ret and infernal are EU?
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Someone gave him access to his EU account?
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EPT![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/riptide/sc2b/sc2b_LiquibitionSCII_inferna.jpg)
