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crate
United States2474 Posts
(They used to do 60 explosive, so they got half damage against light armor, meaning marines could take a tank shot. Now they do straight 60 damage, which means they one shot a lot of things they used to not, as well as do double the damage they used to vs zealot hp) It was actually 70 explosive before ... but I think the splash radius is bigger in SC2 anyway. Even if it's not, units clump up more so the same splash radius leads to a lot more damage. They still get +5 damage per upgrade too. | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
At least Thors were more unique when they needed to be built by SCVs or had that interesting slow turning mechanic, requiring extra micro to counter them with faster units. Now they are just a wannabe goliath, only with that whole "Boss" unit feel to it. agree with this, was way more interesting when it was built by a scv and had slow turning. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
hellion is fine and has a very necessary role of harass/ling killer. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
Just make buildtime long enough so youll get rolled if youd invest to too many at the same time. | ||
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CheeC[h]
United States137 Posts
i really like hellions, i dont think this unit gets enough credit. its + dmg vs light is stupid, my only complaint is its attack animation and how when you get more than 5, they get stuck on each other and 2 of them end up not attacking half the time. i like that my factory doesn't lose purpose late game tvz and i can produce thors rather than losing an scv to build thors. | ||
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OgerAffe
Germany48 Posts
 The Thor is atm (with archon) one of the most useless units in the game. You cant use the ability on COlossi cuz the range is not long enough, hes fine against ultras/roaches, but marauder do the job aswell, hes not that great against mutas (well not that bad either but come on :/) in TvT he sucks balls, cuz marauder and tanks crush them easy. Against P hes COMPLETELY useless. I hope blizzard buff Thor or change him in any way, its just boring how it is. some ideas would be: a) smaller the size of thor, he clumbs too often and cant fight well with his megasize (imo hes too big for Starcraft its disgusting) b) give him new ability or increase the range at least to 8~ so he can possible counter colossi at least c) more attack speed maybe there are many possibilites just give the Trashmech a fucking role in the game thx! | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
I know Thors don't have a linear place in early or mid game build orders but they definitely have their niche, especially with Strike Cannons which stun and proceed to kill whatever they target. This ability will 1-shot an Immortal or Colossus, and with a couple Thors you can attack a Command Center and kill it while it's stunned before the enemy can lift it off. Thors have two places they're very useful: defending small harass and air attacks in your bases, and attacking valuable targets away from your enemy's main force. Isn't it great that a medivac can carry Thors? If you set up siege tanks on someone's cliff, the main danger you face is a counter-drop to kill the tanks or a close range warp-in, or a small anti-armor air attack. If you place a Thor on the cliff as well, it can murder defenders as they arrive and protect the tanks from small numbers of dropped units or air attacks. Extremely specialized and vulnerable to large armies of tier 1 units, but highly powerful when properly applied, just like many other units in the game. | ||
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Deviation
United States134 Posts
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Esli
United States36 Posts
On March 16 2010 07:49 Gedrah wrote: Don't you think it's a bit early in your tl life to be starting polls saying things need to be changed and removed? You give no reasons why the Hellion doesn't fit in with the Terran army or why it's a problem. Your major argument against the Thor is that you think it's ugly, and you claim that M&M is better at countering air but that makes me think you've never tried to fight off well-microed banshees using M&M. If he brings a Viking as well to shoot at your Medivacs what you gonna do brother? Lose your whole ground army and your medivacs or what? I know Thors don't have a linear place in early or mid game build orders but they definitely have their niche, especially with Strike Cannons which stun and proceed to kill whatever they target. This ability will 1-shot an Immortal or Colossus, and with a couple Thors you can attack a Command Center and kill it while it's stunned before the enemy can lift it off. Thors have two places they're very useful: defending small harass and air attacks in your bases, and attacking valuable targets away from your enemy's main force. Isn't it great that a medivac can carry Thors? If you set up siege tanks on someone's cliff, the main danger you face is a counter-drop to kill the tanks or a close range warp-in, or a small anti-armor air attack. If you place a Thor on the cliff as well, it can murder defenders as they arrive and protect the tanks from small numbers of dropped units or air attacks. Extremely specialized and vulnerable to large armies of tier 1 units, but highly powerful when properly applied, just like many other units in the game. I didn't know that new members were discouraged from making polls about things, I apologize. If you refer to my first post, you should see why I do not think the Hellion fit in with the rest of the Terran army. [Esli]a flame-shooting dune buggy Unless you think a flame-shooting dune buggy sounds like it fits in with the Terran ground forces, than I think that was a pretty valid objection to the Hellion's model. My major complaint with the Thor was that they were too slow and they didn't accomplish their role well enough. They are simply too easy to focus fire on because of their size so if one was to bring in a large pack of mutas, you could probably focus fire the thor down before it did any serious damage. Of course the solution to this would be to keep the thor with the rest of your army, but shouldn't the thor be able to fend for itself relatively well? In SC, a small pack of Goliaths were very effective against air, whereas the thor can't really defend itself against incoming air forces. I think if Blizzard removed the thor and gave terrans a stronger anti-air mech, the heavy metal build would once again become viable in SC2. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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Gedrah
465 Posts
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Thug[ro]
Romania340 Posts
Thor is okay, maybe a little smaller and plz change that accent german + heavy metal combo = fail | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
it looks like a retarded go-kart with helium cans stuck onto it | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
Thors are a strange beast... I really WANT to like them, but I just can't justify using them (slow, expensive, supply). That said, with bnet 2.0 and all, blizzard can observe their usage and statistics. If enough people integrate them (successfully) into builds, then right on I guess. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
it was a damn hoverbike, how much cooler can you get? only a cooler looking hoverbike would suffice. | ||
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Red7z7
United States74 Posts
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