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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 13 2010 10:50 GMT
#61
The SC2 apm counter doesn't count all clicks. I've heard that 100 apm in SC2 is like 200-300 apm in BW.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
March 13 2010 11:01 GMT
#62
On March 13 2010 19:50 Dionyseus wrote:
The SC2 apm counter doesn't count all clicks. I've heard that 100 apm in SC2 is like 200-300 apm in BW.



That's not quite true. The APM counter goes off game time, instead of real time. Thus playing on Faster causes the game to believe that you are slightly slower then you actually are. IIRC it's like 30% slower? So 100 APM is actually 130.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
fadeless
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
38 Posts
March 13 2010 11:07 GMT
#63
On March 13 2010 19:42 iCCup.deL wrote:
Check in WC3 would be 200-300 APM easily.

And I think SC2 will be more demanding, but atm it isn't. Also WC3 players should have higher APM in SC2 atm just because it's more similar mechanically with WC3 in the areas that really give you 'apm' or 'speed'.

Anyway I don't mind who wins I like both but I'd like to see Check become a force in SC2!


iirc Check is one of the 400 apm in wc3-.-
I remember he is spamming 1 and 9 ( yes 1 and 9 ) at the start of the game when playing human
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 11:16:10
March 13 2010 11:15 GMT
#64
nah he is one of the lower APM wc3 players... mostly like 150-200 (replays of check wc3 check for yourself)
kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
March 13 2010 11:18 GMT
#65
Yeah i think your thinking of Rainbow ( one of my favourite humans ever omg!) 450 apm plus every game. think he had a 50 minute game of 500 apm.
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
fadeless
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
38 Posts
March 13 2010 11:21 GMT
#66
@@ yaya its rainbow lol
Check seems play NE
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
March 13 2010 11:24 GMT
#67
There are 2 players I know of from Wc3, FoCuS and bly (I think it was bly) that max out at 800 apm, and have an average of about 450.

I think the thing that a lot of people don't really understand is, in Wc3, a lot of the higher APM players, issue the same move or rally point cmd many times in order for it to register. Which brings up their APM.

Is it effective? Hard to say, I know some people like space who have 130 APM and can only hotkey 1-4 and are effective. Then you get players like bly (please correct me if I am wrong about it being bly) that have that insane 'gosu' APM, and never made it past semi-pro considering they aren't nearly as effective with their actions for their super high APM to mean anything.

Back on topic though, it would be interesting to know if the Blizzard APM tracking system is 100% accurate, or if it does have a margin of error due to the speed of the replay, etc.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 11:35:30
March 13 2010 11:25 GMT
#68
check won yeah!

Leon has like 400-450 apm every game too.

btw wc3l upper bracket final WMF vs MYM as for wc3 today, gonna be the first match i might watch since ages
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51418 Posts
March 13 2010 11:42 GMT
#69
Here is a replay pack I made consisting of most games played from the Round of 256 to the Round of 8.

Around 10mb in size.

Download Here
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Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
March 13 2010 11:56 GMT
#70
On March 13 2010 20:24 fams wrote:
There are 2 players I know of from Wc3, FoCuS and bly (I think it was bly) that max out at 800 apm, and have an average of about 450.

I think the thing that a lot of people don't really understand is, in Wc3, a lot of the higher APM players, issue the same move or rally point cmd many times in order for it to register. Which brings up their APM.

Is it effective? Hard to say, I know some people like space who have 130 APM and can only hotkey 1-4 and are effective. Then you get players like bly (please correct me if I am wrong about it being bly) that have that insane 'gosu' APM, and never made it past semi-pro considering they aren't nearly as effective with their actions for their super high APM to mean anything.

Back on topic though, it would be interesting to know if the Blizzard APM tracking system is 100% accurate, or if it does have a margin of error due to the speed of the replay, etc.


I think you're mistaken with Bly but FoCuS is one of the few HUGE apm players in War3 with his average being in the mid 400s.

Space has low apm due to his terminal muscular distrophy condition and he does lose some games due to not being able to bind his army properly. He even said in an interview that he frequently plays games without binding at all (which is utterly insane to comprehend).

You don't need as high APM to in war3 as you do in SC1 and that's mostly to do with the simpler macro, but the micro is incredibly intense.
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
March 13 2010 12:38 GMT
#71
GTR, any idea why i dont see any big names on that list? (check/painkiller, moon, artosis, who, garimtoss, freedom, silver, legend, sen, showtime.. ) They didnt participiate?
I dont want to be totally out :3
SilkZ
Profile Joined March 2010
France1 Post
March 13 2010 15:21 GMT
#72
Do you know when the replays of the last rounds will be available ?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 13 2010 18:11 GMT
#73
On March 13 2010 21:38 suxN wrote:
GTR, any idea why i dont see any big names on that list? (check/painkiller, moon, artosis, who, garimtoss, freedom, silver, legend, sen, showtime.. ) They didnt participiate?


Check participated.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
March 13 2010 18:18 GMT
#74
any idea on when VODs will be available?
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
March 13 2010 22:39 GMT
#75
GTR, any chance to get replays from the finals?
I dont want to be totally out :3
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51418 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-14 10:16:53
March 14 2010 10:14 GMT
#76
VOD's are out, watch here;
http://playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1924962

Looks like they require GOM to watch.

P.S I think Cezanne might be (Z)ToSky.
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2659 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 22:38:30
March 14 2010 19:08 GMT
#77
So it seem Check playing Protoss beat ZenioWeRRa playing Terran 2-0.

I can't watch these vids are all =/.
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 14 2010 19:24 GMT
#78
On March 14 2010 19:14 GTR wrote:
VOD's are out, watch here;
http://playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1924962

Looks like they require GOM to watch.

P.S I think Cezanne might be (Z)ToSky.


Any idea if they are going to release the replays for the last rounds? They did a great job of releasing all the replays except for the final games.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
March 14 2010 19:55 GMT
#79
Has watching the reps from this tournament done much to change people's opinions of the standard of play over on the asian server?
zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
March 14 2010 20:24 GMT
#80
thx for links. in case you dont know how to watch them: u need to use internet explorer and click the "activex" button after youve clicked the vod you wanna see. then dl the program and then refresh page and load the activex control when prompted.
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